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ELECTION: How’s Obama’s ‘friends’ policy working?

Letter by Joe Carman IV, Tacoma on July 18, 2012 at 12:25 pm with 60 Comments »
July 18, 2012 12:53 pm

It is interesting that U.S. Rep. Adam Smith attacks the prior administration on national security (TNT, 7-17).

We were secure during the Bush administration, perhaps because of the aggressive response to the terror perpetrated on our soil. How has the Obama “let’s be friends” policy with Iran and North Korea worked? The reset with Russia? Really, not so well.

It is interesting that Smith chose to attack Mitt Romney on foreign policy and conveniently deflect focus from a disastrous economy. Will Barack Obama ever take responsibility for his economy, or after almost four years will he continue to run against George W. Bush? It is pathetic.

Romney is not Bush. It will be refreshing to have a president who actually has familiarity with the private sector and understands what drives job creation and economic growth.

It is time for a change. I don’t want four more years of international confusion and economic disaster.

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  1. sandblower says:

    President Obama is easily the best choice to reach Mr. Carman’s goals without destroying other aspects of our society. Now if Mr. Carman really wanted to make some positive changes he would support Democrats instead of republicans in the house and senate.

  2. charliebucket says:

    another disjointed, low fact ‘How I hate Obama, let me count the ways’ letter.

    It is hysterical how a ‘defense’ of Bush is that he kept us secure…. AFTER the 9/11 attack on his watch.

    ROTFLMAO

  3. truthbusterguy says:

    It’s hard to think of a president that has been more of an Epic Failure than President obama. Even Jimmy Carter is glad this guy came along, so at least he knows he is no longer the worst president ever.

    There comes a time and a point in history which indelibly define a President. Such a moment has happened to Barack Obama. His incompetence, inability to lead, prevarications, petulance and immaturity in the debt ceiling crisis have indelibly created an image of abject failure in the minds of a critical mass of people in the United States and around the globe. He will never be able to overcome the portrait that has been etched in too many minds.

    Little does obama understand that he has forever branded himself as an incompetent and failure. His narcissism and lifelong history of receiving public adulation will not allow him to comprehend the damage. He does not understand that now few will listen to his speeches, no matter how well delivered; that few will believe what he is saying, as he has lied and distorted the facts so often. Many world leaders have already arrived at the conclusion that obama is a leader that cannot be trusted, the citizens of the United States are beginning to understand that he is a man without a core set of principles thus incapable of guiding the ship of state.

  4. TBG – comes across with more non-truths.
    Bush will forever be remembered for 9/11.

    Obama will be remembered as the President who got Bin Laden.

    And the Republions in Congress as they who sold us out to make Obama a one term President.

  5. menopaws says:

    This guy must own stock in defense corporations….Mr. Romney is VERY clear about bombing Iran—I heard him say it in a speech in Ohio. More blood, more death, more war—-tell me, how does that make you feel more secure??? Oh, and Joe—it wasn’t Bush who doubled down to get Bin Laden……I know most Republicans either ignore that or somehow squirm their way up to a microphone to take credit for it—among the military in my family, that is always good for a big laugh……Your definition of security is somewhat scary , frankly……

  6. the3rdpigshouse says:

    When “OH-Bummer” is through gutting our military, we had all better start taking Chinese with all the free education that will be available from that marxist/socialist “OH-Bummer”!!!

    Wake up people and get this terrible mistake out of office in January!!!

  7. Total nonsense. Obama has an enviable foreign policy record. He has barely been criticized on that front. Under his watch, we’ve had more drone kills, including those beyond the borders of Afghanistan and Iraq, of almost every number 1, 2, and 3 top men of most prevalent terror groups in the region. He did just the right thing with Libya – a gentle push to achieve a desired end with little money and zero American lives lost.

    The thing that low-information right wingers don’t understand is that, in the Middle East, power vacuums as the result of a traditional invasion get filled by fundamental violent extremists. Anyone advocating for direct military action and/or invasion in Iran must have forgotten what the last 10 years were like in Iraq.

