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ISLAM: Muslims aren’t America’s friends

Letter by John H. Melton, University Place on Sep. 18, 2012 at 12:10 pm with 108 Comments »
September 18, 2012 2:50 pm

Leonard Pitts Jr. suggested (column, 9-16) that Muslims were overreacting and being childish by rioting over the “Innocence of Muslims” film. In reading Pitts’ column, I had two thoughts.

First, I am fearful that Pitts is in for it now. In calling Muslim reaction to the Muhammad film “childish,” he has risked offending Muslims, and one of them will do him harm. I pray to Allah that this will not happen.

The second thought I had is that, for being such a savvy political observer, Pitts is clueless as to why Muslims riot. Muslims are eager and willing to be offended because their righteous indignation gives them cover for attacking and killing Americans.

It is not politically correct to say out loud, but Muslims are at war with America. They see it as a religious war, jihad, against the great Satan. I suggest that American foreign policy must begin with the acknowledgment that Muslims are not friends of America.

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  1. averageJose says:

    Well said John.

  2. Well said and wrong, except for the part about Muslims being at war with the U.S.

  3. the3rdpigshouse says:

    Right on John – where is Reagan when you really need him???! We get stuck with an anti-American socialist democrat like “OH-Bummer”!! Hopefully the ignorant electorate has awakened from their brainwash sessions and joined the ranks of the pro-American citizens!!

  4. torinaga says:

    If we are going to take a series of exceptionally complex socioeconomically and political issues and oversimplify them in a way that really puts the blame where it belongs, I think the real problem here is caused by those rotten Oxygen breathers.

  5. Sonofwashington says:

    Since our right-wing Christian friends are so pumped on taking on Muslims everywhere as our enemy, could we not say that they too, see this as a religious war, jihad, against the great Satan, Muhammad?

    Let us spark a huge, hate-fueled religious war that can embroil the world and destroy the lives of millions of innocents, all in the name of the King of Grace and almighty God (or would that be Allah?).

    Thus, the world can feel the righteous wrath of those zealots who pray to the same god but have a different insight to the “truth” than the poor other misguided souls who in their ignorance, serve Satan.

    After all, what would Jesus do?

  6. alindasue says:

    At roughly 1.4billion adherents, Islam in its many forms is the second largest religious group in the world after the combined population of Christianity. By comparison, there are roughly the same number of Jews in the world, 14million, as there are Mormons (one of the Christian sects).

    “A study conducted by the Pew Research Center in 2010 and released January 2011[15][3] found that there are 1.62 billion Muslims around the world. The study found more Muslims in the United Kingdom than in Lebanon and more in China than in Syria.[3]”

    Yes, there are anti-America protesters in Egypt, Lebanon, and Syria – but where are the jihadists in London and China? It isn’t Muslims that are “at war with America”. It is certain groups of Muslims in certain countries. To blame all Muslims for the actions of a few would be like blaming all pro-lifers for one fanatic shooting a doctor. It just doesn’t make sense.

    We have Muslims here in the USA, loyally serving our country in the armed forces.

    As for Mr. Pitts, Muslim people don’t generally go ballistic about insults to themselves. They do however get upset when people show disrespect for God (whom the call “Allah”) and their sacred texts. Mr. Pitts did neither of those things. He is in no danger.

  7. alindasue says:

    torinaga, I think you’ve figure it out.

  8. Son, radical islamists kill and/ or seek to subjugate atheists, Christians, Jews, and people of all other religious beliefs, as well as muslims of differing sects, with equal vigor.

    If you think non-religious beliefs will somehow exempt you from their wrath should you ever be in a position whereby you may be exposed to it, you’re more naive than the current administration’s policy in the Middle East.

    Straw man arguments won’t save you, and neither will broad generalizations. In fact, substitute the prophet Muhammed and Islam for a few of the nouns in your post and you’d have a death threat on your head faster than you can say fatwa.

  9. Scottc51 says:

    Obama has fueled this with his weakness. Certainly, they don’t all hate us. But they all seem to either hate us, or stand passively by as those who hate us attack and kill.

  10. “Straw man arguments won’t save you, and neither will broad generalizations”

    Oh, the irony, coming from the author of “radical islamists kill and/ or seek to subjugate atheists, Christians, Jews, and people of all other religious beliefs, as well as muslims of differing sects, with equal vigor”.

    Thanks for the great laugh!

  11. Sonofwashington says:

    I fail to see any distinction between zealot Islamists, Christians, Jews, Atheists, or Satan worshippers who strike out in blind hatred all under the guise that they are serving their “god” or some inspired “truth”.

    To be clear, what I am speaking out against is the kind of Islamophobia, demogaguery and generalizations that only fuel an already incendiary situation.

