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HEALTH: Only hope is to vote Democrats out

Letter by Ray Orlowski, Lacey on June 28, 2012 at 1:39 pm with 45 Comments »
June 28, 2012 1:39 pm

With the Supreme Court upholding Obamacare as constitutional, you can bet there is more to come. To say I was shocked by the decision is putting it mildly. I wondered why Chief Justice John Roberts had an easy confirmation. The progressives knew he was a liberal in conservative dressing.

This terrible decision will embolden this administration to take control of all aspects of our lives. They already are telling us what to eat, how much we should weigh, what kind of light bulbs to use and what kind of car to drive. The only hope I see is if the voters vote Obama and the Democrats out of office.

If Mitt Romney wins, he will need the majority of both houses of Congress to overturn this decision. If not, be warned that the death panels are in place and if you are anything close to my age you are in deep trouble if you ever need major surgery.

We need to take back this country. God bless America. Hope those last three words don’t offend anyone, this newspaper included. I doubt this will be printed.

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  1. LeePHill says:

    I love seeing the cons turn on Justice Roberts when he doesn’t carry their water. As soon as they call him “activist” we will have completed the circle.

    By the way, Ray, God just DID bless America. You just don’t recognize the blessing.

  2. ARMAGEDDON! Does the Conservative message ever change?

  3. Sore loser.

  4. Ridiculous premises produce a ridiculous letter.
    I’m thinking he’s more like a cry baby.

  5. charliebucket says:

    I am coming out of the TNT blog semi-retirement to say: Sweet Jesus…..I think you’re both ‘wrong’…Ray’s views are a product of Fox news and right wing hate radio propaganda, IMO. wowzerz.

  6. buddyandelliott says:

    I was three lines into the letter and already thinking, “This is an old, likely white guy”. That was confirmed by the letter writer himself and his opinion boils down to a case of “I’ve got mine, everyone else go to hell.”

    He clearly does not believe in any version of the greater good, or promotion of health and welfare for all which allows us to persue our happiness. (No, Ray from Lacey, that doesn’t mean we pay welfare dollars to all, welfare as in health and ability.)

  7. I too was shocked by Roberts demonstrating that he isn’t totally driven by ideology. Perhaps he might turn out to be better than we thought.

  8. taxedenoughintacoma says:

    Our only choice is to elect Romney. Circle the wagons around Mitt and lets get oboma out of our house.

  9. Frankenchrist says:

    Ray, you need to listen to something other than Rush and Glenn Beck.

  10. sandblower says:

    A lot of Obamacare’s policy came from Mitt when he was gov. of MA. I thank him for that rare insight. The rest of him is unfortunate for any human being.

  11. LeePHill says:

    Welcome back, Charlie!

    Hope your health is doing better.

    “taxedenoughintacoma says:
    June 28, 2012 at 4:37 pm Our only choice is to elect Romney. Circle the wagons around Mitt and lets get oboma out of our house”

    No, the other choice is to grow up and realize that Romney isn’t half the leader that Obama is.

    Obama isn’t perfect and never professed to be, but Romney has minimal government leadership and his claim to fame in business is taking advantage of bankruptcy laws and teaching companies to outsource labor to foreign countries.

  12. charliebucket says:

    Thanks Lee, I am having surgery Monday so I will be gone again soon…..but I had to come in today on such a great day….I am not that big a fan of the health care reform act for several reasons, but I am loving the apoplectic fits the SCOTUS decision is sending our conservative ‘friends’ into. How many ways can they spin this huge loss to make it sound like they won today or that it bodes well for them in November?? They are going to have nightmares tonight….that they have to stand up in front of the whole class and write 100 times: “I was wrong, ‘Obamacare’ is constitutional. I was wrong, ‘Obamacare’ is constitutional”.

    LOL, I am smiling from the inside out.

  13. Spike the ball, ladies. Good win. Lets see how this effects life in 2013.

    I love the racist attitude from the left. More garbage. Irony is if you support the youth, the working family, you should hate big govt and this mess BHO got us in.

  14. The shelf life of our entitlement society shrinks with every big spending pol elected by the left.

    You want you kids to get some govt goodies? Vote Romney. There will be no goodies left if the dems retain any power.

  15. took14theteam says:

    “Welcome back, Charlie!”

    Comedy Gold…..

    :::::vomit::::::

    You didn’t welcome back CT7.

  16. Who said “If Chris Christie does not run, Romney will be our nominee, and we will lose.”?

  17. RAY RAY RAY

  18. Ray Ray Ray Your republican hopeful Romney actually implemented is own version of Obamacare in Massachusetts.He is the same person who calls it a job killer. The only reason the Republican are against it is because it make the democrat look good and it took the black man to get it done.
    P.S I’m white

  19. Toocan, only the left cares about color. Save your rant for your ilk.

    Another donation to the Romney PAC. 4x today. Keep motivating my wallet, hippies!

