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ELECTION: Romney’s a slow-motion train wreck

Letter by Chuck Burton, Steilacoom on Sep. 13, 2012 at 4:13 pm with 114 Comments »
September 14, 2012 10:04 am

I dislike the current tendency to hyperbole, but having been a political observer since the ’60s I can state with confidence that I have never seen a more spectacular train wreck than the Romney campaign.

Many readers despise the president, but most honest observers would agree that given his vulnerability and situation, Barack Obama has run a crisp and efficient campaign.

Considering that Mitt Romney is presenting himself primarily as a successful businessman, this display of utter incompetence is stupefying. Voters may wish to think deeply before putting him and his staff at the helm of the nation.

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  1. After BHO was elected on pure emotion and orating skills?

    You are basing your decision on the campaign staff? Axelrod is why you vote “D” every elction? Chuck, you have shown nothing with this letter but emotion. No facts or reason.

  2. RE: the Cairo and Libyan 9/11 riots and Romney’s tweets/comments

    I find it really sad that Romney and various internet supporters appear to be so gleeful at the loss of American lives as they think they can spin this against the President.

    It makes you stop and wonder….just who is being anti-American here?

  3. “After BHO was elected on pure emotion and orating skills?”

    Excellent use of the “but all the other kids are doing it” excuse. What are you, eight?

    “Chuck, you have shown nothing with this letter but emotion. No facts or reason”

    Say the person who didn’t post one single fact.

    ROFL – you crack me up!

  4. The fact is he is a total failure. Quantified by every conservative poster for the last 3 years.

    BB- I have seen anger and disappointment, not glee.

  5. charliebucket says:

    Man, you just can’t make this stuff up. Obama is a complete failure because every conservative poster says he is. Just, wow.

  6. So disappointed in this comment from you bboy suggesting that Romney supporters are “so gleeful at the loss of American lives as they think they can spin this against the President.”

    If you actually believe that folks are gleeful at this occurrence, you are far more biased, dare I say, warped than I thought you were.

    Romney, and every other American citizen has every right and in fact should call the president regarding the admin response to this situation. What do you make of a president who carries on with his fundraising efforts in Vegas and compares his volunteers to the folks who gave their lives this week? I suppose that’s not appropriating tragedy for one’s own ends.

    I am stunned at the rush to say that any of this was caused by that stupid tasteless movie by the way.

    Why can’t people see the irony in this situation? Where in this world is one allowed to make such a movie and show it without fear of death threats and repurcussions? In the U.S. of course. Where a movie does exist that suggests a sexual relationship between Jesus and Mary Magdalene; where artwork depicting Christ in a vat of urine was supported by the National Endowment for the Arts.

    Why? Because we actually believe in freedom even when the practice of it repulses us at times. It’s why we let skinheads and dopeheads throw parades and camp out in parks.

    While I’m letting off steam, permit me to also point out to the crybaby women in this country what a real “war on women.” Look to the east.

    But for heaven’s sake, let’s all make nice and apologize one more time to the very people who slaughter women for loosening their veils or speaking to another man. Let’s rail against those in the U.S. who cannot support gay marriage, and bow to those who kill gay men and cut off the hands of thieves.

    Someone recently accused me here of being angry and I said that I was not. Well today I am, and sick to death of the duplicitous nonsense I hear from so-called leaders in our culture. And I make no apology for it.

    We look and sound like a bunch of idiots to the rest of the world and are too full of ourselves to even know it.

  7. charliebucket says:

    Sozo, I agree with much (not all) of your comment. Some of it is too much hyperbole for me and stereotyping, but, I digress.

    BUT, Romney blamed Obama for something Obama did not say and politicized the event for personal gain. That’s the long and short of the problem with Romney for me.

    Further, our Cairo embassy was trying to calm nerves over the awful film and it looks like they were right on. They, being in the Muslim world, knew how inciteful the film would be in an already tense part of the world we are trying to live in peace with. Free speech applies first and foremost to American citizens’ rights to speak out about OUR govt. It also applies, with limits, to the freedom we enjoy as you pointed out, but does mean that you can just shout out whatever you want whenever you want and damn the consequences. Just because you can, doesn’t mean you should. NOBODY condones or accepts the violence or the extreme reaction or is apologizing for free speech or American values. Nobody did before, or since, this event happened and for Romney to attack Obama with this falsehood is just plain dishonest. IMHO.

  8. old_benjamin says:

    Nice to hear from you, Chuck, and be careful out there in outer space.

    If Romey’s campain is a train wreck, Obama’s presidency is an earthquake/tsunami/nuclear meltdown a la Japan 2011.

  9. averageJose says:

    Chuck… “but

    Good one. LOL… “honest observers” would admit, in light of some of the quotes worshipping Obama and what he has done to the country in less than 4 years, the trainwreck analogy is applicable to him.

