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MARRIAGE: Amazon.com vs. Chick-fil-A

Letter by Robert L. Humphries, Puyallup on Aug. 1, 2012 at 3:54 pm with 89 Comments »
August 1, 2012 3:54 pm

For goodness sake, the closest Chick-fil-A franchise is in Boise, Idaho (not exactly the liberal mecca of the Northwest). Most Chick-fil-A franchises are in the South, making it highly doubtful that a boycott by advocates of gay marriage is going to have much impact. Since Chick-fil-A already closes on Sundays (foregoing a weekend day of profits), I doubt they care.

It’s interesting to note, however, that as much opposition as many Southerners may have to gay marriage (as stated in many of their state constitutions), they are not raising a hissy fit over  Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos’ stand on the issue. In fact, Amazon has opened two distribution centers in South Carolina in the last year, a $150 million investment – in a state that voted 78 percent for an amendment to the state constitution banning same-sex marriage

If the CEO of Amazon really wanted to make a statement, why not refuse doing business in South Carolina? To me it shows the height of hypocrisy from the Amazon CEO, as well as how firmly confident the folks in South Carolina feel about their stand on same-sex marriage. After all, they are not boycotting a business just because its CEO has a different point of view.

So all you up here in the Northwest, go ahead and boycott non-existing Chick-fil-A franchises. But if you have never had one of their sandwiches, you don’t know what you’re missing.

Leave a comment Comments → 89
  1. Thank you for pointing out the intolerance.

  2. beerBoy says:

    CT7 – you really are unaware of various boycotts organized by the Right?

    Here’s one – the American Family Association
    The AFA has boycotted companies for various reasons, most often relating to Christmas controversies, pornography, support of pro-choice activism, support of violence or sexual content in entertainment, and support of LGBT activism, including same-sex partner employee benefits. These organizations include: 7-Eleven, Abercrombie & Fitch, American Airlines, American Girl, Blockbuster Video, Burger King, Calvin Klein, Carl’s Jr., Clorox, Comcast, Crest, Ford, Hallmark Cards, Kmart, Kraft Foods, S. C. Johnson & Son, Movie Gallery, Microsoft, MTV, Mary Kay, NutriSystem, Old Navy, IKEA, Sears, Pampers, Procter & Gamble, Target, Tide, Walt Disney Company, and PepsiCo.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Family_Association#Boycotts

  3. Huh…keep boycotting non-existent franchises?

    How do you tell the difference people who are boycotting non-existent franchises from people who are just not buying food from franchises that doesn’t exist?

  4. SandHills says:

    uh..krummm, I think the writer was poking fun of those in this state actively supporting a boycott of a business they themselves don’t have here – or even know what they are missing by not having it here.

    Again, would chick-fil-a care?

    Kind of like where all those people are shopping now who protested Walmart – bet most of them are shopping there now.

  5. LeePHill says:

    So Chick-fil-A doesn’t care, but Robert does….

  6. SandHills says:

    Frankenchrist – your statement has merit for a liberal who never, ever, goes to a fast food restaurant.

    But educate yourself on the nutrition comparison of chick-fil-a to just about any fast food besides lettuce, those comparison tables are out there.

    I admit I have had chick-fil-a many times – and miss having “healthier” option here.

    But I have to state you go over the top labeling everyone who eats fast food into deep fried twinkie eating teabaggers, shows the same level of intolerance your ilk is always trying to play holier-than-thou about.

  7. Sand, sorry, still makes no sense. How are NW citizens boycotting?

    Or, why does it really matter to anyone if someone says they support a boycott or not?

    Has the whine machine really revved up so high that there is nothing Conservatives won’t whine about? It is an American value to state your opinion. If the president of Chick-Fil-A wants to take a stand as the CEO of Chick-Fil-A he is an idiot if he doesn’t expect fallout from that.

    Don’t think he cares one way or the other. If he did, he wouldn’t make decisions that would possibly hurt his business.

    If people who live here shouldn’t care about a boycott of Chick-Fil-A, why should people here care about people here who care about a boycott of Chick-Fil-A? American Politics is surreal these days.

