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ELECTION: Expect Obama to go negative

Letter by Jerry Rudolph, Olympia on June 1, 2012 at 12:07 pm with 163 Comments »
June 1, 2012 2:21 pm

The economic news is bad (TNT, 6-1). The sequel is predictable. Brace yourself for a host of Obama attack ads against Mitt Romney’s past.

At the same time that he winds down foreign wars, Barack Obama postures as the “national security” president while running ads claiming that his opponent wouldn’t pursue America’s enemies. Next, he will surely claim that Romney wants to disenfranchise minority voters. The attorney general is raising this trial balloon even now.

A campaign based on fear and smear? How 1972. Yet there are sensible reasons for it. Without peace or prosperity to point to, and with an unpopular ongoing foreign war, Obama has none of issues that, say, Bill Clinton ran on. Obama’s present economic record is no better than George Bush the Elder’s, and his 1992 re-election campaign didn’t go well.

The White House has to run a Nixonian re-election campaign or bust. Luckily, Vice President Joe Biden is ideally suited to mouth the sort of shrill partisanship that Spiro Agnew did in Nixon’s day.

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  1. subcaller says:

    I expect all candidates in all races, state and federal, to go negative. It is the way of politics these days. Respectfully debating serious issues will not hold the attention of the legion of idiots holding voter registration cards in America today. The media would not report on such a debate. There must be shouting and name-calling, there must be hate and vitriol, there must be scandal. Elections are no longer carefully considered actions based on policy, candidate principle, and moral compass. They are contests between ad agencies, big money, and media ratings.

  2. “Obama’s present economic record is no better than George Bush the Elder’s”

    In his four years in office, Bush I increased federal spending by 22%. So far, Obama has increased federal spending by about 2.5%. Given the current projections, after four years the estimate is that Obama will increase spending by a grand total of … wait for it … about 8%.

    http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BUDGET-2013-TAB/xls/BUDGET-2013-TAB-1-1.xls

  3. concernedtacoma7 says:

    The already debunked claim that BHO is thrifty. Ha!

    Keep trying to polish up his spending record. No one, even those pushing the rhetoric, believe BHO is frugal.

  4. aislander says:

    Given all the Dems who are jumping off the “good” ship Obama, I’m looking for a possible withdrawal by the immaculated one in favor of, oh–I don’t know–Hillary…

  5. Well, we’ve seen how quickly Romney is forced to blatantly tell lies about Obama. First the lie about an investigation finding irregularities about the Solyndra loan ( Rep Issa (R) is the only person who investigated it and found no faults, and then the lie in the Romney-approved campaign ad claiming Obama said, “if we keep talking about the economy, we are going to lose.” However, it was actually Sen. John McCain who said that little ditty and Obama was quotng him.

    Didn’t take long to underscore the character of Romney – a proven liar now for all to see.

  6. “already debunked claim that BHO is thrifty”

    Prove it, quit deflecting.

  7. Jerry – have you already (Jeremiah Wright) missed the (birth certificate) attacks by (Keyan Muslim) the Romney (affirmative action) Campaign (palling with terrorists) and their (socialist, communist) supporters?

  8. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Larry- you and the other hill tried to repeat that lie last week. 100% debunked. It stems from the marketwatch article, if need a reminder what piece of rhetoric you were pushing that day.

  9. Anyone who thinks either party has a monopoly on truth, integrity and respect hasn’t been paying attention.

  10. quit deflecting and provide proof

  11. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    … Obama has increased federal spending by about 2.5%… blah, balh, blah…

    Well now, elmer, let’s have a look at another graph from the same source. According to:
    Table 1.2—Summary of Receipts, Outlays, and Surpluses or Deficits (-) as Percentages of GDP: 1930–2017
    posted on the White House website by President 0bama’s Office of Management and Budget, there have been only five fiscal years since World War II when federal spending exceeded 24 percent of Gross Domestic Product. These are fiscal year 1946, and… wait for it (LMFAO at lame clichés)… fiscal years 2009, 2010, 2011 and 2012.

    So… in other words… spending when you have it… not OK… spending when you ain’t got it… priceless.

    Geez, elmer, when are you gonna’ give this fallacy up? Truman had a good excuse for his one year – WWII. What’s 0bamas excuse? Oh yeah… that’s right; Bush, LOL.

  12. averageJoseph says:

    Jerry, that’s all Obama has done so far… go negative. Had to laugh at the CNN bimbo trying to get John Sununu to talk about the birth issue.

    Typical lefty m.o., lefty yammers on about the birth certificate and then claims righty is obsessed with it. LMFAO! Sooo transparent.

  13. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Thanks Vox. I find it ridiculous that someone is still using that failed rhetoric/lie.

  14. cite proof and quit deflecting

  15. Let’s see. Reagan tripled the debt. Bush doubled the debt.

    Obama has only added 50% to the debt he inherited (funny how that happens when you pay for the wars instead of hiding the costs).

    Look Ma! No filibuster of bovine excrement.

  16. So, Vox, you cite two years while Dems had the helm on spending and two years while Republicans determined spending.

    The Congress authorizes spending, not the president.

    The Congress also authorizes whether or not we have the revenue for such spending, and that is where we are faling short.

    Obama has not increased spending above the cost of living, but Republicans are making sure we have an increased deficit by not allowing revenue to support it. That is their same tired song they’ve been paying. When are conservatives going to wise up and see that it is Republicans who always drive up the debt by their policies?

  17. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    So, Vox, you cite two years while Dems had the helm on spending and two years while Republicans determined spending.

    Uhmm… well… not exactly, since 2012 is a projection. Therefore, using your… logic, democrat Congress’ can be blamed for all budgets going back to FY 2008. Thus 0bama is empirically responsible for three years where federal spending exceeded 24% of GDP (2009 – 2011) – soon to be four.

    HTH

    BTW, tuddo, you may want to research GDP. GDP (nominal) has nothing to do with the cost of living or the deficit. Those would be red herrings in this discussion.

  18. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    http://www.thestreet.com/story/10959884/national-debt-a-look-at-presidents-tabs.html

    Oooh! That stings!

    Larry… you must be high. Thanks for your support thoutgh.

    From the link:

    Since 1964, the U.S. debt had accelerated fastest under President Ronald Reagan, at an annualized growth rate of 14.18% — a record held until Jan. 20, 2009. Following the inauguration of President Obama, the national debt has grown at an annualized rate of 15.21% — a statistic that might give Democratic leadership pause ahead of an imminent debt-ceiling vote.

    Oh yeah – that’s validation. But in case you’re not convinced, more from linky:

    President Barack Obama

    Jan. 20, 2009: $10,626,877,048,913.08
    Jan. 4, 2011: $14,025,215,218,708.52
    Days in Office: 715
    Compounded Annual Growth Rate: 15.21

    President George W. Bush

    Jan. 20, 2001: $5,727,776,738,304.64
    Jan. 20, 2009: $10,626,877,048,913.08
    Days in Office: 2,922
    Compounded Annual Growth Rate: 8.03%

    LMAO, Bush = nearly 50% less CAGR of debt than 0bama, according to your own source! Oooh that stings!