    President Obama is trying to take a reasoned tack, to show respect for Muslims, and all faiths for that matter, while also taking a hard line against terrorists regardless of their faith. If so-called Christians actually believe in their creed to love all of God’s creation, they will support President Obama. But I hear too many voices that just want to strike out in self-righteous indignation at Muslims in general. In that respect, Christian zealots are no less evil than Muslim zealots because they are motivated by hate, not love.

  12. MyBandito says:

    Sonofwashington- Bravo!

  13. ‘Obama fueled this with his weakness’ – guess Bush never invaded two Muslim Countries, or if he did it had nothing to do with the current jihad

  14. If knowing your enemy is necessary for winning a war, the idiots who paint all of Islam with one brush have doomed us to defeat.

  15. sonofwashington, yeah! Those nasty Christians are attacking people all over the world! You are a ding bat! Why don’t you head on over to Afganistan and rub elbows with these innocent islamists? Maybe we’ll see your head on the chopping block next. jeeeeez!

  16. scott0962 says:

    So by the author’s logic since the actions of a radical minority stereotype the group as a whole then becuase a Christian pastor in Florida burned Korans and some idiot Coptic Christian made an insulting movie about Islam then all Christians must be out to insult Islam. That type of reasoning is no better than that used by the protestors at our embassies.

    Muslims are no more “friends of America” than Christians or Jews or any other religious group are our friends. There are some who are our friends and some who aren’t, and some who are our “friends” when their interests happen to coincide with ours but otherwise couldn’t care less about us. That is the way of the world.

  17. I have a question for all of you apologists for terrorists. Would you feel safe as a soldier walking patrol in front of an Afgan soldier with a loaded weopon to your back?

  18. Bb, so you bury your head in the sand?

  19. charliebucket says:

    well said torinaga, scott0962 and sonofwashington. bravo.

  20. Thousand plus years of jihad and hate. Not a stereotype but a part of life in the ME.

    Odd to see leftists bend over backwards for a group that stones women and kill gays.

  21. JLSchweizer says:

    Islam isn’t America’s friend? Neither is ignorance.

  22. LeePHilI says:

    frosty says:
    Sep. 18, 2012 at 3:22 pm sonofwashington, yeah! Those nasty Christians are attacking people all over the world!

    Well, I don’t know about “all over the world” but they’ve got a reputation for killing people in the United States by bombing medical clinics. Then, of course, there was the reign of terror by the KKK, who were basically excused by the political leaders and judges of the Southern states.

    CT8 says:
    Sep. 18, 2012 at 3:54 pm Thousand plus years of jihad and hate.

    History class failed you again. Or YOU failed. Christianity has their history of murder and hate as well.

  23. torinaga says:


    As a citizen, how would you react if there was an occupation of your land by a force that culturally very different from your own and is vastly superior in firepower and resources. This force had overthrown a government that you might or might not have agreed with, and they didn’t necessarily do it out of concern for your well being. Where would your loyalties lie? Now ask that question for each person in the room you will quickly see why this is a much more complex issues than has been stated thus far in this thread.

    It is easy to label this as an issue of religion, but it is equally inaccurate. There are a groups of fundamentalists who want to impose their will on the world. Religion does not cause this. Biology does. There are chemicals in some people’s brains that drive them to conquest or that allow them to kill for ideas. These people tend to rise up into power because they want to control things. They used any device they can to gain advantage. One of those tools is religion, sure but there are many other factors. Nationalism, tribalism, nihilsm, sex, power, money, security, the list goes on.

    I believe our current course has been an attempt to ferret these people out, and I am at a loss to determine what another one would be. If you carry your vision of foreign policy to its logical end where does it leave world?

  24. Numbers matter. As I’ve pointed out on other threads, yes there have been particular reactions from Christians against anti-Christian stuff, but nothing in size to compare to what’s happened in this situation in N Africa…nothing embraced by thousands of people AND there is not a significant chance that “radicals” from these groups are in positions of influence and leadership such as The Muslim Brotherhood.

    One needn’t be speaking from a place of generalized hate to sound a tocsin about the anti-American sentiments represented in these riots, and one more time for good measure, they have very little to do with that stupid little tasteless video.

  25. LeePHilI says:

    Jihad has the literal meaning of exerting our best and greatest effort to achieve something. It is not the equivalent of war, for which the Arabic word is qital. Jihad has a much wider connotation and embraces every kind of striving in God’s cause. A mujahid is one who is sincerely devoted to his or her cause; who uses all physical, intellectual, and spiritual resources to serve it; who confront any power that stands in its way; and, when necessary, dies for this cause. Jihad in the way of God is our struggle to win God’s good pleasure, to establish His religion’s supremacy, and to make His Word prevail.

    Let’s try to avoid misusing terms.

  26. sumyungboi says:

    son: “I fail to see any distinction between zealot Islamists, Christians, Jews, Atheists, or Satan worshippers who strike out in blind hatred all under the guise that they are serving their “god” or some inspired “truth”.”

