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WAR: Send a clear message to Afghan chieftains

Letter by Robert L. Humphries, Puyallup on Aug. 21, 2012 at 4:32 pm with 32 Comments »
August 21, 2012 4:32 pm

Re: “Generals consider Afghan insider attacks” (TNT, 8-21).

We need to make a radical change in our “stay the course” strategy for Afghanistan. As a first action, end direct training between our troops and their would-be killers. After 10 years, don’t they have their own experienced cadre of trainers?

Secondly, send a clear message – without any diplomatic ambiguity – to all the Afghan tribal chieftains. Something like this:

We failed to change your society – we did what we came to do by uprooting and neutering al-Qaida post 9/11. We stayed too long as your “guest” in a noble, but now proven foolish, ideal to assist you into the 21st century. But we can’t seem to even get you to budge out of the 7th century. We are leaving, no later than 2014, but the gloves are off when it comes to killing anymore of our troops in the drawdown phase. We don’t care anymore about winning your hearts and minds. We can accept collateral damage to prevent anymore Purple Hearts or flag-draped coffins coming out of your country. We still have a technological capacity for use of pesticides to make your poppy-opium economy disappear for decades.

At even the most primitive level of human understanding the Taliban must have, this message should hit home, and if it saves just one service member’s life from anymore green-on-blue attacks it would be worth it.

Leave a comment Comments → 32
  1. truthbusterguy says:

    If you want to send the Afghan chief a message you remove the rules of engagement that are getting our guys killed (thanks obama) and you let the Army melt sand. This is war. Get it done and come home.

    If we lack the political will to let our boys win bring them home now.

  2. menopaws says:

    Give me a break, Truthbusterguy—Obama follows the lead of the Generals on the ground….they all do–that’s how AbuGrab happened on Bush/Rumsfeld’s watch……Everything with you guys is Obama’s fault–where were you morons during the search for those MYTHICAL WMD’s in Iraq????Hell, you want to get real, Rumsfeld FIRED most of the General ‘s who didn’t agree with him–that was a huge story…Obama got left with those guys who didn’t resign……….You want to talk about that??? Want was done to the Senior leadership in the Pentagon during the Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld years??? Trust me, Obama inherited a bunch of second raters, including that moron he had to relieve of duty in Afghanistan–the one who got drunk and shot off his mouth to Rolling Stone……Patreus was a keeper, but most of the rest would still be toiling in some procurement office had it not been for Rumsfeld’s need for “yes” men.

  3. LeePHill says:

    “you let the Army melt sand”

    Another genius who things Afghanistan is a desert.

    Thank our lucky stars will have smart generals and a wise president. Truthbuster would nuke our own troops.

  4. LeePHill says:

    make that “thinks”

  5. lylelaws says:

    Robert,

    Bring home home our brave young men and women who are being needlessly sacrificed ASAP.

    Monitor Taliban activities with satellite surveillance, send in unmanned attack drones to destroy them and place the blame for any collateral damage on those who are hell-bent on destroying our way of life.

    America didn’t provoke this war without end and no more of our troops should be coming back in flag-draped coffins.

  6. retrostryker says:

    Well Leephil I am standing in the sespool of Afghanistan and I can tell you for the most part it is a desert. The soil is sand, the sun is hot and there is little to no humidity in the air. Nothing grows here. The people cant be trusted and they are not worth “liberating”. When we do leave it will all fall apart because the people are sheep and want a religous wacko to tell them what to do and who to hate. The religion here is set up to opress the poor. The rich get to choose what part of their religion to follow but the poor get stuck with all the legalism. Kill an American and it is heaven with 72 Virginians…OOPs I mean virgins…….Kill them all and send me home!!!

  7. LeePHill says:

    Retro – you’d better tell the folks at wiki to change the geography description of Afghanistan – “A landlocked mountainous country with plains in the north and southwest, Afghanistan is described as being located within South Asia”. One of the primary assets of the Afghani fight with the Soviets was their mountainous terrain and their ability to “fight downhill”.

    Nice try.

    As to bringing troops home from anywhere in the world….the sooner the better in my book.

  8. LeePHill says:

    To Lyle and Took14 –

    Many of us – me included – supported shutting down Afghanistan way back in 2004……

    your side called that “cut and run”.

    Are you now suggesting that we “cut and run”?

  9. Frankenchrist says:

    Afghanistan has some deserts (Nimroz, Helmand) but much of the country is high forest, especially in the NE. And it all sucks.

