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ELECTION: Liberal media giving Obama a pass

Letter by Robert Bennett, Steilacoom on Sep. 21, 2012 at 1:44 pm with 193 Comments »
September 21, 2012 1:47 pm

Consider this scenario: John McCain, a Republican, was elected president in 2008. After nearly four years he presided over a sluggish economy, added $6 trillion in new debt, the national debt is now $16.4 trillion and growing, spending is out of control, the number of food stamp recipients has doubled to more than 43 million people, our economy is heading for a fiscal cliff, job growth in anemic at best, unemployment is more than 8 percent and our foreign policy is in shambles.

Sound familiar?

If this were the case for McCain, the mainstream media would tear him to shreds on a daily basis. But McCain is not the president, Barack Obama is. The mainstream media tend to ignore these stories and give Obama a free pass.

Why is that? The answer is simple: The mainstream media are biased to the liberal left. You have ABC, NBC, CBS, NPR, PBS and CNN spinning their news away from these important stories. The leader of this liberal left bias is MSNBC.

During this important election year, news reporting is strategically important. However, MSNBC has turned into a propaganda network for the liberals. While the Middle East is burning and our economy is failing, MSNBC spends its time bashing Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan. Turn on any of their news shows at any time and they are painting Romney as incompetent and spineless. It is relentless and to the point of insanity.

News should be news, not a political sounding board.

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  1. averageJose says:

    They never even vetted Barry for goodness sake!

  2. sumyungboi says:

    Robert: “Liberal media giving Obama a pass”

    Ya think???

  3. You say nothing about the other side, FOX news, your letter is once sided just like your mentioned news organizations.

  4. The non-conservative media knows that Republican policies caused the economy to crash and the Republicans in Congress (especially the Senate) have blocked every Democratic sponsored attempted to aid recovery.

    aJo- Mr. Obama was vetted far more that Romney’s taxes have been.

  5. sumyungboi says:

    aJ, most people knew more about Sarah Palin within 48 hours of McCain’s announcement than they still do about Obama.

  6. natomony says:

    Folks, you can’t make this up. Did you hear that Obama had a meeting with a pirate instead of the leader of Israel.

    Only Fox news reported this shocking information. Hopefully when Romney is elected a government commission can be set up to make news organizations fair and balanced.

  7. When you find that you can’t attack someone based on reality, make something up and attack them for that.

  8. LeePHilI says:

    “natomony says:
    Sep. 21, 2012 at 2:09 pm Folks, you can’t make this up. Did you hear that Obama had a meeting with a pirate instead of the leader of Israel.
    Only Fox news reported this shocking information.”

    Uh…that is because FOX knew it was a picture from three years ago, which had nothing to do with meeting with any leader of any country. They were caught red handed and apologized by twitter where not so many people would see their lie.

    It’s amazing how many people fall for the lies about Obama.

  9. LeePHilI says:

    “sumyungboi says:
    Sep. 21, 2012 at 2:04 pm aJ, most people knew more about Sarah Palin within 48 hours of McCain’s announcement than they still do about Obama.”

    When you have little to bring to the table, it takes minimal time to “vet” you. What is there to know about Palin?

  10. LeePHilI says:

    Robert…and you with your weekly BashObamaArama….such a non-partisan source……LOL

  11. chris3dog says:

    And someone’s been eating my porridge!

  12. LeePHilI says:

    NEW YORK (AP) — Arrrrgh: Fox News Channel used a joke picture of President Barack Obama sitting with a man in full buccaneer regalia to suggest Thursday that the president was more interested in meeting with a pirate than in conducting foreign policy.

    The network later tweeted a clarification to the blooper, made three times on the “Fox & Friends” morning show.

    The picture depicted Obama sitting in the Oval Office with a man in a colorful pirate outfit, complete with a red hat, eye patch and hook for a right arm. It was taken as a punch line for a joke Obama delivered to the White House Correspondents Association dinner in 2009 about the administration talking to enemies as well as friends.

    The picture resurfaced Wednesday when the Obama campaign tweeted it for International Talk Like a Pirate Day. The tweet linked to the picture with the message: “Arrr You In?”

    Over an on-screen graphic that said “Arrrgh You Kidding?”, Fox ran the picture Thursday morning with host Brian Kilmeade saying, “The White House doesn’t have the time to meet with the prime minister of Israel, but this pirate got a sit-down in the Oval Office yesterday.”

    Later, with “yo-ho-ho” music in the background, Fox showed the picture as its “Shot of the Morning,” with host Steve Doocy saying, “Here’s a quick look at what President Obama is up to, making sure he didn’t forget to mark International Talk Like a Pirate Day.”

    And FOX wonders why we call them “Faux News”

  13. Its amazing how many people ignore his failures.

  14. When did Republicans become such whiners? Seems like they just can’t take what they like to dish out to others….lol

  15. natomony says:

    I humbly apologize for my stupidity. Must have been the gubbement education I received. You know, nothing but communist indoctrination. My parents also allowed me to watch sesame street as well while drinking copious amounts of fluoridated water.

  16. LeePHilI says:

    It is amazing how many people create “his failures”.

    The most recent is “redistribution”. Now, people with at least a fifth grade education know that all taxes are redistributed. If they weren’t, there are at least 8 states in the USofA that wouldn’t survive as they depend heavily on money from other states, like Washington. Those 8 states all vote Republican.

    In the State of Washington, the taxes collected on the west side of the Cascades, are redistibuted in Eastern Washington so that they can have schools in rural towns that couldn’t begin to afford to pay for the cost of their schools.

    When I see a President that took over an economy that was going in debt at a rate of 2 to 1 and his policies slowed that debt traction to a 1/2 to 1 ratio, along with saving one of the largest industries in the country and still finding time to work with the military in capturing the most wanted criminal of the past 10 years or so….

    well….

    I call that success, not failure. But I rely on facts, not fiction.

  17. sumyungboi says:

    nato, I know you’re just speaking in jest, and the news organizations really don’t need to be fair and balanced. They never have been. Up until the middle part of the twentieth century, most large cities had two or more newspapers which made no bones about their political leanings. Only when network television news came into fruition did the news divisions pretend to be un-biased, since as a network, they served the entire nation. What irks many people is that the media pretends to be un-biased while being extremely so. Ma and Pa six pack sit in their living room thinking that they’re getting the straight up hard news of the day, when in fact what they’re getting is spoon fed liberalism on almost every channel. People who watch the opinion shows on Fox _know_ that they’re getting conservative opinion. Many who watch the “hard news” on the networks don’t know that they’re getting liberal / progressive slant. And this does not necessarily have to be in the story itself, the omission of a story, its placement, (showing relevance) or simply a facial expression of disgust or approval slants the news, big time.

    One thing to remember is that j-school isn’t all that attractive to people who want to go out there and kick bu!! in the business world. Who it does attract are people who want to “make a difference”, who want to help change the world. Activists. And activists who want to change the world by making a difference are almost always left leaning. The reason that most aren’t up front about their political leanings is just that, they’re _all_ like that, so when they socialize, they tend to do so surrounded by like-minded people

  18. LeePHilI says:

    natomy….FOX takes advantage of people who are looking for an opportunity to whine about President Obama. Rational thought will avoid being taken advantage of, but for those who so desire to see the President guilty of the childish complains such as “talking to a pirate as opposed to the Isreali whatever”….FOX is more than willing to dupe you.

    Watching Sesame Street would probably be an improvement. At least they don’t try to make you believe that the 6 foot yellow talking bird is real.

  19. Does Larry have a new aliass?

    Uh, Larry, Fox and Friends is no more of a news show than The Today Show, Good Morning America, CBS This Morning, etc. Coffee and doughnuts stuff really. Apparently they and Drudge were duped – it happens.