  8. Frankenchrist says:

    Sandy,

    Show me a White Castle and I’m there; however, I don’t overdo it which is why as I segue into mid-life I possess a ripped body that drives women absolutely crazy. Most teabaggers look pale and unhealthy, their swollen red faces indicate they are ready to blow a blood vessel in their brain at any moment.

  9. SandHills says:

    krumm, I read an earlier letter today – with enough responses to show there are significant support here among the TNT readers to boycott chick-fil-a.

    Again, I read the letter as another example of how you are either on the “red state” side of an issue, or the “blue state” side- with no middle ground for commonsense people to say, hey I enjoy a sandwich. And while the intolerant people of South Carolina can accept Amazon regardless of the personal views of its CEO, many “tolerant” liberals feel that Chick-fil-a sandwiches should be less appealing because their CEO has a different personal views.

    Finally, it is just plain silly for people who don’t even know what chick-fil-a is to support a boycott of a business that is successful, during this time of economic downturn – especially since they don’t have any here.

  10. SandHills says:

    FC, there you go – I like in-and-out burgers, another franchise to escape the demands of NW tastebuds – common ground

    But it is that smug, better-than-you , impression many liberals wear like an angels halo that turns half the country away before there is any discussion of middle ground.

    And if you truly see teabaggers in that light, well there it is – and why the Congress is tied in knots to get anything done. Mostly, what works in American politics is compromise – neither side gets everything they want.

    So if you can’t get past your impression of teabaggers – and their impression that liberals are holier-than-thou hypocrites (as your post indicates) – well what difference does it make anyway.

    That road only leads to civil war, and not “civil” as in words – and both of us know who has the most guns.

  11. SandHills says:

    Just saw the news -lines around the block in LA chick-fil-a. LA???, well will wonders never cease….

  12. LeePHill says:

    “I admit I have had chick-fil-a many times – and miss having “healthier” option here.”

    “Healthier fast food” is like “Intellectual Tea Party Members”

    Deep fried…..need anything more be said?

    Maybe you’d like to share that link about the lines around the block. It doesn’t seem to BING too well

  13. SandHills says:

    Lee…it was just on Channel 5 King. and right now it is on ABC

    Again, overly condescending to all fast food eaters – 190 calories for a chick-fil-a is less than most. Like all things it is perception – for someone who only eats fast food, well I admit not a healthy choice – and most people do partake of fast food from time-to-time for convenience. For both groups, if you eat fast food the one that offers less calories would indeed be a better. And as you put on your liberal knights armor to bring justice and tolerance for all the downtrodden in the world, how about sharing your Copper River salmon with those who can only afford fast food.

    We can’t all live in the utopian world liberals want us to believe exists – usually, like your tea party description, it shows liberals also have a propensity to have an intolerant streak a mile wide.

  14. Sand,

    People do stupid things all the time. Not seeing any reason to get that worked up about it.

    I don’t worry about it. I just order my Freedom Fries and refuse to eat anywhere they try to sell me French Fries.

  15. SandHills says:

    Which, I believe is the main point the letter writer was making krummm….

  16. Sand- I am traveling and stopped by a chick-fil-a for the first time. Fantastic.

    Thank you for seeing past the rhetoric.

    The rest of are missing out. Your fake values (as pointed out price means the most to you) are comical.

  17. SandHills says:

    Well, CT I try -not to clear on your last point though…

  18. LeePHill says:

    “a couple hundred people” in Northridge?????? Several were quoted saying they traveled to get there.

    Impressive.

    The Subway Grand Opening in the Proctor District served something like 500 sandwiches….MADE TO ORDER. And Huckabee didn’t huck it…..

    Reminds me of the Tea Party in Olympia with our AG. First report – 1,000. Second report – 3,500. Next report 5,000 No, the pictures didn’t show a growing crowd. Rob has asked all to forget that day, since the Supreme Court said he was wrong.

    “The Northridge restaurant declined to comment and referred questions to the company’s corporate office.”

    My question…..what was the giveaway?

    “After obama is gone and you get a mandate from the people I hope you return to your closet for another 20 years.”

    Keep wishing, there, Buster. Three swing states polled Obama in the lead by double digits. Romney is throwing this election like a Chinese badminton player.

  19. LeePHill says:

    “190 calories for a chick-fil-a is less than most”

    Someone missed the Subway Grand Opening…..

  20. averageJose says:

    Bet their sales skyrocket from all the press.