    “This was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal.” or not
    Barack Obama

    “This president has brought us out of the dark and into the light.”
    Michelle Obama

    “No one saw him coming, and Christians believe God comes at us from strange angles and places we don’t expect, like Jesus being born in a manger.”
    Lawrence Carter

    “Many even see in Obama a messiah-like figure, a great soul, and some affectionately call him Mahatma Obama.”
    Dinesh Sharma

    “We just like to say his name. We are considering taking it as a mantra.”
    Chicago Sun-Times (there’s some fair and balanced journalism… LOL)

    “Not just an ordinary human being but indeed an Advanced Soul”
    Commentator (former “choom gang” member?) @ Chicago Sun Times

    “Does it not feel as if some special hand is guiding Obama on his journey, I mean, as he has said, the utter improbability of it all?”
    Daily Kos

    “I’ll do whatever he says to do. I’ll collect paper cups off the ground to make his pathway clear.”
    Halle Berry

    “We’re here to evolve to a higher plane . . . he is an evolved leader . . . [he] has an ear for eloquence and a Tongue dipped in the Unvarnished Truth.”
    Oprah Winfrey

    etc., ect., etc.

  10. charliebucket says:

    Ben you talking to me, chuck? or to chuck the letter writer?

    Anyhwo… My personal finances and my outlook for the direction of our country have never been better than they have the last 4 years so I have to disagree with you ben. I am not that big of an Obama fan but I do not characterize his Presidency as a disaster. He is certainly not perfect and I get it that many dislike him and his policies but that doesn’t make it a disaster, IMO.

    As I like to say: potato, potata

  11. artwork depicting Christ in a vat of urine

    Inaccurate description of Serrano’s notorious work which was a photo of a cheap plastic crucifix in a glass of the artist’s urine.

  12. sozo – when one of the regular’s here posts “Obama, Obama, we are all Osama” I see that as a gleeful swipe at the president. Not sure how you can see it otherwise.

  13. “If you actually believe that folks are gleeful at this occurrence, you are far more biased, dare I say, warped than I thought you were.”

    So were were conservatives “warped” when they accused Democrats of being gleeful at the fiasco in Iraq?

  14. sozo – if you can’t see or won’t admit that Romney’s comments weren’t completely imappropriate I have to conclude that you bias is occluding your vision.

  15. “Romney, and every other American citizen has every right and in fact should call the president regarding the admin response to this situation.”

    Would you have defended a Democrat if they had dared to attack President Bush in a similar manner on 9/11?

  16. Sonofwashington says:

    Average Jose, you cite some fine hyperbole about President Obama (which reminds me of a lot of hyperbole I’ve heard about Reagan from our right-wing friends) and then suggest that Obama is a failure because he can’t meet the lofty hopes expressed. Given that the country was on the brink of financial collapse (thanks to Bush-Cheney and the corporate serving Republicans) when Obama took over and he has had to fight an obstructionist congress determined to stop the President at every turn, it is no small miracle that he’s been able to accomplish what he has.

    But hey, if you want to return the disastrous fiscal policies, never-ending war, and huge tax give aways to Wall Street and corporate America, Romney is your man. And I suspect it won’t take him the 8 years that Bush had to really take America over the cliff given his demonstrated governing, business, and foreign policy acumen.

  17. alindasue says:

    CT8 said, “After BHO was elected on pure emotion and orating skills?”

    Don’t underestimate the importance and power of having good orating skills. They served Ronald Reagan well both as a leader of the United States and in international relations.

    beerBoy,
    Mitt Romney had already shown during his little overseas tour a while back that he lacks a full understanding of how his words not only affect the election but also affect how the USA is perceived and received by foreign governments and peoples…

  18. Bb- are you ignorant to the fact that what you quoted from another poster is from the chants of protesters in the ME?

  19. Sozo wrote: If you actually believe that folks are gleeful at this occurrence, you are far more biased, dare I say, warped than I thought you were.”
    _____________________________________________________

    Ehill responded: So were were conservatives “warped” when they accused Democrats of being gleeful at the fiasco in Iraq?
    ____________________________________________________

    As you chirpped to another poster on this thread, “Excellent use of the “but all the other kids are doing it” excuse. What are you, eight?”
    The shoe seems to fit you perfectly.

  20. menopaws says:

    I am sick of listening to people make excuses for Mr. Romney. What he did, on a day when 4 American lives were lost, was in the words of Joe Scarborough, “craven and obnoxious”……I watched him at that press conference and it was shameful the way he was politicizing this tragedy. You notice that both John Boehner and Mitch McConnell refused to even acknowledge what he did that day……..Congress literally turned their back on him.
    So, make all the excuses you want……….This man is UNFIT to be President. He cannot even figure out the appropriate behavior on a difficult day for Americans, or show proper respect to the families of the fallen. Even members of his own party are jumping ship now……..
    No one else will mention the WHACK job Minister who put this film on YouTube…..This fine example of America who has the blood of our people on his hands………….In our free society this horrible man still walks free while families bury their dead……….I notice not one Republican has stepped up to condemn this piece of garbage………It’s easier to just blame our President than alienate those whack job Christians, isn’t it? He is a terrorist who belongs at Gitmo…….