    Got any more cool links for us Larry?

  19. alindasue says:

    In all these statistics flying back and forth, does anyone have the figures for how much of the “spending” is interest on the debt?

  20. alindasue says:

    By the way, back to the topic of the letter, both sides have already displayed their share of negative campaigning… and that’s just the nomination process!

  21. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Larry, as I said before you lost this last week. Why try again with the same junk?

    Thanks again Vox. Next up will be proving most of 09’s spending was BHO/Nancy/TARP (repaid, covering 10’s overspending).

    It was nice to see a Bush in the People’s House today. Jeb in 2020!

  22. aislander says:

    The Dems controlled Congress (and I don’t want to hear the lie that it takes sixty votes in the Senate to control Congress. That makes it more difficult, but the majority party sets the agenda, controls committees, etc.) since 2007 up until the Republicans took the house starting in 2011.

    SO, let’s take a look at the deficits leading up to the Pelosi/Reid axis and the the deficits after the Dems took over… http://home.adelphi.edu/sbloch/deficits.html

    And–mirabile dictu!–I guess I must agree with tuddo: Congress DOES set spending levels.

    But, with a President whose foot is on the accelerator and not the brake, we have budget (WHAT budget?) busting accomplices!

  23. beerBoy says:

    Given that Mitt had to go negative to win the nomination, I can see nothing positive happening during this campaign season.

  24. “there have been only five fiscal years since World War II when federal spending exceeded 24 percent of Gross Domestic Product.”

    Nice cherry-picking to arbitrarily pick 24% and avoid WWII. Think anyone noticed?

  25. menopaws says:

    Let me get this straight. the socialist, communist, Muslim, terrorist supporter who is nit citizen is going negative?????Give me a break. the Republicans have called him all of these names and more. From Day One their smear campaign was in full throttle. So, writer, beware….there are numerous file tapes of “reputable’ Republicans playing in the slime and the mud…and some of them go back to the day after Obama was inagurated……….Glass houses and stones comes to mind here. I admire him for finally fighting back!!

  26. Well now, Daffy, the debt has grown more under Obama. But, as I’ve already proven, it wasn’t because of a huge increase in spending. In case you missed book-keeping 101, there are two sides to every balance sheet: revenue and expenses. Expenses haven’t increase much under Obama, so the obvious cause of the debt increase is a huge decrease in revenue. That’s what happens during a recession.

    In FY2007, the last fiscal year before the recession, federal revenues were $2.6 trillion, up about 7% from the previous year. In FY2010 (the last completed fiscal year), they were $2.3 trillion. The OMB estimates that revenues won’t be back to their pre-recession levels until FY2013.

    As you said, Truman had the “excuse” of WWII. But you overlook something that’s equally significant. It’s the fact that despite a bigger debt (as % of GDP) then, the economy didn’t collapse. It won’t this time either.

  27. Obama’s crew is jumping ship, one survivor at a time. Either he will rein them in and regain their loyalty or he’s in trouble. Seems good sense has leaked into the dem party.

  28. SwordofPerseus says:

    Ehil, Larry; Don’t bother confusing the issue with facts and truth; it will only make Pox, Conc7, zozo, ‘slander et all go more nuts than they already are. They have had their minds made up for them. False talking points with the FOX seal of approval. Marching orders laid out which cannot be changed even in the face of glaring contradictions and evidence to the contrary…they will persist passionately, it’s what they do.

  29. averageJoseph says:

    LOL, besides namecalling and deflection, sword, have you anything of substance to refute the 4 you referenced?
    Any casual observer would note it isn’t them that is going “nuts”.

  30. averageJoseph says:

    Can anyone link a positive Obama campaign ad?

  31. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    I’ve already proven, it wasn’t because of a huge increase in spending.

    Okay, elmer, I’ll play along for a minute… just long enough to run a hypothetical by you – even though your so-called proof has been overwhelmingly refuted by the credible media, including by such.. uh-hum, right-leaning sources as the Washington Post, ABC News, The New York Times (by ignoring it), etc.

    And speaking of ignoring, we’ll ignore the fact that the methodology you and Rex Nutting prefer, rolls-in the extra 410 Billion that 0bama and the democrat congress tacked onto the FY 2009 omnibus spending bill. And we’ll not mention how they glaringly include the $825 billion stimulus bill, proposed, lobbied for, signed and spent by Obama – and then take that 1.2 TRILLION + and brazenly and falsely attach it to the last “Bush budget”, thus making their inflated FY 2009 budget, plus the Stimulus, their baseline from 2010 to 2013 (?).

    Yes, we”ll ignore all of that for the sake of argument here. Because I just have a couple hypothetical questions, love to hear your reaction:

    Let’s say that the Senate hadn’t rejected 0bama’s last two budget proposals by a combined vote of 196 to 0(bama), and the House hadn’t also unanimously rejected them too. Lets say his 3.8 Trillion dollar FY 2012 and similar FY 2013 budgets had been approved – as he obviously desired. Two questions:

    1) Where would that put him on the spending ladder now?
    2) Does the fact he even had the gall to submit such ridiculous requests not tell you a bit about his nature?

  32. Vox, if you are going to play the GDP game, then let’s look at what we can credit Obama for in his term. (If you are going to credit Obama for spending bills, then you have to credit him for the big reduction in tax liability, too.)

    During George Bush’s terms, the total tax revenue for the federal government as a percentage of GDP varied from a low of 9.85% to a high of 12.51%, with an average of about 11%.

    During Obama’s term, it has ranged from 8.28% to 8.96% with an average of 8.62%, about 2.5% less than Bush’s.

    Less revenue is the big key to the current deficit, not more spending. Its a fact as plain and simple as anything can be.

  33. averageJ, would you take the WSJ’s word for it that Obama’s campaign is running positive campaign ads?

    Some of the PACs that support Dems may have gone negative, but Obama is putting his own campaign money into positive ads.

    http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2012/05/07/obama-campaign-ad-highlights-first-term-challenges-record/

  34. “Let’s say…”

    Sorry, I don’t play make-believe. But don’t let that stop you.

  35. took14theteam says:

    Hey Vox, what was that new acronym you created to use when someone inserts FOX into the conversation?

  36. took14theteam says:

    ehill, from your buddy….

    quit deflecting and provide proof

  37. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    That would be GLC#2 (Godwin’s Law Corollary # 2).

    HTH

    I generally ignore swop’s posts, so I missed that one.

  38. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    Let’s say someone doesn’t have an answer, so I’ll help out; by his own budget requests alone 0bama has shown himself to be the biggest spending wanna-be ever to occupy the Oval Office. Any fool… well most any fool could see what his budget requests would have done to his already-record high spending history if the dems would have held onto the House in 2010.

    A leopard doesn’t change his spots.

