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ELECTION: An America I no longer recognize

Letter by William Hoffecker, Gig Harbor on Aug. 13, 2012 at 1:46 pm with 54 Comments »
August 13, 2012 3:13 pm

We’re coming up on a presidential election that has real consequences.

We are looking at an administration that has had 30-plus months of over 8 percent unemployment. Fully 30 percent of our population, that’s 100 million people, is now on the government dole (food stamps, WIC programs, housing subsidies, Medicaid, etc.).

We have spent over $800 billion on a stimulus program that did nothing but forestall a few months of 8-plus percent unemployment. We continue to subsidize and give loans to “energy companies” that go bankrupt (Solyndra and others). We have a federal tax structure where 47 percent of the working people pay no federal income tax and 20 percent of workers pay 80 percent of the total federal income tax.

We have an incumbent president’s campaign ads and speeches that continuously try to divide America by wealth/income, gender, race or ethnicity. Then to top off his ad-slams, he accuses his opponent of causing a woman to die of cancer.

This dividing America may win elections, hopefully not, but it has consequences of making an America I no longer recognize.

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  1. Typical one-sided arguments that will be heard until the electio, whether democrat/republican/tea-party/confederate etc., all will skew facts to fit his/her agenda, morals and/or beliefs. Politicians divide the nation, citizens divide each other.

  2. Scottc51 says:

    The problems are clearly bigger than Obama’s ability.

  3. “Fully 30 percent of our population, that’s 100 million people, is now on the government dole (food stamps, WIC programs, housing subsidies, Medicaid, etc.).”

    Misleading statistic: this travesty of a report counts not only those on WIC or food stamps, but also anyone in their household.

    Living in a household with someone who gets Medicaid? Then according to the GOP, you’re a lazy bum on the dole.

  4. Ehill, by focusing on the minutia you show the left’s inability to address our pressing issues.

  5. And that recent Obama campaign ad is nothing short of disgusting.

    Where is the pride and honor? Has the democratic party sunk so low that they will tolerate lies of that scale?

  6. LeePHill says:

    William…what did you have to say when the Bush Administration sat by while unemployment went from 4.2% to 7.9%?

    “CT7 says:
    Aug. 13, 2012 at 4:48 pm Ehill, by focusing on the minutia you show the left’s inability to address our pressing issues.”

    A copy and paste line if I’ve ever seen one…followed by another…

    CT7 says:
    Aug. 13, 2012 at 4:50 pm And that recent Obama campaign ad is nothing short of disgusting.
    Where is the pride and honor? Has the democratic party sunk so low that they will tolerate lies of that scale?”

    Note that the second faux outrage lacks any particulars. Let me try that trick.

    “Romney’s latest campaign message was a pure lie that is the most disgusting thing I’ve ever seen. How many lies can the Republican Party tell in one message?”

    Hey…that’s kind of fun!!!

  7. LeePHill says:

    “The problems are clearly bigger than Obama’s ability.”

    ….on the contrary, Scott. The problems have slowed to no growth in unemployment since Obama stablized the situation……from the free fall that took place from 2001 to 2009….

    Obama did what Bush was incapable of doing…and got Bin Laden to boot!

  8. LeePHill says:

    “We have spent over $800 billion on a stimulus program that did nothing but forestall a few months of 8-plus percent unemployment.”

    Ask Paul Ryan about the $1.2 million “business resource center” that was built in his district with stimulus funds.

  9. SandHills says:

    Oh, and I thought it was another topic but the standard pro-Gop vs pro-Democrat rock throwing…

    I was up at Paradise this weekend and saw hoards of Indian and Chinese visitors all over the meadows not staying on the established trails – stomping on, sitting on, and picking, the wildflowers.

    Oh well, it would be too politically incorrect to post on that….so back to the rock throwing….

  10. taxedenoughintacoma says:

    Bill, great letter and thanks. You speak for many.

    I hope that America wakes up to obama’s attempts at class warfare and votes him and his administration out of office.

  11. RegisteringFool says:

    Geez! You guys just can’t get off the partisan bandwagons, can you?

    “We have to elect Obama/Biden because Romney/Ryan is so scary.”

    OR

    “We have to elect Romney/Ryan because Obama/Biden have made a big mess of things.”

    Horsehockey!

    Both sides are equally to blame. A MAJOR housecleaning is in order and you all know it.

    Wake up!

  12. sumyungboi says:

    And it’s pretty telling that democrats, regardless of who the republican vp pick would be, were chomping at the bit at the chance to, along with their media pals, destroy another person as opposed to defending Obama’s record.