  21. LeePHill says:

    Oh yeah…..all the bigots that hate homosexuals probably flocked to a restaurant to celebrate….

    Maybe next, they can go to a lunch counter in the Southern states, circa 1961…..

  22. Publico says:

    We have never bought a Chick-fil-A product nor do we intend to buy something from them in the future. Our original decision had nothing to do with their gay marriage position. It does now.
    I don’t care if they care or not. The position they have taken will have its own consequences and my bet is that in the long run, they will be on the losing side.

  23. Pub- if you stay in the commie NW you decision is made for you. Sure CFA does not care.

    Hill, this is about choice and respecting values. Don’t be so closed minded.

    I may drive one tomorrow and drop off a few bucks. Just to piss you off. Yes, I am not in Tacoma or Wa.

  24. SandHills says:

    Publico, maybe if they cared a hoot in hell about NW liberals buying from them at all you might have a point to make…

    otherwise it is moot….no franchises here.

    But maybe after the November election the % of voters who shot down the same-sex marriage bill will serve as the marketing numbers to bring a couple franchises up here – maybe at least Spokane, maybe even Pierce County, but I seriously doubt King County/Seattle will ever have the right “culture” to support one, but again I doubt Chick-fil-a cares.

    But like the letter writer stated – its a hoot to see all you holier-than-thou liberals show your intolerant streak – even if it is all empty words about boycotting a business that isn’t even up here. And the hypocrisy of Bezos is the cherry on top.

  25. SandHills says:

    Lee, yes lower than most – your play on semantics notwithstanding, Subway alone does not serve as “most” fast food brands.

    And regardless of how many walked or drove to Chick-fil-as, their statement was much bigger than all those same-sex couples that were suppose be boycotting – or hugging and kissing in – those same franchises – especially LA where I was surprised they even had a franchise on the Left Coast.

  26. Hmmm the one in N Washington must have closed.. Sounds to me that the CEO of Amazon must be a former Boy Scout he against gay marriage but Amazon known to sell book about child pedophilia.

  27. beerBoy says:

    Sandhills – so not eating fast food is equivalent to dining on Copper River Salmon? Funny how the Rightist logic gets turned inside out when the discussion is about obese poor people and how, if they would just eat healthily instead of all that fast food…..

    When the fast food is from an anti-gay marriage campaigner it is food for the people, cheap and healthy but when we are talking about the food that food stamps buy it s unhealthy and overpriced..

    Now just who is being a moralist about food choices here?

    Gotta love how CT7 has made it some sort of communist conspiracy that Chick-fil-A isn’t in WA…… There is virtually nothing that youse guys won’t turn into evidence of the Left’s vile influence.

  28. LeePHill says:

    A similar picture, without the closeup embellishment, is making the rounds on Facebook, with a totally different cutline.

    “Hill, this is about choice and respecting values.”

    Yeah….and those that distain bigotry are demonstrating their choice by boycotting the stores. Their values are about opposing bigotry.

    “Let the market settle the issue”

  29. LeePHill says:

    Oh…and about the “kiss in”…..

    I wouldn’t spend the time it takes, nor provide the recognition for the chain. I don’t support public displays of affection (other than reasonable greetings), regardless of sexual orientation. Just boycott the store and be done with it. Don’t turn this into another anti-abortion day with faked pictures.

  30. beerBoy says:

    RE: not eating junk food is “elitism”

    Love how the Right turns on the “class warfare” when it suits them.

  31. NWflyfisher says:

    A business owner vocalizes his personal beliefs on a controversial issue. The advocates for one side act out to harm him and his business in retaliation because that business owner doesn’t think as they do or support what they support. When did Americans lose their right to free speech, believe what they choose and speak out in support of their personal belief? Much like an spoiled child who screams, cries and throws tantrums in an effort to get what he or she wants, the boycotters don’t engage in intellectual, public dialogue but rather try to gain support from others by stirring emotions and acting out. It’s a sad day for free speech in America and doesn’t bode well for its future if this is what we’ve become.

  32. yabetchya says:

    The intolerance for free speech/will is amazing. I would go eat there in support, just as I shopped at JC Penny when there was a boycott called for when Ellen became their spokes person. I REFUSE to have anyone tell me where I can or should eat, shop, play, pray because they think it should be their way or the highway.