  10. MyBandito says:

    “the people are sheep and want a religous wacko to tell them what to do and who to hate.”

    Hmmmmmmm

  11. Frankenchrist says:

    “the people (conservatives) are sheep and want a religous wacko (Rush, et al) to tell them what to do and who to hate.”

  12. the3rdpigshouse says:

    “OH-Bummer’s” precipitous drawdown under unacceptable rules of engagement is the major reason we are taking additional casualties. The checking of backgrounds on new Afghan recruits is inadequate because of “OH-Bummer’s” rush to exit Afghanistan as fast as possible so he can expedite the socialization of America if he is reelected!! Wake up people and get this marxist/socialist out of government ASAP!!!

  13. harleyrider1 says:

    I am a U.S. Marine.

    Either declare WAR and win it or bring all American soldiers home.

    This Country needs to be all in or all out. We are in a modern century but still allow one man -a President- to send troops to now fight in four (4) countries in Africa as well as continue other conflicts.

    Why?

    All in America – or all out.

  14. scott0962 says:

    Obama announced the troops were coming home by 2014, what purpose is served by keeping them there until then? We’re clearly not going to convince the Taliban to become our believers in western style democracy by then, we’re not going to change the culture there or end corruption or have any significant effect on opium production. All our boys and girls are doing between now and then is providing targets for the Taliban–and a reason to keep tolerating the perfidy of our “ally” Pakistan who controls our supply line to Afghanistan, taking our aid with one hand while supporting the Taliban with the other.

  15. Agree w/truthbuster; full scale war or send our troops home; stop being Mr nice guy on the block!

  16. SwordofPerseus says:

    Hey you dummies, yes took, 3rdpig, trutheludesmeguy, this is about profits for the likes of Halliburton and Black Water. It was never about any of the bull sh*^ that the slobs Darth Cheney, Rumsfeld and of course the shrub, said it was. Get over it, the Republicons lied and good men died. For billions and billions of dollars in war profiteering. The taliban destroyed the poppy fields, the CIA replanted them. That is what the US does all over the world. We dominate with money, corruption and murder. It’s the American way for over one hundred years.

  17. SwordofPerseus says:

    Mr Humphries, why don’t you just rush down to the Marine or ARMY recruiting office and sign up. You could be living the dream after a few short weeks of basic training and off you go buddy. Why don’t you put your money where your big fat mouth is. Just below that empty head of yours.

  18. Field Marshall SworedofPisant has spoken.

  19. SwordofPerseus (whatever fantasy world that all is about???)

    I happen the know the letter writer, he is a retired military officer. He has also spent nearly three years in Iraq since 2005.

    Now, open mouth, insert foot, and chomp!!!!

  20. sumyungboi says:

    lee: “Another genius who things Afghanistan is a desert”

    Another genius who thinks that Westport beach is a desert cuz there’s sand there.

    I see photos from Afghanistan frequently, and it ain’t exactly a tropical paradise. As I type this, it’s 0012 at KAB, 86° with a forecast of 106° tomorrow.

  21. averageJose says:

    “Send a clear message to Afghan Chieftains”… we did. We put a community organizer with absolutely NO measurable leadership skills that doesn’t believe in American exceptionalism in control of the military.

    Kooky.

  22. SwordofPerseus says:

    Perseus – see Greek mythological heroes. SwordofPerseus is a handle I have used for posting since 2006.

    @vet1954 – Sorry to see that the letter writer, “he is a retired military officer. He has also spent nearly three years in Iraq since 2005…” served his country and thought so little of why he and his fellow troops were in Afghanistan. Furthermore you failed to address or rebut a single point I made regarding the effort. Dispute my comments if you think you have some evidence to the contrary.

    A desert is a geographical area with less than 10 inches of rainfall per year. Many parts of Afghanistan are indeed desert. By that definition so is Antarctica. However Afghanistan is not considered a desert country per se. It is not somewhere we need to be as an occupational armed aggressor.

  23. SwordofPerseus says:

    Either way summy, advocating the deployment of nukes is just stupid. I am sure that trutheludesmeguy is just frustrated with the waste in Afghanistan as we all are. As usual though to resort to absurd tactics is well, absurd. How about we “cut and run”. As in cut our losses and get the flock out.

  24. SandHills says:

    Sword,

    But you made no point in that post but to insult a veteran. What you had in your prior to the ad hominem about the letter writer was a rant against profiteering and America in general.

    vet1954 was not posting on that, but your ignorance in following post – probably because there is no point arguing with a fool.

