SO much for all that “open mind” and “tolerance” stuff! Speak your mind, share your opinion…..Just make sure your opinion is the same as OURS! HAAAAAA!

And Beerboy, as far as your “third person projection”…Id be more inclined to say that I am not projecting my own opinion, but rather sharing what MOST people still see, beyond the double speak and distractions. The joining of same sex couples is just wrong in the eyes of the MAJORITY.

So far from you and others against gay marriage, all I see are arguments that have nothing to do with how we make laws, how we operate under the Constitutions of our states and nation, and least of all, how we carry out the fundamental propositions of liberty, freedom and equality under the law that our founders fought for.

We have made laws based on what the public perceives as morals, religion, myths and other issues, but courts strike these laws down if they do not meet Constitutional tests.

The Supreme Court has said that marriage and the choice of the person to marry is a fundamental human right. So no state gives anyone the right to marry. It already exists. Laws can only restrict or deny marriage, not grant it.

No matter how small a minority, a law that does not provide equal protection for all people is unconstitutional. Any exclusions must be based on reason using concrete evidence. (

Marriage between close relatives, for example, may be “immoral” to some, but the reason restrictions against it holds up in court is because there is real evidence it causes birth defects and genetic problems).

States can limit or deny marriage, but they have to show there is evidence that such a marriage will cause harm. Gay marriage has not been shown to cause harm to anyone or to society.

Freedom and equal protection under the law are the main issues, not distractions.

Proponents of the homosexual equality agenda know they can not make a convincing argument on their own merits so they often drag out the issues of some completely different battle of the past.

The average American majority will not accept the act of homosexuality as “equal” or “normal” in the way that most Americans embrace different races, or gender equality. They may tolerate it at some point, and in certain regions, such as here in the PNW, they will do so earlier, but to the average American it will never be seen as equal.

That is why there is this constant diet of distraction away from the actual issue, because they know it cant be argued on its own merit.

The central argument is Equal Protection under the Law as enshrined by the Constitution.

It doesn’t matter if you approve, or if only a minority are the ones clamoring for equal protection. This is not about acceptance by the average citizen (who oftentimes changes their minds once they realize that one or more of their loved ones are gay) – it is about equal protection under the law.

Many of the opponents have been making a “separate but equal” claim with domestic partner provisions…..and that is where the history of racial inequalities in our country comes in. Separate but equal is – as the Supreme Court has rule – not equal.

Simple fact is what proponents of this notion, a small minority, are doing is trying to avert traditional standards and morals held by the vast majority.

Just like this letter, it’s usually done by side stepping and detraction. It’s useless to try bringing racism, or feminism arguments into this. That is pure distracted justification.

The minority who support this idea, know that, and that is exactly why they fall back on those tired arguments. They know the majority will not support same sex marriage, so they need to camouflage it by bringing in completely unrelated arguments.

Unfortunately for Mr. Ibsen, getting the average citizen to accept this is going to take a long, long time….If ever.

(from thinkexist.com)

Which founding father said that things should never change?