    When Bill Mahar lives in hiding because a bounty is put on his head, when westerners begin randomly shooting muzlims just because, or when christian churches begin celebrating a video of of some muzlim getting his head sawed of with a dull knife, well, you may be on to something. Until then, you’re a loon.

  27. Bb, so you bury your head in the sand?

    Quite the opposite – I have become informed about the Wahhabi apostasy that feeds the violent minority that lashes out at everyone – starting with all of Islam that does not agree with their stone age fundamentalism – that is not actively trying to destroy all the gains of liberalism – you know, pluralistic, non-theocratic constitutional democratic republics.

  28. truthbusterguy says:

    There is only one solution, MELT SAND!!!!

  29. charliebucket says:

    well said beerboy.

    also, well said lee: whoever claims Christians don’t kill people is full of it.

  30. LeePHilI says:

    Truthbuster….I agree.

    Right after you set foot on that sand.

    when christian churches begin celebrating a video of of some muzlim getting his head sawed of with a dull knife

    Well…no mosque has celebrated such. The one vicious beheading wasn’t done with a dull knife, but don’t let those facts get in the way of your hyperbole.

    I do believe you’ll find celebration in the killing of a doctor in Kansas, though….

  31. took14theteam says:

    “Let’s try to avoid misusing terms.”

    And the beat goes on…

    Comedy Gold!

    Thanks for the laugh!

    And all the other Clichés…..

  32. Gains of liberalism? Unsustainable debt?

  33. LeePHilI says:

    The Founding Fathers were liberals.

    Failed History again, huh?

  34. charliebucket says:

    Lee, there are many many examples of Christians killing others, and each other, not just one doctor. The crusades, Northern Ireland, the middle east… just a few examples. History is chock full of the murderous ways of religious zealots.

    Was Tim McVeigh a Christian? How about Hitler? The KKK?

    hmmm…..chock full. Any history majors here to list them all?

  35. took14theteam says:

    And the beat goes on…

    Welcome back again Charlie.

    I hope you aren’t going to cal the FBI this time around.

  36. Sonofwashington says:

    I’m sure one could document dozens of atrocities by those claiming allegiance to any of the great religions. If one scores lower than another on the atrocity count I don’t see how that mitigates their evil acts in any way.

    I think that is doubly applicable to those Christians who pay reverence to the “Prince of Peace” but spew hatred. Whether one serves God, Allah, Yahweh, or Satan, it makes little difference to those one has slain and makes the act no less evil.

  37. This line of atheist liberal thinking is asinine.

    Most people for the last 2000+ years have been religious.

    Our current Commander in Chief claims he is religious. Does that mean his drone strikes and kill lists are based on allegiance to something other than the nation? Of course not.

    This anti-religion streak in the far left is great political strategy. Please keep it up!

  38. charliebucket says:

    I am a Christian, for the record.

  39. I fail to see any distinction between zealot Islamists, Christians, Jews, Atheists, or Satan worshippers etc, etc, etc…

    And you also failed to mention any other belief or non-beilief in your original post. You singled out Christians – more specifically “right-wing Christians” as being eager to “(take) on Muslims everywhere as our enemy”. At a minimum that’s a broad brush statement, but I’d call it pure un-pasteurized hyperbole.

    Hundreds, probably thousands of examples of violence can be easily attributed to islamic movements and causes over the course of recent history. No objective person of any faith or non-faith can honestly deny that fact. Perhaps you could finish your rather weak moral equivalency case with an equal number of examples of Christian violence – or, more specifically, “right-wing Christian” violence.

    It’s duly and appropriately noted that not all muslims agree with the violent actions of islamic radicals. But compared to Christianity, the relatively absent outcry of protestation over such violence in the islamic community at large is deafening.

    Sorry, there is no moral equivalency. And the problem of radical islam will only get worse the longer political correctness dictates that we may not speak out or take action against it.

    Like JLSchweizer said, “Islam isn’t America’s friend? Neither is ignorance.”

    Well said.

  40. BlaineCGarver says:

    After you realize that SOW (ironic initials) hates religion as much as he hates America, everything falls logically into place. It’s time to pick a side.

  41. Sonofwashington says:

    Actually religion is a human phenomena that has been around since the evolution of mankind, many, many millenia before the advent of Christianity. It can serve the best instincts of mankind or justify the worst (check out the Old Testament). But over the course of history, I think there is a difficult case to be made that religion has done more good than bad for mankind.

    Many modern day Christians, Jews, and Muslims do good works and live out good and caring lives within the context of their religion, but too often those inclined to evil use their religion to justify it.

    Also, because each religion claims to have ultimate “truth” based on ancient beliefs, they must deny science and enforce ignorance for fear that questioning by the faithful will undercut the power of the church. They also want to invoke the power of the government to impose their “truths” on others, effectively invoking a theocracy, anathema to democracy as we know it.