  8. xring, NEWSFLASH! It was the SEALS who got Bin Laden, Obama was sitting in the White House watching it on T.V., give credit where it is due. If you want to continue in that scenario, we could say it was Bush who got Sadam Hussein, and the Al Qaeda members who now sit in prison. By extension, we could say that Clinton dropped the ball when he refused to have Bin Laden killed, thus 9/11.

  9. norsey, more drone kills? If Bush did that, you would all be hollering about “colatteral damage”, remember? Or is Obama so accurate when he fires the drones that he doesn’t get innocent civilians?

  10. menopaws, It was Bush’s aggessive pursuit of Bin Laden that pushed him into the mountains and finally into Pakistan. My, how you liberals forget so fast. If Clinton had still been in the White House, Bin Laden would be living in a 5th Ave Penthouse.

  11. alindasue says:

    xring said, “Bush will forever be remembered for 9/11.”

    No. President Bush will forever be remembered for squandering the international goodwill that was shown to our country following the 9/11 attacks by defying the United Nations and starting a preemptive war against a country that wasn’t even connected to the attacks on our people. That, more than the economy, will be what he will be remembered for.

    President Obama has presided over an economy that started off terrible hand has yet to progress beyond bad. President Bush presided over an economy that started off fair and ended terrible. If I were inclined toward strictly partisan arguments, I would see this as evidence that President Bush failed on the economic front as well as the diplomatic front.

    However, as an independent I am able see that both presidents were and are presiding in the midst of a GLOBAL WIDE recession. It isn’t just President Bush or President Obama causing it… and the solutions are not going to be found through partisan fighting and obstructionism.

    truthbusterguy and the3rdpigshouse,
    If you have an actual argument to make, please present it. Hyperbole, name calling, and telling us to “start taking Chinese” do not actually function as valid arguments. You obviously have strong opinions about President Obama. Please, present your valid arguments (without name calling) to explain what led to those opinions.

  12. alindasue says:

    norsey said, “… Under his watch, we’ve had more drone kills…”

    I would not necessarily include the military’s increased us of drones among President Obama’s more laudable accomplishments.

  13. LeePHill says:

    “frosty says:
    July 18, 2012 at 3:45 pm xring, NEWSFLASH! It was the SEALS who got Bin Laden, Obama was sitting in the White House watching it on T.V., give credit where it is due.”

    And George Bush was responsible for what when he “landed” on the aircraft carrier off San Diego with a “Mission Accomplished” banner flying?

    Had Obama led the SEAL team in, you would have said he was showboating.

  14. sandblower says:

    The extreme right’s cover has been blown.
    Check it out.
    “It’s Even Worse Than It Looks: How the American Constitutional System Collided with the New Politics of Extremism.” Mann and Ornstein.

  15. LeePHill says:

    Here’s what “I look great with a codpiece” George did about Bin Laden:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PGmnz5Ow-o

    By the way, Joe…..I’m really disappointed. I thought you were well above the level of this malarky.

  16. LeePHill says:

    “frosty says:
    July 18, 2012 at 3:51 pm menopaws, It was Bush’s aggessive pursuit of Bin Laden that pushed him into the mountains and finally into Pakistan.”

    HOHOHOHEEHEEHEEHAHAHA

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PGmnz5Ow-o

  17. Truthabuserguy you really should stick to just eating your Alphabits. There was absolutely nothing original (or anything else that made sense) in your attempt at projecting your self loathing onto the President. I do applaud you for stringing together so many talking points though.

    Maybe you can get together with 3pigsty, the other oxygen thief, and form a sort of Montessori school for talking in tongues.

  18. “Will Barack Obama ever take responsibility for his economy, or after almost four years will he continue to run against George W. Bush? It is pathetic.”

    The President has been taking responsibility for the economy and has been trying to fix it. Joe will you take responsibility and acknowledge that the Republicans have stymied him at every turn? ‘Voted no on everything that could have helped our citizenry. It’s funny how they and you try to explain away your irrational hatred.