    Take this for example:

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidthier/2012/07/18/how-this-guy-lied-his-way-into-msnbc-abc-news-the-new-york-times-and-more/

    HTH.

  20. LeePHilI says:

    The difference between FOX and MSNBC?

    MSNBC KNOWS that there is not a shred of truth in the idea of the President ignoring a leader of a foreign country in lieu of talking to a guy in a pirate outfit

  21. Scottc51 says:

    Almost any idiot could prop the economy up, as long as they are taking on debt faster than a trillion dollars a year.
    We haven’t had to deal with the actual numbers and live within our means, so Obama gets a pass. The media is complicit.

  22. LeePHilI says:

    The difference between Fox and Friends and the Today Show?

    The Today Show avoids silly lies about President Obama because they KNOW that they aren’t true.

    Just because a program is soft news doesn’t mean they have to make up lies.

    I recall the day after Sarah Palin and Oprah both said (on the same program, same stage, same time) that there was nothing true about Oprah allegedly snubbing Palin prior to the election. The next day, Fox and Friends said they couldn’t understand why Palin would help Oprah with her ratings by being on her show, when Oprah had snubbed her during the 2008 election cycle.

    Yeah….I forgot…they’re not hard news, so they can make up anything they want. The funniest part was the “ratings” issue…..like Oprah needs Palin…..LOL

  23. Her OWN network could use a boost. Is it still around? Like everything else BHO touched, Oprah’s support of the failed One drove the masses away.

  24. SandHills says:

    Mr. Bennett, you seem to be giving the biggest pass of all (to Fox News) in regards to your final/main point:
    “News should be news, not a political sounding board”

    I swear, TNT must enjoy throwing gas on fires…knowing how firmly entrenched most readers are on either side of the political divide.

    The main outcome of the 2012 Presidential Election is that nothing will significantly change. Republicans will continue to not compromise with Obama….or does anyone truly think the Democrats would be anymore accommodating with Romney?

  25. “Uh, Larry, Fox and Friends is no more of a news show than…”

    Except that it’s carried by a network that calls itself Fox NEWS.

  26. sumyungboi says:

    That’s cool. And remember that “The Daily Show” is carried by a network that calls itself “The Comedy Channel”. :)

  27. bobcat1a says:

    SYB, the first thing to disappear when you go over to the dark side is a sense of humor.

  28. sumyunboi, kindly lay off hill jr. Injecting reality and humor in his laughable attempts to stalk is an absolute buzz killer for him.

    Have a heart.

  29. sumyungboi says:

    bobcat: “SYB, the first thing to disappear when you go over to the dark side is a sense of humor

    I know, right?

  30. yabetchya says:

    Clamat0, The Hills are alive with the sound of twaddle. They take that Daddy see, Sonny do, to the extreme.

  31. MyBandito says:

    Robert- It’s easy to think that Obama is getting a pass from the mainstream media when the media finds it so easy to find fault with Romney who thinks he can etch-a-sketch his way out of one blunder after another. Obama isn’t perfect but compared to Romney………there’s no contest.

    If you don’t like the mainstream news, do like many do, put your blinders on and tune in Fox or Limbaugh.

  32. bobcat1a says:

    SYB, the really funny thing is that conservative comedians aren’t TRYING to be funny…they just are. Have you ever watched Rush Limbaugh or Glenn Beck or Ann Colter or Michelle Malkin. Over the top hilarious.

  33. Whathappened says:

    John McCain as president. No 800 billion stimulus, but Texas, Louisiana, Minnesota, California would default on their state budgets. Rick Perry, Tim Pawlenty, Bobby Jindal would be fired for bankrupting their states. The 1 trillion medicare bill from 2003 would be left for whomever comes in after McCain. The cost of the Iraq and Afghan war would be left out of the budget 3 trillion dollars. The banks would not have any regulations at all. The stock market would collapse. Fox News would say a 1500 stock market would be fantastic. 40% unemployment rate would have Sarah Palin jumping for joy. We would of bombed IRAN and started a conflict with Russia and China. McCain just remembered those two countries are allies of IRAN. We would of built a nuclear sheild in Poland which Russia would of promptly bombed. Bin Laden would of had fantastic parties in Pakistan. Oh! by the way!
    I voted for Ron Paul in 2008.

  34. sumyungboi says:

    bobcat: “the really funny thing is that conservative comedians aren’t TRYING to be funny…they just are. Have you ever watched Rush Limbaugh or Glenn Beck or Ann Colter or Michelle Malkin”

    I know! That’s why they’re so successful, they’re entertaining and funny while at the same time reminding people that there’s lots of like minded people out there to network with. Nice to see you coming around, bobcat. :)

  35. sumyungboi says:

    whathappened: “John McCain as president .. blah, blah, blah ..”

    This is what happens when a species ignores natural selection in favor of feeling good.

  36. menopaws says:

    Again, Peggy Noonan, David Brooks, Bill Kristol, Joe Scarborough, George will—-all Republicans…..All CRITICAL of Romney…..When your own people climb out of your sandbox, get their message!!!!!

  37. sumyungboi says:

    You might have a point there, menopaws. Now, while I ponder that, make yourself useful and go carry Bill and Hillary’s luggage.

  38. took14theteam says:

    And..

    Ah, 4get it…..

  39. natomony says:

    Comedy central is a joke. Did you know that they had the gall to accuse Lynne Cheney of lying when she said there were no terrorist attacks on American soil during the Bush presidency?

    Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck should be role models for all American children for overcoming drug addictions without being thrown in jail, unlike minorities. They are my heroes.

  40. sumyungboi says:

    natomy: “Comedy central is a joke”

    I know, it’s great comedy! I like it when they play a bunch of South Park back to back.

    natomy: “Limbaugh and Glenn Beck should be role models for all American children for overcoming drug addictions without being thrown in jail ..”

    Yeah, I know, it’s really a motivation to strive for success, rather than whine about ones station in life. Cool that we agree about these things!

  41. the3rdpigshouse says:

    The communist news network (CNN), the national brotherhood of communists (NBC), and the communist broadcasting system (CBS)have all been in the toilet for anything anti-American for decades!! Welcome to the real world!!

  42. Whathappened says:

    Sumyungboi Sarah Palin was vetted? Even FOX news Roger Ailes is going to fire her for being stupid. I kept looking for her at the RNC convention. William Ayers? Some other guy got fed up and exposed that Timothy Mc. the bomber what friends of the Palins and was in their group to have Alaska cecede from the rest of the U.S.A. GO RON PAUL!

  43. Peggy Noonan? Didn’t she endorse 0bama in 2008?

    Oh yes she did. And according to Jay Carney, so did David Brooks:

    http://swampland.time.com/2007/12/18/brooks_endorses_obama/

    And though he didn’t announce it, Scarborough most likely voted for 0bama:

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2008/01/31/barack-gop-obamacans.html

    Bob Beckel, Alan Colmes, Ellis Henican, Mara Liasson, Juan Williams endorse McCain or Romney?

    When hills are right.

  44. http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/romneys-release-taxes_652850.html

    Well, leftists everywhere are feeling like total clowns. Played by Reid (who needs to release HIS taxes!).

    20+%, right at where the effective rate should be for his income bracket, well above anyone ‘middle class.

    ROMNEY 2012!!!!

  45. Sonofwashington says:

    I love how the media is viewed by conservatives through conservative colored glasses. If anyone in the media doesn’t express “conservative” stances in positive terms and “liberal” stances in negative terms, then they are “biased”!!

    I think the major networks try to look as balanced as they can, but being owned by large corporations their real bias is corporate and you will hear very little about corporate crime, wall street corruption, and consumer complaints about pollution or predatory practices.

