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TNT: No place for racist headlines

Letter by G.E. Riplinger, Tacoma on Sep. 10, 2012 at 9:52 am with 75 Comments »
September 11, 2012 5:31 pm

“Election: A message to white guys” (online letter).

You have to be joking! If a staffer wrote that headline, he should be immediately fired. If the author wrote that headline, it should not have been printed.

The letter writer addressed “blue-collar guys who hate President Obama” – not white-, black-, or green – blue-collar guys who hate Obama.

I do not hate Obama, but I detest his policies. Does that make me a racist? If so, we are in an era that is nothing more than a sad state of affairs.

 

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  1. Pecksbadboy says:

    You are not a Racist but you do not believe he does not have a legal birth certificate.

    You are not a racist but you believe only a man and a women have a right to a civil union that has equal benefits to a church wedding.

    You are not a racist but you feel ever dollar you make or pay in taxes should only benefit yourself in some way.

    You are not a racist but everyone who has the audacity to not believe in the same Christian God that you do are not real Americans.

    Then you are a racist

  2. old_benjamin says:

    As the letter writer said, a very sad state of affairs.

  3. surething says:

    I found the headline incredibly offensive and ridiculous.

  4. bbsbxringrliars says:

    Pecksbadboy,

    You must be projecting!

    Where did he say he was a birther? How’s that make him a racist?

    Where did he write that same sex marriage shouldn’t be law? How does this make him a racist.”

    Where does he state that “ever dollar you make or pay in taxes should only benefit yourself in some way.” Can you please explain this one?

    Where did he state, “everyone who has the audacity to not believe in the same Christian God that you do are not real Americans.” Huh, I am befuddled by this reasoning!

    Pecksbadboy, YOU ARE THE RACIST! Oh and a mind reader…

  5. MyBandito says:

    Yep! Every time somebody does something that not everyone agrees with, they somehow need to be “fired.”

    This reality show mentality has gotten to be a little much. Let’s grow up and learn how to appropriately deal with our minor imperfections. Quit with the faux offensiveness.

    Oh! And by the way…..there is no green.

  6. “A message to white guys” is racist only if you think that any mention of race constitutes racism.

  7. ehill – I felt the headline was race-baiting…maybe not racist…but race was used to provoke a reaction.

  8. Harry_Anslinger says:

    This just wasn’t a very good letter. I think that summarizes it. Not worthy of intense scrutiny or a jump off point for any particularly insightful debate or discourse.

  9. Harry_Anslinger says:

    I want to clarify I meant the original letter not this reply.

  10. Frankenchrist says:

    The Mormon Church is a virulently racist organization. The GOP is a political party that tolerates racist members and treats racism with a wink and a nod.

    Thus, if you support Romney/Ryan you are an implicit racist.

  11. yabetchya says:

    Frankie….Harry Reid is a Morman.

  12. averageJose says:

    … and a moron.

  13. RE the letter’s title – a most wise and effective chose of words by a TNT staff writer designed excite and inflame knee jerks on both sides of the aisle.

  14. LeePHilI says:

    Which policy do you “detest”? The one where he wants to make sure your insurance company can’t cut you off because you are sick? How about the one where your kids can get coverage?

  15. LeePHilI says:

    Harry Reid has continued to serve the constituents of Nevada since 1987.

    A moron? Heavens, no! Smarter than the Average Joe….

  16. aislander says:

    Mob lawyers have to be smart or they don’t live very long…

    There have been a lot of smart people who harmed the world, Reid among them…

  17. LeePHill wrote: “Harry Reid has continued to serve the constituents of Nevada since 1987.

    A moron? Heavens, no! Smarter than the Average Joe….”
    _______________________________________________________________

    Senator Reid’s statement upon the death of LDS President Gordon B Hinckley certainly would lead one to believe that he is a member.

    January 28, 2008

    Washington, DC—Nevada Senator Harry Reid released the following statement about the death of President Gordon B. Hinckley, of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.

    “President Hinckley led a remarkable life. His faith and leadership have inspired countless lives throughout the world. He leaves a deeply rooted legacy on our religion through his teachings and his lifetime of service to the Church. My thoughts and prayers are with his family.”

  18. You beat me to it oldoc, holy smokes. The absence of logic in pecks remarks are stunning. And then theres fc’s tortured attempt at logic. Go back to Logic 101 fellas.

    As for Harry, so he’s smart. Lots of really bad people with really bad ideas are smart.

