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PROTESTS: Freedom shouldn’t be abused

Letter by Lyle Laws, Puyallup on May 25, 2012 at 1:33 pm with 198 Comments »
May 25, 2012 2:27 pm

Among the many freedoms we Americans hold dear is the right to peaceably assemble and petition the government to address our concerns, but some of the protests that have been taking place in recent days have been pushing the envelope.

When do what are supposed to be peaceful gatherings cross over the line and become lawless rampages that allow protesters to spew their venom, disrupt emergency services and tie-up law enforcement officers who are needed in other areas?

During the recent NATO summit gathering in Chicago, many of the protesters behaved far more like malcontents just looking for an excuse to riot than peaceful citizens hoping to resolve problems. Police dressed in riot control gear were badly battered, and one was of them was taken to the hospital with a stab wound.

No people in the history of the world have enjoyed more freedom than we have, but there have to be reasonable limits.

Complete freedom amounts to complete anarchy.

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  1. dgraves says:

    So where do you draw the line, Lyle. Are only those that share your opinion alowed to assemble?

  2. aislander says:

    dgraves: Are you serious?

    Lyle is specifically NOT talking about peaceable assembly, which we all have the right to do, but about rioting.

    The line is drawn when the police have probable cause to declare that violence and disobedience to their orders is occurring, order the crowd to disperse and the crowd does not.

    Remember that when such civil-rights heroes as MLK, jr. engaged in civil disobedience–which was not violent–they expected to be arrested. And were. If they had used violence, I’m sure they would not have been surprised to be met with violence…

  3. billybushey says:

    Have to agree with Lyle. The malcontent knuckle-heads go a long way toward delegitimizing real protest. Their unfocused and useless violence overshadows real issues of contention and gives arm-chair neo-cons with limited critical thinking skills ammunition with which to further divide the country. Free Speech forever, creative civil disobedience, hell yes, but violence in the name of some unfocused anarchist sentiment: go away.

  4. aislander says:

    billybushey: Check the Pew Research results for which ideological cohort is more knowledgeable about politics:

    http://www.people-press.org/2012/04/11/what-the-public-knows-about-the-political-parties/

    That doesn’t measure “critical thinking,” the topic of your gratuitous insult, but it does measure the stuff of thought, which is knowledge.

    Not surprisingly, the Dems came up short…

  5. Fibonacci says:

    I am not defending those that recently brought violence to their protests, but I have to ask–Lyle? How peaceable was the Boston Tea Party? There ARE instances in our history that had protests that were NOT peaceable, some I am sure you would agree with and some you wouldn’t.

  6. In a TV segment (granted, it wasn’t FOX), it was said that the anarchist segment of the crowd that caused problems were not affilliated with any political persuasion. Many protestors were interviewed at eschewed the rioters. One leader went so far to say she thought the rioters were hired guns to make the protestors look bad.

  7. Gee, aislander. The GOP is better at messaging than the Dems. Tell us something we don’t know.

    That poll doesn’t decide what is right or wrong, just that the GOP knows what their “party stands for”. Hell, I know what the GOP stands for also. Where do I poll on that?

  8. “If they had used violence, I’m sure they would not have been surprised to be met with violence… ”

    Nothing violent about fire hoses and dogs, huh?

    Boy, the purposeful ignorance of some people.

  9. dgraves says:

    Aislander, I am serious. Evidently those that stage these protests aren’t quite as good at vetting the turnout as Tea Party protesters are, but they still have the right to assemble peacefully. To blame all protesters for the action of a few is wrong.

    BTW, the civil rights protesters of the 60s were often met with violence, it is to their credit the they usually didn’t return violence with more violence.

  10. sandblower says:

    Yet another ridiculous letter from Mr. Laws who would set his limits for everyone. Laws exist to deal with disruptive demonstrations and people are arrested. That is the way is is supposed to work, not as Mr. Laws would have it. His sympathizers are all to easily identifed with the extreme right who would clamp down on your civil rights in a second.

  11. Our country was founded on protests. Perhaps one should review the Boston Tea Party, and The American Revolution for starters. How about the Civil Rights? Women’s Suffrage?

  12. DrWernerKlopek says:

    The real reason for Lyle Laws’ endless stream of letters is to prove to the News Tribune, once and for all, that he is worthy of becoming one of their guest columnists. He has tried hard year after year and always gets the same rejection email from Cheryl or Patrick “Dear Lyle, we regret to inform you that you were not selected for this year … over 50, 60, 75, 182, insert large number here, applicants submitted entries, and it was hard to choose.” He really wants an audience and feels he is one letter away from nailing that column position so he too can be taken seriously like his heroes George Will, Charles Krauthammer, and Paul Ryan.

    Anyone want to stage a protest protesting Lyle Laws’ letters? We could hold signs outside city hall demanding that his keyboard be taken away.

  13. Old Lyle learned the trick of being the last one on a Friday to submit an on line letter. That way it’s title stays on the TNT’s home page all weekend.

    He’s quite clever at pulling that scam off.

    Then LornaDoone and Xring bitch all weekend until late Monday about whatever. Except this weekend, it’s Tuesday.

  14. aislander says:

    Once the violence begins, and the police order the crowd to disperse, those that don’t disperse are breaking the law and, in my opinion, deserve what they get.

    The police have more self restraint than I would be able to muster…

  15. aislander says:

    dgraves: I responded before I had finished reading your 5:15 post. You are quite right about the violence the civil-rights protesters were met with, and about their admirable response to it.

    If the OWS people (the ones who remain) and the other protester were as peaceful, I would have no problem with them. Once the violence begins and the crowd doesn’t obey the police’s orders to disperse, all bets are off…

  16. aislander says:

    LarryH: You apparently didn’t read to the bottom of the Pew report. There were a number of questions relating to general political knowledge and a breakdown of who got them right.

    Sorry, Dems…

  17. bobcat1a says:

    As soon as Mr Laws gets his way, we see the end of political protest in this country. From that point on, all it takes to shut down any protest is have a few agents-provacateurs stir up some violence and the “riot act” is read; protest over. Falls right into the totalitarian handbook used by the commies in Russia and all dictators. Congratulations Lyle.

  18. dgraves says:

    Aislander, agreed about the point violence starts. My problem with Mr. Laws was his last sentence. “Complete freedom amounts to complete anarchy.” That was why I asked him where the line should be drawn. I enjoy my freedoms, and didn’t serve my country so that they could be limited, no matter the reason.

  19. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    elmer? Message/ messenger?

    Amazing how a legitimate plea for sanity triggers such a reflexive defense from the lefties of… oh, I dunno’… stabbing a police officer (this time).

    More great laughs/ entertainment from the looney/ lame left.

    Let’s see… the genius from AZ who attended the Tea Party rally with an open-carry firearm (perfectly legally, BTW) gets constant derision from the same leftist contributors here… but he didn’t shoot anyone.