  19. Frosty says: norsey, more drone kills? If Bush did that, you would all be hollering about “colatteral damage”, remember? Or is Obama so accurate when he fires the drones that he doesn’t get innocent civilians?

    I always knew you were a flaming liberal underneath all that tough guy garbage you spout.

  20. menopaws says:

    Frosty—You people are soooo pathetic and desperate to cover your butts for the WMD moron and his Vice President handing off no- bid contracts to a company he once ran…….You have no shame over the level of lies and corruption………..Keep living in your sad little fantasy land—–From Day One Obama made it a priority and it did NOT take him EIGHT years of empty excuses to get the job done…..You people can’t even give rightful credit—–sad, pathetic little men stealing someone else’s thunder….Get a clue—twice you voted for an idiot who invaded a country for NO VALID reason and drove this economy off a cliff………..You can’t change what happened, but honorable men admit their mistakes……….Get a clue, win or lose—Obama is a better, stronger, smarter man than those Pillsbury dough boys the Republicans keep running……but then, they aren’t really in charge of anything are they??? Cheney and company meeting with Romney again—strike up the band……

  21. Frosty,
    a. Who set in motion the intelligent gathering activites pinpointed OBL’s position?

    b. Who sent the Seals?

    c. Who risked his political career to send the Seals?

    d. Who was more concerned with the safety and well-being of the Seals before, during, after the raid.

    Just like Bush gets the blame/credit for Afghanistan and Iraqi, Obama gets the credit for getting OBL.

    Oh the right wing hypocrisy.

    Obama should not get the credit for OBL, but is to be held responsible for collateral damage due to dome drone strikes.

    So then it was the slow lazy troops in the field that allowed OBL escape?

    And who said he did not know and did not care where OBL was?

    Alindasue,
    Some people claim there is evidence that Bush (or at least his senior official) knew there was going to be an attacked and did nothing to stop it so they would have an excuse for their war plans.

    Use of drones – Patton’s First Principle – you win the war not by dying for your country but by letting those on the other side die for theirs.

    To borrow an old right wing war chant: I would rather see drone strikes and collateral damage over there than IUD’s here.

  22. alindasue says:

    xring said, “Some people claim there is evidence that Bush (or at least his senior official) knew there was going to be an attacked and did nothing to stop it so they would have an excuse for their war plans.”

    Whether President Bush knew the 9/11 attack was coming or not, it was still Saudi – not Iraqi – nationals who attacked. We don’t need to see any evidence he had prior knowledge of the attacks (if he did) to know that the war in Iraq was unwarranted.

    “Use of drones – Patton’s First Principle – you win the war not by dying for your country but by letting those on the other side die for theirs.”

    To borrow from Karate Kid: “Best defense, no be there.”
    It’s time for the troops AND THE DRONES to come home.

  23. TBG,
    Warren G. Harding,
    Richard M. Nixon,
    George W. Bush,

    Alindasue,
    Would love to see all of our troops home, and most overseas bases closed.

    Till then the best defense is a good offense.

    “Send Me A Ticket For An Aeroplane”
    “Ain’t gonna study war no more no more”

  24. I thought Bush was the MBA president? That worked well for us, please give me a break.

  25. averageJose says:

    Just like the 9-11 attacks, it will take a few years of planning by terrorists during a weak presidents term to come to fruition. They had to pull the trigger shortly after Bush took office as they knew he was a pro-American who took national security seriously. Their plans were being laid as Bill dilly dallied in the oval office. As they plan now, during another weak president who doesn’t believe in American exceptionalism, we should expect, if Romney wins, they will once again have to pull the trigger early in his term or risk their plans being foiled by yet another pro-American president who takes national security seriously.

  26. charliebucket says:

    mind reading, speculating and making sh** up as you go again to support the OHS, joe?

    Pro American?

    Please, you people are ridiculous.

  27. Even wild Bill and his cigars were never accused of being so political and selfish. What has changed between the relationship of the parties? Yes, the left accused W of all sorts on conspiracy based madness, but a huge number of Americans today feel BHO is not acting in their or the country’s interest.