  19. aislander says:

    Lefties don’t go for the part of brain that employs logic, except to obfuscate and confuse.

    The emotional sectors are their targets…

  20. Frankenchrist says:

    yabetchya,

    So?

  21. Frankencgrist, I know several black Americans who belong to the LDS, are they racist too?

  22. yabetchya says:

    Frankie, so he is a racist.
    As you stated earlier. “The Mormon Church is a virulently racist organization.” Harry is a Morman.
    There are others on here who have claimed to be Morman, alindasue for one. I do not believe she has a racist bone in her body, yet you clump her in with your ignorance.

  23. Frankenchrist also says that the GOP is a racist party that treats racism with a wink and a nod. Well, I guess I’m wrong about ” Sheets” Byrd, late Senator of W. Virginia, I always thought he was a demokrat. I was wrong again about George Wallace and many other demokrats who proudly carried the banner of racism. It’s amazing how much I can learn by reading these liberal’s comments. LOL

  24. SwordofPerseus says:

    So, ‘slander you are saying that lefties use logic to confuse the overly emotional republicans? That is not hard to believe, the leaders of the GOP do the same with fear and hate.

  25. alindasue says:

    frosty said, “Frankencgrist, I know several black Americans who belong to the LDS, are they racist too?”

    Being LDS myself, I can tell you that our local congregation members (and even people within some of our families) are made up of a wide variety of people from very diverse ancestries and skin colors. Generally, except when it comes to things like sharing family cultural recipes and the like, we don’t think too much about it one way or the other.

    oldoc and sozo,
    You totally missed that averageJose was commenting on Senator Reid as a person and not questioning his religious affiliation. Sadly, in doing so, you also totally missed the pun in LeePHill’s reply to him.

    By the way, I do agree with the letter writer that the headline put on that letter was unnecessarily provocative. As xring pointed out, it was an “effective chose of words by a TNT staff writer designed excite and inflame knee jerks on both sides of the aisle.”

    That it did.

  26. aislander says:

    Surely you’re not trying to persuade conservatives, are you, Sodoff?

    I know I don’t give a rip about trying to change the minds of Che Guevara wannabes, but I do care about persuading reasonable people who may be susceptible to the lies of the left…

  27. Give it a rest frankenchrist – Romney is worse, not because he is a Mormon, but because he is Romney.

    alindasue – the Sunday paper, front page, above the fold carried this article:Mormon Church Clarifies Stance on Caffeine To say that not a whole lot happens in my town is probably an understatement – but I do wish that the local paper and tv news didn’t carry so much Church news.

  28. sumyungboi says:

    The letter writer, not the TNT eds, wrote the title to the original letter being discussed. The letter writer, Van Rozay, is a racist and I don’t feel at all compelled to explain why. If you don’t acknowledge that, you’re either a dishonest racist yourself, or you’re an idiot. nuff said.

  29. LeePHilI says:

    ” Lots of really bad people with really bad ideas are smart.”

    Or think they are….

    Then there are bad people who won’t admit they are bad.

    I’m not sure what is wrong with Reid being LDS, but I’m guessing doc and sozo will wiggle around it…..

    I, as someone with several family members who are LDS am aware of the prior racial issues with the church, but am also aware of their change.

  30. Alindsue wrote: oldoc and sozo,
    You totally missed that averageJose was commenting on Senator Reid as a person and not questioning his religious affiliation. Sadly, in doing so, you also totally missed the pun in LeePHill’s reply to him.
    ________________________________________________________________

    Linda Sue, thanks for calling me out….I did miss the pun.

  31. alindasue says:

    sumyungboi,
    Do you personally know Mr. Rozay? That’s the only reason I could see that you would know for certain whether or not he is a racist. There was no indication of it in the body of the letter itself.

    beerBoy,
    That’s what you get for living in might-as-well-be-Utah. When I went to school in Rexburg, I was quite surprised that all the programs we’d normally have to go to the chapel to see a satellite broadcast of (before everything could be watched via internet) were right there on normal broadcast TV.

    That article sounds interesting. I’ll check the news section on the church web site and see if its there. It probably is but if it’s not, does your local newspaper have a web site?

    oldoc,
    As I keep telling people, my name is Alinda. Linda is my mom. (Al + Linda = Alinda) I love my name. I’m glad my parents gave it to me – but it can get a little frustrating sometimes…

  32. alindasue – unfortunately the local rag makes you pay to get their stories online http://www.idahostatejournal.com

  33. sumyungboi says:

    alindasue, Rozay wrote the title to his letter, and it’s just stupid for you and your pals to try and twist this into something it’s not just because you agree with the guy, which, by the way, doesn’t speak very well for you.