  21. ct8 – no.

    I question the motivations of a person re-posting anti-American slogans in bold.

  22. I also question the motivations of the management of YouTube who pull videos due to questionable/objectionable content all the time – especially if the content is seen as antisemitic (a correct decision in my opinion) – yet they refuse to pull an anti-Muslim video.

  23. Romney’s campaign’s a train wreck like obama’s campaign and presidency (same thing) is a crisp and efficient like Chuck Burton is an astute, honest, and objective observer like the preceding were not adynata.

  24. Bb, so it should be ignored?

    This was a terrible event and the nightmare in the ME should be a concern for all. That said, we are in election season and in few weeks we will be hiring someone to address this mess. The causes and our reaction need to be discussed.

  25. aislander says:

    I can only thank God that the left didn’t politicize the deaths of Americans during the eight years of Bush…

  26. menopaws says:

    Romney made a HUGE mistake and the polls show how big that mistake was today…………I agree about You tube–in our society we can’t force them to pull it—but they should…..Just because it is the right thing to do………this “censorship” crap is not the issue—the morality of showing something that is putting people in danger….that’s the issue………..It will keep me away from You Tube and we should all send Goggle a letter…they bought the company and need to know how people feel……
    Clamat0—-Trust me, Romney really shot himself in the foot on this one….People look for that “Presidential” moment….They got something pretty ugly instead.

  27. http://m.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

    One of two polls on RCP that reported today (other one was partisan ).

    Where is the turn? They have Romney ahead. And right or wrong, this mess happened on BHOs watch, in nations he encouraged dramatic “change”. What you consider a screw up from Romney is nothing but a fart in the wind. No one will care in November. People will care about the mess (and recall his words 4 years where he assumed the world would love him).

  28. “right or wrong, this mess happened on BHOs watch”

    and 9/11 happened on Bush’s watch. As did the fiasco in Iraq.

  29. “Where is the turn? They have Romney ahead.”

    “WASHINGTON (Reuters) – President Barack Obama is pulling away from rival Mitt Romney in polls in what might be a turning point in the U.S. presidential campaign”

  30. So, bB, based on what one regular on this particular blog said, you conclude that a large number of people are gleeful about this tragedy? Like I said, warped.

    Also, you guys are making me laugh with all your commentary about how just because we CAN do something doesn’t mean we should.

    Anybody for a big dose of double standard?

  31. Hill Jr, Bush is not running.

    Turning point is right. Now we have further evidence that BHOs policies are a total failure.

  32. Yes I always enjoy seeing our embassies sacked in the Middle East with loss of life to diplomatic and military personnel – especially during a democrat administration.

    Geeez.

    But then, come to think of it… Teheran, Dar es Salaam, Nairobi, Mogadishu, Benghazi. Cairo, Khartoum, Tunis… there does seem to be a certain correlation – just can’t think of the flavor.

  33. averageJose says:

    “cheap plastic crucifix”… what if it had been a cheap plastic muhamed?

  34. averageJose says:

    “gleeful about this tragedy”… he’s projecting his glee with the msm’s daily count of U.S. military casualties during the Bush administration.

    What ever happened to those daily tabulations?

  35. menopaws says:

    The elections in Egypt and Libya were free and open…Now, I know Republicans prefer dictators they can push around….Even in this country, with all those voter ID laws, they do seem to have a problem with free and open elections………So, some AMERICAN whack job Minister endorsed a sick inflammatory video about Islam—-how is that Obama’s fault???? In their minds, we Americans insulted their religion……….I don’t agree with this violent response, most of the governments over there don’t agree with it either…….But WE lit the match………And, those of us who are sensible know that this film was designed to create these problems…….So, at some point instead of blaming the President, how about we figure out a way to shut this awful film down????? Deflect all you want–one of our own caused this……..
    It is NOT our job to dictate policy to other nations……..Republicans can scream about what happened–but, free means free…….We don’t get to pick how and when that happens in other nations……
    CT8–what polls are you talking about??? I have not seen one poll that has Romney up anywhere…….

  36. Speaking of how respectful of free speech fundamentalist Christian are….

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/18/andres-serrano-piss-christ-destroyed-christian-protesters

    To compare Serrano’s work – which, whether you are offended by the concept of a series of religious items submerged in bodily fluids (milk, blood, etc.) – is clearly aesthetic and therefore has an artistic impulse to the amateur film with less than porn-level aesthetics (actually am happy that youtube left it up so I could see just how dreadful the acting/directing/script is) that was made, clearly, with no other intent than to insult.

    Serrano was raised Catholic and was commenting about his own culture. His resume demonstrates a long and established career as an artists. The anti-Muslim made-for-youtube film was produced by Egyptian fundamentalist Christians – misrepresenting the intent to the actors – and fraudulently claiming that an American/Israeli citizen produced it. It was anti-Muslim, anti-American, and anti-semitic in intent. For you to attempt to equate the two is absurd.