    In MSNBC’s defense, they are a left-leaning opinion network that doesn’t pretend otherwise. FOX, on the other hand, as promulgated a branding of “Fair and Balanced” which is a falsity on its face. Therefore it has no credibility on anything it broadcasts, even when it may be true.

  46. MyBandito says:

    Fox has been out to get Obama from day one. It’s no wonder that after gorging on Fox, all of the other media sources appear to be giving him a pass.

    Fox is not only giving Romney a pass, they are totally in his camp, heII bent on getting rid of Obama. What could be more obvious than that?

    Robert- You’re pointing your finger in the wrong direction if your looking for media bias.

  47. Lynnwoodfats says:

    Divide and conquer.

    The establishment keeps us bickering amongst ourselves. Nothing will ever get better under these conditions.

  48. aislander says:

    Well, kawrider, that study may be correct, but Obama IS the president, so there is more to criticize, especially given the Bamster’s dreadful performance in office.

    The criticisms of Romney seem to be mostly fabricated and exaggerated (echoing Dem talking points), while those of Obama are very well deserved.

    He is just a crappy president.

  49. “his laughable attempts to stalk “

    Wow, Clammie, you’re starting to sound paranoid. Seek help immediately.

  50. ai, that study may have been correct… in April… two weeks after Santorum suspended his campaign, making it all but official for Romney. The study covered November 2011 through April 2012 – the heat of the primary season when there was plenty of negativity to be spread equally among the Republican candidates at the time.

    Hardly convincing, and completely irrelevant now.

  51. I don’t think the media are giving Obama a pass as much as this letter writer thinks, but more reporting on the campaign details as they occur, so Romney’s pitiful campaign stands out as newsworthy.

    I think a Republican should have had a great chance of beating Obama this term, but, in every way, Republicans are determined to undermine their own chances by alienating themselves from the middle class and moderates.

    By continuing to show his true colors, Romney is destroying his chances and making moderates look more closely at other Republican races.

    The conservative commentator, Michael Gerson, a Heritage Foundation alumus, chief speech writer for Bush, and a staffer for Chuck Colson and Bob Dole, said it best in talking about Romney and his efforts to appease the far right:

    “Yet a Republican ideology pitting the “makers” against the “takers” offers nothing. No sympathy for our fellow citizens. No insight into our social challenge. No hope of change. This approach involves a relentless reductionism. Human worth is reduced to economic production. Social problems are reduced to personal vices. Politics is reduced to class warfare on behalf of the upper class.”

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/michael-gerson-a-republican-mind-set-without-promise/2012/09/20/798901f8-0344-11e2-91e7-2962c74e7738_story.html

  52. Nothing to see here except the usual misrepresentations and whining from the extreme right. Move along.

  53. I find all this outrage over FOX very interesting. IMO it is a reaction to the fact that they are the only ones who will challenge what all the others are collectively saying and doing. I don’t have the citation for this, but it can probably be found on the net…a few years back a survey among journalists that showed the majority of them to be unashamedly left-leaning in their politics. Do you honestly think this will not then inform how they produce and deliver the news.
    Can you spell Dan Rather?

    And meno, there is plenty of criticism from among conservatives seen on Fox for republicans and democrats.

    Honestly, the real whining is coming from the left who are over-reacting to the fact that for the first time in decades, thanks to cable TV, someone openly challenges their way of thinking.

    Are there airheads and blockheads on the right? Of course. But look closely and you will find an equal number of brain-dead leftists who do nothing but parrot the party line.

    Finally, you don’t watch Bill Maher to get news. If you have any taste you don’t watch him at all but that’s a different matter. The point is you know you’re not going to get straight news from him and you should know you are going to get opinion from Hannity if you watch him. I don’t like him either bts, though he doesn’t nauseate me the way Maher does. TMI

    If you can’t stomach FOX just stay all snuggly warm with the mainstream media and permit others the freedom to seek an alternative interpretation of what’s going on in the world.

  54. Tuddo, your opening sentence omits the letter-writers qualifying adjective; “liberal”, as in liberal media.

    And the rest of you post is just further confirmation that you’re completely invested in the liberal narrative, be it political or journalistic in its origin.

  55. MyBandito says:

    “….an alternative interpretation of what’s going on in the world….”

    You said a mouthful.

    Not only are you saying that Fox’s view is an interpretation, but that it is glaringly alternative.

  56. Great comment, as usual, PUb. Sorry you find this discussion so far beneath you that you felt compelled to comment about not commenting.

    Thanks for checking in.

  57. Sonofwashington says:

    To the credit of the mainstream media, they at least try to get opposing voices speaking to an issue, and I’ve seen that a lot particularly during this election period. My major complaint with them is that they have a tendency to give “balanced views”, i.e., one from either side without pressing for the truth, e.g., a man claims the earth is flat and the other says it’s round, and they leave the question open instead of pressing for the sources.

    What is unfortunate is that if FOX really was “Fair and Balanced” and had as many liberal and libertarian voices as conservatives, and had honest debates, the public would have a real asset there. Instead, they are so blatantly one-sided that their tag line “Fair and Balanced” is a punch line for a lot of jokes. One has to assume that they know they can’t win an honest debate in a fair and balanced venue so they have to resort to the their over-wrought, hyper conservative, hyper patriotic, war-on-religion, anti-tax, Islamophobia propaganda.

  58. aislander says:

    Good catch, Clam. I think my take is valid, too, no matter the time frame. The coverage of Romney was diluted by the presence of other Republican candidates, but the President is going to get more coverage no matter what, and with THIS president a lot of it is bound to be negative.

    I mean the MSM has to report some of it, no matter how much they try to protect him. Don’t they?

  59. sumyungboi says:

    When Biden gaffed yesterday, badly, by not having a clue how many troops were in Afghanistan, it was all over the news. Oh wait, it wasn’t. But we do know that a you tube video caused muzlims to hate us, that’s a fact.

  60. LeePHilI says:

    “If you can’t stomach FOX just stay all snuggly warm with the mainstream media and permit others the freedom to seek an alternative interpretation of what’s going on in the world.”

    “Alternate interpretation”????????????

    Either something happened, or it didn’t happen. There is no “interpretation”.

    FOX makes up stories like pirate garbage and calls it “interpretation” when confronted with the false nature.

    What is really funny is when an accountant, who is paid to do such, releases a letter to say his client paid such and such in taxes and the rubes on the right call that gospel. Why not release the REAL returns?

    More “interpretation”, I’m sure….

  61. LeePHilI says:

    “Did you know that they had the gall to accuse Lynne Cheney of lying when she said there were no terrorist attacks on American soil during the Bush presidency?”

    Uh…..

  62. sumyungboi says:

    When the msm thought they had a great “gotcha” video of Romney in some guys house talking about the 47%, they couldn’t get it on the air fast enough. But when the L.A. Times sits on a potentially very damaging video of Obama at a Khalidi event, not a peep by the msm, who aren’t in the least interested in even looking at it.

  63. sumyungboi says:

    lee: “FOX makes up stories like pirate garbage ..”

    Two words buddy: “Dan Rather”

  64. Lets not forget BHO claimed he did not know what the nation’s debt is currently.

  65. LeePHilI says:

    Someone needs to research the “Dan Rather” issue.
    Of course, that would be searching for truth….

    CT8……that’s ridiculous. Where’s your link? American Stinker? Newsmax?

    Why do CONS think we are stupid enough to buy the same crap that they do?

  66. LeePHilI says:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmi2bshAbkQ

    As usual, Confused makes up his own reality.

    Try quoting the President verbatim (sorry about using a big word)

  67. “Lets not forget BHO claimed he did not know what the nation’s debt is currently.”

    Lets not forget that’s a lie. Obama only said that he didn’t know “precisely” what it was at some point during the Republican convention.