  13. If you want a real look at the stimulus, what it did and what it didn’t do, I recommend this book:

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1610390091/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=thefistim-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=1610390091

    Just like almost all things done in politics, the stimulus was over-hyped, so when it did what good it could, it still wasn’t enough for many reasons, primarily that the Bush-era economic collapse was much greater than we knew at the time.

    It did prove that, in the areas where the stimulus injected government funds into infrastructure, people got jobs in the private economy, unemployment went down, there was a tremendous multiplier effect, and local economies prospered.

    In relation to its cost, it was a success, and has been responsible for increased tax revenues ( local, state and federal) that add up to more than its cost, but it will still take about 10 years to pay off at the federal level by itself.

    Demand-side economics proves itself once again.

  14. aislander says:

    tuds, tuds, tuds. PolitiFact appraises this book as “half-true,” which to me means it is full of half-truths. Calling something a “half-truth” is damning with faint praise. Add to that this guy Grabell has an agenda, working as he does for ProPublica…well…

    Are those make-work jobs still going to be there when the very few public-works projects that were funded by a fraction of the Chinese money are finished? Doubt it. You know that most of that money went to keep public employees…er…employed so that they could continue to support Democrats.

    Demand-side “economics” works only in the minds of progressives, addled by the drugs of which they are so fond…

  15. What is up with all the marketing of left wing junk?

    And Larry, don’t pretend to not know about the ridiculous, classless, and factually incorrect cancer ad. Be a better man then this lying and deflecting.

  16. LeePHill says:

    “factually incorrect cancer ad”

    A real man would just accept the ad for face value and not try to deface the man who lost his wife to cancer.

    Of course, I have to remember CT7 is among the class of people that defended FatassLimbaugh for calling a young woman a slut.

    None of this, combined with the “muslim brotherhood” lie (2012’s Reverend Wright) will save the election for the CONS, but they’ll have a great time disgracing themselves.

  17. philichi says:

    The best part about this is there is only one person in the way of economic growth. Once he goes back to Chicago business can thrive and hire again. We can drill for oil and gas, build pipelines, and allow businesses to hire.

    Even Obama can begin building his library in Chicago. That too will create jobs..

  18. LeePHill says:

    Here’s another factually incorrect for CT7:

    “When Ryan was 16, his father died of a heart attack in bed and Ryan found him there. According to Ryan, his father, grandfather and great-grandfather all died from heart attacks at ages 55, 57, and 59 respectively, inspiring his later interest in health and exercise.[14] His father’s death provided Ryan with Social Security benefits until his 18th birthday, which he saved to pay for his education at Miami University of Ohio.”

    Now….what was it that Ryan wanted to change to make his budget plan work??? Social Security.

    Yep, folks, that’s right. Ryan, who was a Social Security recipient wants to change the system for those possibly in need in the future.

  19. took14theteam says:

    How is Egypt working out for ya?

    Just ask the women over there for their opinion…..

  20. LeePHill says:

    philichi….the only way that Obama stands in the way is that the Republikkkan party can’t handle a black man in the White House, but they do control the major share of business in the United States. They know that they can continue their stranglehold on the middle class and blame it on Obama.

    Only one problem. More than half of the voters in the United States are not stupid and not falling for the game.

    By the way….how’s your stock portfolio doing since 2009? “Standing in the way of economic growth”, huh?

  21. aislander, all you can come up with is to attack the source, not the issues involved? ProPublica is an independent, non-partisan organization. In fact, Politifact relies on their analysis for many budget issues.

    I could not find where Politifact had rated Grabell’s book. I saw where they wrote a piece together with Grabell and rated Obama’s statements about most stimulus projects coming in under budget and under deadline as “half truth”, but nothing about the book.

    Could you please share with me the link?

    (They refused to consider 51% as “most” and rated the statement half-truth because data is not compiled to support Obama’s claims, not that it was necessarily untrue.)

  22. LeePHill says:

    What does Egypt have to do with an American election?????

  23. What does foriegn policy have to do with an election? What did Iraq have to do with 2008?

    What a joke.

    As to the stock market, that is one of many economic metrics. Most of it owned by the evil 1%. So BHO hooks up the rich while shafting the middle class. Great point, another reason to vote Romney!

  24. took14theteam says:

    None of this, combined with the “muslim brotherhood” lie (2012′s Reverend Wright) will save the election for the CONS, but they’ll have a great time disgracing themselves.

