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MARRIAGE: What counts as a popular support?

Letter by Wren D. Nessle Buck, Tacoma on May 17, 2012 at 12:41 pm with 50 Comments »
May 17, 2012 12:46 pm

Apparently, news of Washington’s, not to mention New York, Vermont, and New Hampshire’s, protection of same-sex marriage by elected officials (as opposed to judges) has not reached the Georgia State University, or at least not columnist Eric Segall.

Segall (column, 5-17) argues that a U.S. Supreme Court decision protecting same-sex marriage will generate backlash – because same-sex marriage lacks popular support – but that Congressional action to protect same-sex marriage would not. He specifically states that “no state has protected same sex marriage by a vote of the people,” discounting completely votes to do just that by the state legislators in the above-mentioned states.

It seems to me his argument is fundamentally inconsistent: if legislative protection of same-sex marriage at a state level does not count as a “vote of the people” demonstrating popular support, then why would congressional action at a federal level count, let alone be any better at defusing backlash? If anything, with polls showing the public’s respect for Congress at abysmally low levels, congressional action would fuel just as much backlash.

Unfortunately, haters gonna hate. It is unconscionable to permit the haters’ claims of government intrusion into religion to delay the long-overdue elimination of barriers to the civil right of marriage to all adult couples who wish to exercise that right. I am extremely proud of state legislators in Washington (home), New York (where I grew up) and the other states that realized their duty is to ensure equal protection of the law for all citizens.

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  1. BlaineCGarver says:

    State representatives ALWAYS do as the people wish….And you can get a free rainbow unicorn at the B&I this weekend. Your “reps” get their marching orders from the ones with deep pockets.

  2. averageJoseph says:

    LMAO… haters.

  3. BGC – you should not be so hard on the lap-dog republicans who are allowed to vote only the way the ledaership of the party has been told to vote.

  4. Speaking of hate, I hate liars. I REALLY hate liars who push BS political views while claiming that everyone who disagrees is a spawn of Satan.

  5. RLangdon says:

    Well! This topic has certainly gotten off to a cordial start!

  6. aislander says:

    Obamacare lacks popular support, and yet…

  7. RLangdon says:

    aislander, What in the Hell does this topic have to do with Obamacare? Are you trying to DEFLECT again?

  8. aislander says:

    The topic has to do with the votes of legislatures running counter to the wishes of the people. Congress is a national legislature.

    If you can’t keep up…

  9. RLangdon says:

    Those were votes in state legislatures. Obamacare was NOT voted on by individual states, it was passed by the Congress of The United States. You are deflecting, and doing a very poor job of it I might add. Stick to the topic and try to keep up with the rest of us okay aislander?

  10. Ditto on the “haters” comment.

    It absolutely floors me that there are so many people who will accuse someone of hating simply because they disagree with what some group may be pushing! I suppose that is their only weapon, that and moronic, snide remarks. They have no decent tool to fight their cause with other than making the opposition look evil! However, I wouldn’t take the term “hater” too seriously. Seems to me its a label brought into use by 12-15 year old brainwashed kids. No doubt there are those who continue its use after they have “evolved” beyond the acne years.

    God forbid, in this liberal lunatic asylum, that you try to maintain and support traditional standards and morals, when a very loud minority chooses to promote self serving decadence.

  11. aislander says:

    The hallmark of intelligence is the ability to see relationships between seemingly unrelated topics. The opposite of intelligence is…

  12. aislander says:

    …and the point was that legislators seem less and less reluctant to impose laws that the majority of their constituents not only don’t desire but actively oppose.

    That is relevant to the topic at hand, whether discussing the legislatures of individual states or Congress.

  13. RLangdon says:

    Deflecting!

  14. aislander says:

    Accusing people of deflecting when that is not the case is…deflecting!

  15. RLangdon says:

    Now you are Re-Deflecting!

  16. averageJoseph says:

    LMFAO @ RL… “What in the Hell does this topic have to do with Obamacare?” … lack of “popular support”.

    Obamacare was NOT voted on by individual states”

    Yes, you are correct this time. It was imposed on states, and they are fighting it, and the SCOTUS is about to rule on it.

    Worth repeating… “The hallmark of intelligence is the ability to see relationships between seemingly unrelated topics. The opposite of intelligence is…”

  17. aislander says:

    …that 4:35PM post!

  18. RLangdon says:

    aJ, I’m just sparring with aislander.

  19. averageJoseph says:

    Ummm… no, you’re sparring w/yourself. DB.

  20. bobcat1a says:

    “the ability to see relationships between seemingly unrelated topics” is also a characteristic of delusions and OC behaviors, aislander.

  21. RLangdon says:

    Yah! What bobcat1a said!!!

  22. averageJoseph says:

    … and your alt…

  23. RLangdon says:

    … and your altS… (How many of them are there now? In the triple digits by now I would guess? Just keepin it real don’tcha know!)

  24. aislander says:

    Only if the relationships don’t exist, bc1…

  25. averageJoseph says:

    I wonder why the address bar says “cant-have-it-both-ways” ?

    Donchya know, yes we can, some people were born that way.