  39. “A campaign based on fear and smear? How 1972.”

    Yes I too expect another republican campaign based on fear and smear, they have done nothing else since 1972!
    Just read the comments/lies from the righties in this thread alone for you proof!

  40. “0bama has shown himself to be the biggest spending wanna-be ever to occupy the Oval Office.”

    Easy to spot the rightwing lies.

  41. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    Less revenue is the big key to the current deficit, not more spending.

    If that were completely true, then why didn’t the 111th Congress take steps to increase the revenue stream when the dems controlled both houses of Congress, and the presidency?

    And correct me if I’m wrong, but wouldn’t a stronger economy lead to higher revenues? So why did 0bama and the 111th Congress waste nearly two years on 0bamacare instead of fixing the economy? After all, he’s the smartest 0ne to ever occupy the seat at the Resolute Desk.

    Then there’s this:

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57400369-503544/national-debt-has-increased-more-under-obama-than-under-bush/

    This year will also mark another dubious milestone for the 0ne; a record fourth consecutive Trillion dollar deficit. Of course… prior to his taking office there had never been a one consecutive year of trillion dollar deficits, but he now has four more… dubious records to place on his mantel.

    Yeah, he’s the “spendthrift” president, LOL.

  42. Vox, you don’t remember the outcry from Republicans about tax increases? Obama was naive and thought that the Republican leadership’s promise to compromise was sincere. However, after he gave them the extrension to the Bush tax cuts, Republicans turned on him and refused to cooperate on anything. First the Senate filibusters and then stalling procedures in the House until 2010.

    You can’t change history anjd facts by asking rhetorical questions that actually ahve a real answer.

    The answer is that trickle down economics does not work and has not worked. Lower taxes and putting a lid on spending does not help a country get out of a severe recessin/depression. laying ioff hundreds of thousands of government workers does n ot increase middle-class spending or confidence in the economy. Laying off hundreds of thousands of government employees does not help anything except the unemployment rate go up.

    We have tried everything the right wing wants us to gtry – fewer government employees- historically low tax rates, lowering spending at the state levels and putting a lid on spending at the federal level and the economy continues to worsen.

    More of the same Republican remedies will be like giving more quaaludes to an already comotose victim.

  43. averageJoseph says:

    Kooky Tuddo, the blog you cited stated Axlerod stated “the Obama camp plans to spend $25 million over the next month on this and other ads intended to spotlight the president’s record.”

    You stated “… Obama’s campaign is running positive campaign ads”

    So the question remains…

  44. Yeah, he’s the “spendthrift” president, LOL.

    “spend·thrift [ spénd thrìft ] extravagant spender: somebody who spends money recklessly or extravagantly
    wasteful with money: tending to spend money recklessly or extravagantly”

    It appears someone is not aware who the joke really is.

    BTW – isn’t Congress responsible for spending?

  45. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    Tud, please, if 0bama and the 111th managed to get 0bamacare through over near unanimous Republican objections, and overwhelmingly negative polling numbers, they had plenty of opportunity to foist new tax increases on us as well.

    In their smugness and arrogance over the myth that was the ’06 and ’08 elections, they thought they could do whatever they wanted.

    Heck, they could even have voted to allow the Bush tax cuts to sunset in the lame duck session at the end of 2010. They didn’t.

    Seems you’re the one who needs to vitamin B up – good for the memory ‘ya know.

  46. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    Yeah, he’s the “spendthrift” president, LOL.

    I’m sorry, something inaccurate about that statement, Larry.

    Shouldn’t you be focusing on lyrics or some other really important content in my posts?

  47. Vox….nothing like making a fool of oneself.

    Keep up the good work.

    I think I’ll archive that one and do a “LFAJ” on you every once in awhile.

  48. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Great job Larry! Small victory in a lost war.

    You will go down any rabbit hole to avoid discussing real issues.

  49. “Obama’s crew is jumping ship, one survivor at a time.”

    You’ve been parroting this lie for years, do you have any evidence at all or are you just making it up?

  50. “You will go down any rabbit hole to avoid discussing real issues.”

    Hypocrisy, the right loves to define it with every post.

  51. “if 0bama and the 111th managed to get 0bamacare through over near unanimous Republican objections, and overwhelmingly negative polling numbers, they had plenty of opportunity to foist new tax increases on us as well.”

    But the fact is they CUT taxes!
    If you try to make the claim they raised them you are nothing but the liar we all know you to be.

  52. “The answer is that trickle down economics does not work and has not worked. Lower taxes and putting a lid on spending does not help a country get out of a severe recessin/depression. laying ioff hundreds of thousands of government workers does n ot increase middle-class spending or confidence in the economy. Laying off hundreds of thousands of government employees does not help anything except the unemployment rate go up.”

    Even a*******r agrees!
    She said herself that “taking money out of the economy is an insane way to stimulate the economy”!
    I’m sure she didn’t mean to tell the truth and she quickly ran from her own words but she did say it!

  53. Can anyone name a conservative idea that works?

  54. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Wallpaper 101.

  55. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    I think I’ll archive that one and do a “LFAJ” on you every once in awhile.

    Oooh, Larry’s threatens to go all negative on me, LMAO.

    Better come armed with a few new aliasses [intentional and appropriate misspelling, FYI, Larry], the mods don’t like rules breakers – especially the cut-and-paste archived posts variety.

    But that’s okay, you can always save it to your desktop and read it every once in a while (whatever it takes to get you jollies off).

  56. took14theteam says:

    I need to pop some more popcorn to go along with the entertainment from the leftists spinning and twisting defending Hollywood Obama.

    When Bush was president, the left blamed him for everything. Now that their guy is president, nothing is his fault. It is all the fault of Congress. What a crock….

    LLAO

  57. “quit deflecting and provide proof “

    Glad to. When you start off with “Lets say…”, you’re not delaing with reality.

    You’re welcome.

  58. “When Bush was president, the left blamed him for everything. Now that their guy is president, nothing is his fault. It is all the fault of Congress. What a crock….”

    When Bush was president, the wrong-wing blamed all the division in the country on those unpatriotic people who dared to with a sitting President. now that a Democrat is President, they blame all the division on the President.

    Do you guys get dizzy from all that spinning you do?

  59. took14theteam says:

    …those unpatriotic people who dared to with a sitting President.

    Dared to what, ehill?

  60. averageJoseph says:

    I think we are at a point where even the entertainment value has been lost.

  61. “Better come armed with a few new aliasses [intentional and appropriate misspelling, FYI, Larry]”

    Yes, if I’m going to do a “LFAJ”, you’re right, I need a few new “aliasses”

    I see CT is carrying water for Vox….

    You might get a real job with some training.

    Did “Took” ever address the subject of this thread or just snipe like usual?

  62. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    When Bush was president, the wrong-wing blamed all the division in the country on those unpatriotic people who dared to with a sitting President. now that a Democrat is President, they blame all the division on the President.

    Do you guys get dizzy from all that spinning you do?

