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POLITICS: Obama stuck in left-wing ideology

Letter by Craig Chilton, Bonney Lake on June 14, 2012 at 1:56 pm with 123 Comments »
June 14, 2012 1:56 pm

It wasn’t surprising that Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker won his recall election. Using Republican reforms, he balanced the budget (state requirement) without layoffs, cut or slowed spending, turned a $3.6 billion deficit into a surplus, reformed union benefits and pensions, reduced unemployment from 7.7 to 6.7 percent, and did not raise taxes or cut critical services.

Many Republican governors, like Indiana’s Mitch Daniels and Virginia’s Bob McDonnell, are having similiar success with Republican reforms.

President Obama? After the almost $800 billion stimulus didn’t hold down unemployment, did he sit down with the Republicans and compromise on a new jobs bill using some of their reforms or did he just continue with more of the same?

Obama and the Democrats’ 2010 jobs plan was more of the same. Why didn’t it succeed? It was scuttled by Kent Conrad, Democratic chairman of the Senate Budget Committee, not the Republicans. There was no money to pay for the $80 billion plan.

From 2011-2012, Obama’s job plans were again non-starters. He absolutely refused to compromise on raising taxes and spending billions. Last week he said we needed to help government workers. What? Since January 2008, when the national employment peaked, private sector jobs are down significantly more than local, state and federal government jobs according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Does Obama understand the employment picture?

Obama is stuck in his left-wing ideology and his ridiculous “fairness” argument. They aren’t working now and won’t work in the future.

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  1. Yeah, the ring-wing doctrine certainly is not fairness, it’s greed. The republicans have had only one goal the last three years, and that is to make Obama look bad not matter what effect is had on Americans. Multimillion dollar Las Vegas casino goons and Trump the Birther throw their weight behind Mitt – that says it all…..

  2. the3rdpigshouse says:

    An anti-American marxist like “OH-Bummer” will never move off his fundamental leftist agenda regardless of its impact to our nation! Wake up citizens and get this marxist out of office!!

  3. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Please, like BHO’s lottery system is any better. You forgot the other boogieman, the Koch bros, while forgetting Soros or Hollywood backing BHO. Limo lib entertainers vs serious business with thousands of employees. Who cares more about the economy?

  4. The real anti-Americans are the Republcons who are turning the Country into a third would nation of the haves and the have-nothings, where laws exist only to keep the poor in their place.

  5. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Making the poor dependent on govt is what keeps them down.

  6. CT7 – thousands of employees – the majority of who do not live or spend their wages in this country.

    The Repoublicons care nothing about the economy, the country, or americans as long as their corproate masters continue to reap record profits.

  7. Send US jobs overseas is what makes the poor dependent on the government, and it is the lack of jobs that keeps them dependent.

  8. charliebucket says:

    another letter from someone who obviously watches FOX news and listens to hate talk radio.

    yawn.

  9. KnowsTheTruth says:

    A right wing ideologue calling someone a left wing ideologue and a right wing ideologue defending him

    How novel.

  10. menopaws says:

    His ridiculous fairness????????wow!!!! The fact that this writer finds fairness ridiculous says it all!!!!!! So glad he wrote that down—fairness is NOT a doctrine that Republicans embrace and he just proved that with his marginally pretentious letter. So, keep tooting that horn—most Americans believe that being fair and just is pretty important in our society…….

  11. KnowsTheTruth says:

    LMNOP#69

  12. The world according to Fox…

  13. ContradictoryAroma says:

    It is really simple.

    Making people unemployed by offshoring jobs is making them dependent on government because business doesn’t care about poor people so they are dependent on government and business doesn’t have to deal with them so it is perfect for business who gets tax credits for not hiring people to keep them dependent on government so that business can complain about people being dependent on government and gas prices are Ohbummer’s fault except for now that the prices are going down.

  14. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Now that is a world class run-on sentence.

    Leftists- “fairness” is lib speak for govt intervention ensuring equal outcome for unequal work. Let’s face it, the free market is fair. When elected pols pick winners, fairness goes out the window. When a man works 50+ hours a week an watches his taxes pay someone to sit on the couch, life is not fair.

  15. Leftists/Liberals/Progressives/”Them” = ‘the enemy”!!!!!!

    Conservatives/Republicans/Teaparty/”Them” = “the enemy”!!!!!

    :::::::::sigh::::::::

  16. concernedtacoma7 says:

    I thought BHO was going to end the divide?

  17. Gov. Walker did pass a balanced budget. It is requiring some adjustment to keep it balanced.

    To say he didn’t cut critical services? That is a subjective measure.

    As with all macroeconomic questions, however, it will take a few years of seeing how well it worked, and what the final effect is on the citizens of Wisconsin.

  18. the sound of one hand clapping

  19. Wow, too many GLC#2’s to count.

    Isn’t it funny when a letter-writer articulates so many facts… all the lefties can do is cry FOX, FOX, oh my God it’s FOX – as if they were actually capable of an original, true thought.

    If your only response to points made in opposition is “OOOH you get all your info from FOX”, you’ve just lost the argument, ended the discussion, and shown yourself to be everything you lamely attempt to paint your opponent.

  20. averageJoseph says:

    Love all the new monikers. Even krummmm had a redux. Kooky.