  26. “Obamacare was NOT voted on by individual states”

    Oh goodie….now Congress will never have to do its job. Everything legislated on the Federal level will be voted on in national elections.

    I’m certain this is exactly what the founding fathers had in mind.

    We elected REPRESENTATIVES to do the lawmaking. Quit trying to change the system whenever you don’t get your way.

  27. charliebucket says:

    yes, I agree Larry, since when do we pass legislation by national vote or by opinion poll? for all the clamoring about the constitution by the right, they sure are quick to want to trash it or change our system to get their way. last I checked we were still a democratic republic with duly elected leaders to represent the will of the people. you don’t like how your rep votes on issues? go to the polls and cast your vote against him next time, that is your ultimate voice, that is how our system works.

  28. “It absolutely floors me that there are so many people who will accuse someone of hating simply because they disagree with what some group may be pushing!”

    … as when wrong-wingers accuse others of hating America.

  29. aislander says:

    I gotta say that it sure sounds as if the voices in sum-one’s head are having a love-fest in there…

  30. aislander says:

    test

  31. One Wren D. Nessle Buck identified hater’s observation: Marriage isn’t a “civil right”. It is a privilege granted by the State to ensure continuation of a viable society. I disagree that allowing homosexuals the “privilege” of marriage ensures the continuation of a viable society . . .

    Domestic Partnerships addressed the concerns of homosexual partners. Why the push for “marriage”?

  32. BlaineCGarver says:

    Great Caesar’s Ghost, what a bunch of knuckleheads…..

  33. “what a bunch of knuckleheads”

    Taking the high road again, eh?

  34. RLangdon says:

    Sorry aislander, you failed this “test”. You will need to reschedule and try again.

  35. spotted1 says:

    If it was not popular to be a homosexual, this issue would not even see the light of day. However, since homosexuality seems to be at an all time high of popularity now, the issue will be pushed and may or may not make its way through.

    As a friend of mine once said, “Know what gay marriage brings? Gay divorce. Ain’t nothing worse than gay divorce.” That is one of the rights that will be granted as part of this deal. Good times that one.

  36. averageJoseph says:

    “seems” is the operative word. ;)

  37. “Speaking of hate, I hate liars. I REALLY hate liars who push BS political views while claiming that everyone who disagrees is a spawn of Satan.”

    So how is it that you are a conservative republican that parrots the party line and only listens to the drug addict rush and fox news?

  38. “It absolutely floors me that there are so many people who will accuse someone of hating simply because they disagree with what some group may be pushing!”

    Is hypocrisy just not a bad thing for those on the right??
    They ALL revel in it!

  39. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Took, another question is why does TNT allow it?

  40. Been scrolling past kluwer for weeks now; saves a lot of time and wasted energy; it’s as easy to slipping by the noisy kid on the scooter when you’re out on a walk. Try it.

    There’s plenty of hate and intolerance going around to be sure, and much of it is coming from those who claim to be against it. They seem unable to detect it in themselves because they are so sure they are “right” about pretty much everything. In any event, reasonable conversations with them are about as easy as reasonable conversations with a neo-Nazi.

    Moving on.

  41. “Took, another question is why does TNT allow it?”

    Why do they allow you to post c7?
    You and your sock puppets out troll everyone else combined, even soso,
    so why do they allow you to post?

    soso says,
    “There’s plenty of hate and intolerance going around to be sure, and much of it is coming from those who claim to be against it.”

    ‘It’ being gay marriage, then you have just posted your first rational, truthful, honest statement!
    That it’s attached to the lie that you don’t read my posts, that I will over look.
    Congratulations on finding truth and honesty!
    How does it feel?

  42. averageJoseph says:

    Same here sozo… as well as a few others.

  43. HA!
    Well then that explains why your average joe responds to and address me then doesn’t it!

    Man, do cons ever tell the truth?

  44. sozo = to a right winger ‘reasonable conversation” is about as reasonable as a tea party compromise.

  45. took14theteam says:

    xring = to a left winger ‘reasonable conversation” is about as reasonable as a Mao compromise.

  46. commoncents says:

    This is one of those topics that no argument will ever change the mind of an individual on. If there is going to be change it will be the result of some personal experience or the passage of time.

    However, one thing I am firmly in belief of is that this forum and many of the individuals on it (from both sides of the argument)absolutely refuse to discuss it rationally and quickly devolve into name calling, obfuscation, and redirection. Makes it pointless really…

  47. took14theteam says:

    Awe, I am flattered. Kluless_sum had my comment deleted cause the truth hurts.

    :-)

  48. took14theteam says:

    DB

  49. Well “took”, that IS the liberal way. Go against the established mantra and find yourself censored. They love to silence the truth.

    (Interesting to note, while the liberal mind preaches warm and fuzzy love and peace, by censoring what they don’t want anyone to hear (opposing content) they adopt the very practices employed by the Hitler’s and Stalin’s of history.–They will vehemently roar against that thought, but it is true none the less–No doubt we will one day find Liberal Education Camps!)

  50. Liberal education camps? You mean like the public schools?

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