    Uhhh… do you get dizzy from all the drinkin’ you been doing?

  63. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    Larry, you got a lot of catchin’ up to do.

  64. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    “Because that’s how you play the game in Washington. If you can’t beat your opponent’s ideas, you distort those ideas and maybe make some up. If you don’t have a record to run on, then you paint your opponent as someone people should run away from. You make a big election about small things.”

    Barack Hussein 0bama
    Canton Ohio
    October 27, 2008

    Uh-huh. Which is it 0bama fans; a lesson learned well, or business as usual for the 0ne?

  65. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    Oh he’ll stay negative, but after the conventions his lackeys in the MSM will pick up the water buckets for him – just like in 2008.

    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2008/10/study-coverage-of-mccain-much.html

  66. Wallpaper 101.

  67. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    Paneling, klu. Just covering over your hideous paisley print with clean, natural fact.

  68. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    Trying again, with otherwise accurate descriptive text from 6/2/12 @ 3:21 PM post deleted so as to not run afoul of sensors:

    I think I’ll archive that one and do a “LFAJ” on you every once in awhile.

    Oooh, Larry’s threatens to go all negative on me, *LOL.

    Better come armed with a few new *aliases, the mods don’t like rules breakers – especially the cut-and-paste archived posts variety.

    But that’s okay, you can always save it to your desktop and read it every once in a while (whatever it takes to get you *jollies).

    * Sanitized to fit your sensibilities.

  69. How much would anyone like to bet that Obama is taken out of context in that quote of October 2008?

    Wanna bet he was talking about the Republicans, but his quote was edited to make it sound like he was talking about a plan?

    I’m laying up $100. Any takers?

  70. Once again, we have caught the conservatives misquoting President Obama:

    So look, Ohio, we have tried it John McCain’s way. We have tried it George Bush’s way. And deep down — deep down, Senator McCain knows that, which is why his campaign said that “if we keep talking about the economy, we’re going to lose.” (Applause.) That’s why he’s spending these last weeks calling me every name in the book — (boos) — because that’s how you play the game in Washington. If you can’t beat your opponent’s ideas, you distort those ideas and maybe make some up. (Boos, applause.) If you don’t have a record to run on, then you paint your opponent as someone people should run away from. You make — you make a big election about small things.

    Why do they make up these lies???????

  71. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    And, as usual, that whooshing sound is another salient point sailing right over Larry’s size 28 flat cap.

    If you’re looking for “context”, Larry, then why did you leave out my question?

    Never mind. Obviously that sailed over your head too.

    So let’s see if we can help with your… comprehension problem – stay with me now, Larry:

    I post quote followed by question; to wit:

    Which is it 0bama fans; a lesson learned well, or business as usual for the 0ne?

    Now, once, for the dim-witted, let’s explain the choices offered in the question:

    1) “a lesson well learned”, meaning he’s learned to play the game exactly as he described it back in ’08, or
    2) “business as usual for the 0ne”, meaning he was being as hypocritical back then as he is right now.

    Oh, now for the irony; it’s a rhetorical question since post ’08 election studies showed that 0bama went negative more than McCain.

    http://cltampa.com/dailyloaf/archives/2012/02/08/obama-2008-the-most-negative-tv-ad-campaign-ever-politifact-says-mostly-true#.T8uI6Y44020

    Correct answer: Hypocrite.

    You savvy now Larry?

    Geez.

  72. The president has gone from messiah to mess in 3 1/2 years. Many in his own ranks are, in fact, distancing themselves from him. It’s called survivor instinct. He wasn’t cut out to be president, perhaps he’d have made an excellent press secretary. His vision for America is warped and dangerous. I may not be a big fan of Mitt Romney, but his vision for our country is much closer to my own and so, of course, I will vote for him. I was prepared to vote for any candidate who effectively challenges the president’s vision.

  73. Between the filibuster and the cheerleading rhetoric, I don’t know which is more embarrassing for the conservatives.

    Caught red-handed in a contexual lie and now trying to wiggle out of it

    ::::shaking head in disgust:::::

  74. Do they think that this stuff isn’t available on the internet to prove that they lie?

  75. Since out of context quotes are vogue, I’ll make my selection from Obama’s quote…in reference to sozo’s series of baseless assertions:

    “That’s why he’s spending these last weeks calling me every name in the book”

    In addition, for those who attempt to paint Obama as a “left-wing whatever”

    Bill Maher:

    [Obama] didn’t go on a spending spree. He didn’t break up the too-big-to-fail banks. They’ve only gotten bigger. And fail-ier. That’s not what liberals wanted. That’s what conservatives wanted.

    At the 2008 convention, Sarah Palin chanted “drill baby drill!” Under Obama, there’s more drilling than ever. That’s not what environmentalists wanted. That’s what conservatives wanted.

    Obama spent most of last year conceding the Republican premise that government needed cutting. That’s not what progressives wanted. That’s what the Tea Party wanted.

    The Dow was at 7949 when he took office. Now it’s 12000 and over, and corporate profits are at their highest ever. If he’s a socialist, he’s a lousy one. He could not be less threatening if he was walking home with ice tea and Skittles.

    So the question remains. How could you guys be so unhappy with Obama while I’m so unhappy with Obama? You think you got coal in your stocking? I wanted single payer health care, a carbon emissions bill, gun control and legalized pot. If you get to carry around all this outrage over me getting that sh*t, shouldn’t I have gotten it?

    So just admit it. This isn’t about what Obama is. it’s about what you need him to be. Because hating him is what gets you up in the morning.”

    Read more: http://www.towleroad.com/2012/05/bill-maher-on-hating-obama-video.html#ixzz1wkT8Jwvu

  76. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    Larry, I’m not claiming to be the “smartest man who ever lived” because if I did I’d probably have Holder’s goons on my doorstep tomorrow. But if I were as witless as you, I would have left out the reference to the speech location and date, assuming that no one would be able to find the quote on the interweb. But, since I didn’t…

    Anyway, keep trying, Larry, because while it doesn’t make your hat size any larger, desperate still looks good on you.

  77. More deflection for the attempted lie.

  78. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    LMAO, Larry, if you’re going to try accusing someone of using your tactics, at least you could quote the speech text correctly:

    Look – we’ve tried it John McCain’s way. We’ve tried it George Bush’s way. Deep down, Senator McCain knows that, which is why his campaign said that “if we keep talking about the economy, we’re going to lose.” That’s why he’s spending these last weeks calling me every name in the book. Because that’s how you play the game in Washington. If you can’t beat your opponent’s ideas, you distort those ideas and maybe make some up. If you don’t have a record to run on, then you paint your opponent as someone people should run away from. You make a big election about small things.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/27/us/politics/27text-obama.html?_r=1&pagewanted=print

  79. Vox, that is one reason why Obama, unlike Romney is presenting positive ads. Its too bad that it just seems negative when you point out the facts about Romney: he was a failure as a Governor and was a destroyer of the middle class jobs for many people in America.