  42. Stones women and kills gays – sounds like there is common cause here between jihadist and republicans.

    Sumy – In America we shot blacks, Indians, and Chinese based for no other reason than they were not white or true chrisitans.

    CT – unsustainable debt due to Republican Fiscal Conservatism.

  43. bobcat1a says:

    truthbuster, if melt sand is the best you can come up with, I feel sorry for a supposed adult who is limited to such puerile asininity. You seem to have a fascination with the thought of turning America into THE international pariah of all human history

  44. aislander says:

    “The Founding Fathers were liberals.”

    That HAS to be near the top of the list for the all-time stupidest comments ever to appear on this forum…

  45. aislander says:
  46. Sonofwashington says:

    Here’s another stupid comment for you, Aislander:

    “As Mankind becomes more liberal, they will be more apt to allow that all those who conduct themselves as worthy members of the community are equally entitled to the protections of civil government. I hope ever to see America among the foremost nations of justice and liberality.” – Geo. Washington

    The founding fathers were indeed liberals and the conservatives of the time were the Tories who felt the colonies should maintain allegiance with the crown. Conservatives have fought every liberal/progressive effort since then, to include the end of slavery, women’s sufferage, child labor laws, labor standards, civil rights, women’s rights, environmental protection, trade protection, bank regulations, security and exchange regulation, social security, Medicare, Medicaid, unemployment, foodstamps, and on and on.

    To be fair, I’m sure conservatives have something to be proud of in their history; I just can’t think of one right now.

    BTW, the greatest liberal to ever walk the face of the earth was a dude called Jesus of Nazareth.

  47. aislander says:

    The stupidity lay in the implication that the classical liberalism of the Founders is in any way related to the coercive, parasitical, and destructive creature now known as “liberalism.”

  48. Sonofwashington says:

    Of course that’s the right-wing demogaguery of liberalism. And you forgot the obvious reference to “socialism” and “communism”. You have to throw in those emotion-laden terms so that the vast majority who don’t have the foggiest what those words mean, somehow know they are “really bad” things.

    I mean, it would be like me suggesting that the essential aim of the contemporary conservative movement is to turnover our democracy to the corporate interests and equating that to “fascism”. What a calumny!

  49. aislander says:

    We don’t HAVE a democracy, and I am certainly opposed to corporatism, which IS a hallmark of fascism, by the way.

    The Founders were not collectivists–quite the opposite–and I’ll leave it at that…

  50. And I’ll never forgive the Muslims for giving us Algebra and the other forms of tortuous mathematics that plagued my schooldays.

  51. MyBandito says:

    Conservatives aren’t all that conservative.

  52. Moir, you left off hospitals. Thanks for pointing out out they have exported nothing but oil and violence for the last thousand years.

  53. LeePHilI says:

    “lib·er·al   /ˈlɪbərəl, ˈlɪbrəl/ Show Spelled[lib-er-uhl, lib-ruhl] Show IPA
    1. favorable to progress or reform, as in political or religious affairs.
    2. ( often initial capital letter ) noting or pertaining to a political party advocating measures of progressive political reform.
    3. of, pertaining to, based on, or advocating liberalism.
    4. favorable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, especially as guaranteed by law and secured by governmental protection of civil liberties.
    5. favoring or permitting freedom of action, especially with respect to matters of personal belief or expression: a liberal policy toward dissident artists and writers.

    Sounds an awful lot like the Founding Fathers to me…..

    Maybe the “stupidest comment” is the one that comes from he who lacks the ability to look before speaking.

    Mitt Romney would be proud

  54. liberal. spend other people’s money. Burn the flag. Hate the military.

  55. nwcolorist2 says:

    For the record, Muslims didn’t invent mathematics. They encountered it during the Islamic conquests into China in the 7th and 8th centuries AD.

    “The Hindu-Arabic numeral system and the rules for the use of its operations, in use throughout the world today, likely evolved over the course of the first millennium AD in India and was transmitted to the west via Islamic mathematics.”


  56. I see the revisionist historians are putting their special left spin on definitions again.

    Son, first of all I’m wondering if you’re even aware that there has never been an American Tory party. The “Tories” were loyalists who sided with the Crown in the revolution, and largely fled to Canada afterward. The fact that there existed, both then and now, a political party in the UK known as the Tory party has nothing to do with formation of political parties and philosophies in the early USA.

    You then go on to cite George Washington, using a quote wherein he is obviously referring to classic liberalism (a phrase both you and Larry need to familiarize yourselves with before ai makes you look foolish). Are you even aware he was a Federalist? Do you know anything about Federalists? Evidently not. So let’s just say they were not the liberal party of the day.

    Now, kindly go study a bit of American Government history – test tomorrow.