  33. Little matter…..People in the Pacific Northwest are FAR too sophisticated for Chick-Fil-A anyway….(pardon me while I stick my tongue further into my cheek!) :D

  34. SandHills says:

    Beerboy the reference to salmon was how out of touch with reality most liberals are in their desire to establish an utopian society.

    Snubbing people for their fast food, without thinking that it is what they can afford, expecting them to afford more healthy choices like salmon (Copper River variety at $$$ per lb) is the type of narrow minded thinking hardcore liberals have – just like hardcore conservatives on the otherside – ideology over reality.

    Get out and talk with some real people rather than spouting intransigent political philosophy on a blog – a touch of reality will do you good, and that goes for the same PC police on the other side of the political schism in this country as well.

  35. Where was their collective outrage 2 years ago when BHO thought marriage was between a man and woman only (before he needed gay and progressive dollars)?

    Most Americans do not support gay marriage. Fact. They are not bigots. They are following ther beliefs. They are not telling the gay community how to live, just not giving them a title based on thousands of years of tradition.

  36. Gallup Politics, May 20, 2011

    For First Time, Majority of Americans Favor Legal Gay Marriage

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/147662/First-Time-Majority-Americans-Favor-Legal-Gay-Marriage.aspx

  37. beerBoy says:

    ummm….boycotts are not infringing Free Speech as guaranteed by the Constitution.

    As much as I loathe the American Family Association and their political actions – their boycotts of businesses that support same-sex partner benefits IS free speech – just like the folks who choose to boycott Chick-fil-A.

  38. beerBoy says:

    Capitalism is, by design, amoral. Those capitalists, like the owner of Chick-fil-A and Ben and Jerry’s, who choose to violate that central principle of Capitalist behavior do so at the risk (and sometimes, benefit) of the primary purpose of a Capitalist enterprise – profit.

    I’m surprised you supposed supporters of the Free Market don’t understand this.

  39. beerBoy says:

    sandhills – pretty words but it doesn’t change the facts – by invoking Copper River Salmon for “most liberals” you are playing a class warfare card.

  40. SandHills says:

    The same attack I get form the conservatives on this forum poking fun at Romney’s life-stye. But a much better response to your constant barrage of quips can be found on the other letter in this forum about Romney and Israeli Health care.

    Not going to to debate – my point is what I said – it was in response to your brothers in arms on this forum who associate fast food with teabaggers and how hypocritical liberals can be in there holier-than-thou views.

    You are the recognized champ on is forum for counter-punching with semantics and twisted words – but until that gets you up on a podium with a gold medal and the national anthem playing, all you posting to make smartass guips are for naught…..

  41. NWflyfisher says:

    beerboy: If your comment was directed at me, I never said the boycott was infringing on free speech. My point was that the owner of the business who spoke his opinion has every right to do so without fearing reprisal. Voicing an opposing view yes, but acting out in order to harm him or his business no. If someone wants to act out because another has an opposing viewpoint, well, they certainly have a right to their tantrum as long as their actions do not harm the person or his business which, apparently, what the boycotters appear to be doing. If you’re comment was not directed at me then ignore this post.

  42. Frankenchrist says:

    Leave it to the teabaggers to make fast food a civil rights issue. No wonder they are morbidly obese.

  43. SandHills says:

    Now FC, your team captain beerboy has already thrown the penallty flag on class warfare….

  44. Frankenchrist says:

    Class warfare? I’m talking the Battle of the Bulge.

  45. alindasue says:

    Sandhills said, “Snubbing people for their fast food, without thinking that it is what they can afford, expecting them to afford more healthy choices like salmon (Copper River variety at $$$ per lb)…”

    People who can afford to buy fast food can afford to eat healthy. The cost of two standard fast food meals (about $10) could buy a whole loaf of whole grain bread, a small jar of peanut butter (or pound of sliced meat), a bunch of celery, a box of raisins (or jar of applesauce), and a gallon of milk. That’s a full healthy lunch for a family of 6-8 people.

    Shall we go on to dinner? How about a nice quick dinner. A fast food dinner for a family of 8 is easily $45 or more. (I know. I’ve paid it.)