    Do you blame the guy at the top, the elected “leader” or the Joe in the street?

  28. charliebucket says:

    a huge number of Americans today are listening to hate radio and watching propaganda TV and forming opinions based on lies and political character assassination attempts of a sitting US President by entertainers for profit and by members of the opposing party for personal gain.

    it is unprecedented. and dangerous. ALL Americans should be outraged.

    Bush was joked about because he was a dolt, and unpopular because he took us to war. BUT there was NOT a national TV network and a 1000 radio syndicates demonizing him 24 hours a day. please, get real.

  29. alindasue says:

    averageJose,

    September 2001 was not THAT early in President Bush’s term. It can also be argued that they waited until a hawk president was in office to trigger a “jihad” worthy reaction. In essence, by reacting as he did – restricting American freedoms through pushing through the “Patriot” Act and starting a preemptive war by invading Iraq – the terrorists won. He gave them the “devil” American that they were looking for.

    American “exceptionalism” is just a vain concept, right up there with “manifest destiny”. What is truly exceptional about America is the very thing we have been most in danger of losing: our constitutionally guaranteed freedoms. Our danger is not from “enemies” in the middle east, but from what we allow to occur in the halls of Congress in our search for “safety”.

  30. So in the Internet age we have less information then a decade ago? No, people who care (like most people from both sides that blog here) know more about pols than ever.

    Mr Transparent is just be called for who/what he is. I am sure you miss the day when a union boss or preacher could tell a flock what was real and how to vote.

  31. menopaws says:

    CT&—You have your preacher–even supplies you with all the talking points on a daily basis…..Fox News and Limbaugh have made being stupid easy…..You are the embodiment of the best they have to offer.Glass houses and stones—-get real…..The sheer amount of venom spewed out from these propaganda machines is both lethal and very, very scary. This kind of hatred is not the business of healthy people.

  32. averageJose says:

    At least Charlie is consistent with the name calling.

  33. averageJose says:

    9-11 was prior to Bush’s first budget. If you give Barry a pass after 3-1/2 years for the economy SURELY you must give Bush a pass.

  34. LeePHill says:

    “CT7 says:
    July 18, 2012 at 10:41 pm Even wild Bill and his cigars were never accused of being so political and selfish.”

    Says the one who constantly says “Bush isn’t in office”

    This is CONresponse #69 – “Lewinsky and Clinton”

  35. LeePHill says:

    I guess I’m still not understanding what the CON complaint is about the economy.

    When Bush as in office and the market was at 12,000…they were elated.

    Obama takes over at 8000 and it’s now at 13000 and they say he hasn’t done anything.

    Is this just dogwhistle for “get rid of the black guy”?

  36. nwcolorist says:

    Alindasue, I’d rather be known for American exceptionalism than for the “excuse-me-for-living’ mantra that permeates the Democratic Party.

  37. menopaws says:

    American exceptionalism is another phrase like my favorite” reality challenged”……….Reality challenged is the politically correct way to say, crazy, whack job, bats in the belfry………American exceptionalism is the polite way to say stupid, greedy and lazy…..This morning the ribbon on the TV said that the average Canadian citizen has a much higher net worth than the average American…………All these years of believing we were the best and the brightest—-come to find out we are heading to the bottom of the heap……..AND, OF COURSE, IT’S ALL OBAMA’S FAULT, RIGHT?? No personal responsibility involved here………Yep—the reality challenged will be full of excuses and name calling…….Never face your own failures when you have a politician handy to blame, right?

  38. aJo,
    Clinton was tested in 1998 with attacks on three of our embassies in East Africa (Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, and Nairobi) – his response was Cruise Missile strikes on terrorist bases in Afghanistan and Sudan in 1998.

    Bush was an unknown and was tested with 9/11 – are still dancing with joy at his ham-fisted, ill conceived, poorly executed over-reaction.

    (9/11 before Bush’s first budget) – What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?)