  57. “the problem of radical islam will only get worse the longer political correctness dictates that we may not speak out or take action against it.

    Onward Christian soldiers,
    marching as to war.
    With the cross of Jesus
    going on before.

  58. nwcolorist2 says:

    Religiphobia is a mental disease.

  59. averageJose says:

    Strawman > “the idiots who paint all of Islam with one brush…”

  60. modyfied says:


    The Qur’an:

    Qur’an (16:106) – Establishes that there are circumstances that can “compel” a Muslim to tell a lie.

    Qur’an (3:28) – This verse tells Muslims not to take those outside the faith as friends, unless it is to “guard themselves.”

    Qur’an (9:3) – “…Allah and His Messenger are free from liability to the idolaters…” The dissolution of oaths with the pagans who remained at Mecca following its capture. They did nothing wrong, but were evicted anyway.

    Qur’an (40:28) – A man is introduced as a believer, but one who must “hide his faith” among those who are not believers.

    Qur’an (2:225) – “Allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness in your oaths, but for the intention in your hearts” The context of this remark is marriage, which explains why Sharia allows spouses to lie to each other for the greater good.

    Qur’an (66:2) – “Allah has already ordained for you, (O men), the dissolution of your oaths”

    Qur’an (3:54) – “And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them): and Allah is the best of schemers.” The Arabic word used here for scheme (or plot) is makara, which literally means deceit. If Allah is deceitful toward unbelievers, then there is little basis for denying that Muslims are allowed to do the same. (See also 8:30 and 10:21)

    Taken collectively these verses are interpreted to mean that there are circumstances when a Muslim may be “compelled” to deceive others for a greater purpose.

    Wake up people. When their text, their “ALLAH” allows them to lie, how do I trust them, or ANY religious sect that interprets gods law in mans image?

    Personally, I’ll keep my distance, keep a wary eye, and a pound of bacon to keep my enemies at bay….

  61. harleyrider1 says:

    Thanks for speaking out John.

    If anyone believes differently, they should take their family and vacation in Muslim countries. You know – practice what you preach. Yes, seriously.

    I served in the Marines and no matter where one goes in the world, if you are from America, you want to come home. If you aren’t from America, you want to come here.

  62. CT8 – I am a progressive who choice to serve in the military, never burnt the Flag, and spend only my own money.

    Any more stupid right wing lies you need debunked.

    aJo – prejudice = to paint all judge all members of a group based on the actions of some of the group.

  63. modyfied says:

    alindasue says:

    “We have Muslims here in the USA, loyally serving our country in the armed forces. ”

    Yeah, we’ve seen in the news recently of the results in Afghanistan….

    so what you’re saying is “keep your friends close, but your enemies closer”?

  64. nwcolorist2 says:

    modyfied, be careful, taking verses out of context is risky.

  65. X- you choose to lie in bed with those dirtbags.

  66. Exactly Harleyrider. Our system is flawed, of course, because human beings are flawed. But all the anti-American rhetoric from Americans pains me. There is a reason people are drawn to our shores. I pray that we don’t progress in such a direction that we lose what makes us unique in all the world.

    For those of you who have pointed out the sins of Christians against others, please note that reform and redemption have wrought great changes throuhout history in this arena, and yet, in the middle east, there remains among many, a dedication to the primitive directives to destroy all that is in opposition to the truths of Islam. I find it ironic that self-appointed “progressives” are so supportive of regressive ideals.

  67. Sonofwashington says:

    Sozo – So are you equating the defense of peace-loving Muslims to be “anti-American”. If one is not sufficiently Islamophobic in your eyes, then one is not a true American, right?

    FYI, liberals believe in the AMERICAN constitutional provision of freedom of religion and in that respect, we fight the stereotypes that demagogues thrive upon. Remember the great demagoguery of Jews by the Germans in the 1930’s? Incredible generalizations and unbased accusations were made about them and they hadn’t even attacked Germany. The leadership just needed a bogeyman to incite the public.

    As a wise man once said, “Judge not, lest ye be judged.”

  68. Frankenchrist says:

    Mitt Romney is not America’s friend, either. He is, however, a great friend of China, Switzerland, and the Cayman Islands.

    The wheels are coming off the Romney campaign. The GOP is scratching it’s head and asking, “How did we get stuck with this idiot?”

  69. alindasue says:

    modyfied said, “Yeah, we’ve seen in the news recently of the results in Afghanistan….”

    That’s not the same thing and you know it. What happened in Afghanistan was Afghan troops turning on American troops, not Muslim-American soldiers turning on fellow American soldiers.

    Our soldiers are serving our country well regardless of their religion. We do a disservice to those of our soldiers who are Muslim when we lump them in with the extremists.