    Oh well there must be a moral equivalency here… somewhere?

    You guys are real gems, LOLZ!

  20. lylelaws says:

    DrWernerKlopek,

    I guess I may as well confess. I am guilty of sending in a couple of letters each month when I have want to express an opinion or have a comment to state, but as far as I know you may do the same thing.

    Have you ever sent in a letter that was not printed online or in the paper?

    By the way, if you would like to put your money where your mouth is, I will be happy to bet you a thousand dollars that I have never applied to be a guest coulmnist.

    Well?

  21. lylelaws says:

    Sandblower,

    As always, I will consider an insult from you as a compliment.

  22. averageJoseph says:

    DrWernerKlopek LMAO… Cheryl???

  23. averageJoseph says:

    America has come back home
    Submitted by LuckyCharm on November 5, 2008 – 9:58am.
    What a Relief — America Survives

    I figured out why I was so relieved tonight. It’s because I have spent the last six years (that’s when I realized how radical the Bush administration was) on pins and needles that we were going to lose America and do tremendous damage to the world. Bush could do something monumentally wrong at any moment. But even more important was that Cheney had so degraded the American system of government that for the first time in my life, I wondered if the idea of America would survive.

    Would they fix the elections? Would they make up some fake emergency to stay in power? Would they find some nefarious way to make sure John McCain won the elections? Did the powers-that-be secretly control these things? Was our democracy real? These are all thoughts I would not have entertained eight years ago. I would have found them laughable. But after seeing what Cheney and Bush were willing to do in the last eight years, it seemed that nothing was beyond them.

    But it didn’t happen. What tremendous relief! And joy. America survives!

    As Obama said in his victory speech, it’s okay to dream again. For the rest of the world to believe again. The beacon of light is back. The shining city on the hill is back. We sent a loud and clear message to the rest of the world – you are all Americans again.

    We docked the ship on shore. We’re back to normal now. We can have our fights about domestic policy. We can disagree slightly on foreign policy. We can go back and forth on all the issues. But the constitution stands. Some crazy neo-cons won’t convince an idiot president to start another reckless war. And we can all sleep well at night again.

    The idea of a healthcare debate sounds so lovely to me. We have habeas corpus back. We have re-established the fundamental building blocks of Western civilization. We have our foundation underneath us. Now, let’s go forward and fight, argue and disagree — and be the country I know and love again.

    America has come back home.

    not

  24. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    LOL, more comic relief – this time courtesy the curiously named “Lucky Charm”. Nothing quite like conspiracy theory-laced purple prose from our (former) favorite democrat PCO.

    Remember how she’d end her posts (about this time four years ago) with pleas for folks to join her for 0bama worship sessions at some South End tavern. LOL, over the top much?

    Good get, AJ.

  25. aislander says:

    dgraves: Complete freedom isn’t the same as an absence of rules–the rules allow you to play the game. The cliche’ has it that my freedom to swing my fist ends where your nose begins and I think that’s a good rule.

    I am a social and fiscal conservative who leans libertarian, which seems contradictory but isn’t, really.

    Society works better when there are commonly understood norms of behavior, but, except for proscribing criminal behavior, the government shouldn’t be in the business of enforcing social norms.

    Neither, however, should it be in the business of preventing society from enforcing those norms, except, again, to punish criminality such as, for example, the beating of gays.

    I can apply my libertarian treatment to just about any behavior except abortion. If one believes the fetus to be a living human being, there can be no compromise with those who don’t believe that. Human life merits governmental protection.

  26. bobcat1a says:

    Aislander, under the federal law in this country, a fetus is not human life. If you don’t like that law, try to get it changed, don’t subvert it. That’s being a responsible CITIZEN. Making up restrictions at the state level and calling it “taking care of women” is super-ultra-hypoocrisy and it’s debauching our federal republic..

  27. Frankenchrist says:

    Righties, you must be proud to have Mr. Laws on your side.

  28. aislander says:

    Way to miss the point, bobcat1a…

  29. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    bobcat, will you feel the same about “federal law” when the SCOTUS strikes down 0bamacare?

    While I agree with aislander, I’m also willing to make both healthcare and abortion state’s rights issues – not the law of the land. One is always free to move to a different state and still be a citizen of the US – the greatest republic in the history of our world.

  30. aislander says:

    I agree that it should be a state issue, Vox. I didn’t want to get into the whole Roe-is-bad-law thing since that would wander far afield from the topic of freedom.

    My post to dgraves was about exploring where freedom begins and ends, and trying to find some common ground between a libertarian/liberal (as I take dgraves to be) and a libertarian/conservative.

    I was trying to point out where that common ground probably caves in…

  31. CHICAGO (Reuters) The NATO summit ended without major violence between police and protesters, winning praise for Chicago Police Chief Garry McCarthy and helping erase bad memories of the bloody street battles here…

    How can there be common ground when the Rpots say compromise is the Dems coming over to the Rpot side?

  32. aislander says:

    Count on xring to be the Baby Ruth in the swimming pool…

  33. and aislander weighs in with a scatological reference….I wish I could say I was shocked and surprised.

  34. concernedtacoma7 says:

    AI- great 9:05 post. The resident leftists can say nothing, except deflect to a 4 decade old argument.

  35. “MLK, jr. engaged in civil disobedience–which was not violent–they expected to be arrested. And were. If they had used violence, I’m sure they would not have been surprised to be met with violence…”

    I wonder if you know how surprised they were when they WERE met with violence?

    You on the right HATE when people speak out, that why they try and suppress free speech at every turn. During the failed bush administration you created ‘Freedom of speech zones”, often a mile or more away from the coward in chief, on his very rare public appearances.
    Your rational for it will be, ‘were they able to protest, then no freedom was lost’.

    Lyle is whining about, and I’m sure he doesn’t even know it, the extremist right wing group, the anarchist, which show up at every large event and riot.
    It is a form of protest, an extreme form but that is what you get on the extreme right hand side of the political spectrum.

    You can’t have freedom for some and not for others, no matter how much you try.

  36. “That doesn’t measure “critical thinking,”

    Lucky for you.

  37. “Evidently those that stage these protests aren’t quite as good at vetting the turnout as Tea Party protesters are”

    No kidding, renting all those buses, printing all those signs, hiring all the ‘grass roots coordinators’ (community organizers?), writing all the scripts and getting all the old folks to repeat them as best they could for all those ‘protests’ that costs a ton of money!

  38. “If the OWS people (the ones who remain) and the other protester were as peaceful, I would have no problem with them.”

    Once again ailander lies through her teeth.
    The OWS protests were nonviolent until met with violence from the police, Often from the orders of the republican mayors.
    YOU specifically had major ‘problems’ with the protests and ran you pie hole day after after day about them. making up lie after lie to spew.
    Do you ever tell the truth?

  39. “the government shouldn’t be in the business of enforcing social norms”

    Except for suppressing marriage rights and protests….what else ailander?