  21. truthbusterguy says:

    What President Obama has been pushing for, and moving toward, is more insidious: government control of the economy, while leaving ownership in private hands. That way, politicians get to call the shots, but, when their bright ideas lead to disaster, they can always blame those who own businesses in the private sector.

    Politically, it is heads-I-win when things go right, and tails-you-lose when things go wrong. This is far preferable, from Obama’s point of view, since it gives him a variety of scapegoats for all his failed policies, so that he no longer has to use President Bush as a scapegoat all the time.

    Bottom line message to obama, “YOUR FIRED”

  22. averageJoseph says:

    Comedy Gold

  23. “your fired”

    CSGE#1

  24. bobcat1a says:

    Conservative business plan:
    Socialize risk; privatize reward.

  25. A new topic of Conservative truth and how it is working along with the same old tired left wing arguments. Haven’t we all had this same conversation before? Come up with something new. The left is stale and old. To convinced of it’s own greatness to see otherwise.

  26. CT7,

    Fairness means equality of opportunity. We leave in to your side to add the lie that fairness means equality of outcome.

    The problem with free markets is none have existed in this country for many decades.

    The new right wing plan is to take the countries back to the 1880’s.

  27. PS: many on the left think Obama has gone to far to the right, while the right thinks he has not gone far enough.

  28. concernedtacoma7 says:

    X- no one on the right thinks he has gone anywhere near the center, never mind right.

  29. SwordofPerseus says:

    Craig, everything you wrote is pure nonsense. I would say other words but this is a public forum…Republicon policies are what doom the U.S. to retarded economic growth, financial stagnation and generally ruin the middle class . Here is some of the trillions of bits of data on the subject, some of you right wing “thinkers” (and I use the term thinker very loosely) should reflect on the truth…

    Bloomberg News,22 February 2012, “Stocks Return More With Democrat in White House” and Bob Drummond reported that, from 1960-2012 (till February 21st), $1,000 invested in the S&P throughout all of the 28 years of Republican Presidencies would now be $2,087, but in all 23 years of Democratic Presidencies would now be $10,920 – a 992% gain, vs. the mere 109% gain under Republican Presidents – and this despite the fact that there were actually five more years for the money to grow during Republican Presidencies. “The Democratic edge is so large that the party comes out ahead even without counting Bill Clinton (the Democrat with the biggest S&P gain) and George W. Bush (the Republican with the worst market record).” The Democratic advantage was enormous: “It’s not even close.”

    So you decide if you want to be more successful financially, re-elect Obama, or if you just like to throw your money away and doom your children to live worse off next year than they are today, vote for Mitt Willard ROb_your_MoNEY.

  30. Romney’s “plan” is to more fully embrace the Bush policies that led us to this mess in the first place.

  31. SwoP, a lotta’ words to come to the wrong conclusion. The truth is it doesn’t matter to John Q which party is in power or how hot the stock market is. What matters is that pesky three letter word; J-O-B-S.

    Oh, and since the article you cite was written (at a time when the stock market had regained all losses from 2008), the market has lost all gains from 2012.

    So you decide if you want to be more successful financially, re-elect Obama…

    LOL, you must be a public sector worker. Median net worth in the USA is down 40% since Obama was elected – we’re back to 1991 levels even with your hot stock market. How’s that workin’?

  32. Mr. Chilton, I was just through the City of Bonney Lake. Before you take on the U.S., why don’t you clean up your own mess? That place is a disaster of traffic, slurbs, fast food junk, low end retailers, political infighting. Spend your time making Bonney Lake the city it could be instead of the poster boy for junk town.

  33. blakeshouse says:

    Certainly shows who spent many blissfull days in the indoctrination camps that pretend to be schools in this gulag

  34. Jobs are what happen when the middle class wants to buy products and services. As long as business is making profits without selling, they will not add jobs.

  35. It usta be that consumer’s purchases provided jobs for Americans. Now those same purchases provide jobs for Chinese. And that money flows out of our country. That double whammy is the root of our economic woes.

    Fix that and you’ve solved our biggest problem.

    Case closed.

  36. Good letter Craig but now I realize again why I hardly read the comments from the far left here. Anyone that has a brain enough to realize the big “O” is a joke is a joke themselves and only fooling themselves. Fire him in November or for those that still believe in his “hope and change”, I just feel sad for them. I will never understand their thinking, although it is beyond me that they continue to believe in the worst president in history! God help us all!

  37. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Bb- where has Romney invoked Bush? Come on. Admit you are trying to assist the DNC effort to make this about Bush, even though there is no truth to it.

    CURRENT tax rates vs Ryan plan. Ironically all I see is dems passing the Bush tax rates of late.

    House passed a budget a calling for a flat tax. Let’s get rid of deductions and ensure everyone pays something.

  38. WOW! Such in depth, intellectual, political analysis.

    I’m so glad that people don’t post comments that are like a middle school class president race, full of childish insults that have no truth to them

  39. Hey everyone, it is yet another screed from Chilton. We know where he stands and we know how he chooses to frame his nonsense. We also know who his supporters will be and nothing changes.
    As boring as the Mariniers are, watching them is more interesting and a lot more honest.

