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ROMNEY: What about Obama’s records?

Letter by Billie Jean Tilstra, Graham on Aug. 3, 2012 at 9:06 am with 203 Comments »
August 3, 2012 9:06 am

I am really becoming bored with people wanting Mitt Romney to show his income tax records. I am much more interested in viewing some of the following concerning Barack Obama’s career and past: his records from Occidental College, Columbia College, Harvard, the Illinois state Senate schedule, Illinois state Senate records and last, but not least, his law practice clients.

All these are sealed. Why? And where are the questions concerning these records? And where are the news people to ask these questions?

So Ann Romney has a beautiful horse. So what? We all know rich people live a different life than most of us. Obama does as well.

 

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  1. LeePHill says:

    Uh…..BJ…..do you know the difference between tax filings and college records?

    The Illinois state records are not sealed. You need to quit watching FOX

    Bring up birth certificates. It will make you look less ridiculous

  2. Let’s vote for the horse. It will do a better job than Romney.

  3. The dems will do anything to distract from BHOs terrible job as president. He was not vetted in 2008, now they want to talk about anything but his past or recent record.

    It’s a failure vs a problem solver. A very rich, successful manager.

  4. MrCarleone says:

    Dear BJ, have you ever sought help for your compulsion to embarrass yourself in public ?

  5. slarssen says:

    Sorry BJ, but you have it backwards. The public is becoming MORE curious as to why Romney refuses to release his tax returns for the past ten years. This is standard procedure for candidates who want to be POTUS.

    It is no secret that he is rich. He comes from a wealthy family and has enjoyed a lucrative career. Good for him. That isn’t the issue.

    Romney’s team has made the calculated decision to withhold this information from the public. They believe that taking heat and criticism for hiding his tax returns is less damaging than releasing them.

  6. SwordofPerseus says:

    I can only hope this misinformed citizen forgets to mail in her ballot.

    Give it a rest CT, you are too young to know what a good president is, you must not remember the last Reptilicon we had in the White House.

  7. I, for one, believed Ann Romney when she said the tax records would not be released because the records contained information that would harm Mitt’s chances of being elected.

    Proof straight from the horse’s mouth that the records MUST be released.

  8. sumyungboi says:

    Ah yes, a bunch of extreme left nut jobs attacking the letter writer, but offering up nothing in the way of justifying Obama’s lack of transparency.

    Of course, we all know why Obama’s college records will never be made public, as he was raised a communist, and his college writings would expose his communist ideology which in turn would turn off, in a big way, most of the electorate.

    Sorry, leftists, the only people who give one ounce of cr@p about Romney’s taxes are people who aren’t going to vote for him, anyway. I’m sort of glad that Reid started flogging that horse, because it’s the perfect intro for Obama’s own lack of transparency. And you can bet the farm that the college record issue will gain traction. Idiot independents will be much more interested in the communist rantings of a future president than they’ll be thumbing through some rich guy’s tax returns.

  9. aislander says:

    Speaking of farm, sumyungboi, did you know about the 400-acre horse farm that a former president bought for the First Equestrienne to keep her jumping horses?

    I don’t recall any outcry about that…

  10. I can think of many, many reasons Romney wouldn’t want his tax records opened to the public, but I can only think of a couple reasons why Obama’s academic records are sealed:

    * They would reveal that he was the beneficiary of a system he derides as unfair and racist

    * They would reveal that he isn’t the intellectual beacon the elitist left claim him to be

    * They would reveal his true ideology (i.e., a belief system he espoused long before he was ever worried about how they would be viewed by the American electorate… a la his 20-year association with Rev. Wright).

  11. philichi says:

    The left hates success. Romney’s tax records will show a hard working guy that made a lot of money and paid a lot of taxes.

    Just think, if Mitt Romney had stayed home and collected food stamps, they would love him and praise him.

    btw, isn’t it funny that the left finds it horrible to ask a person for their Identification to vote, yet, asking for 10 years of taxes is good?

    I hope that Mitt gives these lefties nothing.

    Now, back to their stupid economy.

  12. menopaws says:

    Okay Billie Jean—I want to see YOUR school records and YOUR voter ID and proof of YOUR CITIZENSHIP. We are all aware of this really sick game of attempting to make our African American President something nefarious (look it up lady) and part of a huge conspiracy to defraud America. The sheer magnitude of the fact that you think you have the right to DEMAND his college transcripts says that you obviously don’t respect anyone who is “different”. But, since I find your prejudice offensive to ME, let’s see you pull out those records to make sure you have the RIGHT as a real citizen to make those accusations………….I mean, honestly, you could be an illegal alien, a Muslim….a SOCIALIST…….You could be part of a huge conspiracy and need to PROVE you are not………Why should anyone believe ANYTHING you say without proof that you can legally be here…or vote…….
    Atticus Finch, in “To Kill a Mockingbird” said that you truly understand a man, you need to walk a mile in his shoes………..Yours have lots of holes in them……….Get a life.

  13. sumyungboi says:

    menopaws, how nice of you to show your racist side. I know, I know, it’s difficult for leftists to _not_ run straight to racism, it’s like the computer on the “Dallas” defaulting to “seismic anomaly” anything that’s beyond it’s capacity to grasp.

    Anyway, the first black president turned out to be an anti-American communist. Not our fault, it just is.

  14. Reagan and Carter released only 1 year.

    2 years into his presidency Romney will release his tax records going back a decade. That is about the same time BHO posted his BC.

    Meno- you know BHO was raised by a communist. Fact. He later hung out with terrorists. Fact. He was serious drug user. Fact.

    This guy should not have been hired as a garbage man.

    Play your race card. It means you are out of rational excuses for his failures.

  15. philichi says:

    menopaws, thanks for clearing this whole thing up. Now I understand. It is just a race issue. You think that Obama is great because he is black.

    If Romney was black, the left would not require to see his tax records.Is that right? You want to see his records because he is white.

    It must be very confusing to be a lefty. Do you ever confuse yourself?

  16. funny how the “he wasn’t vetted properly” crowd are falling all over themselves to make sure the next guy isn’t properly vetted.

  17. menopaws says:

    I see the dimmer bulbs are out today—-what I think about Obama is not the issue, you idiots………Sarcasm is obviously way over your heads…..I was trying to make a point of what I THINK of Billie Jean………Walking a mile in her limited shoes, etc………..But, hey trying to explain it isn’t worth the effort….I’ll just let all of you name call and do your somewhat limited little dance…………And, I sincerely hope the day comes when YOU have to show YOUR papers…………This is the dumbest crowd of bloggers on the planet…Can’t cut the mustard anywhere else?? Have fun insulting me and anyone else who can walk and chew gum at the same time….No wonder you are Tea Baggers–not even smart enough to be true Republicans…….

  18. And….lest we forget….it was Gingrich, et al who were first calling for Mitt’s tax records during the GOP primaries.

  19. And let’s not forget who started the birther movement.

    And did Newt’s strategy work for him?

  20. averageJose says:

    I lefty aquaintance of mine once asked me how Obama’s college transcripts would give insight into his ideology and agenda… seriously.

    Speaking of an aquaintance… bB takes the typical tack – “they did it first”……the rationale of bus bullies and demoyalists. ;)

  21. sumyungboi says:

    menopaws, we get it, you’re a racist, and it gnaws at you, bad, that the first president that wasn’t a white male makes all the previous presidents who were white males look like pretty good about now. Don’t blame us, homes, it’s just how things shook out. Maybe if you guys didn’t think about race 24/7 and had sent a decent candidate, the economy wouldn’t suck wind right now. My dog could’ve beaten McCain, but your side insisted on running a communist.

  22. IMO;

    Sumy – the louder and longer you scream the less you say.

    Aislander – ‘400 acre horse farm’ – deflection, distortion, and innuendo.

    Air84 – more horse dejecta.

    Pchi – several highly placed Republicans have called for Mitt to release the records.

    CT7 – nothing but lies, more lies, and right wing talking points.

    aJo – those who go to college soon learn the secret of success is to give the professors what they want – even if you don’t agree. Some of my college papers make me sound like a born again, fundamentalist, evangelical jesus freak.

    Sumy – we get it – you’re attempting to use Saul Alinsky’s tactics. And not doing a very good job.