  68. CT8……that’s ridiculous. Where’s your link? American Stinker? Newsmax?

    Tsk, tsk, tsk. Sonny boy should be here any minute – complete with the standard admonishment for non-refutation.

    The hills; makin’ rules to break em’.

  69. sumyungboi says:

    Dan Rather: ” Rather stated, “if I knew then what I know now – I would not have gone ahead with the story as it was aired ..”

    It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to conclude that Rather was so excited to get an anti-Bush story out there, that he completely ignored any vetting of the documents and ran.

    Two words buddy: “Dan Rather”

    :)

  70. “When Biden gaffed yesterday, badly, by not having a clue how many troops were in Afghanistan, it was all over the news. Oh wait, it wasn’t”

    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/09/joe-biden-misstates-troop-size-in-afghanistan/

  71. Right on schedule… what!!! No message/ messenger clap trap?

    Blood’s thicker than water.

  72. sumyungboi says:

    ehill, a blog post on the internet? Hahahahahaha!! Stop, yer killin’ me!

  73. sumyungboi says:

    Not to mention that I don’t believe for one minute that you even knew about it, you had to google it for cryin’ out loud! :)

  74. aislander says:

    I’m glad to see that L’Pill believes in recycling his posts.

    That’s very green for a Red…

  75. Hill, the fact that he couldn’t bring himself to “16 trillion” or “almost 16 during the RNC” is quite telling.

    No doubt he knew, but did not want to answer the question. Yup, every conservative news organization picked up on it.

    Here is the Wash Post. http://m.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/post/obama-on-letterman-president-avoids-debt-number/2012/09/19/68252fa0-024e-11e2-91e7-2962c74e7738_blog.html

  76. LeePHilI says:

    Oh I see….

    Now Rather didn’t manufacture a story…..he didn’t vet it.

    Confounded – listen to what the President said….verbatim….and then whine. You should take a creative writing course.

    ehill – one of these days, since you are a relative of mine, we are going to have to meet. Something seems to run in our family….we understand what “verbatim” means.

  77. Lar, did he give a straight answer or not? If I asked you what the national debt is, could you answer it to the nearest trillion? Don’t you expect the President to do the same?

    I have no desire to watch 13 minutes of BS and dancing around an answer. You catch his terrible interview on univision? The lies and spin there? What a terrible couple weeks for the great divider. If he wasn’t making a mess of the Nation it would be funny. If our representatives overseas were no dying he could be taken lightly.

    Why all the lies from the admin about Libya? Why not call it what it was? Thanks for spreading the news of that video, WH…

  78. sumyungboi says:

    Rather took a story that he hoped would damage Bush and ran with it, he didn’t care whether it was true or not, and is therefore as culpable as the jerk who created the false docs. You can put Rather in whatever spin cycle you wish, the fact remains that he clearly was trying to influence the presidential election.

    Two words buddy: “Dan Rather”

  79. Sonofwashington says:

    I love how our right-leaning friends make any mistake or honest confession of “not knowing precisely” on the part of Obama or Biden as clear, unadulterated evidence of a willful desire to mislead the public. They certainly don’t hold Mr. Romney or Mr. Ryan (re: his grossly misleading speech at the RNC) to the same standard. And of course they love FOX news’ penchant for misleading statments, charts, and disreputable spokes persons because that gives them a “source” to affirm their biases and propagate all the lies they love to love.

    Would that they applied the same standards to Mr. Romney’s infamous position statements that change like “a well-lubricated weathervane”, his refusal to provide tax returns for the last 10 years, and both his and Ryan’s refusal to provide any details on all the cost-cutting and loop-hole closing they propose while still adding to the deficit.

  80. LeePHilI says:

    Uh…..what proof was there that the “docs” were “false”? Isn’t Bush’s military records missing? I think if you’ll look, you’ll find that the story was disputed, but there was no proof that the documents were wrong, either, thus Rather’s suit of CBS.

    A classic example of cons writing their own history of an event that happened in 2004 and expecting us to be ignorant enough to accept their rewrite.

    “straight answer” – Confounded….LISTEN TO THE QUESTION AND THE ANSWER. I provided the video tape, I can’t do anything more for you.

    You don’t like the answer….but that doesn’t mean he is not aware of the national debt, as you originally tried to intimate. In fact, if what you say is true…and Obama is trying to deceive….you are in fact admitting that he knows what the national debt is.

    You even confuse yourself.

    “I have no desire to watch 13 minutes of BS and dancing around an answer.”

    Avoiding the truth is your best excuse for ignorance.

  81. sumyungboi says:

    lee, yeah, the original documents were burned. How convenient.

    SoW, read the topic of this thread. What’s more concerning than Obama’s lack of facts or Biden’s stupidity is that the msm won’t bring it to you.

  82. LeePHilI says:

    Son…I love how if FOX creates a story…like the pirate picture….it’s gospel and the MSM refuses to run it…..THEN…when FOX is caught in the chicken coop…..change issues.

    Did you notice that a rube already took a press release by Romney’s accounting firm and turned it into a viable proof that Romney’s tax returns are as the accounting firm says? These are the same people that question the integrity of the State of Hawaii….but believe a CPA firm.

    The old joke….”what’s 2+ 2?” The CPA answer?….”whatever you want it to be”.

  83. Clamat0 says about my post, “And the rest of you post is just further confirmation that you’re completely invested in the liberal narrative, be it political or journalistic in its origin.”

    I made sure to quote a conservative not a liberal, with conservative credentials. He is saying what a lot of media types, liberal, conservative and in-between, are saying, Romney is running a terrible campaign, speaks only to the base of extremists in his party, and is doing everything possible to prove he hasn’t a clue how to make himself attractive to moderates and independents.

    That’s a frustration many conservative Republicans are feeling right now, and it is becoming a conservative narrative more and more. Even some commenters on Fox are saying Romney is ruining his chances and Republicans chances of staying in power.

    I could have quoted the Wall Street Journal which took Ronmney to task this week for not being specific on his economic plans, Jennifer Rubin, the conservative commenter at the Washington Post who said that Romney’s foreign policy statements are “coming out mush”, William McGurn also with WSJ who said that Romney has ceded foreign policy to Obama or George Will taking after Romney for refusing to spell out which deductions he would eliminate to make his tax cut math work.

    All this (and much more) is just this week, and from conservatives and the conservative media, not liberals.

  84. Sonofwashington says:

    I love the irony that the “Fair and Balanced” News Network was singularly responsible for all the free publicity and blatant support by their “stars” (Sean Hannity in particular), without which they would not exist, and now poor Romney/Ryan are in a real fix, trying to pander to the nutwing right and still trying to get the share of votes from independents, minorities, women and seniors that are essential need to win in a general election. The latest polling would seem to indicate that they haven’t gained the enthusiasm of the right and are slipping badly in the rest of the demographics. Likewise, the Tea Partiers are taking a toll on state-level elections.

  85. Tuds, where is Obama’s plan? You are knocking Romney on specifics, when he have nothing from your preferred side of the aisle.

    And your last post just showed the republican party as honest. These pundits are being critical of Romney, something not seen on the left. BHO has failed America. He has failed minorities the most. Where is Rev Al? He has failed women. Where is Fluke?

    He has failed us all. Time for him to back to the warzone known as Chicago.

  86. sumyungboi says:

    tuddo, your comment was like every other comment you’ve ever penned. You pretend to be thoughtful and reasoned, and then you come to the conclusion that republicans are losers and liberalism is where we need to be. You’re like a broken record. Why can’t you just be honest about who you are?

  87. This letter is a pre-emptive excuse for why their guy isn’t going to win.

    Whine, whine, whine, whine, whine.

    If your guy didn’t keep putting his foot in his mouth maybe he would get better press.