  40. aislander says:

    I appreciate your sensitivity, beerBoy, but how else should one respond to that post?

  41. I love how the GOP’s messaging makes sure that the “lefties” get blamed for anything that goes on in a riot. Couldn’t be the right wing anti-government types….nope, not them.

    How sick do you have to be to hold on to a comment from 2008? When people worry about how many comments are made by who and then their social life depends on data base maintenance of an archive of comments…..well….you obviously have no life.

    Do you keep those numbered like Foghorn Leghorn numbers his feathers, just in case……….?

  42. “aislander says:
    May 25, 2012 at 11:25 pm Count on xring to be the Baby Ruth in the swimming pool… ”

    next, will be “yomomma” jokes….

  43. Lynnwoodfats says:

    “No people in the history of the world have enjoyed more freedom than we have.”
    Sure about that? Got any proof to back it up? Or are you just repeating the mantra taught to you in government-owned, government-run schools?

    “Complete freedom amounts to complete anarchy.”

    You say that like it’s a bad thing. Once again, repeating the mantra taught to you in government-owned, government-run schools.

  44. Nothing buried in the last line here. Headlines.

    Someone alert Pew….quickly

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2011/11/21/fox-news-viewers-uninformed-npr-listeners-not-poll-suggests/

    Now lets wait to see Forbes accused of liberal bias

  45. dgraves says:

    Aislander, of course there are rules, what a citizen has to decide is which rules to follow. If I decide to break a rule or law, I also have to realize that I alone am responsible for my actions, and have to accept the consequences for that action.

    I don’t usually define my political stance, but I suppose you could say that I am a social liberal/ fiscal conservative. Which I admit is contradictory. :) People have a right to live as they will, as long as they accept that they alone are responsible for their actions. The culture of victimization that seems to me to be prevalent at the moment is, to me at least, a culture of weakness.

  46. aislander says:

    dgraves: We do have common ground, which is a rarity on this contentious forum.

    I agree that there should be consequences for antisocial behavior, but except for criminal actions, government should not enforce those consequences: society should.

    Before the civil-rights movement, government enforced discriminatory laws, which are an abomination. Government overreached, in my opinion, when it imposed anti-discrimination laws on nongovernmental entities. I have no problem with making non-discrimination a precondition for doing business with the government, but I have a big problem with government’s reaching into private transactions to enforce such rules.

    Social pressure should be the method for improving society. People should not be forced by government to trade one freedom for another.

  47. averageJoseph says:

    I knew then that it would be comedy gold… Sr., and I was correct. ;)

  48. denismenis says:

    “The right to swing your fist ends where the nose begins.” Oliver Wendell Holmes

    Some would like to have our arms tied behind our backs.

  49. How soon they forget, eh Lucky Charm?

    “averageJoseph says:
    May 21, 2012 at 12:46 pm Nicely stated Susan. If you’ve read the letters online section you know full well you will be attacked viciously for expressing your thoughts.”

  50. doh!

  51. dgraves says:

    Aislander, We probably have more in common than either of us realize. I’ve enjoyed this short exchange.

    While I read this blog regularly, I rarely post. IMO there are very few voices of reason here. I don’t always agree with your views, but you do voice them reasonably and with conviction. Thanks.

  52. aislander says:

    dgraves: It has been my pleasure. May I quote you on the “reasonably and with conviction” thing? I’m sure I’ll need it at some point!

  53. aislander says:

    denismenis:

    “It is better for all the world, if instead of waiting to execute degenerate offspring for crime, or to let them starve for their imbecility, society can prevent those who are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind.”–Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.

    Not my kind of guy…

  54. “May I quote you on the “reasonably and with conviction” thing? I’m sure I’ll need it at some point!”

    Oh geeez….I’ll have tshirts printed for you to give out to your fan club.

    dgraves – please come back more often. Since you’ve created the monster, you’ll need to keep it under control ;)

  55. Aislander, be my guest, although with some of the posters here it may not help. ;)

  56. bobcat1a says:

    Yes vox, I will be quite content if SCOTUS strikes down the healthcare law…for two reasons: First, because I believe in our Constitution and it’s checks and balances, and second, because that’s the only way we will ever get the for-profit insurance companies out of our healthcare decisions and lead to a single payer medicare-for-all system. The healthcare law as passed is nothing but a gift to the insurance companies.

  57. aislander says:

    bobcat1a: If, as the Founding Fathers believed, God’s hand is guiding this nation, we will never again come close to having a majority in Congress so benighted as to enact such a travesty as socialized medicine (AKA single payer)…

  58. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    Not sure how forcing people to buy insurance at the federal level is any less constitutional under 0bamacare than it would be under single payer. My guess is this will become a states rights issue – as it should be, and as legalized abortion should have been and, hopefully, will become.

  59. SwordofPerseus says:

    Dear Lyle;

    It seems that you like to write in hyperbole,

    “No people in the history of the world have enjoyed more freedom than we have” I know for a fact that this is a myth. I have experienced more freedom in Mexico for example…Most Scandinavian countries have more civil liberties than we have for another example.

    “Complete freedom amounts to complete anarchy.”

    Complete freedom does not amount to complete anarchy as you would propose. Complete lawlessness leads to anarchy, Lyle not complete freedom. Complete freedom equals justice for all, and we are a long way from justice for all, thanks in large part to people such as yourself with such limited ideas about freedom and liberty…

    The common thread at these “riots” at the large demonstrations at WTO, NATO, and other conventions are the actions of know anarchist agitators. These agitators show up and simply start vandalism and general disruptions. This is an old right wing tactic to disrupt protests of any kind for as long as protests have taken place. These are the people who need to be arrested and prosecuted for inciting. Peaceful protests are guaranteed in the first amendment of the constitution, I for one am not willing to forsake that freedom for any reason, no matter how many cops get hurt. Freedom is not free.

  60. averageJoseph says:

    Knee slapper #2…

    Submitted by LuckyCharm on November 6, 2008 – 7:14am.

    Looks like a few people are going to get a rude awakening from our new president-elect. It appears ambassadorships and other posts may not be for sale anymore! So if you bundled oodles of money for the Obama campaign, you’d better also have some kind of experience or qualification if you want a job as ambassador to France or something! Darn, that’s the one I was angling for (I got a 10 out of 10 for volunteer activity on his website)…. Sucks when you elect a guy who actually keeps his promises…. Guess I’ll start unpacking my bags now.

    ~~Cheryl

  61. It must be hard to see when you suffer from CRI:

    “averageJoseph says:
    May 21, 2012 at 12:46 pm Nicely stated Susan. If you’ve read the letters online section you know full well you will be attacked viciously for expressing your thoughts.”