  23. sumyungboi says:

    xring: “Sumy .. you’re attempting to use Saul Alinsky’s tactics. And not doing a very good job”

    From the kid who’s previously claimed to know next to nothing about Saul Alinsky. You guys are so precious!

  24. aislander says:

    Hey, if it’s a big deal that Ann Romney has an expensive horse, why wasn’t is a big deal that Jackie Kennedy had a string of jumping horses and JFK bought a farm for the sole purpose of maintaining those horses?

    That isn’t deflection because it is an exact parallel, nor distortion because it’s true, and it’s not innuendo because I’m saying it outright.

    It seems that xring’s comment IS all of those things, though.

    So…was JFK “out of touch?”

  25. falkoja6 says:

    The POTUS is not, and I emphasize, NOT, an African-American. His mother was white. He is a Mulato.

  26. sumyungboi says:

    falkoja6, _very_ few black guys in the USA are African-American, and many have at least some white in them. Regardless of what label you want to put on his pigeonhole, the left obsesses the fact that he’s black, and tries to disguise their own racism by crying “racism” to any critique of the guy. It’s like how they just can’t tolerate perceived intolerance.

  27. alindasue says:

    As I understand it, it is fairly standard practice for presidential candidates to release their last few years of financial records, although I’ve yet to fully understand the demand for it. I find it equally hard to understand why people are now demanding President Obama’s complete education records when they don’t seem to be expecting the same from Mitt Romney.

    Is there no pebble (not big enough deal to be considered a rock) that people will leave unturned in their search for more not-yet-dried mud to fling?

    I note with amusement that the address for this letter’s page is “frankly-scarlett”. I’m sure you all get the Gone With the Wind reference.

    There are ways to “vet” a candidate without waiting for the really-really-really-true-accepted-even-by-kooks birth certificate, insisting a candidate violate his lawyer-client confidentiality with past clients, or needing to know exactly how much a candidate spent on his wife’s horse. How about we look at candidates’ policies, voting records, experience and other things that are really necessary to the job that the candidates are running for.

    All this mud flung from under pebbles is just dirtying things up so we can’t see the whole picture as clearly.

    aislander said, “So…was JFK “out of touch?””

    Some people thought so, but that besides the point. The Kennedy’s are a wealthy family. If they – or the Romneys – want to spend their money on horses, it’s their right to do so.

  28. sumyungboi says:

    alindasue, what’s going on here is simply a refusal to respond to every half-baked lie that the left throws out. Harry Reid has accused Romney of not paying taxes for the last ten years. This comes from an anonymous source which he won’t name.

    It’s no mystery what’s going on here. Romney is mega rich, and the entire exercise is to get ahold of Romney’s tax records to use in democrat class warfare political ads. Reid’s lying, of course, since if what he’s saying were true, the IRS would already have acted, and it’s not as though he cares, he has four more years for his constituents’ memories to fade.

    Secondarily, if the whacko left can coax Romney into reacting to every slime they throw out there, that’s all he’d be doing. Obama’s record can’t be defended, it sucks, in a big way, and the left’s only hope is to dangle shiny objects in front of idiot independents for the purpose of distraction. Fortunately, most people think more about their own money than worrying about some other clown’s tax return.

    Anyway, I know you already know all this, being a fringe leftist, but there you are.

  29. aislander says:

    alindasue writes: “The Kennedy’s are a wealthy family. If they – or the Romneys – want to spend their money on horses, it’s their right to do so.”

    I’M not suggesting it isn’t, but a lot of people on the left are. But only if the wealthy family are Republicans…

    Which was my point.

  30. Frankenchrist says:

    Mittens is hiding the fact he paid ZERO taxes over the last ten year.

    Harry Reid isn’t backing down; he’s doubling-down.

    Sue him for libel, Romney. Prove him wrong, lol.

    Romney is a pathetic spineless wimp. A human jellyfish. All Republican are embarrassed that he is their nominee.

  31. Sumy – What I said was ‘I had never heard of SA till the righies brought him up’. Since then I have actually read Rules for Radicals.

    You are so cute when you try to play big boy.

    Aislander – Just because you say it does not make it true.

    Alindasue & Sumy – Ann Romney has stated that they are not releasing the records to protect Mitt’s chance of being elected. That alone is enough for some even Republican Leaders to request the records be released.

    As for JFK – maybe it was because when he talked football he talked football and not about the team owner’s he knew.

  32. alindasue says:

    sumyungboi,

    Have you ever considered that President Obama’s not posting his birth certificate or list of law practice clients “is simply a refusal to respond to every half-baked lie that the [right] throws out”?

    It’s no secret that the insistence on the release of personal or confidential information on both sides is for use in whatever-“warfare” political ads.

    If you’d clear the mud out of your eyes for a bit, you might see that I am such a “fringe leftist” that my oft-stated preferred candidate for this presidential election was the Republican, Jon Huntsman, who is unfortunately not still in the running.

    Sadly, Mitt Romney is no Jon Huntsman – but I don’t need to see six years of his tax records to know that.

  33. sumyungboi says:

    xring, do you think that releasing college records, transcripts, thesis, etc, would hurt Obama’s chances of re-election?

    Of course, everyone with an IQ above zero knows that it would. Not that I expect a straight answer, I’m sure you’ll beat around the bush and concentrate on sliming Romney.

    Regardless, like I’ve said, reading a bunch of communist rants is far more sexy to the typical Grey’s Anatomy viewer than going through a rich guys tax returns, so I’m kind of glad you whacko leftists brought it up.

  34. alindasue says:

    xring said, “Alindasue & Sumy – Ann Romney has stated that they are not releasing the records to protect Mitt’s chance of being elected. That alone is enough for some even Republican Leaders to request the records be released.”

    Perhaps, but I have come to the conclusion that Mitt Romney’s biggest threat in this election is Mitt Romney himself.

    Rather than running on his successes with health care reform while governor of Massachusetts, he tries to divorce himself from it simply because President Obama used it as a basis for his own reform. Thereby, he both showed a tendency to “flip-flop” and removed one of his strongest assets from his resume.

    In his latest trip abroad to England and the middle east, he showed a prowess for “diplomacy” that surpassed even some of George W. Bush’s more notorious moments. Given his often argued about business record, he really needed to show the voters how he would respond in international relations.

    I think even if he released his tax records and everything was spotless, he’d still have Mitt Romney himself to contend with…

  35. aislander says:

    alindasue: Romney’s alleged gaffs on the international stage were mostly exaggerated and/or misconstrued by the Dems and the press (sorry to be redundant).

    Would you assert, for example, that culture doesn’t influence behavior, or would you be comfortable conflating culture with race, as many on the left are prone to do?

  36. alindasue says:

    sumyungboi said, “xring, do you think that releasing college records, transcripts, thesis, etc, would hurt Obama’s chances of re-election?”

    I don’t think so. How those records would be interpreted would be determined by the biases that people already have about him. Nothing would change.

  37. alindasue says:

    aislander said, “Would you assert, for example, that culture doesn’t influence behavior, or would you be comfortable conflating culture with race, as many on the left are prone to do?”

    Yes, culture does influence behavior. However, understanding the local cultures and behaving accordingly is a very important part of diplomatic relations. (“Race” has nothing to do with it.) Mitt Romney did not take the time to learn about – or was unable to understand – the cultures of the people that he would be dealing with during the trip.

    The British press are not biased towards one party or another in our country. They are biased toward their own country and culture. When a American diplomat visits their country, he is expected to understand that.

  38. aislander says:

    alindasue: Romney’s remarks about the Israeli’s doing better economically than the Palestinians due to cultural differences were characterized as “racist” by some on the left. THAT is conflating race with culture.

    Those particular remarks were also termed the most insensitive and controversial. I believe they were incisive and cut to the heart of the matter.

    What do you think?

  39. http://m.newsbusters.org/node/57736

    Media reporting on Romney’s trip abroad.

    Alindasue, you are being played.

  40. aislander, I know you asked alindasue, but I’ll jump in because your support of Romney’s ignorant statement just compunds the idiocy of it. Saying that the Israeli’s have a better culture and that is what makes them more successful is like saying the slave holders were more successful than their slaves because the slave holders had a better culture.