  40. sumyungboi says:

    theslag: “Yeah, the ring-wing doctrine certainly is not fairness, it’s greed. The republicans have had only one goal the last three years, and that is to make Obama look bad not matter what effect is had on Americans. Multimillion dollar Las Vegas casino goons and Trump the Birther throw their weight behind Mitt – that says it all…..”

    The very first comment I read, and it’s a doozy. Not one single salient point, not once are the points in the letter addressed, nothing more than leftist drivel coming from someone who obviously (to me) spends way too much time as a willing puppet.

    And fair? Please.. Half of the people don’t even pay income tax. Yeah.. I really think the 49% ought to man up.

  41. LOL!!
    Leave it to a far rightist like craig here to twist reality 180 degrees……..hey is that you ct7??

    Seriously, craig you have it totally backwards. The right is the cause for all our problems, not the ‘left’. They have ruined the country, not the ‘left’.
    Every single right wing conservative ‘plan’ or idea has failed and failed on a epic scale.
    They only way to save the country is to turn away from the conservatives and to bring rational, common sense to the Govt. not the right wing extremism we have been living with for the last 30 years.

  42. “Making the poor dependent on govt is what keeps them down.”

    180 degrees…

  43. confusedtacoman4ever says:

    Talking about fairness, if Obama would quit using old Republican ideas like insurance mandates, he would quit making Republicans look ridiculous and we wouldn’t have to resort attacking him for being a Muslim and being born in Kenya.

  44. “since the article you cite was written (at a time when the stock market had regained all losses from 2008), the market has lost all gains from 2012.

    Dow Jones January 21, 2009: 8,122.80
    Dow Jones June 15, 2012: 12,735.27

  45. “Median net worth in the USA is down 40% since Obama was elected”

    We’re recovering from the worst economic downturn since the great depression. Do you think that just might have something to do with it? And of course, the study you cited conveniently didn’t go past 2010, the depth of the recession, before the recovery.

  46. ““fairness” is lib speak for govt intervention ensuring equal outcome for unequal work”

    “Lib speak” is wrong-wing speak for “I’m just making this up”.

  47. Ah! The myth of the supposed Democratic supermajority.

    From 7 July 09 to 25 Aug 09 there were 58 Dems and 2 Indes that caucused with them.

    However, one of the 58 was Ted Kennedy who was notable for his absences, several more blue dogs, and one indes was Lieberman.
    Then from 25 Sept 09 to 4 Feb 10, there were again 58 dems and 2 indes. While Kennedy had died on 25 Aug 09, there were still the blue dogs and Lieberman to contend with.

    Simply put, Reid had the bodies but not the votes.

    Thus ends the myth of the supposed Democratic supermajority.

    CT7 – ‘no one on right thinks . . .’ Exactly what I expect that of the blind and ignorant neocon base.

  48. BlaineCGarver says:

    Let’s see….am I better off than four years ago? Oh, hell no! You’re fired, Obozo.

  49. “You’re fired, Obozo.”

    Ahhh. Taking the high road once again.

  50. Thank you Blaine, your posts always make sense plus I agree with your sense of humor – Obozo, lmol

  51. ehill, I hear it’s cherry-picking season in Eastern WA.

    The Dow Jones Industrial Average closed at12397 on 1/3/12 (first day of trading)
    The Dow Jones Industrial Average closed at 12939 on 2/22/12 (day article was written)
    The Dow Jones Industrial Average closed at 12128 on 6/5/12 (okay, I can pick cherries too)

    What part of “the market has lost all gains from 2012″ don’t you get? Did anyone mention 2008? Oh yeah, that would be you.

    Look, if you want to change the subject, change the subject. It wouldn’t be your first head-scratcher. But it doesn’t hide the fact that your replay has absolutely “0” to do with the discussion, as usual.

  52. LeePHill says:

    Do conservatives know what “cherry picking” means? ehill cited the first day of Obama’s administration and today’s date, demonstrating the growth on of the stock market for the entire term of the presidency.

    Bottom line is that the market has grown over 57% since Obama took office. No “ifs”, “ands” or “butts” about it. (pun intended)

    Maybe there is something to the story that FOX viewers are less intelligent.

    “Your fired”

  53. ox,

    Jan 20, 2009 – the day Obama was elected – DowJones closed at 7,920.66.

    Today, DowJones is at 12,767.17.

    Had you taken the timne to read any of the articles about the recent drop you would have learned that the declines were in response to the instablity in the Euro Zone, espically in Greece.

    I here cherry picking pays well.

  54. concernedtacoma7 says:

    What is more important to the middle class- home prices or the stock market?

  55. The home is the single largest component of middle and working class wealth.

    Home priciest – which thanks to the Bankers and their Wall Street buddies have dropped 40% in just 3 years.

  56. ct7 still 180 degrees from reality!
    Amazing!

  57. LeePHill says:

    Who is so dumb that they don’t comprehend that the success of the stock market has a direct affect on financing homes? Is there really someone that is that ignorant? Only someone that has never owned a home could be ignorant enough to understand that home values are attached to lending.

  58. 180 degrees and an attention whore to boot!

  59. menopaws says:

    Ridiculous fairness—–someone send this idiot a copy of the Bill of Rights ………..What will finally put the last nail in the conservative coffin is this kind of sheer, enormous, stupidity……..that and being sooo damn mean that even some Republicans are abandoning this ship…….Read the bill of rights and kiss the ground that your IQ wasn’t tested to give you those rights…….

