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ROMNEY: Praise for Israel’s socialistic health care

Letter by Bernice L. Youtz, Tacoma on Aug. 1, 2012 at 11:15 am with 49 Comments »
August 1, 2012 2:36 pm

I was thrilled to hear Mitt Romney praise the Israeli health system, noting it is more cost-effective than our American system.

For years I have asked why can we Americans not have a medical delivery system like the Israelis’? We American taxpayers send billions to Israel – unaudited, hence fungible – so at least some of those dollars must go to its health system.

I have been there. I agree that it has a great system. Everyone is covered, and it doesn’t even have that pesky “mandate” about buying insurance. The Israelis’ taxes (supplemented by some of ours) pay for it all. Of course, their system is pure “socialism,” but what’s in a word, especially if Mitt “Mr. Bain Capital” Romney says it is “cost-effective”?

Regardless of the outcome of the election, can we count on Romney to champion national health care for us Americans?

 

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  1. I agree wholeheartedly, and the sooner we have such a system, the better.

    The way I understand it, is that people do pay for coverage through an insurance premium paid for through the tax system, but it is not considered a tax. The premium is based on income, and if someone does not have sufficient income, the government pays a portion up to all of the fee if the income is sufficiently low. All services are provided at not-for-profit HMO networks.

    Wealthy people can buy an additional policy that gets them priority coverage, a more elite HMO and elective surgeries and services.

    The average that the government pays is about 60% of insurance costs, with about one-third paying nothing, and about one-third paying the full cost.

  2. Frankenchrist says:

    All of our close allies have socialized health care: Germany, Japan, the U.K, Israel, Canada, Australia, etc. Every single one.

    Eventually, we will too.

  3. anders_ibsen says:

    Well said, Bernice! Medicare for all is really the only way to go.

  4. When we have their security apparatus we can try their healthcare. When we are their population, with their borders, we can give it a shot.

  5. SandHills says:

    If we had the work culture (something Romney made clear about the Palestinian/Israeli differences) of some of the examples given above I would be less doubtful. Even the UK and Canada systems are showing cracks and may yet buckle under the weight of unemployed emigrants taking out but not putting much into the pot. Sure the positives are great to shoot for, and our elected political leaders on both sides of the aisle don’t seem to be up to the challenge.

    I keep hearing/reading about wait times – especially for specialist treatment in both the UK and Canada – just one of those cracks before I am willing to bestow laudatives.

    As far as Japan, Germany, and the Aussies – well it is easier to have a smaller and more homogeneous population.

    And let’s not forget obesity – one factor about Americans that will make any national health program magnitudes more costly/

  6. beerBoy says:

    It just goes to show ya – Presidential candidates will praise everything about Israel in their attempt to prove how much they are willing to put Israel’s interests before our own.

    Since their are only 2% of Americans who are Jews (and many of them are critical of Israel) it makes you wonder…..just why is it so important to court the Zionists in order to win the presidency? Could it be that Mearsheimer and Walt were correct about the Zionist influence over the media?

  7. beerBoy says:

    If we had the work culture (something Romney made clear about the Palestinian/Israeli differences)

    Wow! The differences between Israel and Palestinian economies has to do with culture…..not the fact that one country is the occupier and the other is the occupied in an apartheid system!

  8. beerBoy says:

    SandHills keeps coming up with excuses why America can’t do Universal Healthcare that sure don’t seem like the “can do” spirit of American Exceptionalism that most conservatives claim to have.

  9. I was also amused how he praised Poland for their austerity programs, despite having socialised medicine and spending a higher % of GDP than the US does.

  10. LeePHill says:

    “CT7 says:
    Aug. 1, 2012 at 4:06 pm When we have their security apparatus we can try their healthcare. When we are their population, with their borders, we can give it a shot.”

    Amazing how the “greatest country in the world” can’t get a grasp on health care issues like the other countries its size……

  11. LeePHill says:

    Kinda makes ya wonder how China can provide health care and still have money left over to lend us….

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_health_in_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China

  12. took14theteam says:

    Chinese health care is killing baby girls.

    Just thought I would try a Frankenchrist type comment…..

  13. They is it not mentioned that free market capitalism is not written
    into the Constitution of the United States?
    That’s the core of the crisis the system is in.

  14. averageJose says:

    Kooky… of all your contributions, Bernice, I can’t recall a single one where you have asked why can we Americans not have a medical delivery system like the Israelis’.

  15. Bb- one nation targets terrorists and one targets innocent citizens. I see what side you are on. Disgusting.

    Glad BHO tried to tell them how to defend themselves! They have a real warrior leading them (look up his bio).

