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INSLEE: Would he pander to public worker unions?

Letter by Hank Harwell, Browns Point on June 4, 2012 at 12:41 pm with 117 Comments »
June 4, 2012 1:30 pm

Re: “Smallish but rowdy crowd for Democrats” (TNT, 6-3).

Gubernatorial candidate Jay Inslee said he will protect Washington state from the “virus from Wisconsin” – a condescending and derogatory term he used to describe the efforts of Wisconsin citizens to bring their state spending under control.

Just how does Inslee propose to protect us from this so-called “virus”? By pandering to the state employee unions at the expense of other citizens in the state?

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  1. aislander says:

    One need only look at the improvements in Wisconsin’s budgetary situation to realize that state is leading the way to a better balance between the private and public sectors.

    I contributed to governor Walker’s campaign, and I wish him–and his state–good luck in the forthcoming election.

  2. “One need only look at the improvements in Wisconsin’s budgetary situation to realize that state is leading the way to a better balance between the private and public sectors.”

    How can you be so blind a*******r?
    The WI budget and entire state are now a mess because of walker, who will lose the election.
    Even with out spending the evil Democrats 25 to 1…all out of state money.

  3. CrazyJim says:

    Oh good Christ! We have politicians pandering to un-American organizations like ALEC, the US Chamber of Commerce and any number of right wing Koch sponsored think tanks and this guy worries because someone might stick up for 2% of work force. Walker is on a union killing mission for his corporate sponsors mainly because they tend to vote for the wrong party. Is Wisconsin better off today? No! Walker is selling the state off to the highest bidders. Why do you think they have millions and millions to spend on his recall all money from out of state?

  4. philichi says:

    Nice letter. Scott Walker is an American hero. He is standing against the forces of evil. He has a lot of guts. Americans are looking up to him. This is about to happen all over the nation.

    Inslee, will simply appease the evil unions. It has not worked in California, Illinois, or Greece for that matter. The only cure for the cancer is to take it out and clean up what is left of the states and cities, one by one.

    The average voter is fed up. I have often wondered how it took so long.

  5. fanciladi says:

    I’m and our state have been embarrassed enough with the years we’ve had “Gargoyle” in office…I think Inslee would cause even greater embarrassment for all!

  6. Walker is an American hero that is being investigated for corruption.

    Nice, Mr. P. I love who you conservatives call “hero”.

    Fanciladi – for someone that is so sensitive about nasty comments, you certainly have no problem with namecalling, do you? More hypocrisy from the conservatives.

  7. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Who is your hero, Larry?

  8. My hero is Frank Burns

  9. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Nice. Guess you did not want to pick another 1% womanizer.

  10. Hey Frank – why aren’t you spewing the Republican line of the day?

    Didn’t you get the email?

  11. 1% womanizer? Why would my hero be Newt Gingrich?

  12. took14theteam says:

    When the results come in tomorrow, I will be anxiously waiting for commentary from Larry. If they go one way, he will be correct. If they go the other way, he will be eating the ehill bovine excrement that he has been spewing here about Wisconsin since Jan 2011.

    Pins and Needles….

  13. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Thank you for proving my point Larry. At least Newt did not pimp his women out like your other hero.

  14. If Scott Walker is not recalled tomorrow, it’s no skin off my nose. I looks like his federal corruption charges will result in the same outcome.

    Use some of that six figure earning capacity to purchase some booze that is more expensive and drown your sorrows.

    Isn’t it amazing how conservatives root for people who are being investigated for corruption and who stuck their foot in their mouth thinking they were talking to David Koch?

    Between this and and watching the conservatives trying to justify paying more for booze since they “won”….I don’t know which is more funny.

  15. Uh…Frank Burns….I don’t have a clue who you are talking about, but let’s be FRANK about Newt.

    He walked out on his wife who was fighting cancer to be with his paramour whom he was diddling while making a big deal of Clinton’s affair with Lewinsky.

    That’s what we call the daily double of hypocrisy.

    I know this will kill your day, Frank, I don’t have heroes. Everyone puts on their pants one leg at a time in my world.

    Now, go find something wrong with that. Tell HotLips I said hello.

  16. averageJoseph says:

    Of courthe he’ll pander to the unionth. That’th what progrethiveth do.

  17. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    Walker is an American hero that is being investigated for corruption.

    Did Holder sic the FBI on Walker too?