    However, two pre-cooked whole roasted chickens ($10), a bag of mixed salad greens ($2), salad dressing ($2), whole grain rolls ($3), and a couple bottles of sparkling fruit juice ($5) equals $23.

    Healthy food choices do not have to involve items like overpriced salmon. It is not “class wars” to suggest that people eat more healthy.

    As for chick-fil-a, it doesn’t matter how any of us feel about the place. It’s easy to “boycott” a restaurant that you’d have to travel halfway across the country to even find…

  46. When you use your wealth and success as a podium for your political views, be prepared to have your wealth and success attacked.

  47. LeePHill says:

    “My point was that the owner of the business who spoke his opinion has every right to do so without fearing reprisal.”

    WRONG. The First Amendment guarantees you a right to speak your mind. It doesn’t prevent others from speaking their’s when you speak your’s.

  48. LeePHill says:

    CT7 says:
    Aug. 2, 2012 at 9:40 am Where was their collective outrage 2 years ago when BHO thought marriage was between a man and woman only (before he needed gay and progressive dollars)?

    A simple search of the internet…BING, google, etc….will answer your ridiculous question.

    Who do you think donated to Obama’s 2008 campaign? Conservatives?

  49. NWflyfisher says:

    LeePHill: You missed my point and misrepresented what I said once again. What I said in my post to beerboy at 10:10 this morning (see above) was “I never said the boycott was infringing on free speech. My point was that the owner of the business who spoke his opinion has every right to do so without fearing reprisal. Voicing an opposing view yes, but acting out in order to harm him or his business no. If someone wants to act out because another has an opposing viewpoint, well, they certainly have a right to their tantrum as long as their actions do not harm the person or his business…”

    It appears you need to take a course in reading comprehension

  50. Reprisal = physical attack with the intent of inflicting as much injury as possible.

    Have there been threats against the owner or against his business outlets?
    Have any been broken into and destroyed?
    Have any been burnt to the ground?
    Have any been bombed?
    Have any workers been assaulted?
    Have any custumers been assaulted or prevented from entering an outlet?

    Boycott = voluntarily abstaining from using, buying, or dealing with others as an expression of protest or disfavor or as a means of coercion.

    According to SCOTUS, money is free speech, so deciding where and how to spend my money is me exercising my free speech.

  51. NWFly

    Did you just suggest that the boycott consitutes an illegal reprisal?

    If you didn’t, I apologize, but please elaborate on your point.

    There is nothing that prevents citizens from boycotting any business for any reason they see fit, or merely because they get the proverbial wild hair. A saavy business person would know this. I suspect he doesn’t care about the boycott or he would have kept his mouth shut. Or he figures preaching against gay marriage is more important that any business he may lose as a result.

  52. LeePHill says:

    “NWflyfisher says:
    Aug. 2, 2012 at 1:31 pm LeePHill: You missed my point and misrepresented what I said once again”

    How can I misrepresent you when I copied and pasted from your comment?

  53. Nothing illegal. Just classless and hypocritical.

    The biggest joke is Chicago. BHOs buddy wasted one second of time speaking on a chicken joint (an potentially losing a tax paying business) while a war goes on in his city. Some “Chicago values”!

  54. CT7 – I doubt such a thing as a short chicken joke would prevent a true capitalist entrepreneur from opening a profitable business.

  55. NWflyfisher says:

    As xring correctly states, “Boycott = voluntarily abstaining from using, buying, or dealing with others as an expression of protest or disfavor or as a means of coercion” and is perfectly acceptable as a form of free speech. I applaud their exercise of free speech. What is not acceptable is causing harm to an individual or disrupting and interfering with ones business activity. If the boycotters wish to voice thir opposition to his opinion so be it, they have the right to do so. What they don’t have the right to do is anything that interferes with or disrupts the conduct of business.

  56. biblethumper says:

    Humpty Dumpty took a fall ,did he pay all ? Yes, at the end of the fall he paid all because “The Law” caught up with him…
    All you Humpty Dumpties food junkies , what does the “Food” Laws say at Leviticus 3:17 , 11 ,,, violate the food laws , you pay, sooner or later… The three basic sins , Pride of Life ,Lust of the eye , Lust of the flesh ,,,see 1 John 2:16 …
    Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing … Acts 2:38…

  57. OK, I’ll bite. What has been done to disrupt or interfere with CFA business?

  58. took14theteam says:

    How can I misrepresent you when I copied and pasted from your comment?