    One more Zionist comment and your tinfoil hat will start picking up alien signals.

    Your bigotry is front and center. Shame on you.

  16. CT7 – what we have is American Exceptionalis.

    Too bad you gophers don’t believe in it.

  17. Capybara91 says:

    I don’t believe a word of Romney or Obama’s campaign rhetoric. I don’t believe in any of that Zionist media conspiracy crap, either. Were all of our soldiers who gave their lives in World War II, Iraq, and Afghanistan mere Zionist puppets? Were the Holocaust and 9-11 Zionist conspiracies? One reason why I support Israel as a Gentile is that Israel has the mettle to deal with terrorists the way they ought to be dealt with.

  18. Like most things about Mittens (Romney) he is for it and against it. It just depends on the audience he is trying to pander to at the time. And of course he stands by whatever statements he made in the past about a given issue even if he doesn’t know what it was he said.

    Great letter Bernice!

  19. alindasue says:

    I find it interesting that Mitt Romney would be praising a single payer health care system when that is one of the main options that had to be dropped when President Obama was trying to get the health care reform passed…

    Is it suddenly an okay option now for Republicans now that Mitt Romney is suggesting it rather than Presidents Clinton or Obama?

  20. beerBoy says:

    CT7 – there are terrorists on both sides. The difference is that America is sending billions to one side to support them.

  21. LeePHill says:

    “CT7 says:
    Aug. 1, 2012 at 9:36 pm Bb- one nation targets terrorists and one targets innocent citizens.”

    How many innocent civilians were killed during “Shock and Awe”? Carpet bombing is targeting.

  22. LeePHill says:

    “took14theteam says:
    Aug. 1, 2012 at 6:57 pm Chinese health care is killing baby girls.”

    See above comment

  23. Join the military and get your ‘free’ medical care, but that’s only while you’re on active duty. Learn the true meaning of hurry up and wait. You will wait months and sometime up to a year to get required care. Yes, government run health care – not a good thing.

  24. beerBoy says:

    one targets innocent citizens.

    Hard to be a citizen when you aren’t allowed to have a country.

    126 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 1,476 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000.

    1,096 Israelis and at least 6,568 Palestinians have been killed since September 29, 2000.

    10,792 Israelis and 59,575 Palestinians have been injured since September 29, 2000.

    During Fiscal Year 2011, the U.S. is providing Israel with at least $8.2 million per day in military aid and $0 in military aid to the Palestinians.

    0 Israelis are being held prisoner by Palestinians, while 5,604 Palestinians are currently imprisoned by Israel.

    0 Israeli homes have been demolished by Palestinians and 24,813 Palestinian homes have been demolished by Israel since 1967.

    Israel currently has 236 Jewish-only settlements and ‘outposts’ built on confiscated Palestinian land. Palestinians do not have any settlements on Israeli land.

    http://www.ifamericansknew.org/

  25. averageJose says:

    4 Billion $$$ in aid to the Palestinians.

    http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RS22967.pdf

  26. GHTaxPayer says:

    Numerous surveys of Palestinians show that 70% – 80% would rather live in Israel.

    The Israeli health system model won’t work in the US because currently only 53% of workers pay federal taxes. ALL workers must pay SOME taxes for that kind of system to work.

    Freeloading = Failure

  27. SandHills says:

    Beerboy i admit you have become adept at turning a phrase out pf context to put words in other posters mouths – if you truly read and undertood my post I said the positives of a national policy on health care was ” great to shoot for” – not exactly the conservative target you love to chunk rocks at. If those we elect can’t come to some compromise – each side dug into there respective ideology, with an objective of winning or blocking – rather than the best compromise for the nation – then they are only mirroring your philosophy displayed on this forum.

    This forum is not a debate society – I am not here to convince you or anyone else to change their entrenched values. And I never twist any other posters words to make a point – like you – in order to make yourself appear too smart or someone else dense. You are firmly on one side of entrenched position in this country, I am at a distinct disadvantage by not being firmly entrenched behind barricades on the other side – I accept the fact that as such my views are easier targets, from both sides. But at least shoot my words, not those you twist to set me up as an even easier target for your barbs and rock chunking. I accept the reality that comming on a public forum I accept the reality of what our society has become – largely uncivil and uncompromising in their security blanket of values.

    Take your show on the road – say to a more conservative part of the country – yes stand out in front of a Chick-fil-a to publicly boycott. i seriously doubt you would take as much abuse as you deal out in smartass quips on this forum.

  28. Sandhills – pretty words to make an ad hominem attack upon me.

    I haven’t attacked you, or your methodology, or accused you of twisting others’ words. I have summed up your post – which put forward various reasons why Universal Healthcare is not possible (in your opinion) in the US.