  37. To provide a little more context for you: Piss Christ was created in 1987, at the height of the AIDS epidemic. The American Catholic Church, especially the Boston archdiocese was very active in attempting to prevent condoms from being utilized in AIDs prevention campaigns.

    The image itself is very beautiful and, I think, rather reverent – it is only the title and the explanation that can be seen as offensive – I recommend you actually look at it.

  38. “But WE lit the match…”

    No, WE didn’t. Some idiot with a camera and a bevy of poor actors according to bBoy made a lousy, provocative video. And once again, if you think all this anti-American violence is just about that video you are just plain nuts.

    But for argument’s sake, let’s say it is. Why can people not see the irony in their reactions to thi?

    What would happen if U.S. citizen turned mob-angry every time America was slandered or insulted? Would the entire society from which the insult sprung be held responsible?

    What if Christians ignited mob violence every time someone insulted Jesus Christ, which millions do daily just by using his name as a cuss word?

    Many of you are appalled that the entire Muslim religion has been maligned because of the Taliban and Al Qaeda, and yet you have no problem sayng that “we” — the entire country, America — is to blame for this.

    It’s absurd, and you are revealing the fact that you’ve fallen victim to a thorough brainwashing.

  39. charliebucket, would you be so kind as to show me where in my original post I used hyperbole and stereotyping?

  40. right or wrong, this mess happened on BHOs watch”
    _______________________________________________________

    Ehill chalenged: “and 9/11 happened on Bush’s watch. As did the fiasco in Iraq.”
    ________________________________________________________

    As you often say to others…..nice schoolyard argument…all the other kids do it. What are you an eighth grader?

  41. averageJose says:

    especially the Boston archdiocese was very active in attempting to prevent condoms from being utilized in AIDs prevention campaigns

    “citations”

  42. The anti-Muslim made-for-youtube film was produced by Egyptian fundamentalist Christians…

    Really, bB? “Fundamentalist”?

    Nothing like adding a tinge of radicalism to slake the thirst for a moral equivalency to the actions of the true radical fundamentalists responsible for the sacking of our embassies, and the murder of diplomats and military personnel; islamic fundamentalists.

    Where besides the huffpo have you seen it reported that the filmmakers were “fundamentalists”? Oh that’s right, you difine ALL Christians as such – especially, now, the persecuted Coptic Christians of Egypt.

    I wouldn’t expect any sympathy from bB, but I’m wondering where all of the liberal hand-wringers and 0bama were during this:

    http://www.newsmax.com/JamesWalsh/Coptic-Christians-persecution-Egypt/2012/05/24/id/440236

    Any surprise a Copt would try such a foolish stunt?

  43. @Ct8 at Sept 14 5:20 PM

    Rasmussen poll, the other was partisan

    Hilarious. You can’t make up stuff like that. Electoral-vote.com allows viewers to see poll results without the Rasmussen polls. The reason is that Rasmussen is so unreliable. Link to full explanation below.

    http://electoral-vote.com/evp2012/Info/rasmussen.html

  44. The other poll was ‘Democracy Corps’.

    I am not a huge fan of the polling. Yet someone claim the polls had shifted to BHO because the ME caught fire and our men were killed. I asked where that poll was.

    Nice deflection.

    The ‘blame America’ crowd is disgusting. Even more ridiculous is the blame YouTube movement. Blame everything and everyone except the people actually responsible. Insane.

  45. aislander says:

    Er…WHICH poll was most accurate in predicting the margin in the ’08 election?

  46. Clamat0 – so…..we are to show “sympathy” for a group of extremists who purposely incited anti-American violence with an anti-Muslim piece of propaganda while blaming a (fictional) American/Israeli for creating it?

    that is like having sympathy for al Qaeda because the Arabs got screwed over by the CIA.

  47. “that is like having sympathy for al Qaeda because the Arabs got screwed over by the CIA”.

    Too much conspiracy for one day. Billions of Arabs yet the CIA screwed them all.

    This entire situation shows the left’s true colors. They are not willing to stand up for American values and the Constitution. No responsibility to te guilty parties if they are in a ‘protected’ segment of society according to their twisted lens.

    There is also a hint of racism here.

  48. bB your comparison of Serrano’s piece and the youtube video is meaningless in this context.

    We are talking about the fact that each of these things might be perceived as a dire offense to people of each religion. The question isn’t whether one is more artistic than the other, it’s whether or not cities and countries filled with Christians offended by Serrano’s piece chose to erupt in violence over it — and blame an entire society for it.

    Did anyone speak out to apologize to all the Christians who were offended by the work? And before you suggest that anyone criticizing Serrano’s work should see it before speaking, how many of those thugs in the streets of Libya and Tunis do you think have actually SEEN that video.

    I repeat, this is not about the video. It’s about an abiding hatred for Americans among a far bigger population of Muslims than anyone here wants to acknowledge.