  88. sumyungboi says:

    beerboy is a 9/11 truther, and therefore, anything he says cannot be taken seriously.

  89. BB, I too think whining about the MSM is a lose-lose for the right. The MSM is not going to all of a sudden vet BHO or call him out on being terrible, and it makes you leftists feel superior knowing you have them supporting your guy.

    But when they intentionally avoid anything that makes BHO look like his the failure we all know he is, it is shameful.

  90. President Obama’s jobs bill for vets was killed by…..you guessed it, the extreme right. A greater stimulus package way back when was killed by..you guessed it, the extreme right.
    The extreme right has no dignity nor conscience, but they sure can whine ……. like an overspeed turbo.

  91. $5tril in ‘stimulus’ and we are stuck at 8% unemployment.

    Already 6 jobs programs for veterans. You fell for a political stunt. You should be more concerned about the fiscal clif we are heading towards, the lack of a budget, a farm/transpo bill, and other important business deemed to hard for Harry.

  92. aislander says:

    Re: Publico’s falling for that phony “veterans’ jobs bill.”

    Is he cynically going along with the stunt or is he merely ignorant?

  93. sumyungboi says:

    Both. He’s going along with the stunt because he’s ignorant. Unless you’re one of the politically connected elite, there is zero logical reason to be liberal outside of thinking that you’ll get something for nothing.

  94. LeePHilI says:

    “CT8 says:
    Sep. 22, 2012 at 3:43 pm Tuds, where is Obama’s plan?”

    Much like the Letterman video, you could be educated on Obama’s plan but you still wouldn’t get it.

    http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/19/veterans-jobs-bill-blocked-in-the-senate/

    aislander needs to get in line with the talking points on why the GOP voted down the veterans jobs bill. Quit thinking for yourself.

  95. Procedure and 6 programs already. Not talking points, facts.

    Where is his plan? Point it out?

  96. aislander says:

    sumyungboi writes: ” Unless you’re one of the politically connected elite…

    Well there it is, isn’t it? I’ve made the point over and over to those who are obsessed with “fairness,” that there is no system more unfair than one based on political connections.

    The free market is the most fair system there is…

  97. bobcat1a says:

    Anyone using the term “main stream media” in an argument has already infantilized their point.

  98. sumyungboi says:

    bobcat: “Anyone using the term “main stream media” in an argument has already infantilized their point”

    Translation: bobcat lost

  99. sumyungboi, thank you for telling me who I am. What I DO know is that I still believe then same things I believed when I was voting for Eisenhower, Nixon (once, and I regretted it) and other Republicans as well as conservative Democrats that we had in the South. I would have voted for barry Goldwater after he mellowed out and ran his own races rather than being the voice of the john Birch Society.

    What the far right has been successful at, and I give them due credit for getting a lot of people to buy into it, is that only their brand of near-libertarianism, elitism, and Southern-style racism hidden in code words and innuendo, is real conservatism. Re-fried Bircherism.

    I am to the left of the Tea Party, and if that makes me a liberal in your mind, then so be it.

    Compared to issue polls, I am moderately conservative in the fiscal issues and moderately progressive in social issues.

  100. Ah, talk about talking points: Four Republicans help write a bipartisan bill, get promises from both parties that it will be supported. Then, to try to make a political statement, one Senator calls a point of order, Republicans forget about voting on it based on representation of their constituency or based on its own merits and join together to block it to try to make Obamka look bad.

    Is there a single Republican willing to vote country first instead of party first?

  101. sumyungboi says:

    tuddo, you’re one ridiculous dude, man. You take five minutes to try convince us that you’re a moderate guy, and in the very next comment, affirm that you toe the leftist line. Nice. Like I said ..

  102. I do find it ridiculous that old leftists have the sack to call other elitist.

    In an argument those on the right rely on facts. Leftists rely on emotion and perception. At any opportunity they demean their opponent.

    Eisenhower? Too funny.

  103. It is getting hard to differentiate the parody posts (natomy) from the rest of youse guys.

    Gotta love being dismissed for being a “truther” when all I posted on that subject was as summation of the conclusions reached by the 9/11 Commission and a reference to the slow movement towards appointing that Commission by the Administration of the time – on a thread dedicated to the idea that there is some vast conspiracy by the “liberal” media to report bad things about Romney while not reporting about Obama.

    Like I said….I can’t tell the parody from the “serious” stuff.

  104. Gotta love Ted Koppel on O’Reily’s show:
    Koppel notes that ideological news is bad for America – from wherever the ideology stems. He notes that there is no question when watching FoxNews where the ideological bent comes from. Further, he chastises O’ Reilly for pretending to be a real news anchor, especially when he goes so far as to remind O’ Reilly “Once upon a time, you and I thought journalism was a calling…” instead of just a business.

    http://fromthetrenchesworldreport.com/ted-koppel-fox-news-bad-for-america/21924/

  105. Cry , cry, cry me a river. Such victimhood among Republicans…. You had 8 years the run the country – instead you almost ruined it. Be quiet now and stop your incessant complaining. Whiners!

  106. sumyungboi, how is supporting a bipartisan bill that helps veterans and does not add a dime to the deficit point to my being a liberal?

    I have veterans coming in and calling every day about employment. I volunteer every week at the Medicine Lake VA and work with vets who are disabled. I know how bad veterans are hurting in this economy.

    This bill was a no-brainer until someone in Republican leadership decided to make it political and pull a September surprise. Republicans up and down the line had signaled that it would quietly pass if Dems called it bipartisan, which they made sure to do. I followed this bill closely, because of my interest in helping veterans find employment.

    So, what is the new Republican line on this bill – it was just a Democratic approach to make them look good. I guess that’s why Republicans helped draft it and voted for it in committee.

    I don’t think this is a conservative/liberal issue. I think it is Party politics. I imagine a similar bill will pass quickly no matter who controls the Senate next term.

  107. CT8: “In an argument those on the right rely on facts”
    LMFAO – that was rich, thank you ct!!
    Facts? Like the bible? Like Faux? Like Beck, O-Reilly and Hush Limbaugh, who calls women ‘Nazis’ and ‘prostitutes’ and wants to see them have you know what?
    There is no credibility left on the right. The tealiban ate his own, now we are left with the likes of Palin, Bachmann, Trump and their ilk.
    ct, you made a pretty little fantasy world for yourself. Enjoy the fairy-dust; you’ll need it in November. Your man Willard Mitt Romney just does not have it together – and that, my friend, is a fact :)

  108. Which is exactly why I don’t follow the “news” (apart from popping in here to see what kind of divisive, kiddie sandbox bickering is going on in the TNT comment threads!)

    The news is always biased, always slanted to the left, or rarely has any content that affects my life.

    The voters in this country give little real thought to the candidates, and put everything on whether a candidate has an “R” or a “D” behind their name, or whether they are conceived as Liberal or Conservative.

    They news has very little to contribute to stupid voting practices.

    I’m writing in Ronald McDonald for President out of pure protest at the silliness it has become. Whether its Romney or Obama, neither one will be a “savior”.

  109. “No doubt [President Obama] knew, but did not want to answer the question.”

    Ahh, the old mind-reader claim again. Guess how many fingers, and which ones, I’m holding up right now?

  110. “In an argument those on the right rely on facts.”

    Like when you wrong-wingers claim to know what liberals “want” or “think”? ROFLMAO – thanks for a great laugh!

  111. LeePHilI says:

    LOL….@ehill 8:05

  112. LeePHilI says:

    CT8 says:
    Sep. 22, 2012 at 8:57 pm
    Eisenhower? Too funny.