  60. concernedtacoma7 says:

    The actual bill of rights or the progressive’s take on it? Read any of the founding documents and you will see the steps they took to prevent centralized power.

    Are you people for real?

  61. LeePHill says:

    Someone got shamed out of the other thread.

  62. conjuntiondisfunction says:

    the stock market is nothing unless a Republican is in office then it is the measure of all life

    gasoline prices are the measuring tool of Democratic presidents

  63. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Nope

  64. Do liberals know how to read? Or is ignorance just a convenient excuse to deflect (irrespective of how accurate the noun in this sentence actually is)?

  65. Do conservatives know how to read? Or is ignorance just a convenient excuse to deflect (irrespective of how accurate the noun in this sentence actually is)?

  66. “What part of “the market has lost all gains from 2012″ don’t you get?”

    What part of the market is up more than 50% since Obama was inaugurated” do you not get? Since you failed to get the point, I’ll try to use smaller words when addressing you in the future.

  67. cadana1961 says:

    oxb0 … You are simply an idiot …

  68. Cherries are ripe.

    Okay, we’ll throw the point out since it’s already over your collective liberal heads (or, more accurately, deflecting is a tried-and-true method of burying one).

    How’s that Obama job market? Mean net worth? Interest-bearing accounts? National Debt? Value of the Dollar? Grocery bill?

    Ohhh but the stocckkk market’s up.

    The guy’s an economic genius too, LOL!

    Let’s see… if I actually have a job right now, and assuming inflation from food and gas prices doesn’t eat all of my discretionary income, do I put my money in savings? My home? Government bonds? Maybe I should buy precious metals at current ridiculously high prices.

    Let’s see… where else can I put my stipend?

  69. Coming from a true genius like 8:30 AM…

  70. “we’ll throw the point out”

    When you know you’ve been beaten like a rug, declare victory and hope nobody notices.

    “How’s that Obama job market?”

    Unemployment is down 20% from its high, and is recovering faster from this recession than it did from the last one, even though this recession was both much longer and 12 times as severe as the last one. Almost 4 million Americans are working now who weren’t working two years ago.

    Were those words small enough for you to understand?

  71. menopaws says:

    Ct7—all men are created equal………Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, inalienable rights………..Too hard to grasp??? That “ridiculous” fairness is covered in our Constitution and our Bill of Rights—-This writer calling fairness ridiculous and the rest of you running with that argument just points out that reading and learning are not a part of ANY conservative agenda. Unless Fox or Rush spins it—you can’t argue based on knowledge………….When we decide fairness isn’t justified–we cease to be a Democracy………That is a FACT.

  72. If Obama walked on water, the cons would complain that he couldn’t swim.

  73. averageJoseph says:

    Are you blaspheming the one claiming he can’t? Kooky.

  74. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Fact, you need a new keyboard. Fact, life is not fair. People get sick, some are just stupid. Some are born into wealth, others to crackheads.

    Your version of fair leads to inefficiency. You hope that when things are free people still work to fund said freebies. Housing, food, higher Ed, cell phones, transportation. These are all subsidized by a shrinking number of working population. A smaller % of population is working (and paying taxes) then ever before.

    You win libs, we have reached a tipping point.

  75. Unemployment is down 20% from its high, and is recovering faster from this recession than it did from the last one…

    Okay, that may be the single most uninformed statement I’ve read here.

    http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2012/02/16/cbo-longest-period-of-high-unemployment-since-great-depression

    http://www.usnews.com/opinion/mzuckerman/articles/2011/06/20/why-the-jobs-situation-is-worse-than-it-looks

    Good Lord you are a tool.

  76. If we change socks we might have a slightly different look but, until we change fabric our feet will still stink.

    Obama, like Romney, – like W, like Clinton, like Bush Sr., like Reagan – is stuck in neo-liberal, one world, banker/corporate run trade theology.

    No difference. No change.

  77. “Unemployment is down 20% from its high”
    http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000?data_tool=XGtable

    Facts. They trump moronic wrong-wing ravings. Every time.

    Now, let’s continue with your education, and compare this recession with the last one. The last recession lasted 8 months (March – November 01), less than half as long as this one (eighteen months: December 07 – June 09).

    The GDP dropped 0.3%, one-twelfth as much as this one.

    Unemployment rose from 4.3% to 5.5%, half as much as this one. But, like the Reagan recession before it, it kept on rising after the recession officially ended, peaking at 6.3% in June 03. It didn’t drop back down close to where it started until December 06, more than five years after the recession officially ended. So, if this recovery continues at exactly the same pace as the last recovery, we won’t see “normal” unemployment again until July of 2014.

    But of course that ignores the fact that this recession is much more severe than the last one. If you think of that one as skinning your knee, then this one is knee-replacement surgery. And it took five years for Bush and the Republican-led Congress to recover from that knee-skinning. Now, the GOP is desperately trying to stop the recovery, so they can campaign on that. Because otherwise, they’ve got nothing.

  78. Unemployment has dropped from its peak of 10% to 8.2% in 29 months. That’s a decline of almost 1.8%.

    Previous recession, 29 months after peak unemployment, it had dropped to 4.9%, a drop of 1.4%.

    http://data.bls.gov/pdq/SurveyOutputServlet

    Fact: the unemployment rate has dropped further and faster in this recovery than in the last one.