    There you go Leephill Larry.

    This is what brought Egypt into the conversation.

    Your deflection to the Muslim brotherhood. And we all know they run the place now, thanks to BHO. Since you are a huge supporter of women, ask the women of Egypt how they feel now.

  25. Sonofwashington says:

    William, you wonder why a small percentage of Americans are paying a large percentage of incme taxes? Have you looked into how much of America’s wealth has migrated to the top 1% over the last decade while wage earner’s pay has plummeted, even as they face rising costs in medical costs and education while their safety net is constantly threatened by the congressional fans of austerity? Did you know that 45,000 of your countrymen die every year for lack of medical coverage? Have you noticed how much of the cumulative income of Americans goes to the very top these days, even while their productivity has increased?

    If you don’t recognize your country anymore it’s because it has become corporatist and no gives allegience to protecting the rights and liberties of the countrie’s citizens, but to expanding the power and profit of the corporations. Your country is no longer a democracy, it’s an oligarchy. But hey, isn’t that what you wanted?

  26. Another letter from the group (GOP) that set the house on fire and then blamed the Firefighters (Obama) for not putting out the fire fast enough.

  27. BigSwingingRichard says:

    I am of the belief that the real issue for Obama being so ineffective is his arrogance, a “my way or the highway attitude”.

    I believe his original economic advisors gave him the correct advice on how to turn around the economy, but it conflicted with his own personal beliefs about fairness and income redistribution and so he rejected the advice and they all quit on him.

    Rahm Emanuel gave him advice to modify Obamacare to make more supportable, instead Obama outsourced it to liberals like Pelosi and Harry Reid and now the country is badly divided. Rahm Emanuel then quit on Obama.

    If you disagree with Obama, your only choice is to quit or follow Obama as he leads this country towards bankruptcy and an oversized government which is financed by debt that can never be repaid.

    If there is to be any hope for the future of America, this election should not be a close one.

  28. bobcat1a says:

    CT7, you said, “Most of it owned by the evil 1%.” Care to be a bit more specific? Like “most” would be how much? In fact, if anyone has a pension or 401K, they own stocks. My IRA lost over half its value under Bush. Now, under Obama, it is back and a bit more. I’m kind of happy about that.

  29. LeePHill says, “philichi….the only way that Obama stands in the way is that the Republikkkan party can’t handle a black man in the White House…….”

    Thats funny. I didn’t know we had a black president! All this time I thought his roots were from some cowboy white place in Kansas!

    Either way the facts show he really isn’t up to the job, only has support of starry eyed liberals, and even some of those have changed their tune. The facts show that he has pretty well, skated through this entire term.

    Hill? you and people like you aren’t going to win many arguments when you play that silly, pointless race card.

  30. CT7 wrote: Larry, don’t pretend to not know about the ridiculous, classless, and factually incorrect cancer ad. Be a better man then this lying and deflecting.
    ______________________________________________

    LeePHill responded: A real man would just accept the ad for face value and not try to deface the man who lost his wife to cancer.

    Of course, I have to remember CT7 is among the class of people that defended FatassLimbaugh for calling a young woman a slut.

    None of this, combined with the “muslim brotherhood” lie (2012′s Reverend Wright) will save the election for the CONS, but they’ll have a great time disgracing themselves.
    ________________________________________________

    LeeP, your buddy and confidante ehill would say to you, “Put on your big boy pants instead of attacking the messenger”. I say to you….anyone who would accept the ad “at face value” is a certifiable idiot.

  31. LeePHill says:

    “BigSwingingRichard says:
    Aug. 13, 2012 at 10:00 pm I am of the belief that the real issue for Obama being so ineffective is his arrogance, a “my way or the highway attitude”.”

    You have to laugh at this, when you think about the record filibusters by the GOP in the Senate

    “Your deflection to the Muslim brotherhood. And we all know they run the place now, thanks to BHO.”

    Oh yeah…I forgot, the people of Eqypt asked Obama to make the Muslim Brotherhood in control and he went over there and did it, right after he jumped over tall buildings with a single bound.

    You need to catch up on your faux outrage points. The “Muslim Brotherhood” issue is Crazy Bachman’s assertion that Obama infiltrated them into the American government.

    Pay attention to your local lunatics for details.

  32. LeePHill says:

    oldoc….so you’re saying that I should not throw back attacks when attacked? OK. I see

    Are you related to Romney? That sounded so familiar to “we shouldn’t get personal in the campaign”, after pummeling his opponents with negative ads.

