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IMMIGRANTS: No benefits for those here illegally

Letter by Rodger A. Hartley, Tacoma on Sep. 5, 2012 at 11:26 am with 43 Comments »
September 5, 2012 11:35 am

Re: “Immigrants face fight over college funding” (TNT, 9-4).

I simply cannot understand why lawmakers and other supposedly educated persons continue to have a problem understanding or comprehending the extended ramifications of one simple word in the English language: “illegal,” meaning against the law.

We are not talking simply about Latinos, as the article would seem to imply. There are many others coming to America legally or illegally, establishing islands of culture and refusing to integrate into society.

There is virtually no other country in the world where someone can arbitrarily cross the border, establish residency, create progeny, and not only not be arrested or shot or disappear in the night but fully expect to be treated to benefits such as health care and college aid.

If this sounds harsh, good. That is exactly what I intended. Perhaps that is what is necessary to get politicians’ and do-gooders’ attention to get off their collective seats and do something proactive and positive for a change. We simply cannot afford to continue these fically irresponsible policies, however well-intentioned.

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  1. sandblower says:

    Have a nice day Mr. Hartley. We love your compassionate and thoughtful letter. We know you have thought carefully about what you wrote and that there is not a shred of ignorance in your brain….no xenophobia either.

  2. aislander says:

    That’s the thing about the left: they have no compassion–for taxpayers…

  3. Frankenchrist says:

    No doubt Mr. Hartley was inspired to write his vile nativist screed by the hordes of Englishmen and Irishmen entering his country illegally.

  4. Frankenchrist says:

    “There are many others coming to America legally or illegally, establishing islands of culture and refusing to integrate into society.”

    Aha, therein lies the kernel of truth. Mr. Hartley is worried about legal immigrants too, because they have the gall to retain their homeland’s culture.

    And you never see Latino kids wearing American hip-hop garb or NFL jerseys because, you know, they refuse to integrate into society.

  5. Frankenchrist says:

    “Perhaps that is what is necessary to get politicians’ and do-gooders’ attention to get off their collective seats and do something proactive and positive for a change.”

    What have YOU done, Mr. Hartley? Methinks you need to join the Minutemen and get your seat down to the Arizona border.

    You talk the talk, do you walk the walk?

  6. lylelaws says:

    Frankenchrist/sandblower

    Sure, we should share what we have with the rest the people in the world. Then we could all live happily ever after together in poverty.

    Maybe you want to give away America’s future to people who come here by breaking the law, but I don’t.

    I don’t blame them for wanting to come here, but I do blame the government letting them.

    Obama’s approach to dealing with those who are illegally is nothing short of amnesty.

  7. oldman4 says:

    Franken baby you’ve had a lot to say but have refused to answer the big question. Why should anyone reguardless of race or religion or sexual orientation or the color of their hair be rewarded for breaking the law? If you enter this country illegaly the only thing you should get is an exit visa. We have plenty of individuals asking for permission to enter and you want to allow others to butt in front of them. Your smoke screen of calling us biggots and racist is getting old. The truth is simple these are the people who will work for less so you can have your cheep fruit and house help. The real shame is you and your cronnies who are looking for the modern day slave

  8. All of you liberals, I have a suggestion for your compassionate hearts. Instead of using other people’s money to further your agenda, why not pay for all of these programs out of your own pocket? Let’s see just how compassionate you really are. Put your money where your mouth is.

  9. Forsty – why don’t you tithe to the RNC – I hear they are short of funds for the media blitz.

    BTW – the thing about we who are compassionate is we are willing to give more to help others rather than hording our money in offshore tax havens.

  10. natomony says:

    In 1986 Ronald Reagan signed into law the emergency treatment act. This allows anyone, including illegal immigrants, to emergency room care even if unable to pay.
    In 1986 Ronald Reagan granted amnesty to three million illegal immigrants irregardless of age or background.
    Immediately hundreds of thousands of prior illegal immigrants became eligible for SSI and the Earned Income Credit.
    SSI was instituted by Richard Nixon.
    The Earned Income credit was created in 1975 by Gerald Ford and greatly expanded by Ronald Reagan in 1986. What a coincidence?
    In 1990 George HW Bush signed into law the Americans With Disabilities Act which allowed many of these former illegals to get even more benefits.
    These three presidents were all Republicans. Stop socialism NOW vote democrat.

