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MEDICARE: Most Republicans don’t favor changes

Letter by Joseph P. Ball, Puyallup on Aug. 17, 2012 at 11:18 am with 39 Comments »
August 17, 2012 11:53 am

Kaiser Health News reported that a survey they conducted in late July and early August with the Washington Post found that 55 percent of Republicans surveyed wanted to keep Medicare as it is, with 53 percent of independents and 68 percent of Democrats concurring.

Who do people like Ryan and other conservative Republicans listen to when pontificating on Medicare? I knew they did not listen to Democrats and independents, but now I see they do not listen to or represent the majority in their own party.

Moderate Republicans are being ignored, and God forbid there would be a liberal Republican in their midst.

If the Republican leadership in the Senate and in the House (and the rest of their gang) would represent their constituency, the Senate and the House could have legislated. But, alas, they are not there for that.

Ask Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell what he spent his energies on these last four years and we start to see why this Congress is unproductive and so maligned.

And, please do not tell me the Democrats are equally to blame. They are representing their constituency very well.

Leave a comment Comments → 39
  1. Hey Joe, Mitt said he would leave it alone.

    Next, people who want it changed are the ones paying into it today knowing it is unsustainable.

    Math is your enemy. Be a realist.

  2. And don’t blame the dems? Who passed Obamacare?

  3. ThinkerDem says:

    Mitt Romney invented “Obamacare” which was modeled on Bob Dole’s healthcare plan, and got it passed in liberal Massachusets. Mitt has shaken his Etch-a-Sketch till his arms ache, but he can’t make it disappear.

  4. LeePHill says:

    Why is Medicare, with a lower CDB “unsustainable” while insurance companies, with a higfher CDB are “sustainable”?

    Is it because conservatives throw around the word “sustainable” without knowing what it truly means?

    Of course.

  5. Or, because insurance companies charge premiums approximately equal to their outlays.

  6. SwordofPerseus says:

    Conc7 stop with the blatant lies. Your position is without merit, truth or logic(no surprises here). You are a very dull little tool when you spout cheers for insurance companies.

    No form of Medical insurance is more efficient or affordable than Medicare. If we reduced the eligibility age to zero then we would have something to cheer about.

  7. The Ryan plan is a Voucher plan which will leave seniors with over $6,000 extra to pay for insurance. Mitt says there is very little that separate him from Ryan (so much so he assured his wife that he isn’t going to replace her with his running mate).

    Yep….they are trying to sell it to seniors by telling them that it won’t affect them – just their children and grandchildren…..the ol’ “I got mine” approach to sacrifice.

  8. Since Romney (top of the ticket) said he will not change Medicare, what is your point?

    And $5tril in new debt, much more on the way with no plan to address it. Who is screwing the children and grandchildren?

  9. Fibonacci says:

    CT7
    Forgive me, I forget the name of the neutral agency, but Ryans plan will INCREASE the damned debt. Wake up!!!

  10. Fibonacci says:

    CT7
    You did not address the figure of Republicans who do not want Medicare to change. Answer the question, who do the Teapotters represent? Not the Democrats or Independents obviously, but it seems they don’t represent most Republicans either.

  11. LeePHill says:

    “CT7 says:
    Aug. 17, 2012 at 1:52 pm Or, because insurance companies charge premiums approximately equal to their outlays.”

    Someone better tell the insurance industry that they are not making any profits. Tell them CT7 said so…

  12. menopaws says:

    Quit arguing with CT7…….Not only is it a waste of your time, intellect and energy, most of what you say is beyond his comprehension. Lives for those talking points and hasn’t had an original idea of his own for quite a long time. Moderate Republicans need to start kicking and screaming to wrestle back their party from the current whack jobs and zealots who have gained control……….Trust me, many Americans want the moderate, sensible, INTELLIGENT Republicans back in charge. Some of the people I see in front of cameras these days could use a visit to both the shower and their pharmacy……….The inmates truly are running the asylum. Just trying to save some of you the frustration of dealing with some of these whack jobs on this blog……..Logic and facts are very scary for them…..

  13. aislander says:

    Keeping Medicare “as it is” isn’t an option. It’s GOING to change, even if Congress and the President do nothing…

  14. SwordofPerseus says:

    Meno- I am reluctantly forced to agree with you, conc7 is without redemption and is doomed to a life of ignorance and servitude without reward. You can lead a moron to facts but you cannot make him think.