    Obama is taking the high road, while the only thing Romney has going for him is the lies his campaign makes up and the lies Fox News tries to foist on America.

  80. One statement that comes from Fox directly is often quoted on these threads. sozo was the altest, but there are numerous others: “Many in his own ranks are, in fact, distancing themselves from him.”

    I heard that on Fox with no specifics, and then pundits on Fox pointed out West Virginia, Kentucky and Arkansas primaries. The real facts came out through interviews and polls after the votes. These rural white conservative Democrats had voted against him in 2008, also. They do not want a black president any more than Southern Republicans do. They never were one of Obama’s “own ranks”.

    I laugh when people quote directly from Fox, but then get all riled up and say they aren’t when they are caught quoting non-factual propaganda.

    Please, if someone thinks I am wrong, name the people in Obama’s “own ranks” that are distancing themselves from him.

  81. aislander says:

    More than a few Dems–Bill Clinton–included are contradicting the Obama campaign’s line of attack on Bain Capital.

    Since that has been the main theme of the Obama campaign of late, I would call that “distancing…”

  82. aislander says:

    Should have read: “–Bill Clinton included–“

  83. aislander says:

    And let us not ignore that Arthur Davis of Alabama, an African-American congressman who was elected as a Democratic, crossed over and became a Republican last week.

    THAT’S distancing!

  84. aislander says:

    Sorry: that’s Artur Davis…

  85. still squirming…..LOL

    There is only one person that I know of who is so insistant on being “right” contrary to how wrong they are…..

    There are no attacks on Bain, by the way. No need for them. Just tell the story and let people draw their own conclusion.

  86. averageJoseph says:

    Hey Vox, have you noticed how the one who claims he’s being stalked keeps coming back for more. I LOL about it everytime he tailgates someone.
    .
    Great points aislander.

  87. averageJoseph says:

    … and he’s lousy at making predictions too.

  88. aislander says:

    So…why are ALL those Dems defending Bain, if there have been no attacks? Hmmmm?

  89. took14theteam says:

    And we have another GLC#2, courtesy of tuddo.

    ;-)

  90. Coming back to see which lie will be told next is now “stalking”…LLAO

    More lies and squirming.

    We all know that stalking is following a person from website to website and living on their personal site as well as running search engines to find them on other sites, since they have a public personna.

    Who was Joe stalking with the two visits at 12:05 and 12:15?

    I love it when you nail them to the wall and they still try to wiggle.

    “So…why are ALL those Dems defending Bain, if there have been no attacks?”

    Now THERE is a wonderful assertion with no facts to support it. If you are wondering why Corey Booker defended Bain, look at his campaign fund. Aside from that who is “all those”??????

  91. Here is the “Bain attack”.

    No birth certificate claims, no Kenyan Muslim, no palling with terrorists, no Jeremiah Wright.

    Just a bunch of workers whose lives were affected by Bain.

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/05/obamas-bain-ad-like-watching-an-old-friend-bleed-to-123343.html

  92. aislander, good example. I’ll give you one. People around Artur Davis say that after losing the governor’s race and a senate race and several other races in Alabama as a Democratic candidate, he realized that Democrats cannot win state-wide elections in Alabama.

    Even though he did support Obama in 2008, he voted against almost every administration initiative and against the Black Caucus positions, even on their strongest issues like healthcare reform. So, it wasn’t much change for him, since he had been voting Republican sides when he was a Representative.

    A black conservative changing to Republican in the South is big news, I’ll grant you that, for whatever reason.

    And, of course, if you are going to go Republican, you have to join the anti-Obama game or be left out when support time comes. We’ll see how he does as a Republican. If he talks bad about Obama enough, then he might get some support from that party.

    And, took14, “GLC#2″ is a new one for me. I couldn’t find it in a texting dictionary or the Urban Dictionary. So, enlighten my ignorance, please.

  93. averageJoseph says:

    LOL… I wonder why he assumed I was talking about him?
    Any more predictions?

  94. aislander says:

    Bill Clinton and Deval Patrick both spoke up for Bain, to name two prominent Dems. James Carville, as well…

  95. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Another leftist nut begins to distance

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/03/opinion/sunday/dowd-dreaming-of-a-superhero.html?_r=1&ref=opinion

    Larry, only you call him Muslim. That is not in the nation conversation. Wright is a real story. The story of how fast BHO will ditch his mentor for political purposes. Hanging with terrorists? Bill A is a piece of garbage. What is your point? Romney has not commented on any of this.

    Let’s face it, he let his bio read ‘born in Keyna’ until 2007. Just to sell a few extra books and be different. Why didn’t it say ‘raised by a bank exec in the best private schools’?

  96. Bill Clinton – “this is good work”.

    You know, much like Vox misquoted Obama earlier, conservatives are taking four words said by Bill Clinton and making it an issue.

    As I said….the Bain ad is what it is…let the people decide. Maybe a person like Bill Clinton thinks Bain’s work is “good”. Bill Clinton is one vote. How many middle class Americans want to be bankrupted out of their job by someone like Bain? How many middle class Americans will think that Bain does “good work”?

    You can always depend on the conservatives to misconstrue an issue.

    As to the brain dead:

    “Obama’s former literary agency misidentified his birthplace as Kenya while trying to promote the then-Harvard Law grad as an author in 1991.

    According to a promotional booklet produced by the agency, Acton & Dystel, to showcase its roster of writers, Obama was “born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii.”

    Miriam Goderich edited the text of the bio; she is now a partner at the Dystel & Goderich agency, which lists Obama as one of its current clients.

    “This was nothing more than a fact checking error by me–an agency assistant at the time,” Goderich wrote in an emailed statement to Yahoo News. “There was never any information given to us by Obama in any of his correspondence or other communications suggesting in any way that he was born in Kenya and not Hawaii. I hope you can communicate to your readers that this was a simple mistake and nothing more.”

    Might as well keep pushing the false story, though, that’s the way the game is played.

  97. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    Vox, that is one reason why Obama, unlike Romney is presenting positive ads.

    Uh… okay… except that you’re missing the whole point of this LTE, tuddo.

    0bama has been getting increasing criticism from within his own party and some of his friends in the media for going negative early on Romney. Well… to be accurate, his side wants him to hold off on the heavy negative attacks until after the conventions… which is exactly what he did last time. I guess their reasoning is twofold; (1) the 0bama attacks have all backfired or failed so far – miserably, and (2) by waiting until it’s closer to election time, it will appear that he’s taken the moral high road, and no one will notice the attacks as much then as they do now (saturation effect).

    But the trouble with reason 2 is that everyone knows 0bama’s campaign style now, and that, in the end, he ran more negative stuff that did McCain in’08. So given that, I think he’s trying to go negative early – kinda’ stay ahead of the curve. And the trouble with that? See reason #1.

  98. Vox, but the fact is Obama is not going negative. Its just people like you who think telling the truth about Romney and his actions means its negative.