    I’m glad that we have these recent points of reference to demonstrate hypocisy

  62. averageJoseph says:

    It’s comedy gold Preston. ‘Comedy is rarely inoffensive to all’. I understand you do not see the humor in it. Now, please quit tailgating me.
    Raise your feet over your head. Go out and enjoy the sun. I’ll check back later ;)

  63. averageJoseph says:

    LMFAO !

    Sucks when you elect a guy who actually keeps his promises

  64. lylelaws says:

    DrWernerKlopek,

    Isn’t the doctor in? I thought you might jump at the chance to take me up on my offer.

    Well? Still waiting.

  65. aislander says:

    swordofperseus writes: “I for one am not willing to forsake that freedom for any reason, no matter how many cops get hurt.”

    Nice.

    I for one am not willing to forsake the civil–and free–society, no matter how many rioters get hurt.

    Your trope about agents provocateurs would be funny if it were not so sad. As a member in good standing of the great right-wing conspiracy, I can assure you that none of us is willing to hang out with a bunch of smelly, obstreperous lefties even IF the purpose is to screw them over…

  66. concernedtacoma7 says:

    I am noticing an uptick in far left conspiracy theories. They are a weak attempt to justify/excuse terrible, embarrassing behavior or to find an alternative to common sense.

    Big oil, big business, Zionist, capitalism conspiracies. Racism is the only reason people dislike BHO. This latest theory of far right ‘plants’ and agents in #ows. When reason stops, these conspiracy theories take over. How much reason does one have to ignore to be a leftist?

  67. sandblower says:

    Mr. Laws, you still don’t get it do you. If I wanted to insult you the words would be quite different and there would be no reasoning involved.
    You may be ignorant, but you are not stupid. Learn something.
    Until then, I will stand on this principle: “Ridicule may lawfully be employed where reason has no hope of success.”
    I say no hope, because of your continued thoughtless presentations.

  68. aislander says:

    concernedtacoma7: Did you happen to catch THIS gem (same author)?

    “Complete freedom equals justice for all, and we are a long way from justice for all, thanks in large part to people such as yourself with such limited ideas about freedom and liberty…”

    Words mean what we want them to mean, apparently. Lefties could actually make the world a better place by learning a simple–but not simplistic–truism: nothing is perfect and nothing is perfectible. Justice for all? Ain’t happening–especially if people are free (in the original sense of the word) to be people.

    Lots of people in eastern Europe failed to appreciate the “justice” that was thrown their way and died for their lack of discernment. Is that what ole SoP has in mind for those of us who would prefer to remain truly free?

    I’ll bet the word “democracy” doesn’t mean what we limited ones think it means, either. Instead of everyone’s participating in the electoral process it means fairness and equality and…and…justice!

  69. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Social justice vs individual responsibility. The central planned utopia, equal outcome for unequal effort vs individual merit and achievement.

    In the left’s quest for power and perfection (utopia), they are willing to fundementally change this great nation. They ignore everything that made us great and embrace failed ideas from Marx, Europe, and South America. Social justice is just another excuse. An excuse to segregate, an excuse to re-distribute wealth, an excuse for actions that lead to a less-free society.

  70. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Ai- If you have not read Ameritopia I strongly recommend it. I cannot paraphrase the points made and do them any justice.

    I would buy the 3 progressives here a copy if they would actually read it. There is no way you can support failed big govt, central planning if you truly look at history and where the ideas come form.

    Equality and justice have been the buzzwords of the far left for longer then any of us have been around.

  71. aislander says:

    I think they are taking words that have positive connotations, such as “freedom” and “democracy” and using them to mean different things. SoP just illustrated that.

    That way they can say that they love liberty and democracy, but I think they mean something quite different than we do when they use those words.

    You’re right about “justice” and “equality”–most people recognize the Marxist flavor of them. That’s why the new lexicon.

  72. “concernedtacoma7 says:
    May 26, 2012 at 3:26 pm I am noticing an uptick in far left conspiracy theories.”

    Better than birth certificates and Jeremiah Wright?

    Geez it’s funny how the right accuses us of what they constantly do.

  73. “averageJoseph says:
    May 26, 2012 at 12:13 pm
    Raise your feet over your head. Go out and enjoy the sun. I’ll check back later”

    I was out in the sun while you were on your data base piddling your pants.

    Have you been treated for your CRI?

  74. concernedtacoma7 says:

    In comes the village idiot to ruin a decent conversation.

    Larry, why did he allow his publisher to list him as ‘born in Kenya’ from 1991-2007? I do not think it was because he born in Kenya, but because he wanted to make himself into something he wasn’t; a rags-to-riches story, an oppressed minority. Instead he went to the best schools and was raised by a white bank exec who took him in after his parents bailed (one was a permanent no show, one a commie).

    But before you breakdown and whine about ‘birthers’ (your favorite topic of 2008, started by Hillary, that you need to bring up daily since Travon Martin case is looking like a bad bet), ask yourself why so much of his story is BS.

  75. SwordofPerseus says:

    CT7 & I_Slander as usual your diarrhea of the keyboard has led you far, far off topic. It seems you both think you should limit freedom to protest and don’t have a problem with paid agitators. I guess it’s par for the course for Republicons. BTW i never mentioned “democracy” freedom yes, since we live in a Republic, democracy is really a distraction.

  76. sandblower says:

    Is that ********* concerned still here?
    “The central planned utopia, equal outcome for unequal effort vs individual merit and achievement.”
    Total and complete nonsense.
    Where do you come up with that garbage? Who taught you? What did you read?

  77. averageJoseph says:

    Wow… what an amazing day.

    How’s the DVT Preston?

    LOL at the urilogical 1st grade humor, dude.

  78. averageJoseph says:

    CT7, not just b.s., but much is still unknown.

  79. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Look at the leftists here. Nothing to add, only whining.

    Prove me or someone on the right incorrect. I look forward to learning something from one of you.

  80. concerned? A logical person with higher thinking would know that either/ or arguments are a fallacy. There is no right or wrong. Didn’t you ever take Logic 101? In the real world, higher thinkers can handle different opinions without feeling their own opinion being threatened. So after you take a course in Logic 101, try also American History 101, this country was founded by riots and the Revolutionary left breaking from the Imperial right. Of course we all know from a recent study that when you get all your information from Fox News, you lose IQ points.

  81. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Frida, that was close to an honest attempt at conversation, did you have to throw in some weak insults?

    Yes, I have taken history. That is one huge stretch to say Founders were left, Brits were right. Riots did not establish our freedom, war did. Nice re-write.

    Cute hit on fox news. How is that relevant? And because I am conservative I am also stronger.

    And the goals of today’s rioters could not be any farther from the honest goals of the Revolution. Today, BHO and our over regulated state are the imperialists. If they were protesting big govt, they would closer to the mark. Do not confuse the TEA party with these violent clowns.

  82. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    ct7, you realize Frida is is just using Godwin’s Law Corollary # 2. We are all familiar with Godwin’s Law (any mention of Hitler in a discussion loses the debate for the perpetrator). The first corollary is that anyone who invokes Godwin’s law has lost the debate. The second corollary is that anyone who mentions FOX News has lost the debate.