  11. mathius says:

    Ok i dont have a problem with immigrants. My problem is the fact that they claim to want to come hear for a better life. When the United States wanted to be independent the people took on the most powerful country in the world at the time…If you want to think about it the people had to do it twice. The revolutionary war and the war of 1812. The people fought against a ruler they didnt believe in and won. If the people are so unhappy in the countries of there origin then instead of whinning and running away. They need to start there own revolution and fight to change there corrupt and messed up governments and change there homelands for the better. Clean up and change starts at home. If that happened im sure the U.S. and its people would be more then willing to help.

  12. mathius says:

    Richard Nixon, Gerald Ford, and Ronald Reagan all signed bills into law that had several other items in them besides SSI E.I.C a.w.d.a. There is no line item veto. Another thing all these presidents had in common was the fact that the majority in the house and senate was the democrats. In fact from the time of FDR up to Clinton there has been a majority of democrats in the house and senate. Remember the last six boom years of the Clinton presidency, the years everybody talks about, when everybody said he was so great. The republicans had the majority in the house and senate….They must of sent him some really good bills to sign for our economy to be that good then. Things that make you go hmmmmmm.

  13. natomony says:

    Well Mathius are you native american? If not then why do you dislike the current immigrants? Because they don’t look like you?

    There is no such thing as a line item veto and never will be. Those bills and acts were proudly signed and endorsed by those socialists. The president could have simply vetoed those bills. By the way george bush and comedy crew had six years of republican rule.

    So who created the Drug enforcement agency? TSA? Homeland Security? And your favorite of all time the EPA?

  14. lylelaws says:

    mathius,

    You put into words exactly what I think whenever I hear people praising Bill Clinton for our economy during his administration, because the Republican Congress was calling the shots and he was smart enough to know it.

    Thanks for pointing it out.

  15. Candles16 says:

    “There is virtually no other country in the world where someone can arbitrarily cross the border, establish residency …”

    American Exceptionalism at its best. We are a country of immigrants and people have been coming to America the same way always. No one gave the earliest pioneers in Washington state permission to settle here either.

  16. natomony says:

    Lylelaws it was the private sector who created the internet revolution not any politician. While it is true that the origin of the internet started in the 50’s with DARPA, a government program, the private sector brought it to the masses.

    The success as far as running a yearly budget surplus was because of increased taxes and huge manufacturing gains during this period.

    Unfortuanately, George Bush outsourced those jobs and decreased taxes to the point of having more deficits along with more socialism i.e., homeland security, tsa, no child left behind, drug prescription program, tarp. and increased welfare tax refunds.

  17. lylelaws says:

    natomony,

    I will admit that I am easily confused, but would you please explain your 8:00 PM comment.

    What is your point?

  18. natomony says:

    Okay lylelaws do you remember when aol set their one price unlimited time offer? What happened was millions of people went out and bought their first computer. Those computers and their peripherals were mostly made in america meaning jobs. There was a huge rush of companies to supply and invest in better infrasture such as cable instead of slow 56k over the phone modems, etc.

    During the clinton administration taxes were raised and by your own admission the republicans shared responsibility for that.

    Currently there are fewer jobs in manufacturing computers now than there were in the 1970’s because those jobs were outsourced.

    If you believe the republican congress, which is part of government, created the internet revolution then I guess you believe that the government “built that.”

  19. xring, you asked why don’t I tithe to the RNC, well maybe I already do. At least the RNC is not begging newly weds to transfer their wedding gifts and money to them like the DNC is doing. That’s a new low in politics. To ask a newly wedded couple to give up things that they need to establish a household and turn it over to the criminals at the DNC. What’s next? Sending Trumpka’s storm troopers out to raid lemonade stands because the kids don’t belong to a union?

