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BOY SCOUTS: Shame on BSA’s anti-gay policy

Letter by Joan T. Wekell, Tacoma on July 18, 2012 at 12:10 pm with 30 Comments »
July 18, 2012 12:59 pm

Re: “Boy Scouts say they’ll continue to ban gays” (TNT, 7-19).

What are the troglodytes who run Boy Scouts of America thinking? Are they equating homosexuality with pedophilia? Those are two different subjects.

I have been a den mother twice in my life, and all children were welcome; they developed wonderful skills and had lots of fun together. At least two boys in my dens were gay and have grown up to be fine, outstanding citizens. It would have been a tragedy to have omitted these boys.

I have known at least one lesbian scout leader, and she was a loving and caring person who was energetic and fun to be around.

Homosexuality is not a moral problem, but the BSA’s attitude toward gayness is. I will never give another dime to the organization until it changes its self-righteous attitude.

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  1. Baden-Powell’s personal peccadilloes preclude participation.

  2. igotdabombfool says:

    There is that who thing where they are a private religous organization. That might have something to do with it. Not all “clubs” in the USA need to conform to the whim of homosexuals.

  3. charliebucket says:

    I will not knowingly support an organization that discriminates.

    I am going to pen a letter today to my church council asking that they take a vote regarding asking the boys scout troupe that uses our facility to find another venue.

  4. truthbusterguy says:

    Boy Scouts reaffirms ban on gays. Is it out of step with the times? No, they are in step with their beliefs and values.

    I am happy they held their ground and did not succumb to deliberate bullying by a hand full of powerful people in key positions trying to FORCE feed gay lifestyle acceptance down our throats.

    Maybe they feel a childrens programs should not involve sexual propaganda of any kind? Even perverse, sinful, filthy, sicko sexual propaganda.

    Good for the Boy Scouts of America! Someone must take a stand for what is right, moral, and decent. I am sending them a big check.

  5. charliebucket says:

    Next I am going to ask the county council to consider no longer recognizing, affiliating with or endorsing the Boy Scouts: with honors or having them raise the flag or other honorary things they have done in the past.

    truthbuster you are simply one sick twisted mother. your comments about sexual propaganda are over the top and you are repulsive. we are talking about boys who want to be a boy scout for God sake’s. you’re jut flat repulsive.

  6. truthbuster? These are not high powerful people that are affected by this nonsense. These are kids. Shame on the Boy Scouts for passing on the tradition of intolerance, bigotry and hate. Its not about whether it can be done “legally”, its a matter of if it should. These are innocent kids who should ALL have the chance to be included.

  7. took14theteam says:

    thanks muck i br

  8. igotdabombfool says:

    Yeah Frida…and shame on those kids for joining an organization which openly states their beliefs and then having a problem with it. Seriously, it’s a private “club” that openly teaches kids lots of skills necessary to survive in the world. There isn’t a badge for accepting gay people, because they don’t teach kids about sexuality. They teach kids about moral rights and wrongs and teach them to MAKE THEIR OWN DECISIONS. They are free to leave whenever they like.

    Not every organization in America needs to conform to whatever homosexuals want. It shouldn’t be force fed to all and made to accept. I don’t care if you’re gay, but that doesn’t mean i’m obligated to accept it or stand for it. As is the same for private organizations.

  9. averageJose says:

    If a homo sexual male prefers young boys… he’s a homo sexual pedophile. WTH is so hard to understand about that?

  10. charliebucket says:

    what universe do people live in that they think the reason a gay man would want to be a scout leader is because he wants to have sex with young boys?

    and, if the BSA don’t teach the kids about sexuality, then a child’s or leaders sexuality should never come up…..

    face it, you guys are probably OK with ‘no blacks allowed’ country clubs. But hey, it is a private club, they should not be forced to serve EVERYONE. Any black (gay) that wants to join just better sit down and shut up and stay with his own kind.