    Of course, Larry cannot provide a single shred of evidence that Walker is indeed under any sort of investigation – outside of every liberal wacko blog you can think of, and a quite a few that were created just for this race.

    Whattup’ Larry? No linky this time?

    You’re a real life cartoon character.

  18. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    He walked out on his wife who was fighting cancer to be with his paramour whom he was diddling while making a big deal of Clinton’s affair with Lewinsky.

    Clinton was “diddling” with Lewinski in 1981?

    So, you’re saying Clinton’s a pedophile too, Larry? Wow… and only 8 years old at the time of Gingrich’s divorce… I never knew!

  19. Oh….I see. Walker is just a target of the Attorney General for political purposes. It couldn’t be anything to do with his own people testifying against him.

    Vox….are you serious???? You need me to take my pick of gawd knows how many links to post one for you?

    Tell you what. If you can continue to deny Walker’s investigation because I didn’t post a link, who am I to ruin your dream?

  20. fanciladi says:

    Gargoyle = an Ornament, carving, decortion or figurehead…per the Thesauras. Isn’t that what she is?

    Oh, by the way, who made you judge and jury on comments? My guess is…you did!

  21. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    Linky, linky, or else the story’s stinky.

    Prove it Larry. Show us a link from the FBI or a credible media source confirming he’s under investigation. Heck, I’d even take something from the New York Times, or the WAPo confirming an investigation.

    What would be the first clue this is trumped-up BS? Oh… let’s see… Walkers still ahead in the polls – has been since the recall effort began… about the same time your rumor started.

    You should stick to things you know about… like Newt Gingrich’s divorces, LMAO!

  22. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    Never fear though, Holder’s sending his goons to monitor the election for (just for you, elmer)… wait for it…voter fraud.

    This should be interesting. Wonder if he’ll be using the New Black Panthers as muscle in his enforcement efforts.

  23. took14theteam says:

    If Scott Walker is not recalled tomorrow, it’s no skin off my nose.


    If I already didn’t waste too much time here, I would be pulling your comments up from the archive where you brought Scott Walker and his assured defeat into EVERY thread you could.

    Mrs. kluwer’s favorite words now: Liar. Hypocrite.

  24. I guess if you want to call the Governor a gargoyle, I’ll call you a troll.

    I did make myself judge and jury of your hypocrisy. Brilliant of you to notice.

    Oh geez…Vox. You’re RIGHT!!! Newt walked out on his other wife for his paramour that he was diddling in 1995 or thereabouts. My mistake. Thanks for pointing that out. So much diddling, so easy to confuse which one was which.

    Now we know that Newt did the same thing twice. During the Clinton hearings, Newt was diddling his aide – not only a violation of his marriage, but an employee to boot.

    When you dump on wives as much as Newt did, someone needs to keep track of which one was which. Thanks for your help.

  25. beerBoy says:

    The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel is a “liberal wacko blog”?

    Scott Walker Mistakenly Admits He is Under Investigation

    wisdems.org — Following reports that Scott Walker’s criminal defense fund grew by $100,000 in May, the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel is today reporting major revelations in the John Doe criminal corruption probe, including Scott Walker’s mistaken admission that he is under investigation.

  26. Took….I thought Joey was the one that archived everything….did you forget to change monikers before commenting?

    Take some of your 6 figure earnings to buy someone who gives a rat’s patootie….

    Meanwhile I’m going to drive my Rolls Kanardly to Beverly Hills to meet with my wife, Morgan Fairchild….yeah…that’s it…that’s the ticket…..

  27. took14theteam says:


  28. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    wisdems.org is not the Milwaukee Sentinel Journal. I know the Milwaukee Sentinel Journal. They endorsed Walker too.

    Sorry beerBs, just having fun with my favorite stalker (no… not you).

    Larry, who would believe anything from someone who can’t even correctly execute a flame about Gingrich’s divorces.


    And Bill wants his autographed undies back from you now too.

  29. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Larry, the defender of marriage, yet his hero is JFK. Ironic.

  30. phlichi – the first three words of our Constitution are WE THE PEOPLE – any one who oppresses or opposes WE THE PEOPLE is not an American hero.

    As Lincoln said Of the People, By the People, For the People.

    CT7 – ‘1% who pimped his wife’ – what are you talking about?

    Oh Larry you must have forgotten that it was our lefty, pinko, democratic legislature that caused the price of booze to go up.

