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MARRIAGE: Get it right when citing the Bible

Letter by Rich Arnold, Puyallup on May 21, 2012 at 12:07 pm with 11 Comments »
May 21, 2012 12:07 pm

Re: “Weren’t we all created equally?” (letter, 5-21).

If one argues for the separation of church and state in the same-sex marriage debate, don’t mention the Bible. If you do refer to the Bible, please study enough to get it right.

Christ fulfilled God’s law given through Moses. It is not binding on Christians. His followers, though, should obey his teachings (Matthew 28:19-20). Christ taught that marriage was designed by God at creation to be between one man and one woman (Matthew 19:4-6, where Christ quotes the pre-law creation account in Genesis 1:27 and 2:24).

Yes, we are all created equal, but that’s not the issue and neither is love. The issue is the definition of marriage. In no society has a same-gender relationship been considered marriage. Biology makes same-sex marriage a laughable proposition. Love the one you love and do what you do in your bedroom, but do not insist that the rest of us recognize it as marriage.

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  1. “In no society has a same-gender relationship been considered marriage” except the Christian-majority countries of:

    Netherlands, Belgium, Spain, Canada, South Africa, Norway, Sweden.

    Countries that allow civil unions for straights and gays include: Andorra, Czech Republic, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Hungary, Iceland, Luxembourg, New Zealand, Slovenia, Switzerland, United Kingdom, and Uruguay.

    Since separation of church and state is our constitutional authority, and since the Supreme Court has stated that religious views may not be used to support or deny the legality of any type of marriage, then the rest of your letter is not applicable to our nation.

  2. BlaineCGarver says:

    “Since separation of church and state is our constitutional authority, and since the Supreme Court has stated that religious views may not be used to support or deny the legality of any type of marriage, then the rest of your letter is not applicable to our nation.”

    There is zero mention of Separation of Church and State in the constitution. This country will undertake to legally define marriage soon….let’s wait to see if Gay marriage is constitutional before wasteing more hot air on the subject. FWIW, and IMO, religious claims should have no place in deciding constitutionality, but while Gay marriage and sex might be tolerated in different places around the world, it is certainly not held up as an example to their children as something to emulate or aspire to.

  3. Blaine, get a president to put you on the Supreme Court and then you get four other justices to say there is no separation of church and state, and then you might be correct. Until then, the Supreme Court is the final arbiter of what is in the Constitution and what is not, and they say there is separation of church and state in the constituution.

    And, of course, you are wrong again. For gay children, they and their families look up to the countries that have legalized gay marraige as proof that it helps a society, that it affirms that all people are equal and human, and that human rights apply to everyone, not just the people that work to exclude people and treat them as less than God’s creation.

  4. And, Mr. Arnold, just so you “get it right” about the Bible, Jesus was talking about divorce in the second citation of yours. Here is the context question that He was answering:

    Matthew 19: 3 “Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?”

    He said, “No”, that man’s law cannot break a marriage.

    It is amusing to me and a sign of total hypocrisy when people quote this passage as some statement against gay marraige but yet agree that secular divorce should be legal.

    If you are really going to obey Jesus, then he talked a lot more about divorce being against God’s plan and against the Law than he did about gay marriage. Where are the Christian groups working to get divorce laws negated? Where are Christians calling people who divorce names and saying they should not have equal rights because the Bible is against them?

  5. I found it interesting while watching “60 Minutes” last night to hear that Tel Aviv is rated the number one city of preference for homosexuals.

    From the Jerusalem Post – “The website refers to Tel Aviv as “the city that never takes a break” and calls the LGBT life there “perhaps the most vibrant in the Middle East.” The write-up praises the openness of the city by the sea and says that thanks to “the democratic tradition of Israel, the gay community enjoys political freedom as in no other middle-eastern country.”

    A woman interview said “we just really don’t care. If you want to be gay in the military, grab a gun a fight. If you want to be gay in our society, we don’t care”

    Maybe the United States just needs to grow up a little. After all, we are only 400 plus years old, if you go back the puritan settlers.

    Puritan. Hmmmm. Makes you think, huh?

  6. “There is zero mention of Separation of Church and State in the constitution.”

    Very good!!! So when can the government regulate health care provisions concerning birth control for Catholic employers? Let’s start taxing the churches immediately. We need the revenue.

  7. charliebucket says:

    amen tuddo (and larry)

  8. bobcat1a says:

    Larry, Puritans don’t care if you believe as they do as long as you do as they believe.

  9. Frankenchrist says:

    The Bible declares if I shag my wife while she is menstruating we should both be stoned to death in the town square. Yea, that’s the book I want to base my life on.

  10. “There is zero mention of Separation of Church and State in the constitution.”

    You keep parroting this talking point as if it means something, why?

  11. Ah yes, frankenchrist, the guy who’s so outraged by the imaginary war on women reveals himself for the sensitive sould he is– as he imagines “shagging” his wife. If one waits long enough around here, the true nature of folks percolates to the surface. My condolences to your wife fc.

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