  49. There is also a hint of racism here.

    Pray tell……spell it out.

  50. your comparison of Serrano’s piece and the youtube video is meaningless in this context.

    Since you were the one who brought up the Serrano piece, that is a rather odd statement.

  51. menopaws says:

    I am NOT blaming America—Lord, one whack job does not indict our country…..But, we do need to recognize how it looks to the people in these countries…….There is a fine balance to be handled here….and Mr. Romney is NOT capable of that kind of diplomacy………He proved that when he chose politics over patriotism on a terrible day for us………….
    As long as he is getting his foreign policy advice from the neo-cons of the Bush adminstration, like John Bolton, Cheney and the rest of that crowd—he has NO business pointing his finger at President Obama……..Some Republicans have openly had similar concerns about who he surrounds himself with…….His interference in the negotiations between President Obama and Nethanyahu are a perfect example of how he can be downright DANGEROUS……. He is NOT in charge of anything and our President has some excellent reasons right now for keeping Nethanyahu at arms length…………Bibi is a whack job himself….and has his own internal issues going on with the voters of Israel……….Romney is just toooo stupid and his bluster could become a serious problem that could endanger more lives…..But, hey, maybe that is his plan….what I saw the other day made me sick to watch…….His ambition is bigger than his brain……..Not a good future for us, if he wins……

  52. aislander says:

    So…meno…did anyone on YOUR side “choose politics over patriotism” when W was President?

    I seem to recall a certain addled global warmer screaming, “he beTRAYED this country!”

  53. No crap. Who when to Egypt when W was running things (better then today)?

    Do you remember those speeches? What happened to that emotion?

  54. Went.

  55. averageJose says:

    How funny… algore was trying to be all Rev Wright.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxGC8JaijI0

  56. menopaws says:

    You people can lob bombs about the past or you can worry about American lives TODAY……Your call–I don’t want Mr. Foot in Mouth anywhere near foreign policy or the Cheney, Bolton crowd marching across the Middle East again……..You need to think long and hard about what that neo-con foreign policy cost this country………I don’t want another “adventure”……..and neither should you…….Mr. Romney isn’t smart enough to do some campaign staff housecleaning–and I suspect Mr. Adelson is in charge of that………Pay close attention—this should NOT be about politics……Making it about that doesn’t benefit anyone but Mr. Nethanyahu and his buddy, Mr. Adelson…….Do you want a foreign leader running our elections and foreign policy? As Jonah Goldberg said today on Meet the Press, Mr. Nethanyahu has NOT behaved responsibly or in the tradition of Israeli-American interests…..He has the problem–we make a huge mistake making it OUR problem.

  57. “Voters may wish to think deeply before putting him and his staff at the helm of the nation.”

    You mean like they did when they gave the keys to the executive washroom at the White House to the guy sitting in there today?

    That’s the trouble with our entire political system, and one which eventually be our downfall and collapse. Voters don’t “think deeply”.

    The average liberal votes for anyone with a “D” after their name, the average conservative votes for the “R”, either candidate could be Bozo the Clown or the Jack In The Box Clown!

    Those who aren’t sure waste a vote giving the nod to a candidate they may not want, but they don’t want to other guy even more, and the rest vote for who ever their friends vote for.

    Our current political system is little more than a high school popularity contest and is given just about as much serious thought.

    Rah Rah Rah.

  58. You are being terribly obtuse these days bBoy. There IS a comparison to be made between the Serrano piece and this video, but it’s not about the works themselves…it’s about the way in which they were perceived by others and how those who were offended responded. C’mon…don’t tell me you are unable to get this.

    And meno….”I am NOT blaming America—Lord, one whack job does not indict our country,” you say now but then it was YOU, right who wrote

    “We lit the match?” Perhaps you should edit your own inflammatory statements before posting them.

    XB how I wish I could argue with your observation, but alas, I can’t.
    God help us.

  59. meno – that was Jeffrey Goldberg on Meet the Press, not Jonah.

    Just switched off the “round table” where, aside from Rep King (R) who was attempting to use this to attack the President, the consensus was, as Goldberg presented it:

    The extremists in the Middle East are EXTREMISTS and no President nor policy will ever prevent 10 of them to get together to occupy/destroy a building. Even Netanyahu acknowledged that the Islamist extremists are against every liberalization of society (separation of Church and State, free speech, etc.) from their fundamentalist heretical apostasy of Islam – AND that they attack followers of Islam that do not accept the Wahhabi apostasy (which means they attack almost all of Islam, and then they turn their attention to all the rest of the world.

    America is still the most influential, most powerful force for modernism in the world and, as such, the extremist Wahhabi Islamists see us as the great satan. Nothing any president does will ever change that.

    Most agreed that Mitt’s twit attacking the President when Romney didn’t have any real facts, followed up by doubling down on his statements the next day weren’t Presidential or even responsible.

  60. sozo – the “film” was the spark but it wasn’t the cause (see post above for a discussion of the cause).