    As if you’d know anything about that subject…too funny

  113. LeePHilI says:

    “CT8 says:
    Sep. 22, 2012 at 6:31 pm Procedure and 6 programs already. Not talking points, facts.
    Where is his plan? Point it out?”

    Take the latest thing filibustered out in Congress and you’ll have part of Obama’s plan. Look back over the past almost four years and see what was filibustered and you’ll see more.

    The plan remains the same….more money for the middle class. Without that you continue down the same road to ruins.

  114. That is not a plan, that is a goal. You are falling for the same crap 4 years later.

    Pathetic.

  115. You never answered why the WH and State Department felt the need to lie about Libya. Secondary effect to those lies is Carney and crew helped spread the video.

    Ehill, I see dad loves your humor and you deflection. Should a president know the debt, enough to round it to the nearest trillion?

  116. CT8, “Eisenhower? Too funny.” – really?

    I always thought Eisenhower was a pretty serious president. How is he the punch line of your unwritten joke? Is that the latest coded message for the far right that Fox has beamed to your brain?

    I had a great uncle that would sit in the room with us and repeat one word out of a sentence someone had said and giggle. We didn’t institutionalize him, because he was pretty benign, but he wasn’t all there, if you know what I mean.

  117. Pops, you brought brought up party politics in 1952. 60 years ago when the bulk of voters were not even alive.

    Not sure what FNC or nutjobs in your bloodline have to do with it.

  118. sumyungboi says:

    tuddo: “sumyungboi, how is supporting a bipartisan bill that helps veterans and does not add a dime to the deficit ..”

    It’s estimated that the bill would cost $1B, which means that it would cost about $10B or more. We don’t have the money for a election year gimmick by the democrats.

    Nice trick with the word “deficit”, by the way, but you’re just not as smart as you think you are.

  119. MrCarleone says:

    So, the owners of the major media outlets are “Liberal” ?

    What a stunningly ignorant letter !

  120. Not putting something on a credit card does not equate to savings. The left has a problem understanding that…

  121. sumyungboi, remember when Republicans and Democrats came to an agreement not to pass any legislation that added to the deficit. A bill must show that it will save money in other areas or that there is current revenue forecast to pay for it. This bill did that.

    Some of the 8 measures that Republicans wrote into the bill out of 12 total made sure that there was current revenue and that this program would not add to the deficit. No gimmick, just facts.

    It doesn’t take much intelligence to follow what the Congress has done, since they have done so little.

    Keep up your personal attacks on me, if it makes you feel better. Its just something one expects from the majority of right wingers who post on these threads.

  122. “Elites, whether in government, academia, media, or business, are overwhelmingly liberal.”: False and stunningly ignorant definition of “elites”. Look at who owns and/or runs or wields the power in each of the groups you mentioned and you will find a majority of conservatives.

    The “power elite” theories say that the elites consist of three groups that control the political and financial activities of the nation and wield extreme influence in almost all public activites and decisions in the USA :
    1)Political -president, some members of the cabinet, Congressional leaders and SCOTUS
    2) Corporate – the largest group – corporate leaders and high dollar donors
    3) Military – high ranking military officers, CIA Director and advisors

  123. aislander says:

    I don’t see any evidence that business elites differ from other elites in terms of their political orientation, and most elites ARE liberals. Please provide a link to statistics that support your assertion.

  124. Tuds, every dollar spent by govt adds to the deficit. Until we trim over a trillion dollars of spending, then trim past the payments on the existing debt, we will not be balanced.

  125. aislander says:

    I can understand the left’s lack of concern over the coming debt crisis ONLY if I impute malicious motivation. They WANT to see America fail.

    I just can’t believe they view this as business as usual and want to spend even MORE…

  126. LeePHilI says:

    “CT8 says:
    Sep. 23, 2012 at 1:38 pm Tuds, every dollar spent by govt adds to the deficit”

    Let’s start by not providing billions to the Oil Companies.

    Next, we’ll quit buying war toys, as we already have enough to end the world as we know it.

    Then, stop subsidizing farms, such as the one owned by Michelle Bachmann’s family. She already gets $175K a year from the taxpayers, I think that should be enough.

    How much money did we give to Israel? Stop now.
    http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_much_money_does_the_US_give_Israel

    Do we have a good start on $1 trillion? A heck of a lot more of a start than cutting NPR and Planned Parenthood (which would increase other health related costs)

  127. MyBandito says:

    From Wikipedia.

    “Liberal elite is a political stigma used to describe highly-educated, politically left-leaning people, whose education had traditionally opened the doors to affluence. It is commonly used with the pejorative implication that the people who claim to support the rights of the working class are themselves members of the upper class, or upper middle class, and are therefore out of touch with the real needs of the people they claim to support and protect. The phrase “liberal elite” should not be confused with the term “elite” as used by writers such as Vilfredo Pareto and C. Wright Mills. They use the term to mean those who exercise the most political power.”

  128. MyBandito says:

    The Right will not allow America to succeed while Obama is President simply because it exposes the Right as not having the best plan. It’s the duty of the obstructionist make sure that Obama’s efforts cannot succeed.

    Conversely, the Left wants America to succeed, thrive, and prosper.

  129. LeePHilI says:

    From LEEPHILLOPEDIA:

    Liberal elite is what we are when we aren’t welfare queens driving our Cadillacs.

  130. aislander says:

    Would Warren Buffett, Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos, Jeffrey Immelt, Ted Turner and others of their ilk, be considered elites?

  131. aislander says:

    No, MyB: the left wants government to “thrive and prosper,” even as it is killing the country…

  132. Sonofwashington says:

    ailander – Are you seriously claiming that the power elite in America, composed primarily of the top 1%, the same folks who fund an army of lobbyists to strong arm Congress, the same who fund Republican campaigns so generously, the same who fund the non-transparent superpacs, the same who support “conservative” justices who give rights of citizenry to corporations, and the same who sit at $50,000 dinners to hear Romeny denigrate the “other” 47%, are NOT Republicans?

    I would like to see your links that indicate that the corporate\business elite are in any way, politically balanced.

  133. Dave98373 says:

    I really enjoy watching the various biased news formats (entertainment, yes…genuine, no). As obvious biases in the media become more clearer by each election, news institutions that continue this behavior will be exposed for the fraud that they are and will be bankrupt before you know it (such as the Seattle P.I…one local example).

  134. aislander says:

    So…you’re saying that the corporate elite are politically connected and THAT makes them free marketeers? Does that make one bit of sense?

    Please give this just a moment’s thought (ignoring–if you can–knee-jerk reactions to the word “corporate”) and you will know that it doesn’t.

  135. uratroll says:

    Instead of “a pass”, don’t you mean “another pass”?

  136. Ai- you are trying to reason with admitted truthers and advocates of socialism. MB and Sow have shown an incredible level of political ignorance on these blogs. If they came here for knowledge, it would be admirable. They do not.

    To claim that both sides do not have affluent individual supporters is ridiculous.

    Hill, if BHO had established, transparently, that as his plan it would at least be a starting point. Instead we get speeches, words without action. Goals with no plans.

    Egypt would make more sense to cut off then Israel…

  137. Why can’t I post links to this thread????????????

  138. aislander says:

    Both sides DO have wealthy supporters, no doubt, but my contention is that, with few exceptions, corporate elites support Democrats, and for reasons that make sense to them.

    It is easier to influence one entity–government–to achieve advantages over competitors, tax advantages, and government contracts than it is to fight off a host of hungry, albeit smaller, competitors. Thus the political connectedness that SoW cites as being evidence of a conservative bent.

    Immunization against charges of greed. If they support Dems, they can be seen as “good corporate citizens,” even if that is a sham.

    Their social circle. Old money is liberal money. The farther removed one is from the creation of wealth–especially new wealth–the more likely one is to be liberal. Middle-aged money wants to gain the cachet of old money, which is why it adopts the habits of old money and tries to socialize with it.