  20. Candles16, have you ever heard of the Constitution? Were you aware that we have certain laws in this country? Many of the earlier immigrants who came to this country did so before we had a constitution, such as my ancestors who came here before the Revolutionary War. Like it or not, we now have laws, we do not get to pick and choose which ones we will abide by.

  21. natomony says:

    Hey frosty how do you know that all of your ancestors came here before the constitution was written?

    Why were so many immigrants after the constitution relegated to jobs such as coal mining and railroad jobs.

    You should go to Black Diamond where there are graves with headstones of spanish origin.

    Do you agree with the original constitution that slavery should be legal?
    What about women not being allowed to vote?

    Do you support the subsequent prohibition act?

    Did you know there was an attempt to disallow roman catholics to run for presidency during the constitution dialogues.

  22. normajean says:

    I came to this country legally 6 yrs ago. It cost thousands to get me here plus the paperwork was horrendous.
    Had I walked from Mexico to the States, I would have had an easier time. I agree with others that breaking the law is criminal but the governments are not enforcing the borders. Citizens are hurting while illegals are using resources that should be for lawful individuals living in this country. I say give amnesty to those who are here but secure the borders. Time for the US to take care of their own at home.

  23. Frosty,
    Do you have a reference for your newlywed comment?

    The probability of all your ancestors arriving here before the Constitution is somewhere between zero and none – unless you are a full blooded Native American.

    The majority of immigrants came to America during the last half of the 19th Century or about sixty years AFTER the Constitution.

  24. natomony,

    The thing about signing a bill and vetoing a bill is not that simple. If you had 50 things that are good and 1 or 2 things that are bad would you throw away the whole thing because of the one or to things. Because signing or vetoing a bill is a all or nothing process sometimes you have to take the bad with the good. Your right about Bush having a majority for six years and i didnt like that, absolute power corrupts absolutely. The fact is Clinton was a democrat and the house and senate was republican and they had to work together to get things done and it worked well. If you have a super majority regardless of it being republican or democrat it doesnt work. If you have a democrat senate and a republican house and a democrat president or a gop senate and a dem house and a gop president it doesnt work. Nothing gets done, or if there is a super majority they all get drunk with power and everybody suffers.

  25. Many of you have felonious feelings over a misdemeanor crime. What other misdemeanors result in expulsion from the US? Heck, a violent assault – a felony in many cases – doesn’t result in expulsion, but maybe it should. I think we often root for the wrong people to be removed from our society…

  26. Candles – actually the earliest pioneers did get permission to settle here – from the local Indians and from the Hudson Bay Company ( aka Here Before Christ) who also had gotten permission to be here from the local Indians.

  27. Lyle – Clinton ‘went along’ because the Republicans in Congress were willing and able to find common ground and to compromise with their Democratic colleagues thus producing bills that were good for America and the majority of Americans.

    Frosty,
    Still waiting for you to prove your ‘newlywed’ story.

    The only lemonade stand busting I have heard about was in southern red states.

    “have laws and do not get to pick and choose which ones to abide by’ – tell that to the thugs, goons, conservatives that burn abortion clinics, abuse women who seek abortions, and threaten and murder doctors who provided abortions.

  28. aislander says:

    xring writes: “The only lemonade stand busting I have heard about was in southern red states.”

    Oregon IS south of us but hardly a red state…

  29. the3rdpigshouse says:

    The only funding I will support is the funding required to return the illegals to their country of origin!!

  30. Gettingitright says:

    sandblower/Frankenchrist
    Thank you for your kind words but I too know big words and the reference to xenophobia is way off base, I have many friends from other countries and do not regard them as ‘foreign’. Actually I interact with people all over the world on a regular basis. The ones I have a problem with are those who come here illegally and receive bennies without ever paying into the system. I also have a problem with American Citizens attempting to modify our Pseudo Democratic form of govenment to a more Socialist system trying to be all things to all paople. Thanks anyway.