    Congratulations, you win… again.

    From now on I suggest we laughingly use the acronym GLC#2 in response. It’s sorta’ like BTDT, only not quite as funny.

  83. aislander says:

    Lefties don’t seem to enjoy being laughed at. Bet it makes the old jellyfish hacker go all limp…

  84. bobcat1a says:

    Well vox, great tactic. define the winners of the debate as YOU and the losers as anyone who disagrees with you. How did you ever think of it.

  85. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Well played Vox. From BC1’s response, it will be effective.

    BC1, sell your point of view. Show me the left is morally, fiscally, Constitutionally sound. Thanks!

  86. “concernedtacoma7 says:
    May 26, 2012 at 9:29 pm Frida, that was close to an honest attempt at conversation, did you have to throw in some weak insults?”

    “concernedtacoma7 says:
    May 26, 2012 at 8:23 pm Look at the leftists here. Nothing to add, only whining.”

    Francis. Please tell us that your entire character is just a joke. No one could seriously post those two comments within an hour or so.

  87. Average Joseph – does it titilate you to look up my middle name on a cheap data base and attempt to harass me (which you are not very good at)? When I have the courage to write a letter to the editor – something that you can’t do – everyone that knows me – Larry P. Hill, knows my middle name. Since I’ve used it professionally, it’s not news to much of the community.

    Tell everyone “goodbye” under that moniker. I do believe that will be just about enough for the TNT to send you to BANNEDVILLE.

    You’ve been pulling that routine with me and others and it’s caused you problems in the past. I noted the othe day that you have a follower pulling the same routine. It’s a violation of the “simple rules” posted above, but of course, you already know that from previous bannings. The TNT isn’t fond of stalking.

    Thanks for the help. I’ve been waiting for the right opportunity. I think I got you to let your guard down with that story about being “rationed”. Between you and your playmate, I’m not sure who took the bait and swallowed the hook fastest.

    :)

  88. and speaking of taking the bait….

    “Larry, why did he allow his publisher to list him as ‘born in Kenya’ from 1991-2007?”

    Francis, try to get the story right. It was a “publicist” not a “publisher” and that person as already embarrassedly said they made a huge mistake on a one paragraph bio. Sort of like you just did in one sentence.

    Stick to him bowing and hugging a professor. You’ve got video tape of that. Oh, and you’ve got proof that Michelle Obama believes in the right to bare arms.

  89. “Rush Limbaugh appointed Mr. Levin head of his ‘legal division’,” the biographical note states.”

    Does that make “Ameritopia” a comedy book?

  90. concernedtacoma7 says:

    It’s late Larry, you must be drunk.

    I do not care if Santa wrote his bio, when you are a nobody in 1991 you will read/see it as some point if only out of sheer curiosity. He is such a narcissist, lets be real and acknowledge that he most likely saw it and let it pass.

    Your other wallpaper deserves no response. You whined about ‘being outed’ a month ago now claim it as a badge of honor. Hypocrite.

    And I find it hard that TNT would take a complaint serious from you.

  91. averageJoseph says:

    Another one for the archives.

    By your own admission you have provided your name to everyone here. No harm no foul. ;)

  92. yabetchya says:

    I see Larry is threatening another poster …..again.
    He says he has it “IN” with the TNT, that they give him personal information about other posters, and has the power to get them banned.If that is so Mr. Larry Preston Hill, maybe they will just have to do what you are so good at…..Have done more than anyone on here, along with all your multi’s….. Change monikers.

  93. Bandito says:

    Lyle Laws- Your red herrings do attract alot of attention. Try to open your mind and see the illogical implications laced into your phony letter; the purpose of which are to disenfranchise those whose opinions differ from yours.
    I’ll bet you can’t.

  94. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    Well vox, great tactic. define the winners of the debate as YOU and the losers as anyone who disagrees with you.

    My suggestion is not a “tactic”. Resorting to condescending, disdainful references to FOX News as a means to somehow elevate ones position on a topic to that of an authority because one has never watched or listened to FOX News and one cannot win on merit is clearly a tactic… of a loser.

    I’m merely proposing a new corollary to Godwin’s Law (and an acronym to save a few key-strokes) so that such tactics can be easily identified for what they are – a white flag.

    If an argument ends at “FOX News”, just think of the wall space it will save here.

    Happy GLC#2!

  95. na na na na….na na na na…..hey hey hey…..good bye

  96. (any mention of Hitler in a discussion loses the debate for the perpetrator).

    Here is Godwin’s Law (circa, all the way back to the historical time of 1990), quoted verbatim:

    “As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.”

    I don’t see anything about a “winner” or “loser” in that statement. It would appear, like most statements, conservatives have manipulated the original into something that they claim.

  97. lylelaws says:

    Bandito,

    I read your 7:26 comments but I honestly do not understand what you were trying to say, so would you please elaborate?

  98. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    From wiki:

    There are many corollaries to Godwin’s law, some considered more canonical (by being adopted by Godwin himself) than others. For example, there is a tradition in many newsgroups and other Internet discussion forums that once such a comparison is made, the thread is finished and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever debate was in progress. This principle is itself frequently referred to as Godwin’s law. It is considered poor form to raise such a comparison arbitrarily with the motive of ending the thread. There is a widely recognized corollary that any such ulterior-motive invocation of Godwin’s law will be unsuccessful. (a.k.a GLC#1)

    While falling afoul of Godwin’s law tends to cause the individual making the comparison to lose their argument or credibility, Godwin’s law itself can be abused as a distraction, diversion or even as censorship, fallaciously miscasting an opponent’s argument as hyperbole when the comparisons made by the argument are actually appropriate. (again, GLC#1)

    Now c’mon, Larry tell us how it doesn’t mention the news agency to which I’m assigning GLC#2, LOL.

  99. lylelaws says:

    DrWernerKlopek,

    When you stated that I had tried to become a guest columnist but didn’t respond to my offer to let you make an easy $1,000.00 if you were correct, I began to wonder if you had applied a few times since you seemed to know so much about how rejections are handled.

    By the way are you new to the mix or is DrW just a new and improved moniker?

  100. aislander says:

    If I had to guess, Lyle, I would say the “Dr. Werner Klopek” (a character in a 1989 movie called “The ‘Burbs”) is the erstwhile m-uckibr or perhaps Manuel-Martini…

  101. Maybe it’s a conservative named aislander that doesn’t have the courage to write an LTE because of having to disclose his name, Lyle.

    It’s just jealousy that you get his attention that he’s seeking.

  102. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Yet another thread stalled by Larry. Great job TNT keeping him around.

  103. aislander says:

    Hey, we just narrowed down the possible IDs!

  104. aislander says:

    I think it’s a good weekend to raise a toast to Roncella.