    “Cutting to the heart of the matter” (as you put it) would have required Romney to admit that Israel as the dominant power purposely restricts trade, education, property ownership and other activities in order to keep Palestinians from creating a successful culture.

  41. alindasue says:

    aislander,

    What do I think? I think the term “racist” is often used in situations that have nothing to do with race. “Racist”, just like “socialist”, “Marxist”, and a few others have lost their meanings in much of these debates as people fling the words as emotion based insults rather than in situations where the actual meanings of the words would reply.

    In Israel, Mitt Romney again showed lack of diplomatic prowess in addressing the Israel/Palestine issue. “Cultural differences” is only a small part of why Israel is doing so much better financially than Palestine. The situation there politically as well as culturally is very touchy. Each word spoken there by what may potentially become the future leader of the United States must be weighed carefully. That is not the place for glib comments or catered platitudes toward the audience he is currently addressing at the moment. If he does become president, what he said that day could well taint his effectiveness in future negotiations between to the two warring sides.

  42. alindasue says:

    CT7,
    I look at anti-liberal sites and anti-conservative sites with equal disdain.

    I’m afraid that once I saw the site heading “exposing & combating liberal media bias”, I didn’t read any further. If you want to make a point with me, try providing a link that at least pretends to be somewhat unbiased.

  43. alindasue says:

    “…rather than in situations where the actual meanings of the words would reply.”

    That should be “…would apply”. Sorry. Spell check doesn’t catch everything.

  44. Fibonacci says:

    CT7
    Your site is about as reliable as Pravda would be for someone on the left. But, since it agrees with YOUR bias it must be accurate right?

  45. Frankenchrist says:

    Earlier in the day, Reid launched another round of attacks on Romney, this time for “insulting” the American public by refusing to release his tax returns.

    “It’s hard to say which is more insulting to Americans’ intelligence, Mitt Romney’s tax plan or his refusal to show the American people what’s in his tax returns,” Reid said in a statement. “Romney seems to think he’s above the basic level of transparency and openness that every presidential candidate has lived up to since his father set the standard in 1968.”

  46. LeePHill says:

    Newsbusters?????????????

    HOHOHOHOHOHHEHEHEHEHEHAHAHAHAHA

  47. took14theteam says:

    And Reid is a political hack ass……

  48. menopaws says:

    sumyungboi………You must be the dimmest bulb of all….You keep saying I am anti-Obama and a conservative blogger. I haven’t voted for any Republican in a very long time….I voted for President Obama and campaigned for him and am doing the same thing now……….I am old enough to say I marched in the civil rights movement in the 1960″s and I believe that all those who want to see his “papers” are thinly disguised racists who know it is not POLITICALLY CORRECT TO ADMIT IT……..They make a lot of excuses, but they are racists and they resent his success and his knowledge that sometimes you have to lead the sewer rats as well as the rest of the tribe………Your name is disturbing and you are totally off the mark..My point is that this writers hypocrisy is shameless and she should walk a mile in someone elses shoes before she passes judgement……..I think we should all think about what it would feel like to have everyone question our birthright, our education, our right to vote……….Asking someone to show their papers is what Hitler did in Germany….How short a walk is that?

  49. aislander says:

    So…alindasue AND tuddo: Name me the Arab nation that is doing well economically–let’s say entrepreneurially–that isn’t floating on a sea of oil.

    Culture.

  50. Alindasue – can’t argue with that – Mitt’[s handlers should figure out how to keep him away from the press and all public events.

    Those British Papers can be brutal even to their own Pols, let alone a Colonial upstart that bad mouths anything British.

    Aislander –
    The ‘Mitt the Twit’ headline ran in the Sun Daily News of London.
    The Sun is owned by the News Corporation.
    Rupert Murdock is the Chairman of News Corp. and the Murdock family controls 30% of the company.

    So either the liberal press has infiltrated News Corp, or even the conservative press thinks Mitt is a twit.

    So Jackie K rode horsed. So what. Horses and who rode them is not germain to the discussion.

    Mitt’s Israeli remarks reinforce my belief that Mitt needs a muzzle because his mouth is his worst enemy.

    CT7 – case you missed it the London paper that ran the “Mitt the Twit” headline was one of Rupert Murdock’s rags.

    No one on this side of the pond cared a plug nickel about Mitt’s grand tour until Mitt began winning enemies and angering the locals.

    If Obama beat Romney in a one-on-one checkers game, the right wing media would report Romney came in second while Obama came in next to last.

  51. sumyungboi says:

    menopaws: “sumyungboi .. You keep saying I am anti-Obama and a conservative blogger”

    Put down the bong, kiddo, I said nothing of the sort, which tells me that you’re either drunk, high, both, or mentally unstable, and in any case your opinion is unworthy of print.

  52. aislander says:

    xring writes: “Horses and who rode them is not germain to the discussion.”

    So…why are you guys so concerned about Ann Romney’s horse?

  53. aislander says:

    …and the horse YOU rode in on…

  54. averageJose says:

    LMAO… fun thread. :D

  55. Do you know what that same paper said about the games the week before Mitt’s comment? Did you even hear what he said?

    More distraction from BHOs failed admin.

  56. bobcat1a says:

    Philichi, “Romney’s tax records will show a hard working guy that made a lot of money and paid a lot of taxes.”
    Are you tone of the few besides Mitt who has seen those returns? Or is this just another case of wishful ideology?

  57. BC1- Mitt stated he paid a lot of taxes. Now you call him a liar? I heard him say it today (on the evil FNC).

    Harry Reid, a total lowlife destroying the senate, or Mitt Romney, a very successful problem solver. The man who saved an emplyee’s daughter.

  58. That site simply showed the extreme negativity of the media reporting on Romney’s trip abroad (contrasting it to their reporting on the One’s trip as a candidate).

  59. Frankenchrist says:

    God bless Harry Reid! He is beating the living crap out of Mittens every day. Very fitting for a former boxer.

    If Harry Reid is lying why doesnt Mittens sue him for libel? Clearly, Harry Reid isn’t lying. Romney hasn’t paid taxes in over ten years.

    Romney is a palooka. He should have done a little boxing himself instead of that manly sport of horse ballet. What a wuss.

  60. beerBoy says:

    aislander – so wealth of all countries isn’t to be considered because they are blessed with an abundance of natural resources? Or is it just the Arab countries that are disqualified?

  61. beerBoy says:

    aislander – yes, Israel is doing far better economically due to their culture – which supports an oppressive, apartheid regime supported by billions in US military aid.

    Of course…..you know it might be considered antisemitic that Israelis are culturally focused upon making money…..

  62. NWflyfisher says:

    Tax returns are subject to privacy laws.
    What Obama is hiding by having all his PUBLIC records sealed?

  63. LeePHill says:

    What public records did Obama have sealed?

  64. LeePHill says:

    http://factcheck.org/2012/07/obamas-sealed-records/

    Here we go again….more “made up facts” about Obama…..

  65. menopaws says:

    LOrd–billie Jean brought the rest of the whack job club out……..Walking a mile in another man’s shoes is toooooo much work for this lazy bunch………….Our President doesn’t have to prove ONE damn thing about his education to most of you…..Let’s be honest—his education intimidates most of this crowd………The Fox news propaganda machine keeps all of you occupied and that may be a good thing for the rest of us………Keeps you off the streets and out of sane people’s faces……..

  66. BigSwingingRichard says:

    How did it occur in American history that people believe that they are now entitled to see someone else’s tax return?

    If anyone thinks you have this right, go knock on the doors of all your friends and neighbors and ask to see their tax returns. Let me know how they respond.

  67. LeePHill says:

    Uh…Dick…..Romney is running for President. Did you miss the memo?

    You had no problem asking for a birth certificate.

  68. alindasue says:

    LeePHill said, “http://factcheck.org/2012/07/obamas-sealed-records/
    Here we go again….more “made up facts” about Obama…..”

    I found it somewhat amusing that they appeared quite miffed to have to again be debunking the exact same list of “facts” that they had to debunk in 2008.