  34. alindasue says:

    sumyungboi,

    Do you actually know Mr. Rozay?
    Nobody here is trying to twist anything. However, you insist that you absolutely know the Mr. Rozay wrote the headline for his letter, all the while stating outright that you won’t tell us how you would know this information.

    Either you actually know Mr. Rozay and are stating an opinion about him based on personal experience or you are trolling for a reaction. Which is it?

  35. LeePHilI says:

    “Election: A message to white guys”

    As a “white guy” I don’t find the headline racist nor offensive. I thought the letter was poorly written, but there is a certain amount of truth in realizing that there is a certain sector of the populace that would find fault with Obama saving GM and obviously, that sector is not African American, nor caucasian women, nor Hispanics seem to be offended by his success

  36. sumyungboi says:

    alindasue, the TNT would not have altered the title that Rozay had written for the sole purpose of making him appear racist. You know this, too, so stop pretending like you don’t. It’s really sort of sick that you and your pals are trying to back-peddle Rozay’s chosen title, as though he didn’t say what he said, simply because you agree with the premise of his letter. Although I shouldn’t be surprised that you accept racism as a means to a political end, frankenchrist has announced that you, alindasue, are a racist because you’re a Mormon, and you don’t have the ute to call him out because you agree with his politics in a broader sense. Try standing for something someday.

  37. alindasue says:

    sumyungboi,

    I never said that I agreed with Mr. Rozay’s letter. I only said that I didn’t find the text of the letter to be in-and-of-itself racist.

    This would not be the first time a TNT editor has placed a provocative headline on a letter or article. Even if Mr. Rozay had written the headline, it was the editor’s choice to print it knowing it would be provocative. They can – and do – change the letter writers’ letter titles on a fairly regular basis.

    Since you do not seem to actually know Mr. Rozay, you are just assuming that he himself wrote that headline. Short of the editor actually coming in and telling us who wrote the headline, your assumption is no more valid than ours.

    As for the rest of what you wrote, it has already been addressed above. Generally, though, I try not to fall into the trading insults game. It is usually best just to ignore them, and I will continue to do so now.

  38. sumyungboi says:

    alindasue: “Short of the editor actually coming in and telling us who wrote the headline, your assumption is no more valid than ours”

    Bunk. If something walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, and I assume it’s a duck, is that assumption no more valid than someone who says it’s a blue whale?

    You’re scraping, and you know it. I also notice that Rozay has not come forward to claim that the TNT has unjustly edited his letter to make him appear racist.

  39. alindasue says:

    sumyungboi said, “I also notice that Rozay has not come forward to claim…”

    I have not noticed Mr. Rozay in these forums here at all. It’s quite possible that, unlike some of us, Mr. Rozay has better things to do than hang around making comments to the letters online. He may not even be aware that you accused him of quacking.

  40. the3rdpigshouse says:

    If you listen to blacks – only whites can be racist! That is the indoctrination scenario for training of the idiots in our society! The socialist democrats at the DNC had buttons reading “Vote black and you’ll never go back”!! Can you imagine the RNC having a convention with lapel buttons that read “vote white and be right”!!! The attacks on the RNC would be unbelievable! Where is the reporting on the DNC buttons??!

  41. MyBandito says:

    Pointing out racism does not make one racist.

  42. yngboi – you don’t know who wrote the headline. Typically the newspaper headline editor writes headlines.

  43. Perhaps this is why the headline editor decided that the letter was a message for white guys:

    South Carolina Senator Lindsey Graham, one of the GOP’s brighter bulbs, worries that they’re “losing the demographic race”. He told the Washington Post:

    “We’re not generating enough angry white guys to stay in business for the long term.”

    Ed Rollins, a senior strategist, agrees, calling his party “a bunch of old white guys”, who are ignoring the way the country is heading:

    “We need to basically broaden the base, we need to have more women, we need to have more Latinos, we need to have more African-Americans.”

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/sep/10/no-country-for-angry-old-white-men

  44. LeePHilI says:

    “the3rdpigshouse says:
    Sep. 10, 2012 at 9:55 pm If you listen to blacks – only whites can be racist!”