    Vox brainless:

    BREAKING: MAJOR REVELATIONS IN JOHN DOE PROBE – Scott Walker Inadvertently Admits He is Under Investigation


  31. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Xring, he pimped a 19 year old intern.

  32. lylelaws says:

    If the voters in Wisconsin reject the recall effort, it will send a message that will resonate throughout the nation in the years to come.

    More and more people are beginning to realize that the unreasonable demands of public employee unions that many politicans knuckle under to to stay in office are causing financial chaos in all levels of government.

    Enough is enough

  33. averageJoseph says:

    What is the thread topic?

  34. Frank Burns needs to learn what “pimped out” means before he makes a bigger fool of himself.

    Althought the ignorance is rather amusing since his namesake is alway saying stupid things….

    Any mindless baboon can see she isn’t here, including me.
    — Frank Burns

  35. The tread topic is anything about me that your alts want to bring up, Joey.

    Lyle, allow me to compliment you. Of all the partisan pap you have spewed on this website during the past couple of years I’ve been participating….your last comment is the biggest bunch of BS I’ve read from you to date. Congratulations!

    The recall is a result of Scott Walker lying to the voters.

  36. JoeyDeepends…since the letter was about Inslee and the first comment by Aislander was about Wisconsin and Walker……maybe you need to ask yourself why Aislander can’t stay on topic. He ruined the entire thread.

  37. beerBoy says:

    This is a link to the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel (I saw it before but their URL – jsonline – doesn’t immediately connect as being from the paper)

    It is worth noting that the MJS endorsed Walker in the general election so it is unlikely that their reporting is based in a political bias

    Here is a link to a very good, well cited, overview of the “John Doe” case being investigated in Wisconsin. As the linked article states, there is no direct, conclusive evidence that Walker is the “John Doe” though there is enough evidence to strongly support that conclusion.

    As of today, this ongoing criminal investigation has resulted in six indictments, 15 felony charges, and two convictions. At the moment, five people are awaiting trial. All of these individuals have direct links to Walker.

  38. beerBoy says:

    The thread “drift” is directly related to the letter’s content which cites Inslee, “virus from Wisconsin”

  39. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    Given the news of the day, bB, I think the subject of the WI Recall Election is topical – not thread drift. Besides, the LTE is one big rhetorical question… or (beginning with the header), more accurately three.

  40. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    But I notice a slight inaccuracy in your preceding post:

    It is worth noting that the MJS endorsed Walker in the general election…

    Actually, they endorsed him in the recall election too:

    Milwaukee Wisconsin Journal Sentinel
    Dateline Milwaukee
    May 19, 2012

    … Everyone has an opinion about Gov. Scott Walker of Wisconsin.
    Here’s ours: We see no reason to remove Walker from office. We recommend him in the June 5 recall election…

    Walker’s rematch with Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett was prompted by one issue: Walker’s tough stance with the state’s public-employee unions. It’s inconceivable that the recall election would be occurring absent that. And a disagreement over a single policy is simply not enough to justify a vote against the governor…

    To his credit, Walker has helped to right the state’s finances with a minimum of gimmicks – the governor reported recently that the state may be able to book a $154 million surplus next year. This good news has been lost in the clutter surrounding an unnecessary recall election that will cost as much as $18 million just to stage, according to the Government Accountability Board…

    Democrats claim the recall election is about far more than Act 10. The most serious of the charges on their bill of particulars is the ongoing John Doe investigation being conducted by the Milwaukee County district attorney’s office. The investigation, which has been going on for nearly two years, has looked into a variety of activities during the time Walker was county executive. Prosecutors have charged three ex-Walker aides and two others; more charges may be coming. Walker has set up a legal-defense fund.

    But the governor has insisted that he is not a target of the investigation and that he is cooperating. While the investigation surely is troubling, no evidence revealed so far implicates Walker. Overzealous political associates sometimes get in trouble. The John Doe probe doesn’t justify a vote against the governor…

    It’s time to end the bickering and get back to the business of the state. We’ve had our differences with the governor, but he deserves a chance to complete his term. We recommended him in 2010. We see no reason to change that recommendation. We urge voters to support Walker in the June 5 recall election.


    And yes, Larry and elmer, cherry picked for effect. If you want the dirt, go to the link and read for yourselves.