    I loved the check-able list of sources for their information that followed the article. (Would that more of the comments here contained such documentation.) That’s one of the reasons why FactCheck.org is one of my favorite sites. Another reason is because they don’t limit their checking of “facts” to just one political party. There’s plenty of truths, half-truths, and outright lies to go around on all sides…

  69. nwindependent says:

    I think we all should be patting Romney on the back in gratitude for the millions he pays in federal taxes every year. He pays more in one year that all of us will ever pay over our lifetimes. When everyone talks in percentages, 15% doesn’t seem like much, but when you see the actual number in the millions, I think we should be thanking him.

  70. LeePHill wrote: (Uh…Dick…..Romney is running for President. Did you miss the memo?

    You had no problem asking for a birth certificate.)
    ———————————————————–
    LeeP, the US Constitution required US citizenship. Now a citizen must the native born or born abroad by two US citizens.

    A thorough search does not uncover any mention of tax returns. Did you read something into the memo?

  71. alindasue says:

    oldoc,

    I think the point was that birth certificates, like tax returns, are private documents. Technically, a presidential candidate only has to present his proof “native born” citizenship with the paperwork he files to begin his candidacy. He does not have to make a copy of the birth certificate public.

    aislander,
    Regarding your earlier questions to me, this FactCheck.org article is for you:
    http://factcheck.org/2012/08/romneys-racist-reference-to-palestinian-culture/

  72. LeePHill says:

    olddoc….when did George Bush, Ronald Reagan or Jerry Ford have to provide a birth certificate?

  73. LeePHill says:

    Since Jerry Ford wasn’t raised by his natural parents, who would be more likely to have a birth certificate check?

  74. When they were not born into a family of communists and foreigners.

  75. LeePHill says:

    Obama is to communism as CT7 is to intelligence

    “foreigners”????

    Ohhh…..xenophobia…..

  76. LeePHill says:

    Since when does being a communist mean that you weren’t born in the US?

  77. LeePHill wrote: (Uh…Dick…..Romney is running for President. Did you miss the memo?

    You had no problem asking for a birth certificate.)
    ———————————————————–
    I wrote: LeeP, the US Constitution required US citizenship. Now a citizen must the native born or born abroad by two US citizens.

    A thorough search does not uncover any mention of tax returns. Did you read something into the memo?
    —————————————————————–
    LeePHill responded: olddoc….when did George Bush, Ronald Reagan or Jerry Ford have to provide a birth certificate?
    —————————————————————–
    I’m just pointing out that the US Constitution nor any law in the US Code require a candidate produce tax returns. It does, however, outline a citizenship requirement. My question to you was simply, where in your file of “memos” is the mandate to produce tax returns? Further, BigSwingingRichard made no mention of birth cedrtificates……it was you who brought up the subject…not BSD and not me.

  78. LeePHill says:

    Well, olddoc…..I guess some candidates for federal office find it necessary to provide such information and others think that they don’t have to do so.

    http://www.taxhistory.org/www/website.nsf/Web/PresidentialTaxReturns/

    Bigswingingrichard has mentioned birth certificates in past comments. If you are not up to par on the history of comments on this forum, just continue to watch and you’ll see.

    Since we are checking birth certificates on presidential candidates, when is Romney providing his?

  79. LeePHill says:

    oldoc….there is no constitutional law against Mitt Romeny using racial slurs in a presidential campaign, can we rest assured that he will be exercising that right to freedom of speech any time soon?

  80. RegisteringFool says:

    Want more of the same? Want us to continue our invasive hegemony in the Middle East? Want to continue the failed War on Drugs? Support the Patriot Act and NDAA? Want to see your currency continually devalued? Vote Rombama!

    If you don’t want these things you need to stop supporting the Crips and Bloods of modern politics (red and blue, get it?) and vote your conscience instead of how you are told to vote.

  81. sumyungboi says:

    lee: “Obama is to communism as CT7 is to intelligence”

    Obama’s grandparents were fringe leftists and acquaintances of Frank Marshall Davis, a well known American communist who often contributed to communist periodicals. He would have been arrested had the cold war turned hot. He was also a mentor to a teenaged Barack Obama at his grandparents request. Obama as an adult and seeking political office as a state senator, became a member of the New Party, a far left whack job organization the purpose of which was to steer the democrat party to fringe socialism, a party which endorsed one of its members (Frances Fox Piven) strategy of overwhelming the American welfare system for the purpose of social collapse into anarchy, resulting in communism.

    These are facts, and yes, I would like to see his college writings. He’s very obviously hiding something that he believes would damage him beyond repair.

  82. Hill- do you know anything about Stanley? Or Sr?

    Keep your head in the sand.

  83. LeePHill wrote: oldoc….there is no constitutional law against Mitt Romeny using racial slurs in a presidential campaign, can we rest assured that he will be exercising that right to freedom of speech any time soon?
    _____________________________________________________________________

    There is also no constitutional law preventing Barack Obama from lying to the American public. Does this mean that he will continue to do so? Get serious!

  84. philichi says:

    bobcat, Do you assume that Mitt has committed a crime? Gosh, if I neglect to report a dividend on my tax return I get a demand note from the IRS. If Mitt has done something wrong, I assume that they would have put him in jail by now! Where am I wrong here?

    Relax, my friend, this issue will be over soon. The left will than have to discus the Obama growth plan. I assure you, that will be far more ugly than whatever you will see in the highly complex tax returns of real businessman.

    Wouldn’t it be a relief to have a President that understands a tax return? Income statement, and balance statement ? I think that our county is so financially in trouble that we now need adults to come back to Washington.

  85. aislander says:

    So…beerBoy…what effect does Israel have on the “booming” economies of North Africa? That is why I purposely expanded the discussion beyond the Palestinians (who would be in an economic toilet without any assistance from the Israelis, thank you very much. In fact, the Palestinians are better off than their Arab brethren–oil income aside–BECAUSE of their association with Israel…)

  86. aislander says:

    Singapore, Japan, and Hong Kong ALL do very well with little or no natural resources. Switzerland, too, and I’m sure you can come up with some others.

    Culture matters.

  87. philichi says:

    Romney is right about Israel. If not, why arnt the Israeiies in line to get jobs with the PLO every day. Instead it is the other way around. I remember when they were badgered in to giving land back to the Palistinions They had to give a full hot house tomato business that was several acres. When they saw it again, it had been totally demolished and no longer useful

  88. alindasue says:

    If Israel is doing so well, then why is our country continuing to send them money for military aid every year?

  89. BigSwingingRichard says:

    I never mentioned BHO’s birth certificate. When someone cannot answer a comment, they usually just try to change the subject.

    Mitt Romney provided his tax information for two years and he did so voluntarily.

    Once again: Please, someone explain to me why (unless you work for the IRS) you have the right to see someone else’s tax return?

    I am pretty sure the right to privacy still exists in America and that most Americans would agree with this, with the possible exception of liberals.

    I am waiting.

  90. alindasue says:

    I agree that the right to privacy does still exist – or at least it should. The call from both sides for candidates to expose their private records – birth certificates, school records, tax and financial records, etc – has reached the point of ridiculous.

    BigSwingingRichard, the “exception” applies to more than just the “the liberals”. The “conservative” hands aren’t any cleaner in this matter.

  91. aislander says:

    If Israel is going to act in the interest of the US in the Middle East–and it does–and if Israel is going to be an excellent customer of our defense industry–and it is–then it is also in our interest to provide aid to its military…

  92. AI- you can be rational about this all day, it will not overpower the racism and looney conspiracy theories involving Israel and the Jewish people.

    A more interesting question is why they still support the dems. I predict that in this election and over the next decade, support to the dems will decline. You cannot avoid bigotry when you mention Israel/Jewish around a liberal.

    Another interesting conversation is why to they hold Arabs in such high esteem?

  93. menopaws says:

    oldoc—–that Constitutional thing about lying….Have you found those WMD for Bush/Cheney yet????Sumy–the only successful bullies are the smart ones and guess what????Several bloggers have bested you and your arguments…..Go read a book and come back if you manage to learn something………Your meanness is the refuge of the uninformed…and we all know it…..Work on expanding that learning curve–maybe you and billie jean can make it a project……But, to be honest, your insults do little to support any arguments you make…..Learning some manners might be helpful too……Good luck with that…done replying to your stuff–whistle to the wind, fella….

