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Letter by Norman Brown, Tacoma on June 7, 2012 at 12:25 pm with 16 Comments »
June 7, 2012 1:23 pm

The writer who complained about “the tyranny of a tax-happy government” (letter, 6-6) should remember that those taxes that the rich don’t pay and the corporations don’t pay are ones the rest of us have to pay.

If you want police, firefighters and good roads, taxes have to be paid. If the rich get richer and don’t pay their fair share of taxes and the corporations get tax breaks or take their profits off-shore, that means the rest of us have to make up the difference.

The letter writer (TNT, 6-6) who complained that “those who write initiatives are taking away the ability of a majority of the population to to make a truly informed decision” is correct. That is why there is a little thing each and every registered voter receives in the mail. It is called a “Voters Pamphlet.”

In it every issue up for a vote is explained in plain language, what the law is now and the effect if the law is passed. If those who voted for Initiative 1183 had read the details, they would have seen the fees and taxes that were written into the initiative were not written by the state, but by the lawyers for Costco.

And finally, the letter writer who wrote of “those who swallow swill of corporate advertising” (TNT, 6-6) is correct. Initiative I-1183 was not written for consumers, but for corporations.

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  1. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    Norman… “the rich” pay the same tax rates as everyone in this state for “police, firefighters, and good (????) roads”.

    46% of tax filers pay no income tax at all – none! “You should remember that those taxes that the” 46% “don’t pay are the ones the rest of us pay.” How many times does it have to be repeated?

  2. Fibonacci says:

    Norman
    Have you forgotten? What is good for business is good for America. Remember, the rich are out there “creating jobs” so we need to keep giving them breaks. Just look how many jobs they have created since Bush gave the rich a tax break–oh wait, they haven’t.

  3. Our community is begging the higher income class to plz vote yes for buses. None of us can drive, our route/shuttle will be cut if the prop fails again. We have no affordable alternatives.

  4. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Fib- did you forget that EVERY taxpayer got a rate reduction in the Bush tax cuts? The poor benefited the greatest.

  5. Thank you BORG, for bringing up the issue of the Pierce Transit tax. Those of us fortunate to have incomes that allow us to make a choice between driving our cars and taking the bus should support our community by voting for the tax. To the anti-tax among you, express your sentiments to the Pierce Transit administrators or the county council rather than making it more difficult for those with disabilities and limited incomes by your votes.

  6. Bandito says:

    Everyone in Washington pays taxes. the poor pay a disproportionate percentage due to the regressive nature of our sales tax. If we had an income tax then the overly wealthy might be paying closer to their fair share. They know it. In fact some have spoken out about it.

    On the national level, the Bush tax cuts saved the wealthy staggering amounts of money compared to the small amount that the poor may have previously paid.

  7. Thanks lindee for the words of wisdom!

  8. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    To the anti-tax among you, express your sentiments to the Pierce Transit administrators or the county council rather than making it more difficult for those with disabilities and limited incomes by your votes.

    And how will that have any effect? Besides cinching the purse strings, how else do we force runaway government spending to check itself? Do you seriously believe that a few angry taxpayers at a council meeting, or letters to any local bureaucracy would be more effective messages than “no” votes on tax increases?

    This would be a typical liberal response; “you have to pay for it before you can complain about it”.

    I’m absolutely in favor of doing what is necessary to help provide mobility resources to those with disabilities. The “poor” on the other hand is a more subjective criteria. If “the poor” live in areas that will no longer be serviced by PT, it seems to me they have made a bad choice to begin with. And as for discounted fares for the current broad spectrum of qualifications, they simply are not sustainable.

    Before PT, bus fares on city busses were $.25 – for everyone. That would be about $1.85. today, in 1965 dollars. Yet the fare for anyone who doesn’t have some kind of special pass is $2.00. Kindly explain this.

    In the mean time, kids with no disabilities or whose parents may or may not be on “limited incomes” ride anywhere they like for $.75 – less than 50% of the 1965 fare.

    It seems to me we have issues with both user fees, ridiculously unprofitable routes, bloated budgets/ payrolls, and legacy costs of ex-employees that are driving costs of operations ever higher at PT. And, unlike the brilliant Nancy Pelosi, I’m not willing to “pass it before I read it”.

  9. “I’m absolutely in favor of doing what is necessary to help provide mobility resources to those with disabilities.”

    But you refuse to PAY for it.
    Typical conservative.

  10. taxedenoughintacoma says:

    I will not and the majority feel this way too, will never vote for a tax increase until we have real reforms in the status quo. Liberals and democrats want only the status quo because these systems fund their party. The public is tired of this. The headwinds for reforms is heading this way.

    I look forward to that spirit reaching WA State and until that time I will vote NO. We must starve the beast until they are broke and forced to make real reforms.

    The first reform I want to see is a divorce with the public sector unions. Right now the relationship is incestuous and the taxpayers know this.

  11. SwordofPerseus says:

    Hey Pox, Conc7 and TaxedinTAC You obviously do not like taxes or any sort of social structure or services. To that end I believe you would be in near extacy living in Somalia or perhaps Ethiopia, the taxes are very low and services non existent. Ta ta, bon voiage!

  12. SwordofPerseus says:

    Ever read any history there taxed. Ever hear of the French revolution? Do you understand what income disparity means? What it does to a country? No; not surprised. How about you turn of fox boobs and Rush Drugbah and read a book about what is going on today written by someone who is not a neo-con. I challenge you to inform yourself.

    End This Depression Now! by Paul Krugman

    Disaster Capitalism by Naomi Klein

    Confessions of an Economic Hit Man by John Perkins

  13. beerBoy says:

    Excellent reading list….unfortunately it is doubtful they will read them or be open to the information presented.

  14. Vox…excellent comments as always, however…..on your first comment. The rich actually pay a higher percentage of tax than the poor due to our progressive tax system and higher marginal rates, individuals our government deems “rich” pay a higher and higher percentage of their upper income toward taxes. And it’s not the rich, its higher income earners that get soaked.

    Our sales tax is a much more intelligent tax base than a state income tax. The drug dealers? The other individuals who make unverified monies off criminal and non-criminal activities? The waiters and waitresses that make 3 times what their w2’s say they make as many don’t claim their tips?, the business owners that cheat on their taxes and hide revenue? All of these people consume products, and they pay sales tax. Excluding non-prepared foods makes it so this tax doesn’t overly hit the “poor”. You buy a 2,000.00 car you pay sales tax on it(a percentage). You buy a 65,000.00 truck, you pay sales tax(a percentage) on it. Much more fair than an income tax, and captures taxes from all the people scamming/cheating the system too.

  15. The authors listed are all socialists, duh!

  16. frosty – you aren’t even trying to fake a reality basis with that last one.

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