  20. Center/left- does the obvious racism bother you? Look at the posters here. You accept it?

  21. Gloom and doom letters abound

  22. The mandate came from the Heritage Foundation, designed as a massive gift to the Insurance Companies

  23. LeePHill says:

    “I love the racist attitude from the left. More garbage. Irony is if you support the youth, the working family, you should hate big govt and this mess BHO got us in.”

    Where did this blather come from? I’ve scanned the entire thread and can’t find a comment on racism….other than you know who.

    For someone who claims to not be racist, I’m certainly seeing plenty of “Ace of Race” cards being played from that side of the table (analogy in honor of this weekend’s poker game)

  24. LeePHill says:

    “Another donation to the Romney PAC. 4x today. Keep motivating my wallet, hippies!”

    I’m certain that Governor Romney will spend that $12 wisely. When the Stephanie Miller Show crew mentioned that all the conservative political theater – “repeal” and the vote against Holder – was to generate donations, my first instinct was to say…”no, even a con isn’t dumb enough to fall for that”. I guess I was wrong.

  25. Theefrinker says:

    Oh geeze, another one of these “take back our country” people. Who is “we”, and what is being “taken back”? This really has to be one of the dumbest chants such a large group of people has ever spoken. Also, they aren’t FORCING you to eat certain foods, weigh a decent amount, or buy certain light bulbs.

  26. LeePHill says:

    All of the opposition to “Obamacare” (thanks for the name, by the way), is welcome to turn down Medicare when they come of age.

  27. scooter6139 says:

    For all those who despise the Affordable Care Act, what exactly do you not like about it? Be specific with what is wrong and how you would like to amend it to make it better.

  28. Ray, Did you expect Chief Justice John Roberts to be motivated by politics when he made this decision, or by reality? The Right will do anything to get Obama out of office. The Right will do anything to undo this health care legislation. It doesn’t matter to those of you on the Right that “Obamacare” isn’t unconstitutional you wanted Chief Justice John Roberts to say so.

    Party before Country! Pathetic!

  29. pantomancer says:

    Say good bye to Medicare. There are $500,000,000,000 in cuts to Medicare coming down the Pike.

  30. Romney means no government support and NO jobs so elect Romney – kiss the middle and working classes good-bye, and America will become the Late Great United States.

    CT7 – The mess we are in is due to cognitive rigidity and deafness of the right wing who believes Reaganomics is good for American and the American people.

    Scooter – the rpots main dislike of Obamacare is that Obama is for it.

  31. “He clearly does not believe in any version of the greater good…”

    First of all, you can presume nothing of the sort from this letter.
    Second, this is just the kind of nonsense that creates in certain left-leaning folks supreme arrogance.

    There are many avenues to “the greater good.” Do not presume the one you have chosen to be the one and only.

  32. Scooter- the act does nothing to control or lower costs. It grows govt, taxes business and increased the cost of healthcare to those that pay for it themselves. Adds massive regulations during a weak economy. On top of it we are broke. More entitlements will not fix that.

    Hill, see buddy’s post for an example of leftist racism/guilt.

    A right leaning think tank is somehow responsible for this? No. Typical blame.

  33. MrCarleone says:

    Put your foil hat back on, Raymond !

  34. CT7, “A right leaning think tank is somehow responsible for this? No. Typical blame”.

    Only in the mind of a conservative is history rewritten so the Heritage Foundation did not conceive of and direct Republicans to support a mandate for insurance coverage.

    I chose a non-partisan site, one of hundreds of sites that detail the history of health care reform and how the Heritage Foundation introduced the mandate concept:

    http://healthcarereform.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=004182

    “The concept of the individual health insurance mandate is considered to have originated in 1989 at the conservative Heritage Foundation. In 1993, Republicans twice introduced health care bills that contained an individual health insurance mandate. Advocates for those bills included prominent Republicans who today oppose the mandate including Orrin Hatch (R-UT), Charles Grassley (R-IA), Robert Bennett (R-UT), and Christopher Bond (R-MO). In 2007, Democrats and Republicans introduced a bi-partisan bill containing the mandate.”

  35. “I love the racist attitude from the left.”

    The latest trend from racists is to accuse everyone else of racism.

  36. “does the obvious racism bother you?”

    See my previous comment.

  37. “see buddy’s post for an example of leftist racism/guilt”

    See my previous two comments.

  38. ““A right leaning think tank is somehow responsible for this? No.”

    Yes:

    “[N]either the federal government nor any state requires all households to protect themselves from the potentially catastrophic costs of a serious accident or illness. Under the Heritage plan, there would be such a requirement…

    Society does feel a moral obligation to insure that its citizens do not suffer from the unavailability of health care. But on the other hand, each household has the obligation, to the extent it is able, to avoid placing demands on society by protecting itself…

    A mandate on households certainly would force those with adequate means to obtain insurance protection.” http://healthcarereform.procon.org/sourcefiles/1989_assuring_affordable_health_care_for_all_americans.pdf

    I await your apology, but I won’t hold my breath.