    I happen to think that, if those other countries can make it work, the US should be able to.

  29. SandHills says:

    Ad hominem or not, truth is truth – anyone who sees your M.O. This forum see it . Not ad hominem to call a horsesass a horsesass.

  30. SandHills says:

    It is how you Summarize other folks posts is what makes you a horsesass. There are many reasons why America can’t have a national health plan like those smaller and more homogenous populated examples.

    But one big reason is the intransigent political values that have split our nation – one common theme in many of my posts that you conveniently overlook to score points by your “sumarizing”…

    But why get in a debate – we see life differently, you have the advantage of a narrow and unbending outlook, mine is less so, knowing that real life is about compromising, not winning points on a forum….

  31. tellnolies says:

    “argumentum ad hominem, is an attempt to negate the truth of a claim by pointing out a negative characteristic or belief of the person supporting it”

    “Not ad hominem to call a horsesass a horsesass. ”

    ROFLMAO!!!!

  32. SandHills says:

    Tellnolies, you can’t seriously participate on this forum and NOT see how often beerboy counterpunches by taking comments out of context and twisting them to make a smartass point.

    That is a horsesass behavior, calling him out on it is pointing out the truth about his M.O. on this forum, not an ad hominem.

  33. Terrorists on both sides? The violence is provoked by the Palestinians.

    They dominated, militarily. So they will have higher casualty counts.

    Nothing you showed there speaks poorly of Israel, just means they are stronger. Kind of like showing the number criminals killed by police every year vs the number of police killed by criminals.

    Our culture, economy, and govt is different. Romney stated that the efficiency and results of their system were something to be looked at. I agree.

    Example of our differences- we use 80% of the worlds painkillers. We are fat. We have a shrinking capital system supporting a growing socialist system that contributes little to the economy (sorry, the food stamp stimulus is a silly argument).

  34. alindasue says:

    SandHills said, “This forum is not a debate society…”

    Yes, that is exactly what these forums are. Why else come here if not to debate the issues?

    CT7 said, “Nothing you showed there speaks poorly of Israel, just means they are stronger.”

    If Israel is so strong, then why do they need us to fund their military?

  35. tellnolies says:

    That isn’t what I found amusing Sandhill.

    You are free to profess your perception, but some may interpret it differently than you. What you may see as a smart ass point, others may see as nuance..

    Yes, CT, there ARE terrorists on BOTH sides.

  36. Why do support any nation’s military but our own? For one, common enemies.

    I am not a diehard supporter of fiscal support to their military unless it can be directly tied to our security (for example, if we were paying to have an air base or other equipment staged there).

    Then again, there is strategic value in having a close ally in the ME that is not Muslim. Agree?

    Last, I said they were stronger than the terrorist they face across their borders. 107mm Chinese made rocket vs attack aviation and tanks.

    I understand many here have a soft spot for insurgents. Truly sad.

  37. LeePHill says:

    “Then again, there is strategic value in having a close ally in the ME that is not Muslim. Agree?”

    ….he says with total ignorance of our relationships with Muslim nations….

  38. Romney appears to be suffering NIMB.

  39. averageJose says:

    LMAO Sandhills… “have become” ??? That’s been his M.O. for years. I have the archives to prove it.
    They typically start out with ‘so you think…’ yadda yadda.
    ..
    And as far as ad hominem… he wrote the book.

  40. I thought Saul Alinsky did that.

  41. beerBoy says:

    And…right on schedule aJ jumps in on the criticism of me when he hasn’t been involved at all in this discussion.

    Sandhills – you are responded to my summing up of your argument – not by demonstrating how it is wrong – by attacking me as a “smartass”. That is ad hominem.

  42. Hill, why did you have comment removed? Because it showed your ignorance? Right out of the leftist play book.

  43. averageJose says:

    And right on schedule bB whines about something he frequently does… kooky.

    And now for an example of ad hominem

    Ring a bell bB?

    Oct. 22, 2011 at 2:23 pm
    I would call you a silly ass but that would be derogatory to the donkey.

  44. averageJose says:

    And right on schedule bB whines about something he frequently does… kooky.

    And now for an example of ad hominem

    beerBoy
    Oct. 22, 2011 at 2:23 pm
    I would call you a sillyass but that would be derogatory to the donkey.

  45. averageJose says:

    space between the y and a removed to post ;)

  46. averageJose says:

    Kooky… double post.

  47. RE: the double post

    Re-read the first paragraph of Aug. 3, 2012 at 6:38 am

  48. averageJose says:

    … followed by denial.

  49. averageJose says:

    Predictable. ;)

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