  79. LIfe4Sale10Cents says:

    ehill, they have to first understand mathematics

  80. concernedtacoma7 says:

    So now the economy is great? His recovery is working? Who knew.

    Enough already, it has been shown time and again this recovery is terrible, slowest and weakest since WWII. Find a new talking point. $5bil spent and nothing to show for it.

    Vote Romney!!

  81. SwordofPerseus says:

    Explaining the economy and how the money system works to the cons on this thread is like trying to explain the rings of Saturn to an ant. They will never comprehend that the game has been rigged in favor of the elite one percent, and they will never be a part of that one percent. The one percent is done with the US in terms of growing the economy. They don’t need it anymore. The Banks control everything, the media, money, military and the mouthpieces in D.C. If occupy fizzles as it’s being killed there will be no more US. The so called democracy is a sham now bought by the highest bidders facilitated by the citizens united and the (anti)Patriot Act. Good night and good luck…

  82. SwordofPerseus says:

    Guess my vote will cancel out CT7’s. +1 + -1 = 0

  83. “it has been shown time and again this recovery is terrible, slowest and weakest since WWII.”

    That’s very true – for the simple-minded folk who ignore the fact that this recession was the worst one since the great depression. Here’s a clue for you, since you’re so obviously without one: it takes longer to recover from knee surgery than from scraping one’s knee.

  84. “So now the economy is great? His recovery is working?

    Nope, the economy isn’t great, but the recovery is real. Find a new talking point.

  85. I absolutely accept your premise ct7, that Obama’s attempts to improve the economy have been stilted at best. Please explain exactly how Romney’s approach will be better….and when you are done with that, explain how Romney’s approach will be any different than what W did.

  86. Oh… so now you’re okay with using percentages. Why, because it makes you statement somehow less illusory?

    What part about “longest period of high unemployment since the great depression” do you not understand? Do you and your apple-polishers here really believe that the campaigner-in-cheif would’t take 6.3% unemployment over 8%+ as far as the eye can see?

    But, like the Reagan recession before it, it kept on rising after the recession officially ended.

    And guess what, genius, it did this time too. That’s because as anyone with cranial capacity larger than a chick pea could tell you, unemployment rates always go up when a recession ends as workers enter and re-enter the work force.

    Nice try.

    But of course that ignores the fact that this recession is much more severe than the last one. Blahh, blahh, blahh, balhh…

    Oh.. so now were’re leaving comparison by percentage mode, LOL. Then before we do, you should be truthful (for once) and acknowledge that unemployment was at 10.8, nationally, in November/ December 1982 (peak) and had fallen to 7.2% by November of 1984. So tell me, math genius, how much farther has you hero been able to reduce UE? (Go ahead, use percentages – heck use your 20% figure, LOL.)

    Yeah, let’s talk percentages in comparison unemployment rates. I’m sure that will make those amongst the highest percentage of real unemployed since the Reagan-era recession (which, by the way had much higher real unemployment and much higher interest rates) feel just great. Then we’ll argue which recession was worse and why.

    … the economy isn’t great, but the recovery is real.

    By what possible horses a** measure? The percentage of UE rate fall? From ridiculous to merely grossly unacceptable?

    Yeah that works.

    For tools.

  87. But hey, while we’re on that whole percentage thing, ready to talk about spending under Obama?

    Spending as a percentage of GDP, that is.

    Kryptonite to liberal tools, I guess.

  88. averageJoseph says:

    Recession “ended” June 2009… ;)

  89. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Bb- W grew govt, expanded entitlements, and did not overhaul the tax code.

    Romney wants a flatter, simpler tax code, end Obamacare, less business killing regulation, reasonable energy policy.

    Bush believed in Keynesian economics. At this point we (everyone but BHO) know we cannot afford more failed stimulus.

    Need more?

  90. At this point we (everyone but BHO) know we cannot afford more failed stimulus.

    See Paul Krugman’s take on this. His isn’t the only voice in the wilderness – just the most well known.

  91. ct7 – you are rather naive to trust ANY candidate’s pandering to the base to win the nomination – especially when his campaign manager noted that it is a Etch-A-Sketch.

  92. Watching the libs continue to defend Obama is amusing. This November is going to be catastrophic for the clueless.

  93. LeePHill says:

    Didn’t we hear that in 2008? They had Palin all but inaugurated

  94. LeePHill says:

    “we have reached a tipping point”

    Didn’t a pompous queen refer to herself as “we”?

  95. SwordofPerseus says:

    Watching the the cons try to roast Obama and think their Clown for Prez candidate has anything of substance to offer they are just wrong. Not even funny anymore how so many can be so passionate about being so wrong!

    “Don’t ask the CBO or the Joint Tax Committee to evaluate Romney’s plan, because they refused to even try. It’s too fuzzy. But the Tax Policy Center, a respected non-partisan think tank, has scored Romney’s tax plan, at least the parts that weren’t completely opaque….Romney’s plan would reduce federal revenue by nearly half a billion dollars in 2015 below what it would be if current policy continued. That would put revenue at about 15% of GDP, compared with spending of around 20%. The deficit would be about 5% of GDP, compared with 3.1% under Obama’s budget.”