  105. I love how aislander deflects the issue. Wants to blame others. It’s a classic conservative trick.

    Francis…why did you change your IDs?

  106. yabetchya says:

    Larry, why have you changed your ID”s so many times. I see you have quite an affection with fictional charaters. I bet it is because you can not relate to reality. Maybe it’s time for another meeting.

  107. aislander says:

    The Larry doth protest too much, methinks.

    Must have struck close to home…

  108. aislander brought it up out of nowhere. Much like the paid rioters at protest rallies, aislander is the culprit and now trying to pass the blame off on me and someone that has been MIA for about a week or so.

    Methinks there is a motive to him needing to blame others.

  109. yabetcha – Well, then go to a meeting!!!! I’m not going to hold your hand through the 12 step program, you have to do it yourself.

    I learned a long, long time ago that I can’t fix anyone. If you have the need for a meeting, to the point of bringing it up in a public forum, by all means, GO!!!!

    Keep coming back, it works!

  110. Oh, and attending intoxicated probably won’t help you. I tried to warn you.

  111. aislander says:

    Brought what out of nowhere, “Larry?” If you’re talking about Klopek, I was responding to Lyle’s 12:30 PM post.

    Overreact much?

  112. aislander says:

    And, “Larry,” re your 3:39 post accusing me of God knows what: “needing” is a gerund and takes the possessive pronoun.

    Don’t say I never tried to help…

  113. concernedtacoma7 says:

    So we have given up on protests as a topic? If is now Larry and his tactics/lunacy? Just want to make sure I am on the same page.

    And if it is Larry, please explain the Francis stuff.

    Unlike others I have neve used another moniker. Sure your ‘in’ at TNT can verify somehow.

  114. sandblower says:

    Hey Lyle,
    I’m going to a cemetery tomorrow to celebrate my friends who died because the rioters and demonstrators were too late for them among other things.
    Can your tiny little brain get around that?

  115. Wanna read something funny?

    “Sure your ‘in’ at TNT can verify somehow.

    “He says he has it “IN” with the TNT, that they give him personal information about other posters, and has the power to get them banned”

    Now, mind you, I’ve never said such. This is how the conservative mind operates. I want someone to copy and paste where I said I have “an in” or the “power to get them banned”.

    No wonder they can take a sentence out of contest and the next thing you know, Barack Obama is taking over the Soviet Union (stupidity intended).

    Aislander – you know exactly what I’m talking about. You point the finger for a comment at either “Muck” or myself, knowing full and well that you were the culprit and you are now trying to deflect.

    No one, including Lyle, had any reason to believe that “Dr Whatever” was anyone other than one comment from someone that doesn’t like Lyle’s frequency in letters. As anyone knows, I’ve NEVER complained about ANYONE’s frequency in letters and/or comments – if for no other reason, it is what makes an LTE column interesting. How could you have an LTE column with no LTEs? I leave that sort of childish complaints to the….well….childish. You had a reason to feel the need to point a finger at others. I guess your “humor” went over like flatulence in church, huh?

    I’ll be waiting for the proof of all the hyperbolic crappola that I didn’t say. Something tells me that “yabetcha” doesn’t want to play anymore (at least as “yabetcha”).

    For someone that isn’t Francis, Francis sure answers to Francis.

  116. aislander says:

    LarryH: I’ve gotta say you have become fixated on a miniscule issue and are overreacting like mad to my having Googled Dr. Klopek in order to answer Lyle’s question: “By the way are you new to the mix or is DrW just a new and improved moniker?”

    I answered with my conjecture, but you fixated on that conjecture and have wildly overreacted.

    Just as mucky would do…

  117. aislander says:

    Now are you going to accuse me of “deflecting?”

    As mucky would do…

  118. averageJoseph says:

    “You point the finger for a comment at either “Muck” or myself” “myself”> Manuel-Martini.

    LMAO… Preston took the bait and swallowed the hook. :(

  119. bobcat1a says:

    Mostly it’s PROJECTING.

  120. aislander says:

    How, bobcat1a, is it projecting? If you’re going to chip in with a glib, facile, and off-point comment, you should have a way of backing it up.

  121. aislander says:

    Could be, aJ. My guess is that it’s the other “m.”

  122. aislander says:

    Six of one; half a wit of the other…

  123. lylelaws says:

    Sandblower,

    Thank’s for honoring the memory of your friends who died while serving their country.

    At age seventy-nine I am the youngest member of a family of nine, six of whom voluntairly served in the U.S. Armed Forces during time of war. My father walked with a profound limp for the rest of his life after being wounded in WWI, and although none of the rest of us were killed, I think I know the meaning of service to our country.

  124. aislander says:

    Lyle: I may be wrong, but I think sandblower’s point was that the rioters are serving the country, while those who died in battle did so for nothing.

    I don’t see that as honoring anything other than a puerile and solipsistic world view…

  125. Let’s just get down to the root of the problem as Mr. Laws described in his letter. The only way to deal with these malcontents and trouble makers is for the gloves to come off. The politicians need to get the hell out of the way and let the cops handle these slugs. Crack some heads, break some knee-caps and jail the gutless little termites.

  126. yabetchya says:

    larry said “mind you, I’ve never said such.”
    Well sir, yes you did. You said pacman used a false email account using your name,and the TNT gave you the personal information of that account. Then you accused Sandrak on another blog, AND you say Takeone is another, and is your own your own personal stalker. You said with fervor that aj will be banned. You have insulted me and accused me of being GOD knows who, stalked little girls who happen to wright a LTE, and call a woman of color a bigot and a racist( until someone enlightened you) You said you contacted the moderators, and gloated they gave you private information about other posters. I have posted this over and over, quoted your boastings. Yet, ya still keep drinking from the same bottle of twaddle. Meetings ?

  127. yabetchya says:

    Frosty, I agree. ..but when you get defective matter that is suppose to be a brain, of all blogs. Hell it like the Brown recluse spider. Bacteria eats away of flesh, then affects the brain…or it could be a stroke. I wonder what his others think.

  128. aislander says:

    Frosty: I think a violent reaction is exactly what these…people want. How would you feel about the Obama admin’s declaring martial law? Where do think it would be limited and when would it end?

    I don’t trust this regime and I don’t wish to provide it with an excuse to clamp down…

  129. took14theteam says:

    You know, it should be about time for publiko to make an appearance spouting some self righteous crap.

  130. yabetchya says:

    It is so funny, Larry trying to piddle up Hill while sitting backwards.

  131. concernedtacoma7 says:

    After many replies to my posts calling me “Francis” I ask why. If anyone needs a reason to justify Larry’s lunacy, it is in his response.

    Is there one moderate, one leftist who can debate using logic and reason?

    Sir or ma’am, I look forward to honest discourse. Until then, I ask the TNT for moderation.