    BTW, bB, Daniel Bice (whose piece you linked) is carrying the water for the dems and unionistas on this whole 26-month Walker witch hunt issue in his “No Quarter” JSO Blog. When one refers to “The Milwaukee Sentinel Journal”, I would think the opinions of the editorial board would be a bit more reflective of the paper’s position than a muckraking bloggers – especially one who has been so regularly accused of liberal bias.

    Just sayin’.

  41. philichi says:

    Unlike the Greeks, the Spanish and others, The US may actually stand up for sanity. It all comes down to the Wisconsin and San Jose elections today.

    Yes, we will see the marches and protests in Olympia and Seattle. Reform isn’t going to be easy. It won’t be for the faint at heart. But when the pain and shouting are over, it will all be worth it.

    We may have kids getting educated in public schools and other state workers being twice as efficient at half the cost. all with a budget that is sound and sustainable.

  42. Oh…a filibuster of smoke and mirrors. How unique!. We’ve never seen VoxClamato take that approach in commenting. Just sayin’

  43. Mr P – I couldn’t agree more. Sanity is defined as NOT doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Since the Wisconsin recall is all about voters demonstrating displeasure in being lied to and taking action, I cannot think of anything more sane.

  44. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    Says the master bai… journey-level paper hanger.

    You know when one reaches your level of experience, and since we know that union jobs are never merit-based, should’t you be sittin’ back with your ample lard repository firmly glued to the old paste bucket while your apprentices do all of your work?

  45. averageJoseph says:

    LMAO Vox! Indeed.

  46. Ct7 – you obviously do not know the meaning of ‘pimped”.

    Lyle – what will resonate even more is Citizens United that gave our politics over to the rich and to corporations. Right now, the unions are one of the few institutions that stand between us and a government By the Rich, Of the Selected, For the Corporations.

    Vox – the only accuracy in you MJS post is that the MJS endorsed Walker – the rest of the article is typical republicon talking points that are not true.

    Sock and puppet in accord.

  47. commoncents says:

    So Wisconsin’s budget is looking ok. How much of that is directly attributable to the changes to the pension plans/health plans etc etc etc?

  48. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    Your… astute observations are always appreciated, x.

    You’re a case study.

  49. “Scott Walker is an American hero”

    Good god.

  50. “If the voters in Wisconsin reject the recall effort, it will send a message that will resonate throughout the nation in the years to come.”

    Well, no not really.

  51. I find it interesting that if Inslee serves the desires of public employees who are taxpayers, that is “pandering”.

    Providing tax breaks to businesses is what?

  52. concernedtacoma7 says:


  53. Frank Burns – no. Jobs are what happens when the middle class has money to spend and creates a demand on the marketplace. If there are no demands on the marketplace and you give tax breaks you just increased the profit margin for a business that is hiring no one.

    Economic 101 – supply and demand.

    I realize that this source is only a billionaire, but maybe you can learn from him.


  54. Larry – let us not forget that McKenna will serve the interests of corporations, big business, and the rich by reducing their job-killing, profit-destroying tax burdens.

    By the way – why is Mckenna taking his campaign to Texas?


    Going after that there big oil money from good god-fearing, christian billionaires no doubt.

  55. philichi says:

    No, Public Unions live off of tax payers. The more they take, the more that it costs to live in a state.

    Larry, you are right about insanity. Keeping the same system of public unions rotting our budgets, (like Greece and the most of the rest of Europe) would be insane. It is great that reform has come.

  56. aislander says:

    Since we’re talking about unions, I think it would be illuminating to explore the relationship between the ideology of syndicalism–roughly, rule by labor unions–and corporatism.

    Who wants to start?

  57. philichi – as usual, you misrepresent the issue. Public workers unions are collective bargaining units created to negotiate workers rights and benefits. The source of the funding to pay for public employees is tax money, but the constituents get services in return.

    The rest of your hyperbole is duely noted.

  58. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Ah, the ‘workers’ in charge. The marketing of communism. Worked out great for the USSR.

  59. FrankBurns – try reading “The Jungle” by Upton Sinclair

  60. aislander says:

    Syndicalism is a type of economic system proposed as a replacement for capitalism and an alternative to state socialism, which uses federations of collectivised trade unions or industrial unions. It is a form of socialist economic corporatism that advocates interest aggregation of multiple non-competitive categorised units to negotiate and manage an economy. Wiarda, Howard J. Corporatism and comparative politics. M.E. Sharpe, 1996. pp. 65–66, 156.