  94. LeePHill says:

    CT7 – sorry…I don’t read the right wing blogs like Newsbusters.

  95. sumyungboi says:

    menopaws, excellent rant, but nothing intelligible, lacking any substance whatsoever. My last comment laid out the case for further vetting Obama’s past, but like almost all leftists who can’t hold their own in debate, you resorted to an insubstantial philippic outburst. You’re being played, menopaws, and I guarantee you that your place in the glorious workers paradise is no more glorious than the ball bearing factory saying “yes sir” to your overseers.

  96. A321196 says:

    I’m not really concerned about his income tax records. We know Republican big shots do not want to pay taxes and go to any length to avoid them. It’s the American way! :)

    I am more concerned about the saber rattling Romney wanting to continue our wars and start a new one against Iran. It is interesting to note Romney was a Viet Nam War hawk, willing to send others to fight, while he chose to go to France at a Mormon missionary for thirty months. After he left Stanford after a year, he should have been prime draft material. But, like others of positions of entitlement he was able to support the Viet Nam War by sending others to do his fighting.

    I know Clinton did the same thing. You don’t have to tell me! :)

  97. LeePHill says:

    I can see where CT would be intimidated by…

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ann_Dunham

  98. aislander says:

    CT7: I think that libs have an affinity for Arabs for two reasons: Islam is not entrepreneurial; rather it is avowedly sociallistic, and the two have a common relative that may not be mentioned without fear of incurring a Godwin infraction…

  99. We know you only read far left sites and local news blogs. Your mind is closed.

    Intimidated by someone who has passed on? No. But her legacy is possibly the worst leader in our history. 8.3%. $5+ trillion. Class, sex, religious, race, party divides, all encouraged by her son.

    She married a guy already married (well, she was already knocked up at the time). Came to Wa to send young Barry to a commie school.

    All these facts bother you. They bother all Americans. They made him the failure he is today.

  100. LeePHill says:

    “aislander says:
    Aug. 4, 2012 at 5:58 pm CT7: I think that libs have an affinity for Arabs for two reasons”

    http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=picture+of+bush+kissing+saudi+king&view=detail&id=FE5E8726CB730DFF90BFDB39E6B9AFD74F80C07D&first=1

    One picture is worth a handful of disconnected words.

    As to the entrepeneurial spirit of Islam versus Christianity…..Jesus was a socialist.

    http://ned-lawrence.soulcast.com/49031/10-Reasons-Jesus-was-a-Socialist

  101. LeePHill says:

    CT7 – I have just a name for you…..DR. Stanley Ann Dunham

    We realize that people of knowledge intimidate you so you and your fable-like websites create a level of ridiculousness to help you through the dark nights of intellectual vacuum. (no, not something that sucks…well…sort of)

    “knocked up”? You mean she married Barack’s father….unlike the Palin kid and her sleepover pal? There’s something to be said about women who know the right thing to do….

    “FACTS”? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA… You mean “self proclaimed” “facts”

  102. LeePHill says:

    “commie school”

    Oh this I have to see……

    Which one of the schools was “commie”????

  103. aislander says:

    Please cite for me the passage in which Jesus advocated for government to take
    from some to give to others.

    Seems He was concerned with the behavior of individuals…

  104. LeePHill says:

    “Came to Wa to send young Barry to a commie school.”

    YooHoo……CT7….please tell us which commie school Barack Obama attended in Washington…..

    Please cite where socialism is expressly the government “taking to give to others”.

    Your mind doesn’t count.

  105. aislander says:

    CT7: As you well know, socialism is a function of government, and Jesus was, as I said, concerned with the behavior of individuals, not governments.

    Therefore, He could not have been a socialist…

  106. sumyungboi says:

    Alinsky #4, aislander. Proggies have zero regard about issues of religion. When someone focuses their debate points on religion, they’ve already lost, so just let them take all the rope they want.

  107. beerBoy says:

    and if Israel is going to be an excellent customer of our defense industry

    buy “our” weapons with our money……

    And…..your support of the industrial/military complex makes IKE’s words evermore relevant.

  108. aislander says:

    I am generally opposed to foreign aid, military or otherwise, but if we are going to give the Palestinians money to send rockets into Israel, it only seems fair…

  109. Hill, do your own research. Huffpo and MSNBC have kept you in the dark.

    Why did she come to WA? Why did she pick that location?

    Enlighten yourself.

    And she was 3 months preg with someone’s kid when she married Sr.

  110. menopaws says:

    I see a mouth flapping, but do you hear any words???? the wind must be blowing them away…………..

    that’s what happens when you ugly language is the

  111. beerBoy says:

    aislander – disingenuous….and you know it.

  112. sumyungboi says:

    menopaws, please refrain from typing when you’re drunk.

  113. sumyungboi says:

    CT7, lee is a kid that says outrageous things so that adults will talk to him. He outed himself about a week ago when he accidentally directed a comment at me using his leephill moniker claiming that I was a chick named Cheryl who was stalking him online, a charge identical to what some kid under a different moniker had made about a week before that.

  114. alindasue says:

    CT7 said, “She married a guy already married (well, she was already knocked up at the time). Came to Wa to send young Barry to a commie school.”

    So… a young woman marries a man who claimed to be divorced and SHE was the one at fault? Note that she found out after the fact about his other wife. They didn’t stay married very long after that, divorcing in 1964.

    I was surprised by the references to the Obamas having a Washington state connection, so I looked it up. It appears that President Obama’s mother did move to Seattle as a teenager when her father, who worked for Boeing, came to the state to work. She attended Mercer Island High School. Later she returned to the state to attend University of Washington for a short time. As far as I know, neither of those schools can be considered a “commie school”, but I guess you are entitled to your opinion about them.

    As for the young Barack, he wasn’t even preschool age when they lived in the state. She returned to Hawaii a couple of months prior to his first birthday.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ann_Dunham

    I don’t mind opposing opinions – but when they are at least remotely based on fact, it makes for much better discussion and debate.

  115. dstraits says:

    Having recently retired i thought I would enjoy reading these letters,well was I mistaken, you all sound like a bunch of grade school kids calling each other names in the schoolyard..I have better things to do than waste my time here..

    have a nice day
    Bye

  116. sumyungboi says:

    dstraits: “you all sound like a bunch of grade school kids calling each other names in the schoolyard”

    Gee, sorry dad, don’t the the door strike your buttocks on the way out.

  117. alindasue says:

    aislander said, “If Israel is going to act in the interest of the US in the Middle East–and it does–and if Israel is going to be an excellent customer of our defense industry–and it is–then it is also in our interest to provide aid to its military…”

    First off, I am somewhat neutral on the whole Israel/Palestine situation, finding plenty of blame to go around on both sides of a feud that’s been going on longer than many of us have been alive. I’d rather both groups would acknowledge their common roots that make the land a holy land for all of them and figure out how to share it peacefully. That’s why I am upset by Mitt Romney’s provocative words during his last trip there and his lack of regard for the effects they might have on future diplomatic negotiations.

    With that in mind, aislander, I have a couple questions about what you said:

    What exactly does Israel do to “act in the interest of the US in the Middle East”?

    How is Israel being “an excellent customer of our defense industry” going to benefit us if a large part of money that this “customer” is spending is our own money that we gave them? Anybody can be an “excellent customer” if we pay them to buy our stuff…

  118. LeePHill says:

    “CT7 says:
    Aug. 4, 2012 at 7:34 pm Hill, do your own research. Huffpo and MSNBC have kept you in the dark.
    Why did she come to WA? Why did she pick that location?”

    “alindasue says:
    I don’t mind opposing opinions – but when they are at least remotely based on fact, it makes for much better discussion and debate.”

    Alindasue – thanks for addressing that subject. I tried to give CT7 a way out of making a jackass of himself, but he chose to stick to the stupid crap that is posted on Tea Party websites and the cheerleading of a local fool.

    CT7 claimed that Dunham enrolled Barack in a “commie school” in WA – neither of which is remotely possible. CT7 has all the credibility of those in 2008, who pushed the story about Obama and gay sex in a limo.

    Maybe if we eliminated feeding clowns like him, we would raise the level of debate in these forums.