    Because you cherry picked something and posted it out of context. Ask your other Hill buddy what that means.

    You knew what you were doing when you did it, because that is how you roll here.

  59. NWF,
    Have there been physical attacks such as I enumerated?

    “what is not acceptable is causing harm to an individual or disrupting and interfering with one’s business activity.”

    Tell that to Dr. Teller, and others who provide safe, legal abortions.

  60. NWflyfisher says:

    Thomas Menino, Democrat mayor of Boston, sent a letter to Dan Cathy, president of Chick-Fil-A urging him to abandon plans to expand the fast food chain to his city. In his letter of July 20, Menino wrote the following: “In recent days you said Chick-fil-A opposes same-sex marriage and said the generation that supports it has ‘an arrogant attitude,’” (see online). He continued: “…there is no place for discrimination on Boston’s Freedom Trail and no place for your company alongside it.”

    Rahm Emanuel, Democrat mayor of Chicago, declared that Chick-Fil-A did not respresent “Chicago values” and suggested that Chick-fil-A invest its money elsewhere (see online).

    Ed Lee, Democrat mayor of San Francisco, tweeted, “Very disappointed #ChickFilA doesn’t share San Francisco’s values & strong commitment to equality for everyone.” He soon followed up with another tweet reading, “Closest #ChickFilA to San Francisco is 40 miles away & I strongly recommend that they not try to come any closer.”

    Gay rights activists are planning to hold a “National Same-Sex Kiss Day at Chick-fil-A” on Friday.

    How do those comport with “voluntarily abstaining from using, buying, or dealing with others as an expression of protest or disfavor or as a means of coercion”. The first 3 appear to be threats to business activity. The 4th, a planned activity by activists, appears to be designed to disrupt the conduct of business.

  61. LeePHill says:

    Fascinating how a sector of Americans is choosing to boycott a business – just like Right Wing groups have done for years – and now there is something wrong with it.

  62. NWF – so where are the threats of incidents of physical violence?

  63. Capybara91 says:

    Another divisive pseudo-controversy. Being gay is becoming as boring as, well, being married.

  64. beerBoy says:

    planned activity by activists, appears to be designed to disrupt the conduct of business.

    I do not support this – it is bad when anti-abortion activist do it and bad when pro-same sex marriage activist do too.

  65. NWflyfisher says:

    Patience, xring, the activists’ planned, organized and coordinated nationwide “kiss in” begins tomorrow.

    By the way, I’m heading out at 0-Dark-30 tomorrow to do some preliminary scouting for deer since early archery season begins 9/1. Won’t have technology other than cell phone, gps and gmrs radio. Consequently I won’t be able to read or post to this thread until sometime Tuesday so don’t think I’m ignoring you when I don’t respond.

  66. LeePHill says:

    “Capybara91 says:
    Aug. 2, 2012 at 7:29 pm Another divisive pseudo-controversy. Being gay is becoming as boring as, well, being married.”

    :::::STANDING OVATION:::::

    ChickNShiet is playing the oldest CON game in the book. They took a page from Romney’s campaign man, Frank Vandersloot

  67. citizen65 says:

    Many Democrat mayors don’t believe their constituents should have a choice. It appears many Democrat mayors have a different definition of democracy than I.

  68. citizen65, that’s because demokrat politicians are used to thinking for their followers and their followers are used to having their corrupt criminal politicians think for them. Nothing new here. Chicago values? Give me a break!

  69. NWF,
    A kiss in, that’s all you got. Here’s some advise – when you load you bow, the pointy end of stick think should not be near your face.

    When I bow hunted the most advanced technology I had was my bow.

    C65 and Frothy
    The Republican Governor of Michigan is the only elected official that has the right to control a city to the extent you two are fantasizing about.

  70. Could the people defending CHICK-fil-a be the same people who boycotted the Dixie CHICKs? Could there be some sort of karmic “CHICK” connection at work here? Where is Leonard Nimoy when you need him?

  71. beerBoy says:

    Won’t have technology other than cell phone, gps and gmrs radio.

    Wow….damn near primitive! ‘Only” a cell phone, gps and gmrs radio!