  70. Like Maj Hassan?

  71. MarksonofDarwin says:


    I like this and agree:

    “I have become informed about the Wahhabi apostasy that feeds the violent minority that lashes out at everyone – starting with all of Islam that does not agree with their stone age fundamentalism – that is not actively trying to destroy all the gains of liberalism – you know, pluralistic, non-theocratic constitutional democratic republics

    You’re talking about Israel…right? *emoticon of your choice*

  72. ct8 – YOU just called the American Military DIRTBAGS.

    What does that make you.

    Sozo – yes human people are flawed – but corporate people are not which is why they should not be requlated.

  73. MoD – you trying to “bait the bear”?

    Israel, like the US, has a very vocal fundamentalist (or Orthodox) minority that attempts to impose its viewpoint upon the rest of the society. The religious have, imo, too much influence (in both countries).

    btw – this is the emoticon I chose:

  74. alindasue says:

    CT8 said, “Like Maj Hassan?”

    Like Timothy McVeigh. A nutcase is a nutcase, regardless of religion.

    According to a 2001 Seattle PI article, there are upwards of 15,000 Muslims serving in the US armed forces.

    The current stated number may be less due to the fact that soldiers don’t have to state their religions and don’t in the current climate.

    The point though is that out of thousands of Muslim soldiers, maybe a dozen or so have been a problem. If you count the headlines over the last few years, you’ll probably find just as many not-Muslim nutcases in uniform who have killed fellow soldiers as Muslim ones.

  75. “So are you equating the defense of peace-loving Muslims to be “anti-American”.

    In a word, no.

  76. MarksonofDarwin says:


    Me? Poke the bear? I’m not doing th….yea, I’m doing that!

    It is sad that there are no true Scotsmen, but I am happy that both countries have human civil rights codified in law, whether or not those rights go against the religious beliefs of a portion of the population.

    I like your choice of emoticon too. I may have put the sticking out the tongue one, but that might have crossed the line!!

  77. Sonofwashington says:

    That is reasurring Sozo, but I remain confused about your reference to “anti-American rhetoric”. In the context of the thread your remark seemed aimed at non-haters of Islam. But perhaps it was to liberals in general. I don’t want to spin your words. Just looking for clarity on what a “real American” is in your terms.

  78. The difference, Alindasue, is their motivation. Maybe you are one that sees the Fort Hood incident as routine ‘workplace violence’ vs an overt act of terrorism driven by extremist Islam.

    Bb, can you really talk about religious states and ignore the Islamic nations? Very selective and ridiculous.

  79. sandblower says:

    Asking sozo to define “true American” would be like asking Mitt to define democracy.
    The author’s generalizations are simply stupid.

  80. Sonofwashington says:

    BTW, CT8, did you see where Sen. Tom Coburn (R) and senate minority leader, Mitch McConnell, stopped a bi-partisan Veterans Jobs bill in the senate today. Quite obviously these wonderful patriots would rather sacrifice the welfare of these veterans than to let President Obama get any credit whatsoever for adding a few more jobs.

    You wonder how reprehensible can these people can get but then it’s examplary of the Republican Party since President Obama was elected. They are so power hungry they will sacrifice the needs of the people and the well-being of America for political gain. None dare call it treason, but it surely borders on it.

  81. aislander says:

    The First Amendment, with its “freedom of religion” limits government, not private individuals, and is applicable to American soil, not the Middle East and elsewhere…

    As for the teachings of Jesus, they were directed toward the behavior of individuals exercising free choice, NOT toward governmental policy.

    And that last is the major difference between Judaism and Christianity, and the governmental religion of Islam…

  82. Tell the whole story.

    “Sen. Tom Coburn of Oklahoma said the federal government already has six job-training programs for veterans and there is no way to know how well they are working. He argued that making progress on the country’s debt was the best way to help veterans in the long-term.”


    You fell for staged vote on a bill they knew they could not pass. What a joke. How low of the dems using vets as a prop.

    As a veteran of Iraq and Afghanistan, I trust my own knowledge of the system more then NYT’s.

  83. aislander says:

    So…sandblower…if it would be so difficult for Romney to define, why don’t you tell us what democracy means to you?

  84. “As for the teachings of Jesus, they were directed toward the behavior of individuals exercising free choice, NOT toward governmental policy.”

    Good luck trying to get folks to actually grasp this simple truth, aislander.

    My reference to anti-American rhetoric was aimed at people who have the distinct privilege of living in America and yet seem to chronically hold their beloved country in disdain.

    Do not misunderstand me; I am not in favor of blind, sentimental patriotism. I believe in accountability and I believe there are many things that have gone awry in this country as a result of man’s inherent brokenness. And yet, there is no better place on this earth to live, to work, to play and to raise a family, and that’s due to the fact that we’ve retained fundamental values that I feel are now in danger of a thoroughgoing transformation if left in the hand of 21st Century liberals.