    Does that sound like a right-wing construct?

  61. Who is American business outsourcing to? The communists of North Vietnam

  62. As long as there is a buck to be made….


    I get so tired of the ignorant bleeting of “communism” and “socialism” from the right wing choir, who now use those terms because “liberal” isn’t fearful enough.

    They throw the fear terms around and then do business with the very people they claim we should fear.

    More hypocrisy.

    Americans get replaced by communists in other countries, all in the name of profit.

  63. concernedtacoma7 says:

    So profit equals evil, but dependency on the state is a good thing?

  64. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Ai- I think both the communist and syndicalism model you described rely on agriculture and manufacturing economies that we are not. They need independent farmers and large scale factory settings.

    We are too decentralized for that to be feasible, not that some should not try.

    Our nation and economy is too large/complex for centralized planning, whether by a representative govt like today or a small group like ‘workers’ representatives.

    Every attempt at state planning has failed, here and abroad, with the small exception being public works projects that can only be funded/executed by a state. The only proven, successful way to govern and grow and economy is faith and trust in the individual.

  65. philichi says:

    Actually, the downturn in the economy is a blessing. It has caused us to deal with the union mess now verses later. Tax revenues have slipped so the public budgets are way down. This should go on for many years. (with current Obama policies) Market returns have also slowed. This will bring the pension obligations to a head too. States are counting on 8% returns for their pensions. The 10 years treasury is 1.5% Yes, because of this, even Democrats will be forced to deal with their pay masters, (the public unions. This is really great news.
    Isn’t this great news Larry?

  66. CT7 – wrong as usual – excessive profits achieved by paying substandard wages, cutting health and retirement benefits, or by outsourcing our jobs or is not just evil it is Anti-American.

    Keep/return well paying jobs to this country would to a long way growing our economy and ending dependency of the state.

  67. aislander says:

    I’m most definitely not advocating that model, ct7, but I am seeing certain similarities in it to what some factions are pushing in this country.

    When government becomes an enforcement arm for private-sector unions and melds with public-sector ones, it seems that IS syndicalism. Combine that with a taxation and regulation scheme that gives government effective control of business as well as reaping a huge chunk of the profit, well, THAT is corporatism.

    What is syndicalism a predicate to, and corporatism a hallmark of?

  68. concernedtacoma7 says:

    I understand that you were not advocating an alternate system for capitalism.

    Yes, when you (figurative) bash profits and the free market you are advocating for an alternate system. However it is defined, when the control of the economy is taken from the individual and given to a selective group through regulation or cronyism, it is not capitalism.

  69. aislander says:

    I know this is going to generate howls from the usual suspect, but both syndicalism and corporatism are necessary for the formation of fascism, and the fact that syndicalism is most definitely a left-wing system puts fascism in ITS rightful place…

  70. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Whenever you make the individual more dependent on the state the greater the certainty for abuse. Power becomes centralized, and it is a one way street with few exceptions.

    State power leaves the people looking for a savior, someone or some group with the answers and authority to give them something, vs faith in themselves.

  71. philichi says:

    Dear Dems and LIbs, if Walker wins in Wisconsin, your whole lives are about to change. It is probably time to prepare a resume.

  72. Philichi…so those of us who work in the for profit world but don’t subscribe to your fascist philosophies will be threatened for our jobs if the conservatives get their way?

    Gee, there’s a real incentive.

  73. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Freedom = fascist? Fiscal responsibility is a bad thing? What a losing argument.

    If you are wasting oxygen while collecting a union protected paycheck, then you should be concerned. On the flip side, why are you not concerned that some union hack is collecting an oversized paycheck funded with your tax dollars?

  74. aislander says:

    Wisconsin: The good guys won.

    Now, let’s take the country back!

  75. Aislander thinks that a governor being investigated for corruption charges is the “good guy”. Which gubernatorial candidate has a legal defense fund?

    There are four Senate seats up for recall also and all it takes is one to shift the majority to the Democrats.

    Like most kneejerk reactions, there is a lot left to play in Wisconsin. Walker bought an election (7 to 1 spending) but can’t buy off a corruption indictment.

  76. Not a single poll gave walker over 50% of the vote, and the spread was never more than 3 to 5% and we are suppose to believe walker won by 15%?