    Politifact, the always-supporter of conservative “facts” that Fox gthen uses as talking points, spins the actual research as “mostly true” about Obama’s 2008 campaign being more negative than McCains.

    The actual research that they base this on says something different. It says

    Citing a study written by University of Missouri professor William Benoit, Politifact’s Amy Sherman writes:

    “If you look at the content of the ads to see what they were saying, it was really about the same,’’ in terms of what percentage were negative, Benoit said.

    Obama had more money so he ran the same ads more often in prime time than McCain was able to and put them out on the internet more often, so Politifact counted the number of times the ads ran to say that Obama’s campaign was more negative, although the researcher said the two cmpaigns were equal in negative content.

  99. concernedtacoma7 says:

    What is there for BHO to spin positive? Recovery? Nope. Unemployment? Nope? Hope and change? Nope. Socialism and Blame.

    All he has is OBL. That is it, and the way he made that event political make turn it as a negative. His victory laps do not hide what a mess this admin is.

    Once again, what can he do? Romney can sell a positive message. BHO cannot.

  100. concernedtacoma7 says:

    And GLC#2.

  101. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    Larry, can the juvenile lies. No one believes your propaganda – not even your own acolytes. I’ve already shown that if anyone “misquoted 0bama” it was you.

    Just like all of 0bama’s negative messages about Romney, the ‘ol “repeat a lie often enough” routine won’t work for you either.

    Romney as corporate raider at Bain Capital, Romney as enemy of women, Romney as friend of birthers, Romney as failed governor, etc, etc, etc, ad infinitum. Not working (Romney’s closed the RCP average polling gap from +6 for 0bama to + 1.5 since the negative crap started). And neither do your phony-baloney attacks on the use of lyrics, words, and speech quotes. Like 0bama, you just keep falling in the polls and looking more desperate and despicable by the moment, because BS is “all you got” (George Foreman says “hi”).

    What’s next? Spelling and grammar attacks?

  102. “Why do they make up these lies???????”

    What else have they got?
    Besides do you really think, at this point, that the conservatives posting here have the brains to look things up on their own?
    They just take whatever they are fed by the far right media and they swallow it whole, then puke it back up and expect everyone else to swallow it like they did.

  103. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    ai, don’t forget Corey Booker.

  104. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Larry had to phone in help. Come Klu, use some facts or quotes from credible sources. Stop whining. Be better.

  105. “Larry, can the juvenile lies. No one believes your propaganda – not even your own acolytes. I’ve already shown that if anyone “misquoted 0bama” it was you.

    Just like all of 0bama’s negative messages about Romney, the ‘ol “repeat a lie often enough” routine won’t work for you either.”

    Man oh man!
    You really nailed the definition of hypocrisy with that one!!
    Considering if followed a long list of out right lies posted by the usual nutters, ct7 and a*******r!
    Way to go!

  106. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    Vox, but the fact is Obama is not going negative. Its just people like you who think telling the truth about Romney and his actions means its negative.

    Ohhh, I get it… in order to not be “negative”, it must be true, LOL. I think you’re a bit naive there. tuddo.

    Besides, nearly every negative ad 0bama has run has been thoroughly exposed for their gross inaccuracy. Does the name GS Technologies strike a familiar chord? That would be the steel mill in Kansas City that Romney supposedly sucked dry in one of 0bamas ads. Trouble is, Romney had been gone from Bain for 2 years prior to the closing of GS. And since the ad was first run, many ex-employees of GS have spoken up on behalf of Bain Capital.

    But if you prefer to call that positive truth telling, there’ no hope in arguing with you.

  107. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    Not to worry, cT, the klueless one’s posts are reside in my fly-over country. But I’d be remiss in not acknowledging that there is at least one chirp still willing to kiss Larry’s pinky ring.

  108. aislander says:

    Calling something a lie without showing why it’s a lie is not only dishonest, it is proof of stupidity…

    If one is going to use “lie” or “liar” in a post, he had better be willing and able to back it up.

    Otherwise, you’re not fooling anyone…

  109. took14theteam says:

    Don’t forget the other Hill. Ewwee. Wouldn’t that be incest?

    :-)

  110. took14theteam says:

    That was in response to vox sating that Mrs. Kluwless is ready and able to kiss the ring of Mr big head LarryH.

  111. took14theteam says:

    “stating that”

    So that sum here don’t get their panties in a wad….

  112. So….do we have any more misquotes of President Obama?

    Maybe there is a “one a day” limit.

  113. The assertion –
    Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:
    June 2, 2012 at 9:17 pm “Because that’s how you play the game in Washington. If you can’t beat your opponent’s ideas, you distort those ideas and maybe make some up. If you don’t have a record to run on, then you paint your opponent as someone people should run away from. You make a big election about small things.”
    Barack Hussein 0bama
    Canton Ohio
    October 27, 2008

    The True Quote:

    “Look – we’ve tried it John McCain’s way. We’ve tried it George Bush’s way. Deep down, Senator McCain knows that, which is why his campaign said that “if we keep talking about the economy, we’re going to lose.” That’s why he’s spending these last weeks calling me every name in the book. Because that’s how you play the game in Washington. If you can’t beat your opponent’s ideas, you distort those ideas and maybe make some up. If you don’t have a record to run on, then you paint your opponent as someone people should run away from. You make a big election about small things.”

    Why do they constantly misrepresent what the President said? Do they think we are stupid enough be believe them?

  114. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Why do you deny his hypocracy? Move on.

    If I was a dem, I would give up on defending the man and work on party principles. He is a challenge to defend.

  115. aislander says:

    The Dems have principles!!!!????

    Who knew?

  116. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    Keep twistin’ and stretchin’ Larry, Chubby Checker and Gumby are impressed, and we’re all amused.

    Of course, no one is ruling out ignorance.

    When do you start with the spelling and grammar flames?

  117. aislander says:

    In ’08 the Dem party hack in the person of LuckyCharm was all about pushing and personifying the “hope and change” mantra, as well as refuting to the degree possible any allegations raised against Obama and his “program”–such as it was.

    This cycle there is no defense for the indefensible, and the strategy is sowing doubt and confusion in the minds of those whose interest in politics waxes and wains with presidential elections. The resident lefties are not trying to win arguments with us, but to prevent our arguments from taking hold in the minds of undecided voters.

    So, it’s time for them to muddy the waters with any material available, true or false, pertinent or unrelated; smear while denying they are smearing.

    I’m going to ignore those tendentious posts as much as I can and keep my eye (and keyboard) on the prize.

  118. Vox….are you claiming that you didn’t post what I copied and pasted?

    A simple “yes” or “no” will do.

    This doesn’t required a filibuster

    Maybe I need to get the “copy and paste” feature on my computer repaired.