  11. normajean says:

    I am sickened by anyone who toots their moral fiber and expects all to bow to “you are either with us or against us” philosophy. Shame on everyone who would exclude gay children where non-gay are accepted. Prejudice is alive & kicking in America & it is so sad that leaders of the Boy Scouts have added to that. Like a divorce its the kids who suffer

  12. igotdabombfool says:

    Yeah…shame on gay people to toot their moral fiber and expect all to bow to them.

    See how the same thing goes both ways.

    Explain to me why the Lesbian, Gay……group doesn’t include heterosexuals. Seems like they are excluding them too.

    Not all things need to change just because somebody threw a hissy fit.

  13. charliebucket says:

    um, just what gay group(s) excludes straight people?

    and, I doubt gay 10 year olds would be tooting their moral fiber etc. what a load of sh**.

    nevermind, the discussion is futile with haters. either one is for hate and discrimination or not.

  14. ThePrincipledPatriot says:

    For all that don’t get the connection between homosexuality and pedophilia? Explain away nambla? Which you all know stands for the North American Man Boy Love Association. All members are card-caring aditted, committed homosexual pedophiles. Their motto is so wicked I’m certain the TNT would not allow me to post it!

    If there is no connection between homosexuality and pedophilia, then explain away what has happened with the BSA? Explain away the homosexual pedophile Catholic priest scandal? Explain away the Penn State scandal? All were adult males sexually violating young boys!

    For all that say the Bible doesn’t speak about homosexuality or marriage, here are a few passages for you to chew on.
    Matthew 19:4-6
    Mark 10:6-9
    Romans 1:24-32
    1 Cor. 6:9-10
    1 Tim. 1:9-11

    For all that argue against the immense health risks of the homosexual lifestyle choice. Just visit the Centers for Disease Control website. Just go to sources such as the Aids Journal, the Archives of Internal Medicine, the American Medical Association, etc., etc..

    What you will find will startle you! The statistics on Aids/Hiv, the number of partners, Hpv, Hepatitis, Gonorrhea, Syphillis, Homosexual Bowel Syndrome, infection rates, anal cancer, violence, mental health, suicide and life span directly linked to homosexual behavior are stunning and alarming.

    All who advocate full acceptance of the self-destructive homosexual lifestyle, choose to ignore and downplay the indisputable evidence concerning the effects associated with the homosexual lifestyle choice!

  15. igotdabombfool says:

    BTW…it’s not gay 10 year old boys that have a problem with the BSA. It’s their parents who think that their boy needs to be in the BSA. It’s their parents that are force feeding gay down everybodies throats.

    Lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender. I don’t see any heterosexual in that do you. It would appear that they exclude straight people.

  16. charliebucket says:

    name a group that meets, a club, something, anything where ‘gays only’ are allowed. further….where there is a national policy denying heterosexuals participation.

    so a gay boy does not get to learn abut citizenship, camping, and all the other things scouts do??

    why the hell not? because homophobic parents can’t bear to have lil’ johnny sit next to a gay kid?

    please…grow the heck up folks. step into the light.

  17. charliebucket says:

    homophobia is not very principled IMO. nor is Bible thumping.

    are you this adamant about drinking, obesity or smoking patriot! look at the statistics! the lives ruined and lost are staggering! no fat kids allowed in the boy scouts!!!

  18. averageJose says:

    what universe do people live in that they think a homo sexual pedophile predator wouldn’t love to be able to prowl the young males involved in BSA?

  19. IPP,

    IMO – any sex between an adult and a child is statuary rape and should be punished to the fullest extent on the law.

    Individuals, groups, or organizations (such as NAMVA) that encourage, support, defend are should be punished as if they had committed the act.

  20. If a homo sexual male prefers young boys… he’s a homo sexual pedophile. WTH is so hard to understand about that?

    Because it is not backed up by the information put forward by anti-pedophile organizations. AGAIN I post (this time without citations because I’m tired of your nonsense). A Pedophile’s sexual preference is CHILDREN. They do not have sexual desires that are identifiable as hetero or homosexaul in nature.

  21. If protection of the children from potential child rape is the BSA’s concern – why did they get rid of a lesbian Cub Scout leader in charge of boys?