  77. xring…..and even more interesting, exit polls taken today showed that Wisconsin voters prefer Obama 53 to 45 over Romney. Makes you wonder if someone is playing with voting machines.

    We know who might be a criminal. Who transfered $100,000 from his campaign to his legal defense fund?

  78. aislander says:

    You loons crack me up…

  79. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    Who said this:

    Philichi…so those of us who work in the for profit world but don’t subscribe to your fascist philosophies will be threatened for our jobs if the conservatives get their way?
    After he said this:

    I get so tired of the ignorant bleeting of “communism” and “socialism” from the right wing choir, who now use those terms because “liberal” isn’t fearful enough.

    Profiles in hypocrisy.

    So… Larry, guess you and the rest of the unionistas will have to hang your hat on a politically-motivated, 26-month old John DOA investigation now huh?

    Shall we try for a THIRD recall election in WI?

  80. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    … and even more interesting, exit polls taken today showed that Wisconsin voters prefer Obama 53 to 45 over Romney.

    LOLZMFAO, that’s got to be the funniest thing I’ve ever seen!

    Okay…x doesn’t trust the polls… bogus exit polls showed earlier that it was a 50/ 50 tie… but who cares if Walker wins by 20, exit polls say that Badgers prefer 0bama.

    Even if it were true, if it actually meant anything, it meant a hell of a lot of Democrats voted against the unionistas.

  81. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    Walker bought an election (7 to 1 spending)…

    And remind us again, Larry; who “bought” the recalls?

  82. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    There are four Senate seats up for recall also and all it takes is one to shift the majority to the Democrats

    They’d better start “finding” ballots quick, Larry. AP just call a third Senate seat for the Republicans. GOP Sen. Moulton retained his seat over Democrat Dexter in the northwest Wisconsin recall.

    Three down…

  83. aislander says:

    I guess I’m the dreaded “out-of-state money,” since I sent my fifty bucks to the Walker campaign.

    I think the early polling must have been dispiriting for union thugs or they would have matched dollar for dollar…

  84. Walker outspent the opposition 7 to 1.

    Thank you Citizens United.

  85. While Barrett has received about 26 percent of his $4 million in campaign donations from outside the Badger State, Walker has drawn nearly two-thirds of his $30.5 million contributions from out of state, according to campaign filings released May 29.

    We know now that an election can be bought.

  86. Why does Walker have a defense fund?

  87. now…what was that? Oh yeah…

    Walker has drawn nearly two-thirds of his $30.5 million contributions from out of state.

    65% of Walker’s campaign financing was from people and organizations OUTSIDE of Wisconsin.

  88. If Walker is innocent, he has nothing to worry about….right?

  89. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    Here you go Larry:


    Only one of the five State Senate seats not called for the Republicans… but not to worry, the last-chance Dem is only down 62% to 38%.

    This is a slaughter.

  90. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    Oops… make that “Only one of the four State Senate seats…

    But I think it could have been one out of 400 tonight.

    Wisconsin has spoken.

    Early day tomorrow.

  91. aislander says:

    I’m glad our hopes aren’t hanging on an investigation that may or may not be of the preferred target.

    Hell, if your wildest desires come true and Walker is removed from office and locked up for the crime of being conservative, won’t the Lieutenant Governor take over?

    Maybe the thugs could confab with Obama’s team and get some sealed divorce papers leaked. The One has knocked out a couple of opponents with that tactic…

  92. averageJoseph says:

    OMG… LMAO! The thread from top to bottom is priceless. =cue missed shot @ Bozo bucket= wa… wa… waaaa…

  93. aislander says:

    I guess the initials stand for: Sucks Every T I‘m Unsuccessful…

  94. aislander says:

    THAT was unsuccessful.

  95. averageJoseph says:

    The choir of extraordinaire is extraordinarily silent. LMAO!

  96. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Yup, President Romney it is. Thank you Wisconsin and Gov Walker.

    Cheers Larry! Ha! Blame, deflect, whine is all you have (since it is not voters!).

  97. beerBoy says:

    I wouldn’t be popping those champagne bottles so early – exit polls showed that WI voters still were supporting Obama – of course, he is no great friend to the worker….his tepid support for the recall is evidence of that.

  98. beerBoy…now there you go talking like a grown up. You know they won’t understand that.

    So the Democrats got the one Senate seat they needed to stop Walker’s free for all stripping of rights?

    Perfect. Job well done.