  132. aislander says:
    May 27, 2012 at 8:27 pm Lyle: I may be wrong, but I think sandblower’s point was that the rioters are serving the country, while those who died in battle did so for nothing.”

    Yeah. You are wrong. But that’s to be expected from someone who pulls the “martial law” and “regime” out of his southern parts.

  133. yabetcha – (9;22 pm) – someone is obviously obsessed with me. “you said the same thing on another blog”…..but I don’t have a stalker, right? LLAO I’m not “Larry” on another blog. Maybe you can tell us which “blog” you are speaking of.

    As to your other fantasies, I hope this is just a summer thing and you’ll get over it. I can’t stand all the attention.

  134. What is REALLY, REALLY funny….

    A certain IP address lives on my website and knows my marketing slogan – Martini Music – but suddenly came to the realization of who “Manuel Martini” was???? LLAO

    Even when you try to make it easy for them…..

  135. aislander says:

    Okay, aJ; I guess you’re right…

  136. aislander says:

    …or we BOTH are!

  137. averageJoseph says:

    Yea, X6

  138. aislander says:

    I’ve been giving a h*ndj*b to a pathological ego. I feel so…dirty…

  139. aislander says:

    Yeah, “regime,” sandblower. Any government that so brazenly defies the will of the people merits the word, and this is a dangerous one.

  140. JosefinaDepromedio says:

    When one group of citizens are not required ID because of the color of their skin, we will begin to know freedom

  141. aislander says:

    JosefinalDepromedio: Do you want to recast that sentence? The ESL isn’t working…

  142. aislander says:

    …and neither is the ideology.

  143. ErnestTBass says:

    The Tea Party demonstrations were the best I have ever seen. No urinating or deficating in the streets, no rapes, no cursing police,no tormenting little kids walking to school, well…….. I could go on and on. They were cool and quiet and GOT THEIR POINT ACROSS. And after they all left the park police didnt have to do a thing. They picked up after themselves. They were all very good people. God bless America and The Tea Party. “Oath Keeper!!”

  144. averageJoseph says:

    And Preston claims he’s being stalked. LMAO.

  145. I see islander has been posting a steady diet of baby ruths, and CT7 has been busy licking up the leftovers.

  146. took14theteam says:

    And xring wants people to take him seriously. Or maybe not…..

  147. sandblower says:

    aislander, hopeless. Lyle, some promise. took1, hopeless.

  148. took – ght wing fools only take right wing talking points seriously, which is way you all are such fools.

  149. aislander says:

    I seem to have made xring a little grumpy.

    Tell me, x: what have I been doing right?

  150. Bandito says:

    lylelaws
    May 27, 2012 at 11:02 am

    Bandito,

    I read your 7:26 comments but I honestly do not understand what you were trying to say, so would you please elaborate?

    Lyle Laws- As predicted, your closed mind renders you incapable of understanding that we realize that your motive in writing this letter was to tie the inappropriate behavior of a small outside group to the legitimate message that the peaceful demonstrators were attempting to convey.

  151. xring says:
    May 28, 2012 at 10:45 pm took – ght wing fools only take right wing talking points seriously, which is way you all are such fools.

    aislander says:
    May 28, 2012 at 10:59 pm I seem to have made xring a little grumpy.
    Tell me, x: what have I been doing right?

    heh, heh, heh.

  152. Aislander – the best way to prove a fool is a fool is to let them speak. You spoke, I listened.

  153. aislander says:

    My comment to xring was addressing his 4:20 comment to ME as well as his subsequent remark to took.

    I DO feel foolish bothering to respond to this idiocy, so, in that respect only, xring has a point…

    Have a Baby Ruth. You’ll feel better…

  154. habbatahabbatahabbatahabbata

  155. Funny how 2+2 only equals 4 when it comes from conservativeland.

  156. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    Funny how 2+2 only equals 4 when it comes from conservativeland.

    Not funny, Larry, sad.

    Nevertheless, congrats on your first factual point.

  157. averageJoseph says:

    LOL vox.

  158. “If, as the Founding Fathers believed, God’s hand is guiding this nation, we will never again come close to having a majority in Congress so benighted as to enact such a travesty as socialized medicine (AKA single payer)…”

    And if we end up with single payer, which we will, are you going to get over this blending of religion and Govt thing?
    Look at history, every nation or society that let religion be it’s guide, has floundered and failed.
    Why would anyone want that to happen to this nation?

  159. Once again the right wing runs wild with their usual insults, childish comments and rude behavior over the weekend.
    Glad I have a life and left town!

  160. aislander says:

    Yup. The atheist Soviet Union is prospering…

    Hey, lefties, can you name one time in the history of the United States when you believe it was doing things right?

    The Founding Fathers were avid in letting religion be their guide (and don’t give us that made-up crap that they were, at most, deists–I can quote them all day long saying that religion–specifically Christianity–was guiding the nation).

  161. averageJoseph says:

    Excellent question.

  162. Islander – The Soviet Union no longer exists.

    However,
    The atheist
    Japan and China, and the non-christian India are prospering due mainly to our own unamerican poclies and actions that keeps sending them our jobs.

    Have a snikers – you always get inaccurate when you need to eat.

  163. aislander says:

    Do you miss the point on purpose, or are you just “special,” x?

    K****r’s assertion is that “…every nation or society that let religion be it’s guide, has floundered and failed.” It was not talking about Christianity, per se.

    Oh, wait…are you telling me the Soviet Union is gone? Shazam! I had no idea! C’mon…

    So…when was America doing things right, xring?

  164. “Any government that so brazenly defies the will of the people merits the word, and this is a dangerous one.”

    And the last one that started 2 wars NO ONE wanted??????
    Does it ‘merit’ being called a regime?

  165. aislander says:

    By the way, xring: “Christian” is capitalized…

  166. “The atheist Soviet Union is prospering…”

    They fell for reason of their own, I did not say religion was the only reason nations fall…but you knew that didn’t you?

    I know you have almost grasp of the written word and even less of history other than what you make up, but it was worth a shot to try and get you to engage in adult conversation.
    Once again you failed.

  167. “It was not talking about Christianity, per se.”

    I was talking about all religions, and remember christianity brought down the roman empire.
    Why do you want it to bring down your own nation?

  168. aislander says:

    Gee…I could have sworn there was overwhelming congressional and popular approval for going into Afghanistan and Iraq.

    So…who is “NO ONE”: the mouse in its pocket?

    Kind reminds me of “The Siphonaptera…”

  169. aislander says:

    Should have written “…Kind OF reminds me…”

  170. aislander says:

    Japan, xring, is not ideologically atheistic and has plenty of adherents to Shinto, Buddhism, and various brands of Christianity.

    China, while putatively atheistic, still seems to tolerate some religions, and tries to put down others. The fact that there are religions the Chinese leadership feels compelled to suppress says it all.

    And “Christianity” is also capitalized…

  171. “xring says:
    May 29, 2012 at 10:26 am Islander – The Soviet Union no longer exists.”