  119. Let’s see if it works right this time…

    Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:
    June 2, 2012 at 9:17 pm “Because that’s how you play the game in Washington. If you can’t beat your opponent’s ideas, you distort those ideas and maybe make some up. If you don’t have a record to run on, then you paint your opponent as someone people should run away from. You make a big election about small things.”
    Barack Hussein 0bama
    Canton Ohio
    October 27, 2008

    But the problem is…..there is a whole bunch of text missing from Obama’s REAL quote from Canton, OH. on October 27, 2008.

  120. Principles?

    Hacking quotes to misrepresent them is “principles”? Boy, could I have some fun.

    Here is what aislander said about Republican tactics:

    aislander says:
    June 3, 2012 at 5:46 pm There is no defense for the indefensible, and the strategy is sowing doubt and confusion in the minds of those whose interest in politics waxes and wains with presidential elections

  121. averageJoseph says:

    “In ’08 the Dem party hack in the person of LuckyCharm was all about pushing and personifying the “hope and change” mantra
    .
    for example…

    It all boils down to this

    Submitted by LuckyCharm on November 7, 2008 – 12:51pm.

    We can argue till we’re blue in the face about Bush’s economic policies, and what role his tax cuts played in revenue generation, and how much revenue would have been generated without them, etc. etc. It’s all pure speculation. The only thing we know for sure is that Bush took a budget surplus, and in eight years, turned it into a record deficit. If your financial advisor had done the same with your money, wouldn’t you have fired him long ago?

    After eight years of Bush, I am more than ready for the opposite. I want a scholar, not the village idiot. Someone with a little dignity and class, not the class clown. A truth-teller, not a bald-faced liar. Someone who pledges to use our military forces judiciously, not throw them into a meat grinder where we faced no threat in the first place and then mismanage the thing so horribly that one despairs of ever extricating ourselves with our national honor intact. A man who actually respects the Constitution instead of treating it as just another impediment to his coveted dictatorship. A leader who actually listens to the people he’s sworn to serve, not one who arrogantly boasts that he’s “The Decider.”

    And now my wish has come true. Hallelujah! The world can finally breathe again….

    ~~Cheryl
    …….

    AND >

    Uh-oh!! Obama’s political appointees

    Submitted by LuckyCharm on November 6, 2008 – 7:14am.

    Looks like a few people are going to get a rude awakening from our new president-elect. It appears ambassadorships and other posts may not be for sale anymore! So if you bundled oodles of money for the Obama campaign, you’d better also have some kind of experience or qualification if you want a job as ambassador to France or something! Darn, that’s the one I was angling for (I got a 10 out of 10 for volunteer activity on his website)…. Sucks when you elect a guy who actually keeps his promises…. Guess I’ll start unpacking my bags now.

    ~~Cheryl
    .

  122. It looks like Frank Burns has thrown in the towel

  123. “Obama didn’t go on a spending spree. He didn’t break up the too-big-to-fail banks. They’ve only gotten bigger. And fail-ier. That’s not what liberals wanted. That’s what conservatives wanted.
    At the 2008 convention, Sarah Palin chanted “drill baby drill!” Under Obama, there’s more drilling than ever. That’s not what environmentalists wanted. That’s what conservatives wanted.
    Obama spent most of last year conceding the Republican premise that government needed cutting. That’s not what progressives wanted. That’s what the Tea Party wanted.
    The Dow was at 7949 when he took office. Now it’s 12000 and over, and corporate profits are at their highest ever. If he’s a socialist, he’s a lousy one. He could not be less threatening if he was walking home with ice tea and Skittles.
    So the question remains. How could you guys be so unhappy with Obama while I’m so unhappy with Obama? You think you got coal in your stocking? I wanted single payer health care, a carbon emissions bill, gun control and legalized pot. If you get to carry around all this outrage over me getting that sh*t, shouldn’t I have gotten it?
    So just admit it. This isn’t about what Obama is. it’s about what you need him to be. Because hating him is what gets you up in the morning.”

    Read more: http://www.towleroad.com/2012/05/bill-maher-on-hating-obama-video.html#ixzz1wkT8Jwvu

    This is why they hate Bill Maher. He says the things they can’t deny.

  124. averageJoseph says:

    The dollar is worth half and the dow is less than double… kooky. AND… it’s really about a 3 letter word… jobs.
    According to Preston Hill wall street getting richer under Obama is good. Huh…

  125. I wonder how much money Romney lost on the stock market since Obama took over.

    According to JoeyDeepends Romney is broke.

  126. “dow is less than double”

    They just keep making it up as they go.

  127. “either too stupid to get the original post or blatantly disingenuous in your false representations of it – or both.”

    Copy/paste don’t lie.

    Hand in cookie jar syndrome.

  128. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Larry, stop deflecting!

    Is Barry responsiblie for any gain/loss in the stock market? Price of oil? Gold?

  129. CT7 – think you for proving that you are a total right wing hypocrite.

    After all your posts blaming Obama for everything problem we face you have the blad face audicity to now claim he is not.

  130. aislander says:

    I gotta ask, xring: he is not WHAT?

  131. aislander – for all your pretend intelect, you sure can get ignorant when you want.

  132. xring – that is to be expected from Frank Burns

  133. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    for all your pretend intelect, you sure can get ignorant when you want.

    LMAO, ECAXCTLY. Mirror mirror on the wall, who’s the biggest hypocrite of them all.

    What? Did you just roll over and find that sign was now stuck to your sheet?

  134. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    aislander,for all your pretend intelect, you sure can get ignorant when you want.

    LMAO, Mr. Kettle, Mr. Pot has called you a name.

    Add “hypocrite” to your lengthy list of monikers.

  135. ecaxctly…..tough night, huh? Wastin’ away again…..

    What’s the Obama Misquote of the Day?

  136. On Thursday, Mitt Romney campaigned at the headquarters of Solyndra — the first renewable energy company to receive a federal loan under the stimulus — and reiterated his debunked claims that its bankruptcy symbolized the corruption and cronyism of the Obama administration. But just one day later, a solar panel developer “that landed a state loan from Mitt Romney when he was Massachusetts governor” went belly up, the Boston Herald reports, creating an inconvenient storyline for the GOP presidential nominee.

    The company, Konarka Technologies, “filed for Chapter 7 bankruptcy protection and will cease operations, lay off its 85 workers and liquidate.”

    ….Konarka is the second Massachusetts solar company, along with Evergreen Solar and Beacon Power, to receive taxpayer dollars under Romney’s tenure and subsequently declare bankruptcy.

    Doh!!

  137. “LMAO, Mr. Kettle, Mr. Pot has called you a name.”

    Affirming Aislander to be exactly like me, in your mind? LLAO

    Now, call him a “spendthrift”……hahahahahahah

  138. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    Affirming Aislander to be exactly like me, in your mind?

    dis·in·gen·u·ous/ˌdisinˈjenyo͞oəs/

    Adjective:

    Not candid or sincere, typically by pretending that one knows less about something than one really does.

    You’re starting to make me wonder if I should take pity on you… like maybe this isn’t the right choice of the two I presented in the 6/ 3 @ 7:41 PM post.