    I am especially irritated when people who have enjoyed the fat of the land (particularly for doing little more than entertaining the masses, yes I mean Hollywood)are the first to take pot shots at American prosperity. That is the epitome of hypocrisy.

  85. yes I mean Hollywood

    Except, of course, the Hollywood entertainers who support your point of view….

    You have some very large, generalized boogeymen made of straw.

    I find the social/political regressive mantra that those who support public policy that is different than yours is “anti-American” extremely small-minded, offensive and….anti-American.

  86. falkoja6 says:

    Least you forget…

    1. In 1968, Bobby Kennedy
    was shot and killed
    by a Muslim male.

    2. In 1972 at the Munich Olympics,
    athletes were kidnapped and massacred
    by Muslim males.

    3. In 1972 a Pan Am 747 was hijacked and eventually diverted to Cairo where a fuse was lit on final approach and it was blown up shortly after landing
    by Muslim males.

    4. In 1973 a Pan Am 707 was destroyed
    in Rome , with 33 people killed, when it
    was attacked with grenades
    by Muslim males.

    5. In 1979, the US embassy
    in Iran was taken over
    by Muslim males.

    6A. During the 1980’s a number of Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon
    by Muslim males.

    6B. In 1981, Pope John Paul II was shot by a Muslim male; miraculously
    the Pope survived.

    7. In 1983, both the US Embassy and the US Marine barracks in Beirut
    were blown up by Muslim males.

    8. In 1985, the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked and a 70 year old American passenger was murdered and thrown overboard in his wheelchair
    by Muslim males.

    9. In 1985, TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens , and a US Navy diver trying to rescue passengers was murdered
    by Muslim males.

    10. In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was
    by Muslim males.

    11. In 1993, the World Trade Center
    was bombed the first time
    by Muslim males.

    12. In 1998, the US embassies in
    Kenya and Tanzania were bombed
    by Muslim males.

    13. On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked;two were used as missiles to take down the World Trade Centers and of the remaining two, one crashed into the US Pentagon and the other was diverted and crashed by the passengers. Thousands of people were killed
    by Muslim males.

    14. In 2002, the United States
    fought a war in Afghanistan
    against Muslim males.

    15. In 2002, reporter Daniel Pearl
    was kidnapped and beheaded by—
    you guessed it—
    Muslim males.

    What don’t you bleeding hearts understand????

  87. aislander says:

    Don’t forget the Egyptair flight that was crashed by its co-pilot, who was shouting “allah akbar” as the plane went down and TWA flight 800, which many believe was shot down by a SAM missile…

  88. OH PLEASE!

    Let’s just go through all of the assassinations of public figures in American history and compare how many were committed by Christians to the one Muslim you identified.

    And then, let’s go through recent history and compare the atrocities committed by Christians.

    Your attempt to prove that Muslims, as a class, are somehow more apt to commit terrorist acts only demonstrates your vile bigotry. It is no more convincing that the antisemitic arguments made to justify the Holocaust.

  89. Are you for real, bBoy? And who here is suggesting an ethnic cleansing equal to The Holocaust? What is the term you like to pull with references to Hitler?

    Crawl out of your proferssorial garb and just look at the reality of what is going on in our world today, right now, including the latest news about what happened to the ambassador to Libya, a man who lauded Arab Spring.

    I frankly don’t give a rat’s rear end about your neeener-neener comparison of statistics at the moment. What I do care about is that we are witnessing blatant, fearless assaults on U.S. citizens by a group of people who clearly hate us and have zero respect for us. And the list provided above reminds us that this hatred goes back a long way and has zero to do with a video produced by a couple of lamebrains in Hollywood.

    Doesn’t mean I want to round up all Muslims and gas them; it means I want a president who’s not afraid to stand up to these thugs and bullies and call evil by its real name.

  90. Pecksbadboy says:

    Sorry Piggy, Reagan is long dead and buried. The B movie actor only did with the military industrial complex asked him to do and not even very well at that.

    Please enjoy living in the past I feel you will be with your past very soon.

  91. If beerboy and his kind get it their way, they will all be carrying prayer mats around and flogging themselves with chains and spikes. I trust absolutely no Muslim as far as I can throw one. It’s taken a lot of deaths on our side from “friendly” forces until these idiot’s leading our military and government finally said “no more joint operations”!. Really? What in the hell took so long? One needs only to ask, what would George Patton have done? I think the answer is obvious, he was not a politically correct sissie like some of our current commanders.

  92. pecksbadboy, you need a history lesson. If you’re lucky enough to survive until we finally get a real president, you’ll be able to read in the history books how Obama pulled the wool over the eyes of the useful idiots who voted for him. Obama isn’t fit to shine Reagan’s shoes.

  93. How could the TNT print this hateful letter? Don’t they realize there are a lot of loyal Muslim Americans? Wow. This paper is really scraping the bottom of the barrel when it comes to letters.

