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A few notes and reaction to the Josh Hamilton signing …

Post by Ryan Divish on Dec. 14, 2012 at 12:51 pm with 24 Comments »
December 14, 2012 1:19 pm

One of the debates about Josh Hamilton signing with the Angels was whether or not the Mariners were truly making a competitive offer to the all-star outfielder.

According to sources, they were in all the way. The Mariners offered Hamilton a four-year, $100 million deal with vesting options for a fifth and sixth year. Those options were easily attainable, probably along the lines of 400 to 450 plate appearances, which Hamilton could have gotten in playing about 100 games.

So if the options were so easily attainable, why not just offer Hamilton the fifth year? Well, it’s protection in case he got hurt or was out of baseball. But basically, the Mariners had 150 million on the table.

Basically, it boils down to the Angels coming in and offering the fifth year guaranteed. And also Hamilton not really wanting to play in Seattle.

There’s another factor to consider. Hamilton has always been comfortable being the secondary focus. In countless interviews, and even in the few times I talked to him, he referred to the Rangers as “Michael Young’s team.”

Going to a situation like Seattle, where he would be the sole focus, the “man,” isn’t something he desires or relishes. He just wants to play baseball and live his life. Going to Los Angeles and playing with Mike Trout and Albert Pujols does that.

And let’s be frank, all things being equal, Hamilton goes to LA over Seattle because they can win right now.

Let’s get to some reaction …

TNT columnist John McGrath – a proponent of signing Hamilton – offered his thoughts ..

This is what I wrote: “Because of concerns about the durability of a body once ravaged by drug abuse, Hamilton, 31, figures to command no more than a three-year deal worth, say, $20 million a season.”

Hamilton signed Thursday for a reported $125 million over five seasons, so my projection was, ahem, just a bit outside. I assumed he could be had for $60 million; the Angels gave him more than twice that.

Details, details.

In any case, Hamilton would have been right for the Mariners at $20 million annually over three seasons, and he’s right for the Angels – at least in the short term – at $25 million annually over five seasons.

But he wasn’t right for the Mariners at those numbers. Five seasons, just as he’s entering the decline phase of a typical baseball player’s career? No deal.

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  1. Have to agree with McGrath, at least until our ownership starts acting like the major market team this actually is.

  2. This is NOT a major market. The major markets (for baseball) are NY, LA, and Boston. And the amount of money and TV revenue those teams are spending and receiving proves it.

  3. You don’t get paid $125,000,000 for five years to be just one of the guys. You get paid that to be “THE MAN”.

  4. Well, Pujols got 190 million … so I guess he’s the man. And Trout might be the best player on the team.

  5. grandsalami says:

    Actually, Pujols got $250 million….Ryan, how do we reconcile the Mariners’ supposed offer for Josh Hamilton with Jack Zduriencik’s comments (before Hamilton signed with LA) that the Mariners weren’t going to offer long term deals at this point. He said “eventually, we will, but not now.”

  6. Jack made that comment when the reports were than Hamilton wanted a 7-year, $175 million contract.

  7. The Mariners are run to make money for the owners, not the players.

    They manage to tease us now and again with a promising season, enough so to keep the stands full enough to generate positive net income. So $15M was spent to make 2013 Safeco a more fun place to be. (that’s so Seattle). Winning baseball for one or two seasons is secondary.

    The real value is the appreciated sale price when an owner or owners want to sell their shares.

    For now, this is a good minor league club at major league prices and a decent place for young players to earn their chops before selling their talent in higher paying markets.

  8. The Mariners are run to make money for the owners, not the players.

    They manage to tease us now and again with a promising season/rookies, enough so to keep the stands full enough to generate positive net income. So $15M was spent to make 2013 Safeco a more fun place to be. (that’s so Seattle). Winning baseball for one or two seasons is secondary.

    The real value is the appreciated sale price when an owner or owners want to sell their shares.

    For now, this is a good minor league club at major league prices and a decent place for young players to earn their chops before selling their talent in higher paying markets.

  9. grandsalami says:

    Actually, Jack made that comment Monday night on this week’s Hot Stove show, just a couple of days before Hamilton signed with the Angels.

  10. MrCarleone says:

    $100 mil. to hit a ball with a stick. Your Sports Clowns are a riot!

  11. BigSwingingRichard says:

    If you are Josh Hamilton where would you rather play, Southern California or Western Washington?

    If you are Josh Hamilton what team would you rather play for, a contender that includes Puljols or a perpetual basement dweller who still has Justin Smoak, (a man who has yet to hit his weight) at first base?

    Would you rather play for a team owned by an aggressive Arte Moreno or some old guy in Japan who may or may not even know he owns a major league baseball team?

    In spite of this attempt at public relations, Seattle had and has no chance to sign a legitimate big money free agent.