    Obama’s was tested when Somali pirates seizing US ships – his response – Seal Team Six.

    CT7 – ‘huge number of Americans feel BHO not acting their or the country’s interest”

    I hope this is not off the same website that you cited showing how much better red states are doing in job creation?

    Meantime, Who is better for US Economy.
    Between 1949 and 2005
    Unemployment Rate Republicans 6.0%, Democrats 5.2%
    Change In Unemployment Rate Republicans +0.3%, Democrats -0.4%
    Growth of Multifactor Productivity Republicans 0.9%, Democrats 1.7%
    Corporate Profits (share of GDP) Republicans 8.8%, Democrats 10.2%
    Real Value of Dow Jones Index Republicans 4.3%, Democrats 5.4%
    (in logarithmic growth rate) Republicans 2.8%, Democrats 4.4%
    Real Weekly Earnings- Republicans 0.3%, Democrats 1.0%
    CPI Inflation Rate Republicans 3.8%, Democrats 3.8%
    http://survivalandprosperity.com/2011/04/13/democrats-or-republicans-better-for-economy/

  39. menopaws says:

    xring—Amen……..Our broker says anyone who votes Republican because the market will improve just can’t read…..He quotes the same statistics you do and says that investments and the economy ALWAYS perform better under Democrats…..Historical fact….these guys talk a good game and have great PR—but the numbers do NOT support their claims……..Good job and thank you for being factual……..

  40. menopaws,so you don’t like the “Pillsbury doughboys” that the republicans keep running? Well is it safe to assume that you would prefer something other than white people in positions of power? Seems to me that you are a bigot and a rascist, and a very disturbed woman. Maybe you and your “marine husband” should seek counselling. Oh, don’t forget to take your meds..pathetic human being.

  41. sevanup. I’m flattered that a person of your (ahem) intelligence would follow all of my postings and conclude that I am “flaming liberal” despite all of my tough-guy garbage. It’s nice to know that I have at least one sock-puppet from the left who actually likes me. Heck, who knows I may even get invited to go on “brutha” Al Shopton’s show some day with all of the other wizards on the left!

  42. Most recent NYT’s poll puts Romney over Obama, in spite of the allegations of “felon” and “offshore accounts” and “Bain”. And it’s still only July. To all business people in America; “you didn’t build that!, other people built that!” All that Romney has to do is keep repeating that Leninist phrase and he has it in the bag.

  43. SwordofPerseus says:

    Bull’s Eye xring! However I can see one flaw in your argument. You are clouding this very emotional issue with a bunch of facts. You and I both know the right wing will not let a little thing like fact and knowledge and truth get in the way of their opinions.

  44. xring, It was Clinton who packed up and ran out of Somalia after the ‘blackhawk down incident”. That was a great example of American resolve huh?

  45. SwordofPerseus says:

    It is interesting that U.S. Rep. Adam Smith attacks the prior administration on national security (TNT, 7-17)

    We were secure during the Bush administration, perhaps because of the aggressive response to the terror perpetrated on our soil.”

    How idiotic and ironic can one be?

    The letter writer has no valid point, what is more he seems to be completely devoid of any real idea of what went on in the early years of the previous administration. Inside job or not,(I believe it was perpetrated by factions within the US)9/11 was the worst attack on US ever! And the shrub had been warned and then lied about it. Then attacked Iraq, the wrong country. Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld and Powell should all be sent to the Haig to stand trial for War Crimes.

    I am continually amazed what inane lies that the tribune continues to publish

  46. alindasue says:

    nwcolorist said, “Alindasue, I’d rather be known for American exceptionalism than for the “excuse-me-for-living’ mantra that permeates the Democratic Party.”

    I’d rather be the country that lives its “exceptionalism” by preserving for ALL PEOPLE those rights and protections stated in the Constitution that truly makes the USA the exception than the country that claims “exceptionalsm” as an excuse to “spread freedom” abroad while restricting freedoms and taking away legal protection all in the name of “safety” here at home.