  22. averageJose says:

    How the heck should I know why a lesbian was let go? Maybe she passed bad checks, shoplifted, left the seat down. You seem to think you have all the answers… tell me.

    Why is it so difficult for you to grasp the simple concept that a man who prefers underage males or a woman who prefers underage females is a homo sexual pedophile?

    What IS your stake in the game?

  23. averageJose says:

    A quick follow-up from my last post on this subject. Maybe this will help bB…
    ho·mo·sex·u·al: Sexually attracted to people of one’s own sex.
    pe·do·phile: A person who is sexually attracted to children.
    ho·mo·sex·u·al pe·do·phile: A person who is sexually attracted to children of one’s own sex. ;)

  24. took14theteam says:

    You forgot the stick to beat him upside the head so he would learn it.


  25. averageJose says:

    LOL took, you know darn well he’s been back to read it.

  26. averageJose says:

    Ever heard of the NAACP bucket? How about the Miss Black America Beauty Pagent?

  27. averageJose says:

    … congressional black caucus…

  28. Wow…..you really want attention by throwing out racially tinged subjects on top of your homophobic ones.

    Maybe you should get a hobby that includes interaction with people in real space and time.

    took14 – I’m trying real hard to believe that your screen name represents a real boy but you sure seem a lot like Pinocchio before the magical transformation when you act as head cheerleader for Lonely Guy.

  29. Using the fixated-regressed distinction, Groth and Birnbaum (1978) studied 175 adult males who were convicted in Massachusetts of sexual assault against a child. None of the men had an exclusively homosexual adult sexual orientation. 83 (47%) were classified as “fixated;” 70 others (40%) were classified as regressed adult heterosexuals; the remaining 22 (13%) were classified as regressed adult bisexuals. Of the last group, Groth and Birnbaum observed that “in their adult relationships they engaged in sex on occasion with men as well as with women. However, in no case did this attraction to men exceed their preference for women….There were no men who were primarily sexually attracted to other adult males…” (p.180).

    Other researchers have taken different approaches, but have similarly failed to find a connection between homosexuality and child molestation. Dr. Carole Jenny and her colleagues reviewed 352 medical charts, representing all of the sexually abused children seen in the emergency room or child abuse clinic of a Denver children’s hospital during a one-year period (from July 1, 1991 to June 30, 1992). The molester was a gay or lesbian adult in fewer than 1% in which an adult molester could be identified – only 2 of the 269 cases (Jenny et al., 1994).

    In yet another approach to studying adult sexual attraction to children, some Canadian researchers observed how homosexual and heterosexual adult men responded to slides of males and females of various ages (child, pubescent, and mature adult). All of the research subjects were first screened to ensure that they preferred physically mature sexual partners. In some of the slides shown to subjects, the model was clothed; in others, he or she was nude. The slides were accompanied by audio recordings. The recordings paired with the nude models described an imaginary sexual interaction between the model and the subject. The recordings paired with the pictures of clothed models described the model engaging in neutral activities (e.g., swimming). To measure sexual arousal, changes in the subjects’ penis volume were monitored while they watched the slides and listened to the audiotapes. The researchers found that homosexual males responded no more to male children than heterosexual males responded to female children (Freund et al., 1989).


    The image of beating me with a stick might give arouse you but it doesn’t change the reality that your attempt to link homosexuality and pedophilia is not supported by the science.

  30. took14theteam says:

    took14 – I’m trying real hard to believe that your screen name represents a real boy but you sure seem a lot like Pinocchio before the magical transformation when you act as head cheerleader for Lonely Guy.

    Not really sure what you are getting at here.

    To me you are just an arrogant condescending poster here that tends to annoy me (similar to Publico). I just find it amusing and refreshing that someone actually calls you out on your constant/blatant hypocrisy.

    Keep living the dream.

    PS Sometimes I am interested in conversing with you, but then “things” get in the way and we (collectively) are told not to get “off topic”. There are times when I would like to hear more from you, and then, gosh darn it, you have to spoil it.


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