    Serrano’s work was the spark but not the cause of the fundamentalists that vandalized private property on exhibition in France.

    Your referencing of Serrano’s work twenty five years after it was created was caused by what?

    Fundamentalism is a reaction to the failure of modernism to regain Paradise on earth. It is, by definition, regressive and anti-intellectual in nature. AND is anti-individual freedoms. So, while the coordinated attack on the Libyan consulate is different in scope than the Jesse Helms/Religious Right coordinated attack on the National Endowments for the Arts/Humanities, the cause of them comes from a similar source.

    I didn’t set out to go down this path – you kept pushing the “issue”. If you want to continue I will gladly put forth several arguments demonstrating how ALL branches of fundamentalism (Islam, Christian, Judaism, Hindu) are anti-freedom, anti-democracy, anti-pluralism reactionary, destructive forces that are the biggest threat to freedom in the world today.

    Or, you can just drop this and I will be happy to not expand upon this line of reasoning.

  61. Dale – happily for me, it is a foregone conclusion that Idaho will vote for Mitt so I am free to not vote for Obama AND not vote for Mitt as my vote is going to by symbolic anyway.

    I’m gonna vote for Jill Stein, Green Party

  62. averageJose says:

    LMAO… “You people can lob bombs about the past or you can worry about American lives TODAY” followed by lobbing bombs about the past.

    Typical prog m.o.

  63. averageJose says:

    Just when I thought the excuses for rampant muslim intolerance violence couldn’t get ANY more ridiculas our self appointed scholar contrasts the funding of Art to muslim violence and murder… WOW.

  64. notimetobleed says:

    Agreed! Good observation Chuck!
    I think the stratagy of jumping all over Obama so quickly after the emabassy attacks was very poor judgement and came across as opportunistic and desperate.

  65. You people can lob bombs…

    “You people”??????

    I recall a recent thread whereby the usual suspects were all over the use of those two words – especially (and apparently) when used by any conservative or right of the 25% extreme left commenter. Something about it being a “racist” term.

    But I guess pointing out liberal hypocrisy is an exercise in redundancy here. We should take a lesson from them and just be “offended” about one more thing. Hmmm… now what would that have to do with this topic?

  66. “did anyone on YOUR side “choose politics over patriotism” when W was President”

    Name one Democrats who attacked Bush on 9/11. Just one.

  67. Wow, what a well-written, erudite response. You truly are a mental giant, aren’t you? ROFL

  68. menopaws says:

    What bomb did I lob about the past????Are you in the rapture over Cheney???? I did choose patriotism over politics—I supported this country after 9/11…..I strongly disagreed with our invasion of Iraq, but I supported my country………I support my President today and do NOT support anyone who wants to allow a foreign leader to dictate OUR foreign policy…………It is stunning to me that anyone who claims patriotism thinks it is okay for Mr. Adelson and Nethanyahu to interfere in our foreign affairs……….
    My husband pointed out to me that most people, Democrats and Republicans supported President Bush after 9/11…to say otherwise is simply NOT true…………So, make accurate accusations about what people on “our side” did and didn’t do………….ehill was right—Democrats put country first when it counts….YOUR side should try that sometime……Take off your white sheets, put down your torches and give real patriotism a try….the families of those 4 Americans might appreciate that……….Tired of listening to all of you bash our country and roll over for $$$$……..there is a name for that too………

  69. averageJose says:

    Peter Jennings

  70. But you want us to dictate Israel’s policies. Hypocrite.

  71. averageJose says:

    “Do you want a foreign leader running our elections and foreign policy?”

    No, that’s why I strongly oppose Obama, his policies, his apologies, and when he says stuff like “On all these issues, particularly missile defense, this can be solved. It is important for him (Putin) to give me space. This is my last election,” Obama telling Dmitry Medvedev Sunday, March 26. …

    p.s. you won’t find republicans willing to subjugate ourselves to the corrupt U.N., can’t say the same thing about democrats.

  72. Name one Democrats who attacked Bush on 9/11. Just one.

    LMAO, WOW, what a bold statement. Sorta’ like asking you to name just one Republican – just one – who attacked FDR on 12/7/41.

    And actually, it depends on your meaning of “on”. I can provide plenty of examples of democrats who attacked Bush on 9/11 – the event.

    Really weak stuff, as usual.

    No, democrats waited about a year – just in time for the ’02 congressional elections, then really poured it on in the run-up to the ’04 presidential election and thereafter, even until today.

    But comparing the events of 9/11 with the… curios foreign policy of the 0bama administration and its many accompanying foibles and gaffes is really one of the best examples of your particular brand of apples-to-oranges arguments I’ve seen yet.

  73. But you want us to dictate Israel’s policies. Hypocrite.

    Who are you talking to?

    I, have never suggested that we should dictate Israel’s policies. I have, otoh, stated very strongly that we should stop letting Israel dictate our policies.