    ‘slander- you have become even more irrelevant.

  15. Show me numbers everyone. Who has the crystal ball here? We’re not changing medicare for those over fifty-five? Vouchers at $6,000 per individual? In current dollars? What about for those under fifty-five now becoming eligible at age 67? Still $6,000. Cost of care in twenty-two years? Crystal ball anyone? Where’s the voucher money coming from?

    Solutions?? Show me some numbers.

  16. Ask them to explain the irrational and they deflect.

    Profits? Yup. Point of business. Big question is what percent and how do they earn them?

    Someone with a similar moniker has been down this road. Proved to someone (music man always off key) that the rhetoric falls short.

  17. “Since Romney (top of the ticket) said he will not change Medicare, what is your point?

    And $5tril in new debt, much more on the way with no plan to address it. Who is screwing the children and grandchildren?”

    Wow, that is a great post. Why have “menopaws” and the other posters here ignored facts?

  18. ct(new number) Mitt has said that he wouldn’t change Medicare for anyone older than 55….that is different than what you are saying he has said.

  19. Who do people like Ryan and other conservative Republicans listen to when pontificating on
    Medicare?

    Oh, I dunno’… maybe just the Medicare Trustees. The trustees latest report says Medicare will be insolvent by 2024 – now – and that date cushion keeps getting thinner and thinner with each successive report of the trustees.

    NPR says:

    The latest financial checkup for Medicare finds the health program for the elderly and disabled won’t be able to pay for all benefits due starting in 2024.

    The insolvency date for Medicare comes five years sooner than the estimate in last year’s annual report by its trustees. A crummy economy shoulders a lot of the blame for the deterioration.

    Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said at a media briefing that the outlook would have been worse without savings due to changes contained in the federal law overhauling health care.

    Still, the looming cash crunch underscores the need for action.

    http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2011/05/14/136278263/bad-economy-means-medicare-will-run-out-of-cash-sooner

    So there it is, Joseph. Now wouldn’t the more salient question be “what is 0bama’s and the democrats – especially Senate democrats- plan to avert this looming insolvency”? Your letter just sounds like warmed-over more of the same from democrats – blame it all on Republicans in Congress (conveniently forgetting that 0bama has had nearly 2/3 democrat control Congress since he came to party… er, I mean office).

    And now the meme is “attack Paul Ryan because he has a plan“.

    In the NPR article, it clearly states the insolvency date as of this year. Shall we just keep following the same ‘ol crowd over that cliff?

    It also states that the “crummy economy shoulders a lot of the blame for the deterioration”. And what has Nero done to change that? Waste two years creating yet another mega-government bureaucracy? And what’s he done since? Why campaign for reelection, of course.

    0bama doesn’t give a rip about you OR Medicare. He cares about partying with, and being adored by celebrities, and he needs to hold on to power for that ride to continue.

    And I really love this Sebelius’ quote: “the outlook would have been worse without savings due to changes contained in the federal law overhauling health care”.

    Uhmm, yeah… that would be the 700 Billion that 0bama already robbed from Medicare to help pay for 0bamacare. That’s a case of re-arranging the deck chairs if I ever saw one.

    So what’s your plan, Joe?

  20. that would be the 700 Billion that 0bama already robbed from Medicare to help pay for 0bamacare.

    as opposed to the 700 billion in “savings” from the Ryan/Romney Voucher plan?

  21. menopaws says:

    ClamatO–Again, quit with the Fox News/Romney spin….He DID NOT take 716 billion from Medicare.That is an estimate of some reduced costs by the CBO….Fact check. org has already called this a LIE, as had Soledad O’Brian in her dust-up with talking points Sununu………Just because Romney, Murdoch and company say this and use this number does NOT make it the truth. Fact check.org is non-partisan and has also nailed Obama for making some untrue charges…So, don’t post this crap—saying a lie over and over and over does not turn it into the truth…..Let’s try to be accurate…..

  22. SwordofPerseus says:

    reduce medicare to age zero, single payer system.

  23. LeePHill says:

    “that would be the 700 Billion that 0bama already robbed from Medicare to help pay for 0bamacare.”

    How long will they keep up this lie???????

  24. LeePHill says:

    “companies charge premiums approximately equal to their outlays.”

    Who in the world would try to make this silly argument?