  119. aislander says:

    So…beerBoy…the Palestinians aren’t sending rockets into Israel? Who knew? Just you islamophiles, I guess…

  120. Look up Foubert and the Anarchist Alley.

    You are welcome. You now know who his mom really was… Before you respond, look up his own words on how she affected his views

    So much for you clowns feeling smart. You led with your emotions in 2008, now we have 8.3% unemployment and trillions in debt. Will you ever learn?

  121. bobcat1a says:

    “Mitt stated he paid a lot of taxes. Now you call him a liar? I heard him say it today” -CT7

    Credulous: Having or showing too great a readiness to believe things.

    Clear example: Romney said he paid lots of taxes. Gee, well if he said it it must be true. After all he is a republican and we all know they NEVER tell less than the truth.

    I guess Ronnie Reagan must have been off base when he said, “Trust, but verify.”

  122. sumyungboi says:

    bobcat: “I guess Ronnie Reagan must have been off base when he said, “Trust, but verify.””

    So you’re a birther. Got it.

  123. Sands- 20% of white makes swing to Romney. Less voter enthusiasm. Less minorities will vote/vote BHO. The youth vote has gone away from the dems (not entirely, but not like 08).

    Please Dems, count your blessings today.

  124. And since huffpo will not tell you lefties- 104th round of golf played by BHO yesterday.

  125. aislander says:

    Polls are substantially oversampling Dems…

  126. alindasue says:

    CT7 said, “104th round of golf played by BHO yesterday.”

    And this is relevant to the upcoming election how? So he spends part of his days participating in sports and keeping in shape. Rounds of golf also make for great informal diplomatic meetings…

    So, if Mitt Romney is elected into the office, are you going to count every time he plays golf or mounts a horse? I suppose you know how many games of golf President Bush played as well?

    By the way… “You now know who his mom really was…”

    Actually, I didn’t really know a whole lot about her but now I am learning more. She seems to have been a very intelligent and fascinating lady. Her influences, I believe, taught her son much about understanding the world’s various cultures and diplomatic relations.

    Her high school teacher, Mr. Foubert, reminds me of one of my favorite high school teachers. That social studies/history teacher taught us the importance of paying attention to current events and looking at all sides of an issue, even opposing sides. He was not a favorite of the school’s administrators – his history as a 60s era protester was well known – but he instilled in us a desire to be informed and active voters, no matter what our political preferences were. For that, I am grateful – as I’m sure young Stanley Ann was to her teacher.

  127. alindasue says:

    By the way, CT7, I take anything labeled as “communist” during the era of McCarthyism and the “un-American activities” hearings with a very large dose of salt grains.

    I saw a bumper sticker recently that I feel fits this situation:
    “I pledge allegiance, not thoughtless obedience.”

    Apparently, President Obama’s mother felt the same way.

  128. To my wing nut adversaries,
    Never have I seen you all say so little, with so many words.

  129. RegisteringFool says:

    Birth certificates, tax returns, horses, college buddies, price tags on dresses…

    Its not really about the qualifications, is it? Its about finding ways to tear your favorite candidate’s opponent down. This is a mob mentality, designed to distract and destroy, and most of those on this thread have bought into it.

    Nobody seems to care what these candidates and their backers plan to do when/if elected. Should we continue our presence in the Middle East? Do you support the Patriot Act and/or NDAA? Do we keep, amend or abolish Obamacare? Is our current national monetary policy beneficial to the middle class? Should we continue the War on Drugs? How are we going to keep Social Security solvent?

    Here on this thread nobody seems to be interested in any of that.

    I’m embarrassed to be an American…My vote will be diluted by this nonsense.

  130. beerBoy says:

    Polls are substantially oversampling Dems…

    Evidence?

    Funny….I had read something a year or two ago that suggested that, since polls tended to rely upon landlines and younger folks tend to only have cells, the polls were substantially oversampling older, more conservative folks.

  131. beerBoy says:

    Your original post said this: if we are going to give the Palestinians money to send rockets into Israel,

    I do not dispute that there are a few rockets fired into Israel – with surprisingly little damage – but you claim that this is made possible by the foreign aid they receive.

    That is what is disingenuous.

    Really aislander, since being associated with the TP folks you have gotten further from rational argumentation.

  132. sumyungboi says:

    RegisteringFool: “Here on this thread nobody seems to be interested in any of that”

    Yeah, well, you might want to read the topic of the article before getting indignant and condescending.

    You people might also note that whatever smart alack little proggie down at the TNT published this letter gave it the headline “What about Obama’s records”, but placed it in the directory he created entitled, “frankly-scarlet”. How professional for the TNT to mock the letter writer as they’re printing it.

  133. LeePHill says:

    “CT7 says:
    Aug. 4, 2012 at 11:25 pm And since huffpo will not tell you lefties- 104th round of golf played by BHO yesterday.”

    That’s about as much golf as Boehner plays in a year.

  134. took14theteam says:

    “I see a mouth flapping, but do you hear any words???? the wind must be blowing them away…………..

    that’s what happens when you ugly language is the”

    It is a Christmas miracle! menopaws found the return key. Time will tell if it was just an accident though….

    ;-)

  135. LeePHill says:

    “Polls are substantially oversampling Dems…”

    I guess the pollsters had decided they don’t want Republican money…

  136. LeePHill says:

    For the 4,098,078,146 time, “took14″ has commented about anything but the topic of conversation or context of the thread.

  137. averageJose says:

    Knee slapper award goes to….

    “a few rockets fired into Israel”

  138. averageJose says:

    I had read something a year or two ago that suggested…

    Evidence?

  139. LeePHill says:

    “Polls are substantially oversampling Dems…
    Evidence?
    Funny….I had read something a year or two ago that suggested that, since polls tended to rely upon landlines and younger folks tend to only have cells, the polls were substantially oversampling older, more conservative folks.”

    Context, Jose. beerBoy isn’t Obama. You have to quote him in context

  140. Bb- can you define a few? Do you even know how many rockets are fired?

    8.3% unemployment and he stopped meeting with his jobs council. A Saturday morning probably is a great time to get industry leaders together. Nope, BHO has to play golf with his banker buddies.

    And how much golf other people play is irrelevant. They are not the POTUS

  141. LeePHill says:

    “And how much golf other people play is irrelevant. They are not the POTUS”

    No, they are the SOTH who is responsible for getting 435 people to cooperate and pass budgets and laws. The POTUS only signs or vetoes them.

  142. took14theteam says:

    I see the thread monitor is active again….

    “Teacher Teacher, so and so is doing that again.”

    LLAO

  143. LeePHill says:

    I’m fairly comfortable that 4 or 5 hours of golf isn’t going to make or break the finances of the United States. If so, maybe Boehner needs to cut his golf in half, since it’s his job to get the House of Representative in line.

  144. LeePHill says:

    “It is a Christmas miracle! menopaws found the return key.

    “Teacher Teacher, so and so is doing that again.”

    Tomorrow is ironing…er uh….irony day

  145. took14theteam says:

    Hey genius, what does that have to do with the topic of conversation or context of the thread?

    Have fun with your ironing….

  146. Clown, he passed a budget. You must be thinking of Harry and your worthless dems senators.

    You are thinking about the guy lobbying for his son

    http://www.lvrj.com/opinion/costs-conflicts-arise-in-reid-push-for-green-power-164858086.html

  147. beerBoy says:

    Context, Jose. beerBoy isn’t Obama. You have to quote him in context

    C’mon now….you know that would blow his whole gig here if he had to provide context with any of his quotes.

  148. beerBoy says:

    CT7 – how many of those rockets were paid for by US foreign aid?

  149. RegisteringFool says:

    sumyungboi – well taken point, but then it seems to me that the “discussion” (is that what it is?) should focus on the relevance of the letter writer’s point and its materiality to the underlying issue: Who will lead us for the next 4 years and why?

    While some posts have stayed on point, the thread has largely devolved into a slug fest with the “reds” on one side and the “blues” on the other. “Romney is a slug.” “Obama is a dirt bag.” And so it goes. We are not talking about a dozen or even a few dozen posts. We are talking about hundreds. This is what people spend their time on and this is the source of my frustration.