    By your statement, I guess you endorse attacking the man whose wife died of cancer. That is the “disgracing” I spoke of. Keep it up. By the time the campaign is over, I’m certain the independents will be convinced more than ever, that Republicans are disgusting.

  33. LeePHill says:

    Here. oldoc….

    Let’s split a few hairs.

    http://factcheck.org/2012/08/is-romney-to-blame-for-cancer-death/

    Now, maybe you and the rest of the physicians can tell us when the woman contracted cancer, since it wasn’t detected early. (read what ACS says about early detection).

    I love how they spit hairs over health care coverage. Then, of course, there is the old chestnut about Romney couldn’t have been there because he was saving the 2002 Olympics (contrary to other documents, such as residency to run for Governor of Massachusetts).

    If you want to attach a liar, Romney is a great target. Meanwhile splitting hairs over a man’s wife’s death is as disgusting as calling a woman a slut for testifying to a panel of congressional reps.

    Welcome to the GOP.

  34. LeePHill wrote: oldoc….so you’re saying that I should not throw back attacks when attacked? OK. I see.
    _____________________________________________________

    LeeP, your buddy and confidante ehill recently said, “Oh, and by the way. Nice use of the ‘but mommy, all the other kids are doing it’ excuse. What are you, eight?”

    Nope not related to Romney….Ryan either.

    The Super Pac lead by Bill Burton is responsible for the ad that you seem so willing to embrace as absolute truth. Bill Burton was a big mover in Obama’s 2008 election and later served in the WH on Obama’s staff. Does Obama have any real connection to the spurious ad….I don’t know and won’t offer an opinion. What I do know is that the ad is blatently false but idiots like you who constantly linger at the trough of leftist misinformation spread it as if it were gospel and defend it as though it came directly from Obama.

    You can continue to deflect, lie, build strawmen, attack the messenger or employ any the many rhetorical ruses touted by ehill but you can’t change the fact that the ad was built on a serious lie.

    Now fool, I have seen many die of cancer. That any political organization would use the unfortunate death of a woman to further the political ambitions of a sitting President is the lowest possible form of partisanship I have ever witnessed.

  35. Also LeePHill….that is my last word on the subject.

  36. averageJose says:

    “William…what did you have to say when the Bush Administration sat by while unemployment went from 4.2% to 7.9%?”

    Since the democrats controlled both houses there wasn’t really much Bush could have done…

  37. Add to that this guy Grabell has an agenda, working as he does for ProPublica…well…

    LOL, embrace you inner message-killer instincts, ai. It’s okay – no need to tie your best hand behind your back in a fight, just because the adversary only weighs 90 lbs.

    Remember, he cheats. Don’t give in to the hypocrite-in-cheif.

    When the message IS the messenger, the messenger is an unfriendly – fire at will.

  38. SwordofPerseus says:

    The letter writer is obviously old and confused. He has forgotten the reason we find our selves in this collapsing economy is because we have listened the the wall street bankers for advice on how to run a country. By deregulating the banks and most industries we are reaping the rewards in the form of system collapse. Now that most of the money in this country has been moved to the accounts of the one percent. They have control over the congress and the white house. I am becoming quite cynical about elections, I think if they really made a difference congress would make it illegal. To the letter writers point about the $800 billion stimulus, this kept the country from slipping into complete depression, unfortunately it was not enough to jump start the economy. A government stimulus is necessary for the economy to resume growth, private industry will not take the risk.

    The letter writer also mentions the “federal tax structure where 47 percent of the working people pay no federal income tax and 20 percent of workers pay 80 percent of the total federal income tax.” I wonder if it occurs to Mr. Hoffecker that 47% of the workers in America are so poorly paid that they fall below the threshold of a taxable income level. In spite of how attractive it sounds to not pay income tax, most cannot afford to eat properly. Mr Hoffecker conveniently omits the fact that dozens of multinational corporations who’s businesses are incorporated in the US pay no corporate income taxes at all on billions of dollars in profit.

    The current Republican candidates for president are not suitable for the office and I in good conscience will not vote for them. As bad as some may think Obama has been, rest assured that Republicans have no plan to improve anything but their own net worth.

  39. LeePHill says:

    “averageJose says:
    Aug. 14, 2012 at 8:00 am “William…what did you have to say when the Bush Administration sat by while unemployment went from 4.2% to 7.9%?”
    Since the democrats controlled both houses there wasn’t really much Bush could have done… ”

    And now that the Cons control both houses (one by majority and one by filibuster), we removed the “can’t do anything” rule and start the game over?