    -http://www.marketwatch.com/story/romneys-budget-plan-doesnt-add-up-2012-06-18

  96. SwordofPerseus says:

    If you think the economy is in the tank now, just elect a rethuglicon back to the White House and see how far down the bottom really is.

  97. under Obama’s budget.

    What budget?

    And nice hack job on the piece too. No wonder you didn’t provide a functional link.

    Let’s see… the author of that opinion was… oh yeah, Rex Nutter – the genius who made obama the stingiest president of all time by conveniently leaving out his first year of spending.

    Yup, we believe him, LOL.

  98. The morale of this society is as low as I’ve ever seen it. The president’s promise to reduce the polarization we are experiencing was an empty one. His policies are weak and ineffectual; his animosity towards those who take different positions than he does is palpable. He is not a leader. Even those who support him do not view him as presidential. He’s a street politician from the south side. I wish him no ill, but I wish he and Michelle and the girls would just go back to Chicago.

  99. “What part about “longest period of high unemployment since the great depression” do you not understand?”

    What part of the worst economic downturn since the great depression do you not understand?

    “unemployment rates always go up when a recession ends as workers enter and re-enter the work force.”

    Exactly. This recovery is no different, except for the fact that the recession was much more severe than any since the great depression. Thanks for making my point for me, chickpea.

    “unemployment was at 10.8, nationally, in November/ December 1982 (peak) and had fallen to 7.2% by November of 1984.”

    Two years and four months after the official end of a much milder recession. You’re comparing the recovery times for skinning your knee with the recovery time for knee replacement surgery.

    “the Reagan-era recession (which, by the way had much higher real unemployment”

    Unemployment STARTED at more than 7%, brainiac. So it went up by about 50%, whereas unemployment in this recession doubled. As I said, this recession was much more severe.

    The recovery is real. Unemployment is down about 20%. The stock market is up about double. The GDP is up for eleven consecutive quarters.

    Facts. They trump wrong-wing myths every time.

  100. “ready to talk about spending under Obama?

    Sure.

    Average increase in federal spending for the Bush administration: 8.64%
    Average increase in federal spending for the Obama administration: 5.2%

    Facts. They trump wrong-wing myths. Every time.

  101. That’s average annual increase in spending. And because there are disputes about who’s responsible for FY2009, I assigned it to both Presidents.

  102. “The president’s promise to reduce the polarization we are experiencing was an empty one.”

    Bush: “I’m a uniter, not a divider.”

  103. Hill- even the leftist pols gave up on the spending rhetoric.

  104. Another new nick, eh?

  105. Well, someone felt the truth had to be surpressed. Guessing they share a last name with you.

  106. Average increase in federal spending for the Bush administration: 8.64%
    Average increase in federal spending for the Obama administration: 5.2%

    Cherries are ripe.

    As usual, a weasel answer. The question was spending as a percentage of GDP.

    “Now, let’s continue with your education”:

    http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2012/06/01/president-obama-has-outspent-last-five-presidents

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2012/06/14/president-obama-the-biggest-government-spender-in-world-history/2/

  107. What part of the worst economic downturn since the great depression do you not understand

    Excuse me… did I miss something? Were/ are we in a depression? Because if this was just another recession, you should know that, historically speaking, the deeper the recession, the sharper the bounce-back. Pancakes have bounced sharper than this… uh-hum… recovery.

    This recovery is no different, except for the fact that the recession was much more severe than any since the great depression. Thanks for making my point…

    Again with the disingenuous crap. No, that’s not even close to what you said. Pretty sad when you try lying about a comment made in the same thread. Here, let’s have some fun with “twisting in the wind”:

    Unemployment rose from 4.3% to 5.5%, half as much as this one. But, like the Reagan recession before it, it kept on rising after the recession officially ended, peaking at 6.3% in June 03…

    Make that a petite pea. Your (false) point was clearly that UE rates after the official end of recession only climbed under the Reagan (80’s) and George W Bush recessions, not obama. That would be incredibly uninformed.

    But the laughable attempt to claim the fact that the same occurred under obama was, in fact, your point would be a flat-out lie.

    Remedial research assignment: Learn definition of “lagging indicators”, then pop off.

    First: whereas unemployment in this recession doubled.,
    Then: Unemployment is down about 20%.

    LMAO, it’s absolutely comical how you justify moving between real numbers and percentages, while passing yourself off as an economics genius.

    The recovery is real.

    So is Santa Clause. But most grown-ups don’t believe that either.

    Facts are illusory comments in petite pea-sized craniums.

  108. “As usual, a weasel answer. The question was spending as a percentage of GDP.”

    As usual a weasel question. The GDP dropped a lot during the recession.

  109. “historically speaking, the deeper the recession, the sharper the bounce-back.”

    I’m not buying that until you prove it. Got facts? C’mon, brainiac, let’s see that formidable intellect.

    “Your (false) point was clearly that UE rates after the official end of recession only climbed under the Reagan (80′s) and George W Bush recessions”

    I didn’t say that. Clearly, unemployment climbed after the end of this recession, as it did during the previous two. Try again.

    “Remedial research assignment: Learn definition of “lagging indicators”, then pop off.”