  139. “Entrepreneurs tend to be conservative” aislander.
    You poor boys live in a fantasy.
    Look at Google, Microsoft, Amazon, Apple, and Costco and find they are liberal and progressive.
    Look at Lockheed-Martin, KBR, Halliburton, Blackwater (or X-academy or whatever they are now) and realize they are staunch conservative and make money solely off the public tax dime and warmongering. Look at conservative Wal-Mart who sends their own staff to get public help with healthcare and who has most of that garbage produced in China – Communist China that is.
    Shake-off your fantasy pixie-dust, aislander, you look like a little princess in pink…

  140. aislander says:

    Hit a nerve, didn’t I?

  141. It is Xe. Founded by Erik Prince, a kid born into a billion dollar estate that becomes a volunteer fireman then a Navy SEAL.

    Now that is a driven man.

    Anti-Walmart garbage. They provide jobs and pay taxes.

  142. Ah yes, catholic Price Boy, making a killing of the American war of choice in Iraq. And idol of yours, huh? As long as they are violent enough, you are fine with them pilfering tax money, ct? You have no principals.
    Princess aislander, that’s all you got? Hot air?

  143. MyBandito says:

    islander said- “Hit a nerve, didn’t I?”

    Is that what’s most important to you?

  144. MyBandito says:

    islander says- “Both sides DO have wealthy supporters, no doubt, but my contention is that, with few exceptions, corporate elites support Democrats, and for reasons that make sense to them.”

    How does that fit in with Romney’s 47% thingy? I thought that we were all supposed to be unemployed, welfare sucking, tax dodging, illiterates who will vote for Obama no matter what.

    Now you’re saying that we’re uppity wealthy, snobs.

    Which is it? (You cannot have it both ways.)

  145. MyBandito says:

    Clamat0 says- Why can’t I post links to this thread????????????

    Click your heels together and say, There’s no place like home…..

  146. aislander says:

    There’s more than one person (unfortunately) who calls himself a Democrat, so, yes, I CAN have it both ways. AND be right…

  147. sumyungboi says:

    bandito: “How does that fit in with Romney’s 47% thingy? I thought that we were all supposed to be unemployed, welfare sucking ..”

    Public school math class?

    In any case, aislanders correct, liberalism is attractive to lazy people who want free stuff, and to the very politically connected elite. Those of us in with real jobs who pay real taxes tend to be more conservative.

  148. MyBandito says:

    I thought that it was those overpaid union members who paid all those taxes. Are you saying that Conservatives are overpaid as well?

  149. MyBandito says:

    So, “There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it — that that’s an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what. … These are people who pay no income tax. …

    Then there are all those overpaid union members who pay plenty in taxes who vote for Obama.

    Now there are these “corporate elites (who) support Democrats, and for reasons that make sense to them.”

    That’s just about everybody, isn’t it?

  150. SwordofPerseus says:

    aislander said;“Elites, whether in government, academia, media, or business, are overwhelmingly liberal. Entrepreneurs tend to be conservative.”

    ‘slander, wow. That is without a doubt one of the most disingenuous statements you have clicked Submit Comment on. Or perhaps you are so completely ignorant that it defies credibility. Elites by definition come in both classes of conservative and liberal. Once again you try to pervert language to your conservative bent, a skewed view, to be sure.

    Entrepreneurs tend to be more adventurous and therefor risk takers by definition. On the other hand conservatives tend to invest in sure bets like land and capital (capitalists) expansion, hence the conservative stance and moniker. You are far from the mark on this one ‘slander.

  151. sumdumbboy: “liberalism is attractive to lazy people who want free stuff”
    Let me spell it out one time for you, sumdumbboy:
    Look at Google, Microsoft, Amazon, Apple, and Costco and find they are liberal and progressive.
    Look at Lockheed-Martin, KBR, Halliburton, Blackwater (or X-academy or whatever they are now) and realize they are staunch conservative and make money solely off the public tax dime and warmongering. Look at conservative Wal-Mart who sends their own staff to get public help with healthcare and who has most of that garbage produced in China – Communist China that is.

    One more thing: Blue states provide much more federal tax money than red ones. Red states are very good at living on the expense of the smarter, wealthier blue states. It’s a hard fact – look it up, sumdumbboy!

  152. It is typical. The extreme right is against the proven success of Keynesian economics except when it is military Keynesian economics. Then they are all for it. Spend, spend, spend on that military hardware no matter what because it will provide a good push for jobs and the economy.

  153. SwordofPerseus says:

    monkeys are preventing my comments from being printed

  154. SwordofPerseus says:

    I am a fan of TheSlag, LMFAO.

    twice now multiple sentence comments selectively deleted even before posted. :-(

  155. Sure, slander. You did a reasoned exchange on conservatives sucking at being entrepreneurs. No, wait. You had…nothing! LOL
    Is it very dark in there? :)

  156. LeePHilI says:

    “(such as the Seattle P.I…one local example)”

    So much information available, and so little time to educate yourself.

    The Seattle PI went to an online only edition a few years ago. They were in a joint operating agreement with the Times from 1983 to 2009 where both papers used the same business departments. Only the editorial departments were different.

    The PI going online only had nothing to do with their “politics” (Hearst was liberal??????????????) and everything to do with being the #2 newspaper in a 2 newpaper town that could only afford one, that is also taking it in the shorts.

    Why are people so ignorant about the facts and so willing to demonstrate such?

  157. Tuddo says, “I had a great uncle that would sit in the room with us and repeat one word out of a sentence someone had said and giggle. We didn’t institutionalize him, because he was pretty benign…..”

    By golly, I’m gonna try that trick the next time the boss holds one of his boring meetings that no one can seem to liven up! :D

  158. Pub, since Bush Jr we have been pushing Keynesian economics. How has that worked out? $10t later and we manufacture less and less % of the pop is employed.

    No, history does not prove it works. Just the opposite. And the economies of the 1930s are not the economies of today.

    Not only does it fail due to the temp nature of the artificial demand created, it expands govt. It picks winners and losers.

  159. menopaws says:

    The best part of this particular blog is that the media criticism was heavy……..I think maybe both sides of the media coin need to pay attention…….Corporate media is NOT doing it’s job….right or left—the free press disappeared when corporations bought them…the late Molly Ivins warned America that corporate ownership of media signaled the end of free press and she was right……..Media bias is determined in board meetings not in newsrooms……Sad and we all lose, don’t we?

  160. One can argue the internet has balanced the opinion found in all news today. Instead of one daily paper, you can search dozens of sites.

  161. LeePHilI says:

    “CT8 says:
    Sep. 24, 2012 at 6:24 am One can argue the internet has balanced the opinion found in all news today. Instead of one daily paper, you can search dozens of sites.”

    Or you can go to American Thinker a dozen times…..

  162. I am a fan of TheSlag…

    Something tells me you’re more than just a “fan”.

  163. LeePHilI says:

    BOO!!!

    nothing like paranoia in the morrrrrororning!!!

  164. LeePHilI says:

    I’m wondering about those tough followup questions by Scott Pelley last night on 60 Minutes.

    Did CBS leave the mainstream media?

  165. Liberals control MSNBC, CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, most magazines and newspapers, Hollywood, cable & network TV. And they still are whining about FOX NEWS. Case to point – read some of these comments.

  166. averageJose says:

    60 minutes is still on the air?

  167. Sumner31 says:

    The conservatives get short shrift on two counts. First they get no mainstream coverage because what’s newsworthy about doing nothing and sounding like crackpots. Second, their only outlet is Fox which by all accounts only prints/airs extremely slanted and artificially created “stories” without qualified sources.