  25. How long will they keep up this lie???????

    Probably as long as the birther, muslim, socialist/marxist, kenyan lies continue.

  26. How long will they keep up this lie???????

    What lie? You mean like Ryan’s going to push grandma over a cliff? End Medicare?

    Or do you mean the lie that Romney’s actions at Bain caused the death of a woman? That he’s the “outsourcer-in-chief”? Or that “Romney will crush the middle class with tax increases”? Are you referring to Dirty Harry Reid’s whopper “Mitt Romney hasn’t paid any taxes in ten years” (Flip Wilson told him so)? Or Debbie does Dallas Wassername Shultz and Stefannie (throat) Cutter’s reckless claim the Romney had “committed a felony”? Or to sum up a few, Romney’s a “racist gay-bashing bully who’s more secretive than Nixon and opposes abortion exceptions for rape and incest victims?

    That what y’all mean by chains… er, lies?

  27. menopaws says:

    Fact check. org—for both candidates….You rely on Fox, you end up looking like a fool………A lie is a lie is a lie…….Be an informed voter and check out this stuff……

  28. lylelaws says:

    menopaws,

    Do you ever read the comments you contribute?

    When I read them I always get a mental image of a very angry and frustrated Roseanne Barr on steroids.

  29. CT7 – prior to Obamacare insurance companies paid $0.15 in benefits for each $1.00 of premium. Under Obamacare they have to pay at least $0.85 of each $1.00 or refund the difference.

  30. took14theteam says:

    Lyle, Nice comment. I concur with the Roseanne comparison.

    The “paws” is just a leftwing troll to fire people up. I would bet a piano that it has something to do with Olympia…..

  31. lylelaws says:

    xring.

    So, instead of paying out 15% for every dollar paid in, insurance companies will have to pay out 85% under Obamacare?

    Where do you think that extra 70% will come from if not from increased premiums that most people can’t afford to pay?

    The answer is so many people would be forced to drop their coverage that the insurance provider would be bankrupted.

    Is that what you would really like to see happen?

  32. meano wants me to “factcheck”? LOL, where do you think I got the examples I posted, mens? Every one of them got either “pants on fire” ratings, or a minimum of 3 1/2 (out of 4) Pinocchios.

    But thanks for the Godwin’s Law Corollary # 3. We can always count on you… now that charliebucket has gone missing.

  33. BTW, sorry for the italics broken record. I tried bB’s trick – didn’t work this time

    Sorta like the meno broken record – except there’s no trick to fix that one.

  34. menopaws says:

    Knowledge is power……..And, really, gentlemen, shooting the messenger is the work of cowards……I am aware that Fach check.org does it’s job in a NON-PARTISAN fashion………Must stick in your craw that there is truth on the internet as well as spin……Lyle–When you post, I see someone who is still living in his parent’s garage…..and hasn’t had a date in 6 years……..You want to play this game with me—remember that I’m smarter and all you have are insults….Bring some facts to the table……..Slings and arrows only bother me when they come from people I RESPECT…..

  35. If Politifact had given the 0bama rip-off of Medicare a “Pants-on_Fire” rating like they did for the lies about Romney/ Ryan that I posted, yeah, that would have stuck in my craw… because it would have further confirmed their liberal bias:

    http://blog.lib.umn.edu/cspg/smartpolitics/2011/02/selection_bias_politifact_rate.php

    So you see, mens, when Polifact gives a democrat statement a sub-true rating, it carries about 70% more weight than a similar rating for Republicans.

    As it is, it’s just more of the same from Politifact; they find a position by republicans “mostly false”, the thinking public lets out a collective “Mehhh”.

  36. alindasue says:

    lylelaws said, “So, instead of paying out 15% for every dollar paid in, insurance companies will have to pay out 85% under Obamacare?

    Where do you think that extra 70% will come from if not from increased premiums that most people can’t afford to pay?”

    What it means is lower profits for the company, not higher premiums. If the charge more for premiums, then they would have to pay out more in benefit claims to reach that 85% ratio.

    Up to now, insurance companies have been a very lucrative investment earning as much as 85% profit. All the Affordable Care Act did was tell the insurance companies that the premiums have to be more realistically based on the costs incurred.

  37. alindasue says:

    Wow. Everything is stuck in italics mode.

  38. aislander says:

    Overall, the profit margin for health insurance companies was a modest 3.4 percent over the past year, according to data provided by Morningstar.

    USNews

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