    Heh, heh….

  172. kluwer…yeah…thanks bud! LOL

    I had to stay in town and take care of projects for a client and you guys left me alone with the conservativeclownposse.

    Of course, I was able to maintain AND get my work done.

    When the base thinks the Soviet Union still exists…well….

  173. averageJoseph says:

    Islander – The Soviet Union no longer exists.

    Keep talking…

    7:29am post.

  174. ‘chrisitan is capitalized’ only by chrisitans. I seldom capitalize the name of any religion.

    Lerry – what does not kill you makes you stronger.

  175. averageJoseph says:

    Thanks xring. ;)

  176. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Larry looked like a fool all weekend. You could have used some help, but probably not from Klu.

    So who are your leftist heroes again? JFK was a poor choice, given your recent attacks on the very things that defined him.

    AI asked a question you decided was too hard to answer.

  177. lylelaws says:

    Bandito,

    Why would anyone need to hire “outsiders” to make the NATO protesters look bad when they were doing such a great job by themselves.

    Blaming outsiders makes about as much sense as claiming that the destruction of the Twin Towers was an inside job as the Willie Nelson claimed.

    Don’t get me wrong, I love Willie; but an inside job? Sounds like the title of one of his great songs. “Crazy”

  178. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Lyle, as the left moves further away from reason they rely on conspiracy. It is a sad state of affairs.

  179. “given your recent attacks on the very things that defined him.”

    Oh, this will be fun. What are the “very things” that defined JFK that I “attacked”?

    Lyle – blaming anyone but a couple dozen Saudis for 9/11 is about as crazy as calling Obama a Muslim. Now who does that?

  180. “Why would anyone need to hire “outsiders” to make the NATO protesters look bad when they were doing such a great job by themselves.”

    It worked perfectly. Someone was ignorant enough to blame a certain sector of society, when a bunch of hired hands created the chaos.

    Lyle, did you show up at the protest and check IDs or something? No, all you did was spew what FOX said was happening. Many of the protest organizers spoke their annoyance at those who created the problems. As usual, the MAJORITY of protestors didn’t break the law.

  181. “Chicago Police Superintendent Garry McCarthy said arrests for the week were roughly 93 people, including some 45 people during the clashes on Sunday.” – Reuters

    Considering there were “thousands” that attended, it appears Lyle is goosing the issue as well as the conservative media.

  182. “I could have sworn there was overwhelming congressional and popular approval for going into Afghanistan and Iraq.”

    But you did say ‘Congressional’ approval you stated ‘People.
    Funny how when beaten and proven wrong, as so often happens, you move the goal posts.

  183. “Lyle, as the left moves further away from reason they rely on conspiracy. It is a sad state of affairs.”

    Good god, ct7, were you looking in the mirror?

  184. “‘chrisitan is capitalized’ only by chrisitans. I seldom capitalize the name of any religion.”

    I never do, nor the names of people that do not deserve it.

  185. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Larry-

    You have attacked Romney for his wealth.
    You have attacked Newt for his marriages.

    Did this really have to explained to you? Are you that blind to your own words?

    Still waiting for your heroes, or is JFK all you have?

  186. wonder why pew is generally not one of the polls followed by real clear politics?

    which side instigated the violence – the protestors or the police?

    aJo – may 25, 2012 at 8:10 pm – typical right wing dribble –
    out of time,
    out of touch, and
    out of new ideas.

    when islander looks into a mirror, it sees a conspiracy.

  187. concernedtacoma7 says:

    klu- that shows some real class. Thankfully the left’s war on Religion will bite them in November.

  188. concernedtacoma7 says:

    So now the police were the aggressor. Nice. Typical leftist blame.

    The police would rather be home, not getting stabbed while keeping the peace.

  189. lylelaws says:

    LarryH

    Would you please tell me about these “Hired Hands?”

    I have not heard anything about them on Fox or CNN. Is this a big right-wing cover-up?

    Please cite some factual evidence.

  190. aislander says:

    So…when I said that the Soviet Union is prospering, did none of the lefties get that was meant sarcastically in response to sum-one’s assertion that religion always brings down civilizations?

    I used to say that lefties have a magnificent grasp of the obvious, but they have proved that they lack even that…

  191. Lyle – cite your factual evidence that they were part of the protestors. You made the first claim.

  192. I knew this would be fun.

    First of all, CT7 – I didn’t attack Romney for his wealth and I didn’t attack Newt for his marriages.

    I dislike how Romney made his wealth – by taking workers down and ripping off the government for pension program insurance.

    I dislike Newt playing “holier than thou” while he is the guilty party to serving divorce papers on his wife while she battled cancer.

    I’m certain that the nuances are confusing to your ability to comprehend.

    Meanwhile, what do either have to do with JFK???? As I said, conservatives TRY TO BE what JFK was and you’ve demonstrated that well.

  193. “concernedtacoma7 says:
    May 29, 2012 at 2:08 pm So now the police were the aggressor. Nice. Typical leftist blame.”

    How ignorant can you be? Police have been guilty of inciting riots more than once in the history of the United States. You try to pretend it’s not possible.

  194. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Still cannot answer the question.

    Here is a good place to start

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medal_of_Honor

    Go back to page 1 and show how classless you can be, attacking the service and meaning of Memorial Day.

  195. averageJoseph says:

    LOL, they know the answer.

  196. averageJoseph says:

    Oh…btw, would sumnone care to make any more predictions? LMAo…

  197. averageJoseph says:

    October 13, 2010 at 11:13 am
    I am sooo looking forward to reading to the right’s whining sniveling letters in November!
    .
    September 18, 2010 at 9:54 am
    I hope you’ve got your crying towel handy because I think this ‘tidal wave you have been told about isn’t going to happen.
    .
    May 27, 2012 at 12:00 am
    Blaablaablaa, yaddayaddayadda,… “BANNEDVILLE”.
    .
    LMAO ;)

  198. Bandito says:

    Lyle Laws- The violence was caused by anarchists, not legitimate protesters as your letter implies. Your letter should have said that. The black-clad youths were not there to protest the NATO summit, they were there to cause trouble for the sake of causing trouble.

    “Demonstrators ranged from those in festive costumes and a few parents pushing strollers with babies to others in all black with bandannas over their faces and carrying signs including “Anarchists alliance, D.C.”

    “During the march, a group of black-clad demonstrators darted toward police lines along the route, and some threw water bottles at officers who pushed back and yelled at them to move along, but there were no major incidents.”

    “In a brief skirmish, some black-clad, bandanna-wearing protesters pushed and screamed at police.”

    “Some of the black-clad youths yelled at a group of veterans folding a flag, chanting “Burn it!” Some of the youths tussled with other protesters who blocked their path.”

    From, http://news.yahoo.com/chicago-protests-eve-nato-summit-raucous-peaceful-044154096.html

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