  31. Incredible that x has not seen the Obama ads asking for wedding gifts. The amount of news hidden from the left is insane. Wake up X/ilk, there are multiple sources of news!

    Also incredible that this thread has not mentioned checks going to illegals that file tax returns. Pay nothing, get a check! Some system.

    Look that up before you ask an ingnorant question Xring.

  32. Incredible that x has not seen the Obama ads asking for wedding gifts. The amount of news hidden from the left is insane. Wake up X/ilk, there are multiple sources of news!

    Also incredible that this thread has not mentioned checks going to illegals that file tax returns. Pay nothing, get a check! Some system.

    Look that up before you ask an ignorant question Xring.

  33. I guess I did not hit stop fast enough. Damn Apple products, supposed to catch spelling errors. . They didn’t build it, must be BHOs fault.

  34. I agree 100% with the letter writer on this one. The handouts are nation gives to those breaking the laws are AMAZING to me. Work my butt off and see my money wasted and wasted and wasted. Getting sick jsut writing this.

  35. our nation……need to start proof reading :)

  36. LeePHilI says:

    “normajean says:
    Sep. 5, 2012 at 11:51 pm I came to this country legally 6 yrs ago. It cost thousands to get me here plus the paperwork was horrendous.
    Had I walked from Mexico to the States, I would have had an easier time”

    Yeah. With any luck, you might have survived the walk so that you could live in the shadows of the law. But the good part is that you’d never have trouble finding a job because there would always be someone there to make money off you by paying illegal wages…if paying you at all.

    Why did you come here, normajean? You probably wanted a better life than the one you were living. Fortunately for you, you had access to the finances or family to assist you in a legal way.

    As to “securing borders and taking care of our own”…someone could have easily said that about you 6 years ago, regardless of your legal status.

  37. CT8:
    More increasable are the lies being said about the ‘request for wedding gifts’ or ‘Obama event registry which is a web page where supporters can register their next big celebration.
    Instead of another gift card, you will forget to use, ask your friends and family for something that will go a little further: a donation to Obama for America. Register your next celebration—whether it is a birthday, bar or bat mitzvah, wedding, or anniversary—with the Obama campaign. It is a great way to show your support for a cause that’s important to you on your big day.
    http://www.examiner.com/article/obama-event-registry-campaign-seeks-supporters-birthday-wedding-gifts

    Giving your track record – where did you find this gem of ‘refund checks’?

    The only ignorant question is the one not ask.

    Apple Products are made in China so maybe it’s a Chinese plot to make you look bad.

  38. Gettingitright says:

    natomony
    I definately agree with the Socialistic leaning beaurocracy and frankly it scares me. Sopposedly educated people apparantly do not understand we cannot have our cake and eat it too.
    Countries around the world who have espoused Social policies have
    e x o r b i t a n t tax bases to pay for their doting Government to provide them with their wants and needs. Is that really what you want here? I don’t think so! Government should understand, like the rest of us, they simply can not spend what they do not have.
    BTW I applaud normajean for her efforts to become a Citizen. She obviously cares more for this country and the opportunities it can provide than many who live here.
    And, if I were to move to Arizona for whatever reason I certainly would be nonplussed by Socialist leaning judges and politicrats who constantly interfere with common sense and logical policies instituted by local authoritits who are closer to the problem and more fully understand the ramifications thereof. Thank You!

  39. gettingitright, Joe Arpaio for president!

  40. “Instead of using other people’s money to further your agenda, why not pay for all of these programs out of your own pocket?”

    Tell you what, frosty. Just as soon as you pay for my share of the Iraq War (about $8500), I’ll send you a nickel for all those programs you don’t want to pay for.

    Deal?

  41. ehill, FYI, I did not vote for the Iraq War. It is not on my list of agendas, I do not run around and solicit for the furterance of any war. Unlike liberals who actively engage in campaigning for more money for unions, schools, welfare, food stamps, The “Dream Act”. etc.

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