    Thank you for that demonstration of racism.

  45. LeePHilI says:

    A “twofer”…..

    “the3rdpigshouse says:
    Sep. 10, 2012 at 10:34 pm For all you folks who think beerBoy is an unbiased observer of the political fight for the presidency of the greatest nation on earth, I have a surprise for you! beerBoy is an educated black citizen who is well educated and is also an extremely biased supporter of “OH-Bummer” ONLY because he is black!!! beerBoy will cajole you into believing he is objective however, he is one of the most biased and racist people on this site!”

    (from another thread having nothing to do with racism)

  46. For those of you liberals who are suffering from “white guilt”, please bend over and take it like a man. I for one, am sick of being called a racist because I happened to be born white. I suffer no guilt about it. I’m proud to be of German, Scottish and Irish heritage and make no apologies to anyone or any group. I don’t like being pushed around. I do not go around looking for a group to pick a fight with simply because of their race or ethnicity. Some of the “minority groups” can get by with it because too many whites feel that they somehow offended or hurt those minorities by being born white. I do not owe any one of them a damned thing and refuse to be caught up in the trap they find themselves in. When whites start walking around and bullying people because of their race and demand that the “majority” pay for wrongs that were done in the past and when we have a ” White Congressional Caucus” and schools and groups exclusively for whites, then maybe they’ll have reason to whine. I have no control over what happened in the past. I know some of the liberals will come on and say “but we did this and that to them”. My answer is, GET OVER IT!

  47. Perhaps you are looking for something that isn’t there, BB. Pointing out that the demographics of this nation are changing is just speaking about facts.

    The left lives for racial tension. The mix of false fear and guilt is a powerful marketing message.

  48. LeePHill, I would expect to see you and your ilk walking around the streets carrying signs that say, ” I am GUILTY!. I am one of those crackers who put you in chains, raped your mother and sister. Therefore, I will provide for your every need for the rest of your life”! Now wouldn’t you feel much better if you did that?

  49. ct – there are none so blind as those who refuse to see. I thought, by bolding the points you could figure it out. I will just include the words I bolded so you might not be confused by the other words:

    Senator Lindsey Graham, “We’re not generating enough angry white guys”.

    Ed Rollins, calling his party ” a bunch of old white guys”.

  50. beerboy, So what? Those are the words of two (2) people. Does their words mean that all whites share their feelings. You need a broader brush to paint with.

  51. averageJose says:

    Frosty, when he posts blanket generalizations labeling a whole class of people the only thing it reveals is his ideologically driven biases.

  52. please bend over and take it like a man.

    Very odd definition of what you think it means to be a man.

  53. Angry at what? You are really stretching this one, making a bold assumption. Rollins was just pointing out a demographic.

    And as frosty pointed out, those are two people with fairly innocent quotes (without further context).

    Keep working that fear vote. At least be honest with your motive.

  54. So now Lindsey Graham and Ed Rollins are just “two (2) people” when it comes to their opinions about the Republican Party.

    The lengths some people will go to avoid cognitive dissonance about their blind loyalty to Party…..

  55. beerboy, there’s not enough space on this page to provide quotes from all of the Al Sharpton’s, Jesse Jackson’s, Vann Jones, any and all of the members of the Congression Black Caucus and even the POTUS himself making racist comments. Give it a break!

  56. beerboy , “very odd definition of what you think it means to be a man”. Remember beerboy, I was describing liberals.

  57. Where in the world is Lyle Lars when we need him?

  58. Rollins was just pointing out a demographic.

    Not just “a” demographic, he was pointing out THE demographic that defines the GOP.

  59. I am one of those crackers

    Like the Cracker Bay that sailed under the Cayman Island flag that Mitt held his real convention for those who could pay a $1mill for a berth?

  60. My comment was a reaction to pecksabadboy for the most part, alinda, but I did miss the pun in the subsequent posts. I’m still blown away by what pecks said at the top of this thread.

  61. LeePHilI says:

    “Rollins was just pointing out a demographic”

    As was the original letter writer. “White men” is a demographic

  62. LeePHilI says:

    “frosty says:
    Sep. 11, 2012 at 6:47 am LeePHill, I would expect to see you and your ilk walking around the streets carrying signs that say, ” I am GUILTY!. I am one of those crackers who put you in chains, raped your mother and sister. Therefore, I will provide for your every need for the rest of your life”! Now wouldn’t you feel much better if you did that?”