    You might want to take a closer look at who controlled both houses and the Administration from 2001 to 2007, though. You should be a lovely shade of crimson…..

  40. LeePHill says:

    oldoc – I’m glad that your last attack was your final word on the subject. I, on the other hand, have more to say.

    The Republican Party never likes to deal with the results of their policies and ideology. This commercial is no different.

    The storyline demonstrates what can happen when there are arbitrary decisions made for the profits of a few. It’s an inconvenient truth and the Cons have nothing left but faux outrage misdirected at anyone possible, to attempt to malign the messenger (sounding familiar????).

    Americans will decide the value of the message and so far, the only ones upset are those that are seeking excuses for the behavior of their candidate.

    As to witnessing death due to cancer, you are not unique. Your witness nor mine can change the possibilities of early detection for this man’s wife. Of course, she’ll not be able to determine that.

  41. LeePHill says:

    “the lowest possible form of partisanship I have ever witnessed.”

    Funny how a personal story is partisanship in the lowest form, but falsely attacking a decorated veteran is not.

    How easily they think we forget.

  42. She had insurance for years after he lost his job (which occurred after Romney left Bain). 6 years later in a time of very low unemployment this guy did not find another job?

    He stuck his family’s history into politics. I have empathy for losing his wife, but nothing for attempt to enter political conversation. The fact that BHO has made him a pawn is despicable.

    There is even more to this guy’s story to discredit him, but enough has been said.

  43. http://m.seekingalpha.com/article/193014-the-haves-and-have-nots-of-the-stock-market

    BC1, I feel bad for you if this is new to you.

    Mound, so you believe in trickle down if the stock market booming is such a great sign to the middle class.

  44. Oldoc – why do you zombies believe anything conservative attack ads say but disbelieve anything liberal ads say?

    aJo,
    What Bush did was sign every budget bill that landed on his desk.

    CT7 – the reason he had no job was it had been shipped off shore, and the reason he could not find another job was the other jobs either depended on employment at the plant or were also sent overseas. Romney as the sole stockholder in BC shipped his profits to offshore tax havens to avoid paying US taxes.

  45. falkoja6 says:

    Why build an Obama Library in the first place. Since all his records are sealed there is nothing to display…

  46. Xring asked: Oldoc – why do you zombies believe anything conservative attack ads say but disbelieve anything liberal ads say?
    ____________________________________________________

    Never met a zombie but it is relatively easy to recognize a stupid question from a trolling fool. Case closed!

  47. BigSwingingRichard says:

    Prediction: The admission to the Obama library will be free, in fact, once you enter you will be entitled to food stamps, 10 more weeks of unemployment, the right to continue to vote after you die and another Obama cell phone.

    But I could be wrong.

  48. lylelaws says:

    Great comments William. Keep writing.

  49. BC1 and Larry go silent. Lol!

  50. MrCarleone says:

    Billy, Billy Hoffecker !

    A minute amount of research, and lo and behold Billy Hoffecker’s article has been plagiarized from Fox !

    Bravo Billy, Bravo !

  51. hellbntrn says:

    Thank you for your well written comment William. I couldn’t agree more. Obama’s administration is like little league, everyone gets a turn at bat. Now it’s time for Obama and the rest of his no hitters to take a seat on the bench and let the real players take the field.

  52. MrCarleone wrote: Billy, Billy Hoffecker !

    A minute amount of research, and lo and behold Billy Hoffecker’s article has been plagiarized from Fox !

    Bravo Billy, Bravo !
    _____________________________________________

    MrCarleone, please provide a link to the Fox article plagiarized by Mr. Hoffecker. Do I hear the sound of crickets?

  53. BSR – one would have to be blind, deaf, and dumb to believe Obama’s approach has been anywhere near the republican approach or ‘their way or nothing gets done.’ In fact a significant portion of Obama’s unfavorably rating comes from Democrats who believe he is too willing to capitulate to the GOP.

    Oldoc cannot answer the question so switchs to personal attack mode.

  54. Xring asked: Oldoc – why do you zombies believe anything conservative attack ads say but disbelieve anything liberal ads say?
    ____________________________________________________

    I replied: Never met a zombie but it is relatively easy to recognize a stupid question from a trolling fool. Case closed!
    _____________________________________________________

    Xring knowingly continues: Oldoc cannot answer the question so switchs to personal attack mode.
    _____________________________________________________

    Your question was a troll and idiotic on its face. It received the answer that it deserved.

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