    Unemployment always lags during a recovery. Always. Just as it is now. Once again, you’re proving my point. Thanks, chickpea.

  110. The GDP dropped a lot during the recession.

    Now you’re getting edumucaterd. So, Mr. perspicacious, now tell us what happens when, coupled with a low GDP, spending reaches heretofore unequaled prodigious amounts, like say…

    2009: $3.27 trillion

    2010: $3.46 trillion

    2011: $3.60 trillion

    2012: $3.65 trillion

    Results =

    – 25.2% of GDP in 2009

    – 24.1% of GDP in 2010

    – 24.1% of GDP in 2011

    – 24.3% (estimates by the White House ) in 2012

    (We won’t include the CBO’s 2013 estimate of $3.72 trillion.)

    Just for you, in simple terms; the highest spending both in terms of actual numbers, ever, and the highest spending as a percentage of GDP since WWII.

    And please, don’t give us any more lame a$$ excuses about the recession. All the more reason for to call his spending insane. This is a glaring example of recklessly spending obscene amounts of money we ain’t got, when we can least afford to do so – as evidenced by the weak GDP! Get it?

    Any questions?

  111. I’m not buying that until you prove it. Got facts?

    (Why do I bother.)

    Today, President Obama said, “It has typically taken countries up to ten years to recover from financial crises of this magnitude.” In truth, however, the historical norm has been as follows: the deeper the recession, the stronger the recovery.

    http://www.npr.org/2012/06/15/155083345/weekly-standard-obamas-false-history

    Some might argue that the anemic post-recession growth rate under Obama has resulted from his having inherited a worse recession than most. There’s little doubt that he inherited a particularly long (18-month) and significant recession. But the historical record suggests that, pre-Obama, the general rule was: the worse the recession (or depression), the better the recovery.

    In other words, one would have expected such a severe downturn to be followed by a particularly strong stretch of economic growth. That, of course, hasn’t happened.

    But it has historically. If we look only at the six postwar recessions that lasted at least half as long (that is, at least nine months) as the recession Obama inherited, we find the following:

    Average real quarterly GDP growth in the two years coming out of those recessions was 6.2%. The 2.4% figure under Obama has been a mere 39% of that — which, come to think of it, roughly matches Obama’s current approval rating.

    And strikingly, among those six prior long recessions in the postwar era, even the lowest rate of GDP growth in the two years to follow was 4.7%. That’s almost double the tally under Obama.

    http://news.investors.com/article/583866/201109061718/obamas-recovery-a-flop-of-historical-proportions.htm?p=full

    Clearly, unemployment climbed after the end of this recession…

    No, you didn’t say that – liar.

    Unemployment always lags during a recovery. Always. Just as it is now…

    Even you can learn something every day.

    You wish you had known that.

    Now go learn the difference between wishful thinking and critical thinking, Twinklebelle.

  112. Facts. They trump wrong-wing myths. Every time.
    The recovery is real.

    Everyone… follow the bouncing ball

    When you wish upon a star
    Makes no difference who you are
    Anything your heart desires
    Will come to you

    If your heart is in your dream
    No request is too extreme
    When you wish upon a star
    As dreamers do

    Fate is kind
    She brings to those who love
    The sweet fulfillment of
    Their secret longing

    Like a bolt out of the blue
    Fate steps in and sees you through
    When you wish upon a star
    Your dreams come true

    Fate is kind
    She brings to those who love
    The sweet fulfillment of
    Their secret longing

    Like a bolt out of the blue
    Fate steps in and sees you through
    When you wish upon a star
    Your dreams come true

    Good night, Tinkerbelle.

  113. From your own article:

    “having inherited the Great Depression when he took office in 1933, FDR presided over what was probably the greatest year of peacetime economic growth in American history in 1936.”

    That was seven years after the crash. Good lord, are you really that ignorant?

    And what’s just as significant is what happened the very next year. In 1937 (for the uneducated or math-challenged, that’s eight years after the crash), the recovery was going strong: unemployment was down to 14%, half of what it had been, and the GDP and production were both at or near their pre-crash levels. But FDR, concerned about the size of the deficits and egged on by conservatives, dramatically cut the very thing that had fueled the recovery – federal spending. The result of taking a huge chunk of cash out of the economy was dramatic and immediate – the recession of 1937. Unemployment spiked to 19% and production fell back to 1932-1933 levels. It was the second-worst downturn of the twentieth century, topped only by the crash of 1929 itself. And we didn’t recover from it until the massive deficit spending of WWII. Gee, look at that: deficit spending spurred the recovery. Again.

    Dramatically cutting spending is exactly what the wrong wing wants to do now. Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.

    “If we look only at the six postwar recessions that lasted at least half as long (that is, at least nine months) as the recession Obama inherited”

    In other words, if we look at recessions that weren’t as long or as severe as this one, it took less time to recover. Wow, that’s pure genius! ROFLMAO – I think we’ve discovered a new element: oxb0nium – the densest substance so far discovered.

  114. Excuse me, but I could swear I’ve added the qualifying reference “since the Great Depression” many times in this thread, as well as “since WWII”. So what’s you point?

    You have none.

    Kindly point out where I’ve even implied that a recovery from recession should take as long or longer than a depression. (Hint; they absolutely should not) I believe that’s the point, sweet pea, thanks for that.