    Well…since you asked…

    First…not living up to YOUR expectations moves me up about 100 points on the IQ scale.

    I’m not guilty of anything….including ignorance. I’ll allow you the monopoly on that.

  63. Frankenchrist says:

    frosty says “Harry Byrd was a member of the KKK in the 1940s; ergo, the GOP is not racist.”

    Your acquired your logical reasoning skills at the feet of Glenn Beck, huh?

  64. aislander says:

    beerBoy: I don’t understand your “point.” It is obvious that conservative ideas have to break through the noise and racial demagoguery to gain traction in minority communities.

    Freedom and opportunity are not only “white” ideas, and leveling and limited horizons are not bad only for white people.

    Of course we need to include minorities in the movement toward freedom.

    Skin color shouldn’t matter. It’s all about values.

  65. henderth says:

    The editors/moderators must periodically check the forum. Is it too much to ask that the editors/moderators at TNT reveal the truth about the title of the letter? Please clear this up for us editors/moderators. Put this to bed. Who came up with the title, the letter writer or the editors?

    If it was the editors, why was the title chosen? What was the reason?

    If the editors refuse to answer my questions, at least give all of us the courtesy to acknowledge the questions and politely decline to answer.

  66. Frankenchrist says:

    Yabetcha,

    You’re unable to distinguish a worldwide organization from a single individual. Not surprising since you think corporations are people.

  67. sumyungboi says:

    henderth: “Is it too much to ask that the editors/moderators at TNT reveal the truth about the title of the letter?”

    Yes, actually it is. As long as they don’t answer that question, leftists can turn the entire topic around and claim that conservatives are racist for looking at something and describing what they see. It also protects them from the valid charge of knowingly using racism as a means to a political end, while being able to blame some nameless editor at some faceless corporation that’s too big to keep an eye on the serfs that it riles up.

    So what about it, Cheryl, do you have the guts to step in and clear this up? I suspect not.

  68. Cheryl Tucker says:

    Sorry it’s taken so long to check this comment thread. The headline that was used on the letter was the one the writer put on it.

    If the letter is approved for online only, which is the case with this one, we try to leave the writer’s headline on it. Most writers generally don’t make much of an effort to write a headline, so then we’ll write one for them.

    When a letter has been approved for print, we almost always rewrite the headline because it needs to fit in a tight format on the page. Then we release it for online publication.

    Hope that clears up any questions. I’ll check back.

    P.S. Some folks seem to assume that we read all the comments. We don’t have time to, but we try to check in on ones that are listed as “most commented” on the home page. If anyone ever has a question, email me directly at cheryl.tucker@thenewstribune.com.

  69. henderth says:

    Cheryl,

    Thank you for taking the time to answer. A lot of the discussion has turned on the question. Perhaps the participants who leaped to the conclusion that you chose the headline will refrain in the future.

  70. averageJose says:

    Henderth, she states that there are times they do rewite the headline.

  71. henderth says:

    averageJose,

    Yes, Cheryl did indicate that sometimes the editors change the headline, and sometimes they don’t. My remark speaks to the uninformed conclusions that some readers came to. Some readers concluded that the letter writer wrote the headline, some readers concluded that the editor wrote the headline. Neither conclusion appears to have been adequately informed. The former conclusion appears to be correct, but without Cheryl’s answer, it was merely conjecture (albeit perhaps reasonable, based on the readers’ previous experience with TNT).

    That said, I am making some assumptions about what the readers knew or didn’t know, so my conclusion that the readers were uninformed could very well be an uninfoirmed conclusion. I may also have misunderstood some or all of the readers’ remarks, and they may not have really come to the conclusions I think they came to (maybe the readers were just baiting and/or just having fun). So it goes with online forums.

  72. averageJose says:

    Ok

  73. veritatem says:

    pecksbadboy

    What you are basically saying is that you are a racist if you don’t believe everything about Obama.
    That you are a racist if you believe in marriage between one man and one woman.
    That you are a racist if you don’t believe in redistribution of wealth.
    That you are a racist if you are a Christian.

    So if I don’t agree with something that you say, you can call me a racist.

    How about believing in the sanctity of human life. Is that racist too? How so?

  74. It looks like all of the liberals have run for their rat holes since Cheryl came out and said that the letter writer did write the headline. It just proves again what we conservatives say about liberals.

  75. Frankenchrist, it wasn’t ” Harry” Byrd it was Robert Byrd.

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