  74. Nope, still nobody who can document ONE Democrat attacking Bush on the day of the 9/11 attacks like Romney attacked Obama.

  75. Let’s see, there were no attacks against Bush in during the run up to the 04 election on a day a US servicemember died in combat?

  76. … on the day of the 9/11

    LMAO, except that’s not what you first said now is it?

    Nope. And still nobody who can document ONE Republican attacking FDR on 12/7/41.

    Like I said, weak, really weak. But go ahead and keep flying that kite. Apples and oranges – very pretty, LOL!

  77. LMAO, except that’s not what you first said now is it?

    LMAO – that’s EXACTLY what I said. Sorry about your reading comprehension problem.

  78. No matter how you said it that was a stupid question with no correlation to the recent attacks.

    Truther.

  79. took14theteam says:

    “The police acted stupidly”

    A response from BHO when his buddy was arrested by the police.

    Comment made before any of the facts were known.

    Then came the infamous beer summit.

  80. BlaineCGarver says:

    I mostly avoid emotional “offense”, but, to suggest Republicans and other intelligent persons are “gleeful” about the riots and killings is completely over the line. The only problem with Mitt is that he is not NEAR conservative enough. I have high hopes that Ryan will put some starch in his shorts so he can stand upright. Obama has been a high-speed-train-wreck that has happened before ALL our eyes. I’m surprised anyone can support him without becoming physically ill, or laughing, or both.

  81. No matter how you said it that was a stupid question with no correlation to the recent attacks.”

    ROFL – thanks for admitting that Romney’s cheap theatrics had nothing to do with the attack.

  82. No, it had to do with upholding American values and principles. It was about a representative of the State Department’s response to the madness.

  83. averageJose says:

    “document ONE Democrat…” I did… Peter Jennings.

  84. … thanks for admitting that Romney’s cheap theatrics had nothing to do with the attack.

    LMAO, I’m sure the Romney campaign will be relieved to know they had nothing to do with the attacks.

    Pure genius.

  85. … that’s EXACTLY what I said.

    Hmmmmmmmmmm…

    @ 10:44 AM:
    Name one Democrats who attacked Bush on 9/11. Just one.

    So… you’re saying no democrats attacked Bush on 9/11? Like I said, depends “on” your meaning of “on”, doesn’t it? So, after reminding you of your poor command of the (at least) written English language, you wisely changed your statement:

    @ 4:29 PM:
    Nope, still nobody who can document ONE Democrat attacking Bush on the day of the 9/11 attacks like Romney attacked Obama.

    And then lied about it.

    But enough fun at your expense, we’re focusing on split hairs here. The the obvious question, to which you apparently have no answer, is what the hell does an appropriate lack of negative commentary by an opposition party after an attack on US soil involving massive loss of human life and property destruction have to do with an entirely appropriate criticism of an administration’s response (apology) to an attack on a US embassy?

    Mountains of mole.hills.

    More yummy apples and oranges please.

  86. “we’re focusing on split hairs here”

    yes, you are.

    “an entirely appropriate criticism of an administration’s response (apology) to an attack on a US embassy

    there was no apology, liar.

  87. averageJose says:

    During a CBS interview President Obama distanced himself from the “apology” issued by the U.S. Embassy in Cairo, suggesting that it was merely an effort by the staff to “cool the situation down.”

    “It didn’t come from me. It didn’t come from Secretary Clinton,” Obama said. “It came from folks on the ground who are potentially in danger.

    That’s kooky… looks like an apology.

  88. averageJose says:

    Ohbtw, it is a breath of fresh air to see a lib finally admit ABC, NBC, and CBS are lib news networks.

    ehill says:
    Sep. 16, 2012 at 11:48 am (restating what Frosty posted> “Fox outshines all of the lib networks in terms of viewers. No body has tried to refute that because they can’t.”

    Oh, yes I can:
    NBC News: 7.7 million
    ABC News: 7.4 million
    CBS News: 5.7 million
    Fox News: 2.8 million

    :)

  89. Kooky indeed, a.j. The comment @8:22 PM is an object lesson of the principle that drugs do bad things – in this case to language skills, reasoning, and understanding.

    Buit if an individual or group wishes to be addicted to the drug of stupidity, there’s really nothing one can do to help. Best to just disengage and let the addiction run its course, for better or worse.

  90. I suppose anyone who gets this would have to be a bit long in the teeth…but this election year sort of reminds me of….dare I say it?

    MITT AND JEFF!

    One more cartoon for the ages.

  91. Clamat0 at 10:03 pm – an entire post dedicated to nothing but ad hominem and specious speculation about drug abuse. I see you have fully climbed down into the gutter for the election season.

  92. ““document ONE Democrat…” I did… Peter Jennings.”

    ROFLMAO – Peter Jennings didn’t belong to either party. He was a Canadian. Thanks for the great laugh!

  93. “That’s kooky… looks like an apology

    If your IQ is smaller than your shoe size, I suppose that might be the case.