  139. menopaws says:

    The “politically correct” right will NEVER admit their racist attitudes. Just don’t appreciate a black man in their White House………So, they settle for Romney who makes a wooden door look warm and fuzzy. A Mormon who believes that women are NOT equal. And, a religion that was racist in it’s own history. This is okay for their future President of the United States. The white bubba crowd is thrilled to have that……….and, well, the rest of us, just feel very sad that America is a mean-spirited, ugly country that spends far more time name calling the current President than thanking him for saving the bank,s the auto industry and trying to get health care costs under control……..Not to mention getting Bin Laden and bringing our people home from Iraq. He kept his promises—our lazy, ignorant citizens have yet to do the same. This country is rapidly becoming a sinkhole of anger and prejudice. The Land of the Free and Home of the Brave is becoming a huge stretch of the imagination. Burning down Mosques, anyone? Go look in the mirror–we have little to show the world in terms of being an example anymore……

  140. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    Careful, Larry, “cow pies” are present… this time for real.

    Romney approved 1.5 million out of a pre-existing fund for Konarka’s start-up weeks after his inauguration in 2003, along with 2.5 million for Evergreen Solar (that would be more than nine years prior to Konarka’s and more than 8 years before Evergreen’s filing Chapter 7 six years after Romney left office. GST Steel anyone?). How much did 0bama give Solyndra?

    And didn’t the 0bama administration give Beacon Power 43 million in taxpayer money before they filed their Chapter 7?

    (You’ve heard of apples to oranges? This would be more like watermelons to grapes.)

    And when did Solyndra and the other 80% 0bama supporter loans go out again? When did Solyndra and the rest file their Chapter 7’s?

    And didn’t Konarka receive an additional 18.5 million in “government grants”? Wonder who gave them that.

    Stay tuned for the backfire.

    More desperation from the left.

  141. Q. How do you exemplify “obsession”?
    A. Like this: “Submitted by LuckyCharm on November 7, 2008 – 12:51pm.”

  142. beerBoy says:

    Romney….just like Obama….only White!

    Obama was/is four more years of W, who was 8 more years of Clinton, who was 8 more years of Reagan.

    A vote for either Party is a Vote More of the Same

  143. beerBoy says:

    Yes…sadly I must admit that Poppy Bush was the least destructive President we have had in the past three decades.

  144. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    beerBy, you goin’ all Libertarian on us now?

  145. wow….bold face now.

    I understand that if you holler you win the argument.

    So now Romney’s mistakes are Obama’s. I should have known.

    Let’s see if we can make Obama’s misquotes belong to Romney.

  146. There is a great character in a play. She is called “Mrs Malaprop”

  147. aislander says:

    Leaving aside the name calling, is sum-one claiming to have understood xring’s 10:45 PM post?

    I mean, I’ll forgive the typos–everyone does that (although x is staggeringly prolific in that regard)–but if that post makes sense to anyone, he should question his own claim to logical thought…

  148. Vox – you should know better than that. There are several political stances that don’t embrace the Demlican/Republocrat corporate entity. I do agree with Libertarians on social issues and militarism but not on their naive faith in the Church of the Invisible Hand.

  149. aislander says:

    So, beerBoy, you prefer the dead hand to the invisible one?

    (I can’t believe I’m citing this source):

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chriss-street/dead-hand-government_b_860852.html

  150. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    Yes, bB, I do know better than that – just being facetious.

    So… who’s the Green Party Candidate this time?

  151. to rpots ‘Obama going negative’ is code talk for ‘omg, omg Obama is telling the truth again’.

    cow pies – detritus left over from a ring wing political gathering.

    Islander – try this:

    Rpots blame Obama for all things bad, but credit Bush jr for all things good.

    That should be clear enough even for you, ct7, and voxless.

    I support the hand that supports American and Americans over the hand that sends US jobs overseas.

  152. aislander says:

    Another straw man from xring, but at least I can understand this post–sort of. I had lots of disagreements with the Bush admin, and voiced them, so your blanket statement that “Rpots” (whatever the hell that means universally praised W just ain’t so.

    I prefer the hand that actually creates wealth, thing that allows all others…

  153. aislander says:

    Should have read: “…the thing that allows all others…”

  154. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    Leaving aside the name calling, is sum-one claiming to have understood xring’s 10:45 PM post?

    I mean, I’ll forgive the typos–everyone does that (although x is staggeringly prolific in that regard)–but if that post makes sense to anyone, he should question his own claim to logical thought…

    Yes, isn’t it… odd that Larry “gets” comments by posters of like political persuasion, but is shows difficulty in comprehension of those with whom he doesn’t agree.

    “Odd”… until you realize he’s been trying, in vain, all-thread-long to get even for a certain post made, above, on JUNE 1, 2012 AT 10:48 PM.

  155. aislander says:

    Vox: I don’t believe it really matters to LarryH, et al if they are right or not, as long as they can muddy the waters to the point that casual readers can’t tell who is right and who is wrong.

    I reread your post (referred to above), and it IS devastating…

  156. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    Exactly, ai.

    Typical for him; he makes a complete a$$ out of himself, gets exposed, then spends enormous amounts of time, wall space, and bandwidth trying to get even.

    Pretty easy to see the why’s and how’s here.

    Tale of the tape:

    LarryH
    JUNE 1, 2012 AT 10:07

    Vox_clamantis_in_deserto
    JUNE 1, 2012 AT 10:48

    LarryH
    JUNE 2, 2012 AT 1:00 PM

    Vox_clamantis_in_deserto
    JUNE 2, 2012 AT 1:10 PM

    Vox_clamantis_in_deserto
    JUNE 2, 2012 AT 9:17 PM

    LarryH
    JUNE 3, 2012 AT 8:24 AM

    Vox_clamantis_in_deserto
    JUNE 3, 2012 AT 8:57 AM

    To be continued, I’m sure. I doubt his steel-trap memory will let this one go either.

    Beyond fragile ego land, it’s truly pathetic to witness.

  157. beerBoy says:

    aislander – I believe in capitalism where it works best and socialism where it works best. Just got back from a month in Finland. It appears that the Scandinavian countries have found a good balance. Free education (including college) has an impact – the Finns I spoke with had a far greater understanding of American politics than most Americans – and a far greater understanding of Russian politics than any Americans I know (including myself).

    And don’t feel bad about citing huffpost – I have cited the Free Republic from time to time….

    ;-)

  158. aislander says:

    sozo: I respect your opinion in this, as in all instances…

    That reminds me of Churchill’s punch line: “…but I’ll be sober in the morning.”

    Not so sure that applies to x, though…

  159. The rest of the line is ‘and aislander will still be a fool, spouting right wing lies.’

  160. Looks like they jettisoned by opinion, aislander. I meant no harm. Just making an observation.

  161. aislander says:

    And yet xring’s subsequent, and oh-so-civil, post remains…

  162. averageJoseph says:

    Kooky, huh?

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