    SwordofPersius said, “I am continually amazed what inane lies that the tribune continues to publish”

    The letters to the editor is part of the OPINION section of the News Tribune. While the opinions of some people are not always based on reality, they are just as entitled to have their opinions printed as the rest of us are.

  47. frosty:xring, It was Clinton who packed up and ran out of Somalia after the ‘blackhawk down incident”. That was a great example of American resolve huh

    Just like Reagan packed up and ran out of Beirut eh?

    As to Sharpton, there’s no difference between the two of you except he can spell. You’re all for government handouts too as long as they go to the “right kind” of people and corporations. Here’s to “Brutha” Frosty, Hyprocrite Extraordinaire.

  48. sevanup, Yeah, I can’t spell “give me your money or I’ll have a demonstration in front of your business” as well as brutha Al Shopton. Here’s to Comrade sevanup, “poawa to da peoples”.

  49. SwordofPerseus says:

    Frosty are you always the pebble in the shoe? Far off subject-what was to be gained in Somalia by staying? Don’t bother trying to answer.

    Obama’s foreign policies are not perfect, and yet somehow he has managed to keep us from militarily invading any more countries. Much better than any Republican in living history…

  50. Al Frosty. Did Reagan pack up and leave Beirut or not? And why are you so afraid of Al Sharpton?

    I find it laughable you would defend your “liberal” acceptance of a party whose elites and high officials wouldn’t have any more to do with you than the liberals you so hyprocritcally decry. They’ll take your money and your vote. Other than their contempt, what did you get for it; nothing. And because we disagree in principal, I have to be a communist? Better that than a sell-out on the principals on which this country was founded. Of course your handlers have you focused on more colorful issues. ‘somebody’s getting something for nothing and you’re paying for it. Really? How pathetic it is you fall for it. How little and mean spirited a person you are.

    BTW, you really show your ignorance with the ebonics. You can’t even do that right.

  51. menopaws says:

    Poor little frosty–surrounded on all sides by people who think you are an idiot………If there were meds to raise that IQ–we would all chip in and buy them for you…As far as all your nasty insults toward me and my MARINE husband—those who can do, those who can’t whine and spit out ugly…….Good luck with that…….Not many people even reading your posts anymore……Same ole ugly, stupid stuff…….You and CT7—the little troll club……

  52. Frosty,
    Do you thing Congress voting to cut funding for the Somali operation had anything to do with Clinton pulling our forces out?

    And another frosty lie bites the dust; may be frothy should change his moniker to dirtdiver, or nightsoileater.

  53. Mitt is the richer, lighter Obama who was the darker, better speaking Bush who was the non-cheating Clinton you could have a beer with.

    They are all basically the same folks.

  54. averageJose says:

    Not really.

  55. sevanup, fortunately when I was in school they didn’t teach ebonics. You obviously were a part of the dumbing-down process that swept the schools during that period. As for Reagan pulling the troops (Marines) out of Lebanon, check your history and find out who controlled congress at the time and who the Chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee was, Dante Fascell, Democrat. They were trying to pull the rug out from under Reagan but he beat them at their own game by withdrawing the marines and using naval guns and air power to continue the fight for several days. Nice try though.

  56. Menopaws, save the pity for someone who really needs it, your husband. I have to give him credit, he has the patience Job to share the same roof with someone as nasty as you. When you talk about “whining and ugly” you’ve painted a perfect picture of what I imagine you look like.

  57. patience “of Job”

  58. xring, speaking of lies, how about telling me more about that ” Combat Service Award” that you claim you received in Vietnam. Strangely enough, I can find any such decoration on the Marine Corps website.

  59. when I was in school they didn’t teach ebonics.

    You really can’t avoid the racially based references, can you?

    Of course – anyone paying attention would know that very few school districts (Oakland & San Bernardino, CA & DeKalb, GA were the only references I found) attempted for a brief period in 1997 to include this in the curriculum – but public uproar caused them to very quickly pull it.

  60. beerboy, I was responding to sevanup’s comment about ebonics. Nice try.

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