  94. ” The comment @8:22 PM is an object lesson of the principle that drugs do bad things”

    Yeah, the prevent the reader from understanding what was said. Seek help immediately.

  95. averageJose says:

    They don’t have leftists in Canada?

  96. “They don’t have leftists in Canada?”

    Irrelevant to your original claims that (1) Peter Jennnings was a Democrat, and (2) he attacked President Bush on 9/11.

    Epic fail. Try again.

  97. The timeline presented in the link below regarding the events in Egypt and Libya coupled with statements, tweets, videos and press releases from various government and Romney sources is interesting. It gives a cohesive look at just what was said and when it was said.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/09/heres-a-timeline-of-the-confusing-statements-on-libya-and-egypt/262264/

  98. bBoy, I’ll overlook your patronizing tone and address just this one comment and be done with it. You say that “Fundamentalism is a reaction to the failure of modernism to regain Paradise on earth….”

    Is that so? And just how do you define this capital F fundamentalism about which you can make such a broad claim? True fundamentalism in the Christian faith was (and I use the past tense because it’s evolved into something else, a term that critics of the faith like to wield recklessly as you have done here)…anyway, true fundamentalism was simply a call to stick to the basics of the faith. But that’s not a disucssion for here. I mention it only to call you on your self-appointed role as an expert in virtually everything. I think you don’t know what you’re talking about.

    As for why I brought up the urinary art, let me say it again, I brought it up to talk about reactions to it. Do you really want to compare what a few vandals in France did to the crap going on in No. Africa?

    What’s going on there didn’t need a spark. It’s been a smoldering fire for decades and that video is nothing more than an excuse that the gullible have bought into because they cant’ seem to think for themselves.

    Now go do your homework on Christian fundamentalism.

  99. I see you have fully climbed down into the gutter for the election season.

    Yeah, just thought it would be a good time for a face-to-face with you and a few of your buds.

    But seriously, bB, I know you are an excellent reader/ comprehender, so when you see the qualification “drug of stupidity” you’re being a bit disingenuous (again) by zeroing in on the “drug” aspect.

    As for the “ad-hominem” comment, perhaps you missed this comment (to which I was responding):

    there was no apology, liar.

    Now there’s an example of an ad hominem attack – what I wrote was merely in reply to it. And yes, I think someone who cannot refute an argument to save his ample buttocks, so instead constantly relies on invectives such as “liar” is not only stupid, but has conceded any argument.

    And before we go off on an equivalency tangent, I’ll admit; yeas I’ve thrown the tactic right back at the usual offenders, here, when used against me, and it was stupid of me too.

    Best way to deal with that level of maturity is to disengage. And I think that’s what I said I was doing.

  100. Perhaps we should keep in mind the GB Shaw comment about wrestling with pigs…..

  101. “I think someone who cannot refute an argument to save his ample buttocks, so instead constantly relies on invectives such as “liar” is not only stupid, but has conceded any argument”

    There was no argument presented, only the lie that Obama apologized.

  102. yaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnnnnn… did someone mention wrestling with pigs?

  103. “yaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnnnnn”

    Don’t fall asleep down there in the trough.

  104. averageJose says:

    Perhaps we should keep in mind the GB Shaw comment about wrestling with pigs…..again with the “they did it first” defense.

  105. Speaking of train wrecks: “Only 26 percent of those following the news in the Middle East approved of Romney’s statements about the attacks, compared to 48 percent who disapproved.” http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0912/81299.html#ixzz26lPZhxtu

  106. Speaking of apologies:

    The Obama administration is disavowing a statement from its own Cairo embassy that seemed to apologize for anti-Muslim activity in the United States.

    http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/09/white-house-disavows-cairo-apology-135247.html

  107. “Only 26 percent of those following the news in the Middle East approved of Romney’s statements about the attacks, compared to 48 percent who disapproved.

    Yeah, that’ll happen when you sample 21% more democrats and 15% more independents than Republicans.

    Kooky.

    Respondents in the landline sample were selected by randomly asking for the youngest adult male or female who is now at home.

    No weighted sampling there, noooooooh, LMAO!

  108. “Yeah, that’ll happen when you sample 21% more democrats and 15% more independents than Republicans.”

    And of course, sampling 50% Republicans would be completely unbiased, wouldn’t it? ROFLMAO

  109. I’ll add that to your voluminous list of straw man fallacies.

    War and Peace is now catching your draft.

  110. If Romeny is a “slow motion train wreck”, Obama is a fast moving economic derailment.

  111. “I’ll add that to your voluminous list of straw man fallacies.”

    And I’ll add that to your ever-expanding list of insults.

  112. “Obama is a fast moving economic derailment.”

    LOL – that’s some “derailment”:

    Stock market: up to double its value at the low point.
    Corporate profits up to an all-time high.
    Unemployment down about 20% from its high point.
    4+ Americans working today who weren’t working two and a half years ago.
    GDP up for twelve consecutive quarters.

    Facts. They trump wrong-wing fear-mongering every time.

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