  150. Bb, unfortunately the bleeding hearts handing cash to that terrorist cesspool probably have indirectly purchased rockets. Now, there are foreign influences directly supporting the terrorists, the guys you support.

    To answer the question you will not, here are your ‘few’

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel,_2012#section_2

  151. sumyungboi says:

    Registeringfool, I’ve made the case several times why I think that Obama’s college records would be relevant reading, since he was raised and mentored as a communist. This is not speculation, it’s well documented.

    So why are Romney’s tax returns such a big deal? Because it’s an attention diversion, nothing more. Romney’s a rich guy, and I’m sure he took every available tax break that he could get away with, no different than when working class people take their earned income credit. Obama has never, ever, ran a campaign that actually laid out a plan, and that you should vote for him because of that. No, coordinating with his handlers, his strategy has always been to destroy his opponent personally, and the media will happily play along because it’s chic among their crowd to hate conservatives. Remember McCain being accused of adultery? This appeared on the front page of the NYT, a complete falsehood. Palin wasn’t really the mother of her retarded kid, remember that one? And how many people, to this day, still believe that she said that she could see Russia from her house?

    Obama and his handlers have _always_ relied on diversion and innuendo by starting rumors which they believe their opponents will need to respond to. I’m glad Romney’s not falling into that trap. Furthermore, if it’s so important for Romney to show his tax returns, which he isn’t required to do, why is it so off limits, what makes it so conspiratorial for the other side to want to take a look at Obama’s college writings?

  152. he was raised and mentored as a communist. This is not speculation, it’s well documented.

    You guys are so funny!

  153. Bb- what would you call the political views of Stanley?

    Still looking for that “few” definition.

  154. Frankenchrist says:

    Mitt Romney has paid zero taxes over the last ten years.

    Show us your tax returns, Mittens. Why don’t you pay taxes when the rest of us do?

    Show us your tax returns, Mitt. I bet your dead father is sitting on the throne of his private planet and wishing his spineless son would show a little sand and release his tax returns.

    Show us your tax returns, Mittens.

  155. sumyungboi says:

    frankenchrist, seriously man, you’re an amateur. When Reid did it, it was dumb. When some mook says the same thing anonymously in a small town newspaper from a laptop in his moms basement, it’s beyond stupid.

  156. aislander says:

    The polls themselves, beerBoy, have a statistical breakdown of respondents, methodology, etc., and–if you bother to delve into them more deeply than the lamestream media do–you will see they are tilted about ten percent in favor of Dem respondents.

    I don’t believe this is intentional, but that’s the way it works out.

    Then if you compare “likely voters” versus “registered voters” polls, it all looks much better for the survival of the nation…

  157. Frankenchrist says:

    yungboy,

    I’m getting under your skin. Good.

  158. aislander says:

    Regarding RegisteringFool’s comment above: see 12:25PM.

    QED

  159. RegisteringFool says:

    sumyungboi – you have made my point for me. Never mind policy. Never mind visions for the future. Never mind the actual “boots on the ground” decision making that the eventual winner is going to have to make. Its the personal attack that commands our attention…well, not mine so much.

    None of us is perfect. All of us have a history that informs who and what we are. On a scale of 1 to 10, is Romney’s inner character better or worse than Obama’s? Both candidates are damaged, in my view. One rates a 5 and the other a 6, which basically means that the issue is largely moot for me.

    Lyndon Johnson once described being President as being like “a braying ass in the middle of a hurricane”. On that, at least, I think he was right. So, this election is about more than just the man. It is about who will be on the president’s staff. It is about who will be appointed to the federal bench. It is about whether the overall size of government should grow or shrink. It is about where we are going as a country.

    I don’t deny that the personal attacks – from both sides by the way – are usually with flimsy, if any, foundation and thus cheap, dirty tricks designed to obscure the real issues. That, indeed, is my problem. Elections have become Jerry Springer circuses instead of statesmanlike debates about the future.

    And because of that, more than anything else, I fear for the future.

  160. sumyungboi says:

    bb: “he was raised and mentored as a communist. This is not speculation, it’s well documented.
    You guys are so funny!”

    Mocking history doesn’t change it, son.

  161. aislander says:

    RegisteringFool: To allay your fears somewhat, take a look at Jefferson v Adams. That campaign was both vicious and personal, but the country has lasted a while since…

    My personal opinion is that it may not last much longer if Obama is re-elected. I hope I am being needlessly pessimistic about that.

  162. LeePHill says:

    “History” isn’t the repetition of something and pretending that it’s real.

  163. “the bleeding hearts handing cash to that terrorist cesspool probably have indirectly purchased rockets. Now, there are foreign influences directly supporting the terrorists, the guys you support.

    They should behave more like Reagan, and sell arms to the Ayatollahs in order to fund their own terrorist army in Latin America?

  164. RegisteringFool says:

    aislander – Jefferson v Adams may have been “vicious and personal” but it was also about fundamentally different views of what government should be and do, i.e., the question whether the United States should be a single sovereign entity composed of member states or a confederation of independent and sovereign States. That dispute eventually bore the seeds of the Civil War.

    Are Romney and Obama so “fundamentally different” as to bear the seeds of a later civil war? Not by a long shot. Both are “big government” politicians whose only differences are which special interests they will pander to. Regardless of whether they would invite George Soros or Charles Koch to the White House, both would continue the Bush doctrine, both would maintain a major military presence in the Middle East, both would continue the War on Drugs, both would continue to subsidize farming, both will stand idly by while the Federal Reserve continues to debase our currency.

    Meanwhile, we suffer through this mind-numbing mud-slinging from the galleries as we, as a nation, slide off into oblivion.

  165. Ehill, you think what Reagan did was wrong? And indirectly funding terrorists today is wrong also?

    So a past wrong negates a wrong today (even when the situation is completely different)?

    Nice logic.

    Or did you just want to bring a republican (passed, not running for election in this world) into the conversation?

  166. beerBoy says:

    I think that much of what Reagan did was wrong – especially leading the charge on deregulating the financial industry and making supply side voodoo the economic religion of the land.

  167. menopaws talks about racism. HA! She can’t post a comment without hitting the “old fat white guy” trigger. She is a very very troubled person. Her moniker is appropriate. As for the rest of the libs, same, same excuses for BHO, he is the least qualified person to ever be elected to office. He will not release anything about his rise to stardom because it doesn’t fit with the mainstream American idea of what it takes to go to Harvard and Columbia. It sure as hell wasn’t his intelligence that got him in.

  168. Bb- If you can stomach a conservative site, read this. I do not expect it change your Keynesian mindset, but you will at least use proper terms while describing conservative economics.

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/07/m-the_trickle-down_hoax.html

  169. aislander says:

    beerBoy: The same principles that apply to opening and operating, say, a lemonade stand (try doing THAT in some Dem strongholds!) apply to every level of business.

    First has to come the product, and then will come the demand, until you introduce government into the mix. When that happens, the politically-connected businesses can thrive, while others must overcome an obstacle-course of governmentally-created impediments.

    A lemonade stand owner needs to retain as much profit as possible if he is to open another stand, and he needs as few rules as possible to facilitate the expansion.

    The same thing happens from lemonade stand to Microsoft, and THAT is supply-side economics…

  170. took14theteam says:

    So the new credit legislation the DEMs pushed through a year or so ago was a good thing? The only thing good from that legislation was showing the stupid people how long it will take them to pay off their debt.

    The rest of that wonderful bill SCREWED the middle class and the poor. The credit card interest rates sky rocketed and now there are numerous “fees” and “penalty” charges that were not as extreme as before.

    And now it costs 10 cents more per gallon of gas if you use a credit card to pay for it. Which means the poor will still be buying gas at a gallon a time with pennies. But the middle class that wanted to use a credit card to get reward points, or to make one payment a month are now screwed.

    Thanks DEMs.

    The old unintended consequences of DEM legislation comes back to bite the people THEY claim to be helping in the ASS.

  171. Second and third order effects mean nothing to them. One of more progressive posters here could not even understand the term.

    A conservative will admit the dems are at least well intended, but incredibly short sided.

    You hear nothing from the other side. And Lord help you if talk about reducing regs or govt. It is burning rivers and faucets with grandma going off a cliff.