    I note on the front page that Walker is taking reconcilliation now. I doubt that will stop the investigation.

  99. As Wisconsin residents decide today whether Gov. Scott Walker keeps his job, reports have surfaced of automated calls instructing voters who signed the recall petition that they don’t need to cast a vote to oust the controversial governor.

    Numerous voters said they received a “robo-call” telling them “if you signed the recall petition, your job is done and you don’t need to vote on Tuesday.”

    Ahem….the projection was that they needed about a 60-65% turnout for recall. They topped out at 58%.

    Now, of THAT, Walker could only buy 53% of the vote.

    My previous statement should have been “TALKING reconciliation”

  100. averageJoseph says:

    “exit polls showed” that they have a pattern of being very inaccurate, “exit polls showed” a 50/50 tie, “exit polls showed” …LMAO!

  101. averageJoseph says:

    It’s interesting how polls are always most significant when they support one’s own views and rather unimportant when they don’t.

    Where have I heard that bBefore ??? ;)

  102. philichi says:

    Why is it when Obama outspends McCain is it OK? When Walker outspends the commie it is bad?

    Libs and Dems this is the deal. Since Obama was elected and we have all had a nice dose of socialism, this is what has happened. a special election in Virginia gave us a Republican, one in South Carolina gave us a Republican, the special election in Massachusetts gave us Scott Brown, a Republican, the 2010 election brought us a full takeover of the house and most state houses and senates. Than we had the Wiener seat in Queens New York that went republican. We than had last night’s vote. Check out the San Jose Pension vote and the Cal cigarette tax. As a conservative, Obama has been good for America.

    btw I believe that the exit polls were closer than the vote becuase people were afraid to tell the truth about how they felt about the Union thugs. Well don’t be scared any more. They are now a paper tiger.

  103. “the fact that syndicalism is most definitely a left-wing system puts fascism in ITS rightful place…”

    a*******r are you still trying to sell this bill of goods?
    How many more times do you need to be schooled before you learn?

  104. “Dear Dems and LIbs, if Walker wins in Wisconsin, your whole lives are about to change. It is probably time to prepare a resume.”

    You loons crack me up.

  105. “Yup, President Romney it is.”

    Not likely.
    The fascist right had to out spend the Democrats 25 to 1 to keep the crook in the statehouse until he is indited, how much do you nutbars think you will have to spend to re-take the White House?

    And ask yourself this, if the great and all knowing all seeing profits of the business world you all worship are willing to spend that kind of money…..how much are they going to take if and when they buy their way in?

  106. philichi says:

    kluwer : asks “And ask yourself this, if the great and all knowing all seeing profits of the business world you all worship are willing to spend that kind of money…..how much are they going to take if and when they buy their way in? ”

    Lets see Obama raised over $1 billion for his election in 2008. The stimulus package cost us about $800 billion. It went to unions and other friends etc. I would say they got their money’s worth, wouldn’t you?

  107. lylelaws says:


    Were the exit polls you referred to that said Barack Obama had a ten point lead over Romney in Wisconsin the same ones conducted by the liberal media that said that the recall election was a dead heat just hours before Governor Walker won by a ten point margin?

  108. beerBoy says:

    Fine, go ahead and pop your bubbles early…….as for me, I wait till the results are official before I celebrate (not that I would celebrate for either Obama or Romney).

  109. averageJoseph says:

    Stoll L-ingOL at the poll comment. Comedy Gold I tell ya.

    BTW, it was the libs that “popped” early when they heard the one positive outcome of this whole Wisconsin fiasco… “exit polls showed that WI voters still were supporting Obama

  110. averageJoseph says:

    Still :)

  111. Given the results of pre-election and exit polls the wisconsin results, while not impossible, are statistically improbable.

  112. If the exit polls were so inaccurate regarding the outcome of the recall, isn’t it likely they are equally–or more–inaccurate regarding the November election. Think of the “Bradley effect.”

  113. beerBoy says:

    Why is it that exit polls are reliable enough to be used in other countries to determine whether fraud has occurred but in the US we invent all sorts of reasons why they don’t work?

  114. averageJoseph says:

    Really? Are they reliable or not?

  115. Election fraud is the most likely reason – especially when elections are determined by non-accountable touch screen voting.

  116. averageJoseph says:

    “invent all sorts of reasons why they don’t work?”

    Ah, I get it.

    btw, how many times have you leftists stated election fraud is not a problem?

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