  39. Harry_Anslinger says:

    “The concept of the individual health insurance mandate is considered to have originated in 1989 at the conservative Heritage Foundation. In 1993, Republicans twice introduced health care bills that contained an individual health insurance mandate. Advocates for those bills included prominent Republicans who today oppose the mandate including Orrin Hatch (R-UT), Charles Grassley (R-IA), Robert Bennett (R-UT), and Christopher Bond (R-MO). In 2007, Democrats and Republicans introduced a bi-partisan bill containing the mandate.”

    Hmmm…CT7…taxed enough…gonna let facts and proof stand in your way?

  40. Did heritage vote? Were they contracted to write the law? Did the effects of Romneycare on Mass take place yet?

    Is there more to Obamacare then just a huge tax on the young and healthy?

  41. CT7, The Heritage Foundation wrote the model law which Romney then introduced to Massachusetts with some of his own additions, including a penalty tax for anyone who refused to purchase insurance and could afford it.

    The effects have been in force since 2007. Just under 99% now have health insurance, with 100% of children covered. (Contrast that with a typical Southern state, Texas with 16% of people not covered by any health insurance).

    97% of Massachusetts residents approve of the results. That is almost unheard of support for a government policy initiative.

    Here is an article from Forbes, not noted as very liberal in its outlook, including high praise for Romney:

    “I think it has been a huge success,” says Michael Widmer, president of the Massachusetts Taxpayers Foundation, an independent state watchdog that has a reputation as the “keeper of the keys” on the state budget numbers. “Romney should be proud of it”.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2012/01/20/romney-care-massachusetts-healthcare-reform/

    Romney should well be proud of it, especially his insistence on mandatory coverage with a tax penalty for those who choose not to be insured. Oh, I forget, Obama is for it, so he now has to be against it.

    And, yes, tere is more to it than a tax on the young and healthy.

    A study showed the following:

    “We also document improvements in several determinants of overall health, including physical health, mental health, functional limitations, joint disorders, body mass index, and moderate physical activity. The health effects were strongest among women, minorities, near-elderly adults, and those with incomes low enough to qualify for the law’s subsidies.”

    http://papers.nber.org/papers/w17893

    What the Massachusetts law did not do, and which was rejected by Romney and the Heritage Foundation, was any cost controls on insurance company overheads and service costs. (regulation of that sort is not a conservative ideal, to say the least). So insurance costs in Massachusetts have gone up at the same rate as the rest of the nation, and CEO pay went up much higher than the national average.

    The national Affordable Care Act does limit some overhead costs, especially outrageous CEO and senior executive pay and benefits under the government-subsidized portion, so cost control is a part of the national bill, unlike Romneycare.

  42. “Did heritage vote? Were they contracted to write the law? Did the effects of Romneycare on Mass take place yet?

    Nice try at deflection. Think it worked? ROFL

  43. CEO pay is the problem? Only to shareholders.

    Romneycare is expensive to Mass. Obamacare is that multiplied, adding to an already huge debt. State control of a govt program is one thing, national another. Just the cost of added IRS agents is scary.

    Let the states manage and fund their own healthcare concerns. It is within their right, contrary to the garbage just passed by SCOTUS.

    Why not institute the easy stuff first? Open up the state borders and allow competition. Tort reform.

    All we just did was shift the cost around. We did not make healthcare cheaper or better to those that pay for it today, just the opposite.

    20+ years ago our economy an debt picture was different, as were the demographics. Half pay no fed income tax. 1-7 on food stamps. This massive change to a huge part of the economy was not needed today. We need to freeze regulations for 8-10 years. Let us, as a nation, get healthy. Let’s pas reform that makes sense and is simple.

  44. CT7, CEO pay is paid by policy holders and is included as part of premiums. Most states and state compacts have monopolistic systems where a buyer does not have much of a choice of providers.

    open borders: This is an issue where Republicans love to be the mouthpiece for the giant insurance companies. In states that formed compacts that allowed out-of-state insurance companies to compete, in almost every instance a giant reduced rates, gobbled up the smaller companies, became a monopoly (insurance companies are exempt under anti-monopoly laws) and then raised rates.

    From the American Medical Association, Oct 2011:

    “The AMA study looked at commercial health insurance market shares and federal concentration measures for 368 metropolitan markets and 48 states and found the following:

    *A significant absence of health insurer competition exists in 83 percent of metropolitan markets studied by the AMA.”

  45. 20+ years ago ‘American Busniss’ did not ship factories and jobs overseas, nor would the Republicans of that era supported such efforts.

    One example, when the Barretta Pistol was accepted to replace the Colt Auto, one of the Republican objections was the the Pistol was NOT American Made.

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