  12. I’m not quite sure what you are asking Grand Salami

  13. SandlotSam says:

    If the M’s make a solid, respectable upgrade to their offense then I’ll be happy with this off-season. That’s all I wanted going in. Because even a moderate upgrade is going to look a whole lot sweeter if it’s complimented by their young players stepping up their progress this season like I think they’re going to. The Mariners have some serious young talent.

    That is interesting hearing about how hard the M’s went after Hamilton. Hearing that does give me a little more faith that they’re going to get something done.

  14. crytalball says:

    HOW MUCH MONEY IS ENOUGH,IF YOU CAN ANSWER THIS QUESTION BOY’S AND GIRL’S YOU CAN WIN AT BEING THE BAT BOY, OR GIRL, FOR THE ANGELS BALL CLUB, YES YOU COULD BE THE ONE CARRING A 25 MILLION DOLLAR BAT AROUND NOW WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING TO TELL ALL YOUR FRIENDS, I THINK THE NEXT TIME I GO TO A BALL GAME I’M GONNA BRING A BIG WADD OF ONE DOLLAR BILLS CRUMPLE THEM UP AND THROW THEM AT HAMILTON AND HIS ANGELS.

  15. Palerydr says:

    Try monopoly money crytalball(what you couldn’t buy an s?)I’m sure it’s all you can afford anyway…

    I’d like the M’s to try and make a deal for Jason Kubel he can play both corner OF spots, not well so you pull him for a defensive replacement late in games. He also can play some 1b and DH. the guy has a career .800 ops and has avg over 20 homers and 90 rbi in 3 of the last 4 seasons. He’s 30 years old and by all accounts a positive guy in the clubhouse. Not a big splash but a professional hitter who produces rbi.

  16. VNHLNFAN says:

    Nothing will change until ownership is changed and the two meatheads in front office are gone. No name bobbleheads will continue to flourish and Ichiro will have a place to come back and retire. What a disgrace to the fans of Seattle.

  17. One great pitcher and a trouble outfielder doesn’t put a ring on the finger ask all the M’s players who played from 95 to 2001 they were talented teams. the ownership allow them all to walk

  18. bbnate420 says:

    He was never coming here. Get over it. “God”, aka 25 million more guaranteed and a better team, told him to go to LA.

    I’d rather they not invest 25 mil a year in a player like him unless they’re going to up the rest of the budget. Too much to invest in an oft-injured player that wilts under pressure. Maybe they can get Swisher and Bourn for around the 25 they were going to invest in him. Hopefully, Texas doesn’t jump in and up the market for Swisher.

  19. I’m hoping Steve Balmer purchases this team. When the “M” were in Japan the owner didn’t even show up for the games between the “A” and “M”. I agree that our front office has to go. But I also agree that paying 25 per for 1 playeer at this point is a bad deal. we need 2 power bats 1 to protect the other in the line up this would also give Felix reason to sign an extension. there is more going on here then scoring more runs. I’d give up alot of defence to have runs for a change.

  20. WTraveler says:

    The rational sounds oh so familiar to the NOT-signing of Fielder last year and the luke warm interest in Pujols the year before. Too much money, too long a contract, didn’t want to come to Seattle.

    I agree, once these idiot front office guys understand that they HAVE to overpay to get a couple power bats to come to Seattle–we will continue to be mired in mediocrity

  21. Palerydr says:

    All the people who scream for big money overpaid FA are the first ones to scream “what were you thinking!” when the aforementioned big money FA doesn’t perform up to their expectations.

  22. SandlotSam says:

    An article by Jean-Jacques Taylor on Hamilton from Oct 7 2012 titled “Josh Hamilton’s Act Has Grown Old”:
    http://espn.go.com/dallas/mlb/story/_/id/8466953/texas-rangers-josh-hamilton-poster-boy-collapse

  23. bbnate420 says:

    WTraveler, it’s rationale, not “rational.” And Pujols signed last off-season. Just like Fielder. And the rationale isn’t the same. Fielder was 27 at the time, not 31 like Hamilton. He was worth a long term commitment. I doubt Fielder would’ve come here unless they threw 30 mil a year at him. Good hitters don’t generally want to come to crappy teams with horrible hitting ballparks. Shocking, I know. Maybe they can nab a premier player next off-season if they show signs of life this year and moving the fences in makes a significant difference. Also, remember that they still had Ichiro’s giant contract weighing them down. At least with their shrunken budget.

    I’d rather they save the money for next off-season, when there is supposed to be a lot more talent out there then to overspend on a bum. Other than signing a Swisher for like 5 years, 80 million, I don’t see any other hitters out there I’d spend a lot of money on. Maybe Bourn if they’re going to part with Guti after 2013.

  24. bbnate420 says:

    Yes, Virginia!

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