    :-)

  72. nwindependent says:

    This whole thing had more to do with free speech. In this country, we have the right to speak our opinion. What people are tired of if being villified for having an opinion other than what the opposition thinks. The CEO of Chick fil a believes in marriage between a man and a woman. If you have a different view, that is your first ammendment right in our country. But to demand that his company be shut down and not allowed in some cities is just stupid and un-American. Talk about intolerence, isn’t that what the liberals always preach? Maybe they should practice it too.

  73. LeePHill says:

    “citizen65 says:
    Aug. 2, 2012 at 8:13 pm Many Democrat mayors don’t believe their constituents should have a choice. It appears many Democrat mayors have a different definition of democracy than I.”

    The last I knew, DEMOCRATIC (they always misuse the words) Mayors have the right to their opinion in a democracy. It appears citizen65 has a different definition of democracy – probably from misusing the word “democrat”.

  74. LeePHill says:

    “But to demand that his company be shut down and not allowed in some cities is just stupid and un-American.”

    You need to read the text closer. To say “we don’t need companies that discriminate in our city” or that “company XYZ doesn’t align with our city’s values”, is nothing more than an opinion – protected by the same right you are claiming.

    You are reading the quotes the same way that people quote the president.

  75. LeePHill says:

    I have to laugh at “independents” who castigate “liberals” and say nothing about “conservatives”

  76. Nice wallpaper, Hill.

    Just over 90 days ago the most leftist president in our history believed marriage was between a man and woman. Once again the Chicago machine gets the focus on social issues (while bashing a business).

    Most Americans consider themselves socially conservative. Fact. 31 states voted on gay marriage and it failed.

    It is not the extreme or the bible belt that thinks dem pols should not redefine our values, but states like Oregon.

    All this will do is ensure more religious people vote in Nov. good job LGBT community.

  77. Everything changes – except the right wing brain.

  78. the most leftist president in our history

    Do you really believe this stuff you post?

    Take a little time and look at FDR’s and LBJ’s Administrations.

    The only thing slightly “left” about Obama this past four years is that he pushed for a revision of health insurance policy based upon a mandate recommended by the Heritage Foundation and a policy created in Massachussetts under a Republican governor.

  79. The reactions from Gov Officials about blocking CFA Franchises are wrong. They have nothing to do with boycotts and should be discussed separetly.

    As long as the boycotts or Kiss -In is on public property there isn’t anything illegal about it. If it is on CFA property they can request LEO intervention.

  80. Ortingmom says:

    All of this something to do abount nothing…has give Chik-fil-a record sales in the last few days. Great !!!

  81. Ortingmom – short term gain – but at what long term cost?

  82. Ortingmom says:

    I don’t know, I guess we’ll see. I am all for Chick-fil-a, making a stand just as I am all for Jeff Bezo’s doing the same thing…..

  83. Bb- good job ignoring all substance. Was BHO a bigot 3 months ago, and his entire life leading up to that point?

  84. beerBoy says:

    BHO’s record, as you have pointed out, demonstrates that he is anything but the “most Leftist President”.

    His, is the third term of W.

    His decisions are based upon political expediency – he is an excellent campaigner but not a good statesman – and he does take courageous stands on anything.

  85. NWflyfisher says:

    xring: I had to postpone departure until this afternoon.

    beerboy: Seems as though BHO has no problem taking a stand on issues when he’s in front of a group of doners at a fund raiser. I wonder why.

  86. LeePHill wrote: Oh yeah…..all the bigots that hate homosexuals probably flocked to a restaurant to celebrate….

    Disagreement with a particular lifestyle does not make one a bigot anymore than a same sex union makes a marriage. The US code defines marriage and the definition does not include same sex unions.

  87. When you point out that BHO was a bigot in their new definition of the word just 90 days ago, they go silent.

    Not approving of gay marriage is the norm. the majority of hardworking Americans are not ‘bigots’.

  88. beerBoy says:

    CT7 – are you saying that Obama was actively contributing to an anti-same sex marriage campaign? Not having the stones to make a stand without checking the polls is just being a typical politician. Actively trying to prevent others from enjoying the same rights/privileges as you based upon their creed, color, gender, sexual orientation, age, abilities IS bigotry.

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