  172. LeePHill says:

    “ehill says:
    Aug. 5, 2012 at 1:37 pm “the bleeding hearts handing cash to that terrorist cesspool probably have indirectly purchased rockets. Now, there are foreign influences directly supporting the terrorists, the guys you support.”
    They should behave more like Reagan, and sell arms to the Ayatollahs in order to fund their own terrorist army in Latin America?”

    “CT7 says:
    Aug. 5, 2012 at 1:54 pm Ehill, you think what Reagan did was wrong?”

    This is a classic. Reagan caught red handed selling arms to the enemy and CT7 questions why someone would think that is wrong. If Obama says a kind word about an Islamic athlete competing in the Olympics, it’s a communist….excuse me….MARXIST…. conspiracy in the alleged mind of CT.

  173. beerBoy says:

    ct7 – you still seem to cling to the idea that Dems are different than REpubs and that Liberal and Conservative are interchangeable labels for the parties respectively.

    aislander – having filed a Schedule C most of my adult life as an independent contractor and as a business owner – your little lemonade stand just comes off as patronizing and naive.

  174. Bb- while it may average out that a pol is a pol, the people supporting them have differing beliefs.

    Yes, there are some conservative Dems (especially social issues, 2nd Amendment) and the rarer lib Repub (gay marriage would be the only issue I see here).

    But the majorities line up.

  175. aislander says:

    …and yet the principle remains the same, beer…

  176. Clamat0 says:

    They should behave more like Reagan, and sell arms to the Ayatollahs in order to fund their own terrorist army in Latin America?

    Let’s play ehill’s neat little game:

    Got any proof that Reagan authorized the diversion of funds from Iranian arms sales to the Contras?

  177. aislander says:

    Clamat0: That’s exactly why xring hates Ollie North so much! The Dems thought he was going to testify against Reagan and the rest of the boys and so gave him immunity.

    And then he told the truth…

  178. Clamat0 says:

    Here’s one just for x:

    “I thought using the Ayatollah’s money to support the Nicaraguan resistance was a neat idea.”

    – Oliver North

  179. beerBoy says:

    The Dems were the little chickens that all pols are and were terrified of going against Reagan’s popularity. Congressional hearing are never about anything but theatrics and the Dems didn’t want to go against the movie star.

    The same thing happened during the Thomas confirmation hearings – you could almost see the inside of Biden’s brain “please don’t let anyone see that I’m a racist, please don’t let anyone see that I am a racist”.

  180. beerBoy says:

    Of course, plausible deniability worked for Reagan because most believed that Reagan didn’t really know what was going on with the truly important decisions…..wheel out the old boy to give a good, folksy speech and then let him take a nap after consulting with Nancy’s astrologer….

  181. aislander says:

    Never grant immunity unless you can control what the witness is going to say…

  182. “Ehill, you think what Reagan did was wrong? And indirectly funding terrorists today is wrong also?

    Regan directly funded the Ayatollahs and his own terrorist army in Latin America.

  183. ““I thought using the Ayatollah’s money to support the Nicaraguan resistance was a neat idea.”

    – Oliver North”

    Allowing our enemy Iran to obtain more weapons from us while we became a state sponsor of terrorism in Latin America was a neat idea? OK, if you say so.

  184. “Regan directly funded the Ayatollahs and his own terrorist army in Latin America.”

    That was badly worded. Clarification: The Reagan administration directly funded their own terrorist army in Latin America by selling weapons to our enemies in Iran.

  185. aislander says:

    Gee, Clamat0, I thought we were aiding those trying to liberate their people from the two-thousand-dollar-sunglasses-wearing puppet of an evil regime that was part of a system that murdered a 100-million people, give or take…

    Who knew we were supporting “terrorists?”

  186. ai, I’ll have to get back to you after I read/ re-read ehill’s 10:04 a few thousand times.

    LMAO, we should hold someone to his own standards more often – might cut the “troll” factor by at least 50%.

  187. CT7 – lol – ‘use of proper conservative economics terms’ from he who can’t tell the difference between a liberal and a progressive.

    btw – The problem with conservative economics, as described in your site, is that all that money coming down to create jobs is not being spent to create jobs in America.

    Aislander – so if I opened a lemonade aid stand in Nome Alaska I could generate enough profit to open second stand on Little Diomede?

    Clamat0 – ‘using the Ayatollah’s money’ – good shot – you just sank Aislander’s rubber dingy.

    bBoy – Regan and his gang of thuds learned from Nixon and his tricksters.

    Ehill – and did it in part by selling cocaine in LA.

  188. Aislander – Regan supported the Contra’s who were fighting the Sandinistas, who had won the last election, thus ousting the Somoza regime from power.

  189. aislander says:

    It is obvious that one must know his market, xring.

    For example, if I wished to go into the business of reversing lobotomies, I’d have to do so in a city with lots of liberals, such as San Fransisco, Seattle, or New York…

  190. aislander says:

    Differentiating between liberals and progressives is like differentiating between striped skunks and spotted skunks.

    It matters only to those directly involved, and then only when they are procreating–or protesting…

    (Although, given the enthusiasm of the left for same-sex unions, perhaps “procreating” is the wrong word.)

  191. “if I wished to go into the business of reversing lobotomies, I’d have to do so in a city with lots of liberals, such as San Fransisco, Seattle, or New York…”

    “Differentiating between liberals and progressives is like differentiating between striped skunks and spotted skunks.”

    How adult.

  192. alindasue says:

    sumyungboi said, “Mocking history doesn’t change it, son.”

    Clearly, he was NOT mocking history. He was mocking the “well documented” “facts” that President Obama “was raised and mentored as a communist.”

    Let’s look at these “well documented” facts:

    In high school, his mother had a teacher that her read the communist manifesto. He also had her read such subversive literature such as George Orwell’s 1984. George Orwell was also the author of Animal Farm, often sited as an anti-communism fable. (But, hey, don’t let that get in the way of a good McCarthy era style argument.)

    By the way, I’ve also read parts of the Koran, but that doesn’t make me a Muslim. However, moving on…

    After high school, she was well known for her Feminist views and she even joined in with such “un-American” organizations such as Peace Corps. She rounded off her son’s “communist” upbringing by forcing him to listen to the likes of civil right leader, Martin Luther King, Jr and gospel singer, Mahalia Jackson.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ann_Dunham

    Is it not also “mocking history” when you claim that things that didn’t happen are “well documented”? Telling the same joke over and over doesn’t make it any funnier – or any more true.

  193. Check out Frank Marshall Davis.

    Alindasue, you are just scratching the surface.

  194. Once you get to know that class act, we can move onto the other people in BHOs past the media would like you to never know about.

  195. Aislander – once again you display a fundamental lack of knowledge about basic terms – a wide spread malady of gophers and zombies.

    Alindasue – excellent post – one of the biggest mistakes supposedly rational people make is to read and study only what supports their beliefs.
    Many ‘communist’ claim they were enlighten by reading the Manifesto – when I read it I concluded it would not work.

    CT7 – so Romney goes to London and meets with the heads of the London Banks who are being investigated for fraud.

    What does that tell us about Romney?

  196. beerBoy says:

    ct7 – thanks for clarifying that your initials stand for “conspiracy theorist” when it comes to the President.

  197. beerBoy says:

    Gotta wonder how few anti-commie Birch Society types have ever read Marx and Engels….let alone Lenin, Stalin or Mao.

    Marx’s analysis of the failings of capitalism still resonate – his cheerleading of a workers’ utopia, however, is just idealistic fantasy.

    My take is that Capitalism improved due to the threat of Stalinism. Now that the threat of communism is gone Capitalism has devolved back to its cruelest state (like when Marx was writing) and the delusion of Das Kapital is once again gaining converts.

    However – to claim that Obama is anything close to a socialist is completely delusional.

  198. NWflyfisher says:

    LeePHill: I misspoke. I should have said ACADEMIC records, not PUBLIC records. Most schools require written permission from the student in order to release any information from a student’s education records. Occidental College, Columbia University and Harvard University would require President Obama initiate action to allow them to release of his academic records just as Candidate Romney would have to initiate action for the IRS to release his “official” tax records.

    Having said that, would Obama agree to release his academic records if Romney agrees to release 10 years worth of tax returns? I think not.

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