  168. fmrplt, yes, we know, anybody to the left of you or Michelle Bachmann or Louis Gomert is a liberal or registered communist.

    Dan Rather got what he deserved when he gave a commentary absed on incomplete and less than factual information, but, unfortunately, Fox News commits the same misstatements of fact all the time and the right then quotes their lies as facts because Fox said so.

    LeePHill, I miss Rather for his encyclopaedic knowledge and his tough questions to anyone in power, no matter the side.

    All media are currently more interested in keeping their corporate powers happy and their corporate sponsors coddled than they are in getting straight information.

  169. “the WH and State Department felt the need to lie about Libya.”

    The latest trend for liars is to accuse others of lying. Thanks for illustrating that trend, CT8.

  170. “I can understand the left’s lack of concern over the coming debt crisis ONLY if I impute malicious motivation. They WANT to see America fail.”

    Another mind-reader. ROFLMAO

  171. Back up your claim, tough guy. How was blaming a riot, not terrorists, not an outright lie?

    Real tough behind that keyboard. Be careful.

  172. “Would Warren Buffett, Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos, Jeffrey Immelt, Ted Turner and others of their ilk, be considered elites?

    So would the Koch Brothers, Sheldon Adelson, Henry Kravis, Michael Dell, Jim Walton, Christy Walton, Charles Schwab, and Boone Pickens.

  173. “How was blaming a riot, not terrorists, not an outright lie?” — A lie requires intent. Can you demonstrate intent?

    “Real tough behind that keyboard. Be careful. — Ahhh, more projection. Must be tough down there in mommy’s basement.

  174. See my last comment was removed. Be careful…

  175. averageJose says:

    incomplete and less than factual information LMAO… is that what progs are calling fraud when it’s perpetrated by one of their own?

  176. averageJose, the courts dismissed the suit against CBS and said no fraud had been committed. Investigation revealed Rather was not part of developing the story.

    I try to use language that is factual. Calling something “fraud” when it was actually determined by a court not to be fraud may be your opinion, but opinion isn’t fact.

  177. Ehill’s latest gem of wisdom: The latest trend for liars is to accuse others of lying. Thanks for illustrating that trend, CT8.
    _______________________________________________________

    And this is coming from the far left one-liner-in-chief who has called at least two dozen people on this forum LIAR. Is there possibly a hidden meaning in this?

  178. hansgruber says:

    xring says:
    Sep. 21, 2012 at 2:03 pm The non-conservative media knows that Republican policies caused the economy to crash

    What xring doesn’t say is the economy crashed with both houses of Congress controlled by the DEM’s. And since the DEM’s took control in 2007 the National Debt has increased by $7.345 Trillion…..hummmmm?

  179. “Would Warren Buffett, Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos, Jeffrey Immelt, Ted Turner and others of their ilk, be considered elites?

    Would a question like that be labeled “class warfare” if it listed Rightist funders rather than more left leaning CEOs?

  180. Sonofwashington says:

    Even the mainstream (“lame-stream”) media know that Bush and his Republican brethern blew out a budget surplus to a record breaking deficit by cutting taxes in a time of war (which was put “on the credit card”) and by Medicare Part D (a humongous giveaway of taxpayer dollars to Big Pharma), all on top of the deregulation of Wall Street and the banks that brought America to the financial brink. Another great portion of the deficit was brought about by the Bush bail-out (TARP)and the subsequent stimulus necessitated by the Bush recession.

    So you’ll forgive if I have a problem with our “conservative” lecturing anyone on the deficit after saying and doing nothing about the reckless spending by the Bush administration.

    We now have little choice but to “prime the pump” with stimulus as no country has ever brought itself out of recession with austerity.

    Thankfully, the Obama stimulus has given us 30 straight months of economic growth which would be a whole lot better if the Republican leadership didn’t force a filibuster on every job-stimulus bill that Obama and the Democrats have proposed, even those with Republican sponsors (e.g., the Veterans Jobs Act).

  181. “the far left one-liner-in-chief who has called at least two dozen people on this forum LIAR”

    If you don’t like being called a liar, then the solution is simple: quit lying.

  182. Ehill’s wrote: The latest trend for liars is to accuse others of lying. Thanks for illustrating that trend, CT8.
    _______________________________________________________

    I responded: And this is coming from the far left one-liner-in-chief who has called at least two dozen people on this forum LIAR. Is there possibly a hidden meaning in this?
    ________________________________________________________

    Ehill huffs: If you don’t like being called a liar, then the solution is simple: quit lying.
    ________________________________________________________

    Is this not one of ehill’s famed pot/kettle situations? Yep, I believe it is.

  183. averageJose says:

    Tudds, could you link to where “it was actually determined by a court not to be fraud”?

    Wiki states – “several typewriter and typography experts concluded the documents are blatant forgeries” and “the provider of the documents, Lt. Col. Bill Burkett, claims to have burned the originals after faxing copies to CBS” (kooky, why would he do that???)

    Thanks in advance. :D

    Btw, I understand how difficult it may be to admit there are “journalists” in the mainstream media whose integrity is impacted negatively by their bias’.

  184. Rather retired as the anchorman and Managing Editor of the CBS Evening News in 2005; his last broadcast was Wednesday, March 9, 2005

    In June 2006, reports surfaced that CBS News would most likely not renew Dan Rather’s contract.[44] According to a Washington Post article, sources from CBS said that executives at the network decided “there is no future role for Rather”.

    from wikipedia

    So the point to all of this is that CBS – a so-called liberal network – got rid of a high profile newsman who had been with them for 24 years after one scandal about memos that weren’t properly vetted. Hardly damning evidence of “lamestream” media.

  185. Rather v. CBS Corp.

    I have not ever claimed that there is not some bias in media or in certain journalists. In mainstream media, issues like vetting and firing people for not vetting properly take place because facts are paramount. At Fox, no such thing happens. People still use improperly vetted material from Fox to support specious claims, because Fox never goes back and corrects its mistakes or admits errors.

    Even the liberal/progressive-slanted MSNBC very publicly admits mistakes of fact.

    Fox also uses the technique of saying “some people claim” in their hard news pieces, when it was their own talk show people making something up in the first place. People forget the “some claim” part and then repeat whatever was said as a fact because a newscaster said it.

  186. averageJose says:

    Are you saying CBS fired him and Mary Mapes because of CBS’ high standard of journalistic integrity… or could it have had something to do with public pressure?

    Had the bloggers not called them on it, I’ll bet they would have continued business as usual. That’s the cool thing about the internet and cable news. The big 3 no longer have a monopoly on information. Thier lies of ommission and commission are harder to pass of as news. Perhaps that’s why there’s so much hate and discontent over alternative media.

    Same goes for the altering of the audio of the Zimmerman 911 call by NBC. Do we even know WHO was fired over that yet?

  187. averageJose says:

    People forget the “some claim” part and then repeat whatever was said as a fact because a newscaster said it.

    LMAO… are you saying you have never seen that with the msm??? that that technique manifested itself when FNC came on scene??? That Harry Reid didn’t use his own version when he repeated what his imaginary friend told him?
    Your selective outrage has been noted and this isn’t the first time tudds.

    Facts are “paramount”… when they get caught.

  188. Your non-outrage and support of Fox lies has been noted, averageJose, and it poermeates your entire world viewpoint.

    Fox gets caught al the time, yet you still quote the lies after they have been fact-checked out of existence.

  189. averageJose says:

    all the time?

    Back it up. I provided several citations… you repeated talking points.

    While you’re at it, show me what lie I quoted.

    ………
    btw, I was hoping to read your response on another thread. The letter from Leo and Debbie Regala.

    Oh, still waiting for your link to where “it was actually determined by a court not to be fraud” too.

  190. averageJose says:

    chirp…chirp…chirp

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