  94. Yep sozo – expressions of anti-Muslim feelings are every bit as hateful as anti-semitism, racism, and any other anti-minority expression that this country so thrives upon.

    Open your eyes.

    Realize that the “muzzies” that your side fear is a tiny group of apostates who have taken a heretical read of their scriptures in order to justify their vile existence. AND realize that they target all who don’t believe just as they do – they want a world where all believe as they do, act as they do, ruled by (their interpretation of) scripture. And they target, first and foremost, all the rest of Islam.

    AND open your eyes to realize that this extreme fundamentalist (mis)read of scripture is only part of what is going on – in Libya and Egypt (and, indeed, almost all of what was colonialized Africa) are dealing with extreme injustices, huge disparities of wealth, tyrannical regimes (that oftentimes have remained in power because the US covets their oil).

    So yes, when I read vile generalizations about Muslims I am thoroughly disgusted.

  95. Uhmm, Inubav, the letter, indeed Pitts column, is not addressing faith in this country. The fact you consider the letter “hateful”, when in fact it contains no “hateful” rhetoric, is a bit over the top, don’t you think?

    And I’m curios to know if you could explain the difference between “Allah” and “God”… I mean, especially considering the God of Christianity, Judaism, and Islam are one in the same.

    The point of the letter and column is that thinking Americans – of any religion or non-belief – are tired of Muslims persistently justifying naked violence with the lame excuses such as being “offended” by a book, a cartoon, a movie, an Op-Ed piece, etc, etc, etc, etc. And many of us are tired of the current administration’s incessant apologizing for same.

    Try using a bit of proper perspective. You can use this forum as a rant for your own religious intolerance if you like, after all, this is a free country. But try writing a similar opinion about Islam in a similar forum in… say, Egypt, to name just one Muslim country.

    Outside of any fanatical Mosque you choose to visit, no rational human being can possibly draw a moral equivalency between any actions of the EVIL so-called “religious right” and the voluminous examples of violence spurred by religious intolerance in the Muslim world.

    Not “hate”, just fact.

  96. aislander says:

    Lefties, as with violent moslems supposedly reacting to the video, are in the business of taking offense. They also share an antipathy toward Western civilization…

    (“Hey, hey; ho, ho: western culture’s got to go!”)
    Chant heard at a protest led by Jesse Jackson

  97. “Muslims persistently justifying naked violence with the lame excuses such as being “offended” by a book…”

    Another generalization from someone who earlier said ““Straw man arguments won’t save you, and neither will broad generalalizations”.

    Thanks for once again proving yourself to be wrong.

  98. averageJose says:

    Watching bB & co. twist and spin trying to equate muslims to the Christians of today is comedy gold.

    Another knee slapper is Barry trying equate the Arab Spring to the fall of the Berlin Wall.

  99. Anything to attack me. My favorite lovable stalker/ troll is not only showing incredible reach, but the usual flair for delusion.

    Hey mole, have you found that link yet?

    NPR had a reporter at the demonstrations in Egypt, and asked the Egyptian bystanders what they thought of the demonstrators. The most common response was “the demonstrators are morons.”

    Yep’, no straw man there, LMAO! “Morons”, indeed.

  100. Hey, Clammie, do you know what the “R” in NPR stands for? I’ll wait until you figure it out. But I won’t hold my breath.

  101. the “muzzies” that your side fear is a tiny group of apostates who have taken a heretical read of their scriptures in order to justify their vile existence.”

    You mean like the tiny group reported today on NBC, the “tens of thousands” rioting in Pakistan, that tiny group?

  102. averageJose says:

    Speaking of Pakistan… did anyone else hear about the Obama admin speading American tax dollars to air a commercial apologizing?

    They do not fear us… they are laughing their a$$es off at our incompetence.

    Saw an Obama effigy being burned today.

  103. averageJose says:

    … a commercial in Pakistan.

  104. Hey mole, do you know what the “M” in “made up” stands for?

    I love how you put it in quotes too, mole. Nice touch.

    I heard NPR had a reporter at the demonstrations in Egypt, and asked the Egyptian bystanders what they thought of the demonstrators. The most common response was “the Americans are morons.”

    Of course, I can’t provide a link to that quote either – you’ll just have to take my word for it.

  105. Thanks for admitting that you don’t know what the “R” in NPR stands for. It stands for Radio.

    I heard the story on the radio, and the last time I checked, radios don’t have URLs.

  106. Yep, all those Muslims hate us. They hate us so much that yesterday, they stormed the compound of the Islamic extremist militia suspected in the consulate attack, evicting the militia and setting fire to their building.


  107. By the way, Clammie. Did you notice that I posted a link to Fox News? I knew you wouldn’t believe it if it came from anywhere else.

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