    Your latest dodge is just another amusing revelation of how tenuous your position is. But what the heck, I like moving targets:

    The Crash was not the low point of the Depression. I thought we’ve been talking about recoveries. How the hell can one measure a recovery without starting at the bottom of a recession or depression. My god you are either more dense that I thought, or more desperate… or both.

    Read this s_l_o_w_l_y and see if you can figure out when the Great Depression bottomed out:

    The Great Depression started with major economic contractions in 1930, ’31, ’32 and ’33. In the three following years, the economy rebounded strongly with growth rates of 11%, 9% and 13%, respectively.

    In other words, chicky, once the DEPRESSION had bottomed out (I’ll help you here; 1933), the economy experienced three of the most incredible years of growth on record.

    Three years. Hmmmmm… why does that time period sound familiar?

    Never mind, let’s reload:

    The current recovery began in the second half of 2009, but economic growth has been weak. Growth in 2010 was 3% and in 2011 it was 1.7%. Who knows what 2012 will bring, but the current growth rate looks to be about 2%, according to the consensus of economists recently polled by Blue Chip Economic Indicators

    So, thanks for making MY point, genius.

    But… there’s more:

    Sadly, we have never really recovered from the recession. The economy has not even returned to its long-term growth rate and is certainly not making up for lost ground. No doubt, there are favorable economic numbers to be found, but overall we continue to struggle.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303816504577311470997904292.html

    “Favorable numbers?” Now why does that sound familiar? Oh yeah, those would be what you keep touting, LMAO.

    Ignoring the gratuitous paragraph on suicidal Keynesianism – blah, blah, blah, blah – let’s move to your final gem:

    “If we look only at the six postwar recessions that lasted at least half as long (that is, at least nine months) as the recession Obama inherited”

    In other words, if we look at recessions that weren’t as long or as severe as this one, it took less time to recover.

    Really? Really? Is that what you take from the quote? You better get up from the floor, you’ve been breathing in way too much toxic carpet dust.

    Ignoring your absurd conclusion, kindly explain to the audience how what you just said doesn’t undermine your entire argument. Because it seems to me that by admitting that the only basis’ for comparison of recessions since the depression are recessions that lasted “at least half as long as the recession Obama inherited” would mean two things:
    1) That is the only data available, and (ding, ding, ding, ding),
    2) all showed much greater recoveries over a shorter period of time that the current one – including, and especially, the comparable recession that ended in 1982.

    Thanks again, twinklebelle. Where would you like to go now?

  115. close emph.

  116. “The Crash was not the low point of the Depression” — LOL – the low point was in the second half of 1932. So the good year of 1936 was four years after the low point. What’s funny is that the low point of this recession was 1st quarter 2010. By the standard of the Great Depression, we’re due for a good year in 2013 or 2014.

    “the economy experienced three of the most incredible years of growth on record.”

    Thanks to the deficit spending of the Roosevelt administration. And when they cut spending, that recovery became another recession.

    “That is the only data available”

    Sorry, we’re out of apples, so let’s compare the apple to oranges.

    “the comparable recession that ended in 1982″

    Except that it wasn’t as long or as deep. LOL

  117. ROTFLMFAOX∞

    Why did I know you would just HAVE to have the last word.

    How do you fit so much false ego into a pea-sized brain.

    Not much room left for anything else, obviously.

    Except that it wasn’t as long or as deep.

    Thanks for making my point – again.

  118. “Why did I know you would just HAVE to have the last word.” — he said, desperately trying to get in the last word. ROFL

    “‘Except that it wasn’t as long or as deep.’ Thanks for making my point – again” — So, first you claimed the Reagan recession was “comparable” to this, and now you say it wasn’t. Flip-flop often?

  119. Okay, I’ll make this as simple as possible:

    When does a recession end?

    What happens at that point?

    Except that it wasn’t as long or as deep

    Okay, you’re right about that:

    Reagan Recession; 16 months
    Obama recession: 18 months

    Deeper, only marginally.

    Is it possible that policies of the Reagan administration brought the recession to an earlier end, and produced a stronger, earlier recovery.

    No doubt. Thanks for making my point.

    So why has the campaigner-in-chief not been as successful at the recovery part as Reagan?

    That would be a rhetorical question.

  120. “Reagan Recession; 16 months
    Obama recession: 18 months
    Deeper, only marginally.”

    ROFL – once again, you have no idea what you’re talking about.

    Reagan recession: GDP dropped 2.7%
    Great Recession: GDP dropped 4.1% (that’s 50% more)

    Reagan recession: unemployment up from 7.2% to 10.8% (up 50%)
    Great Recession: unemployment up from 5% to 10% (up 100%)

    “why has the [gratuitous insult removed] not been as successful at the recovery part as Reagan”

    Because, as I’ve already demonstrated, the Reagan recession was shorter and much shallower than the Great Recession.

    Facts. They trump wrong-wing myths and Reagan idolatry every time.

  121. No, you just have to have the last word.

    Wait two or three days – then post more of your standard BS.

    Like anyone cares.

  122. “No, you just have to have the last word.”

    … he said, desperately trying to get in the last word. ROFL

    “Like anyone cares.

    Well, obviously you did. Thanks for such a great laugh!

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