    Recommend all other posters do the same with this troll.

  25. SwordofPerseus says:

    No way to know from the LTE writer that he is a vet. Secondly my point is that we are in Afghanistan for the sake of profit, not patriotism. And there is no point to be made by our continuation of the “war”. My goal was not to insult a vet but rather point out the thoughtlessness of the letter and how tragic and pointless this last 10 years of occupation has been.

  26. SandHills says:

    Sword, you are just digging a deeper hole that shows how detached you are from reality (as if seeing yourself as a “mythical hero” doesn’t just about say it all) when you described the subject letter as “thoughtlessness”.

    I saw it as a response to all recent green-on-blue killings, as a statement that we want all our service members to get out from over there without any more flag-draped coffins or Purple Hearts – especially by the ones we were trying to train.

    Whatever you read into the main sentiment of that letter to make it thoughtless, well Sword it just belies your true nature…not a pretty picture indeed.

  27. SwordofPerseus says:

    “We failed to change your society – we did what we came to do by uprooting and neutering al-Qaida post 9/11. We stayed too long as your “guest” in a noble, but now proven foolish, ideal to assist you into the 21st century. But we can’t seem to even get you to budge out of the 7th century.”

    The Taliban were in charge of Afghanistan at the time of the illegal US invasion. They had offered through diplomatic channels to turn OBL and Al-Quida to us. The Bush administration refused to cooperate.

    Here is the thoughtless parts point by point-And by thoughtless I mean not well thought through.

    Uproot and neuter al-Quida= Fail
    Uninvited guest = Fail (polite guests do not kill their hosts)
    Nobel-what is noble about killing innocent civilians? Nothing.
    Foolish – finally some honesty.
    I would suggest that we try to get everyone in America into the 21st Century before we worry about Afghanistan.

    How is what I stated in anyway detached from reality as you so astutely point out?

    I don’t see myself as a mythical hero, I merely used the name for a number of years, as for what it implies to you, have fun.

  28. SandHills says:

    Jeeez Sword, the letter was concern for the boots on ther ground, not all the political baggage you want to heap on.

    Your other posts show some deep seeded angst that is more ate up with an ideological argument than reality.

    The letter says get the troops home, and that we don’t want no more coffins and Purple Hearts, you want to make a mountain out of a mole hill in your jousting with windmills.

    Heck, I’m not even taking my own advice and jousting words with a misguided fool…..

    You can have the last word…only shows you must be off your meds….

  29. LeePHill says:

    Oh and now a “desert” is based on temperature???????

    Oh hell…I forgot that I’m dealing with a group of people that think if it snows in Tacoma that is a sign that there is no such thing as global warming.

  30. SwordofPerseus says:

    SandHills where were you in ’01 and ’02 when so few of us were saying what a BAD idea it was to invade Afghanistan? And again in ’03 what a BAD idea it was to attack Iraq?

    Yes better late than never to pull troops out today(how about Korea, Japan, Germany, Italy, etc….) But why would I ever again listen to someone who was so wrong about such a decisive action. I have no faith in the judgement of people like Robert Humphries.

    I do not condemn the soldier for what he does, he does his job as he is ordered to do. I condemn our short sighted leaders. I want to prosecuit the leaders who led us to this crime. There is no honor in what America has done, it does not matter that some may have had the best intentions. We are all worse for this terrible stain on our history.

  31. SwordofPerseus wrote: The Taliban were in charge of Afghanistan at the time of the illegal US invasion. They had offered through diplomatic channels to turn OBL and Al-Quida to us. The Bush administration refused to cooperate.
    ______________________________________________________________

    I believe the offer was for the US to supply evidence to an Islamic court that would then conduct a trial in Afghanistan. Another iteration of the “proposal” was that OBL would be handed over to a neurtal third county selected by the Taliban.

    Who, in their right mind, wouldn’t jump at either proposal. Who are you trying to kid SOP????

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/aponline/20011014/aponline135016_000.htm

  32. sumyungboi says:

    lee: “Oh and now a “desert” is based on temperature?”

    No, but you might as well believe that one, too. You never did take the Evelyn Wood course, did you? It was supposed to have helped with comprehension, as well.

    Double the fun is the fact that you’re the one who brought up “desert” while mocking someone for something they never said. So, apparently in Lee’s mind, where there’s sand, there’s desert. :)

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