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Letter by Evelyn M. MacDuff, Lakewood on May 15, 2012 at 11:43 am with 160 Comments »
May 15, 2012 11:43 am

Leonard Pitts, Jr., writes (column, 5-13) that he is surprised that in this year 0f 2012, conservative Republicans are still debating issues such as women’s contraception, the Civil Rights Act, and voting rights, to mention a few. Why is he so surprised? The “United” States has an overblown government of Democrats and Republicans who can’t get their acts together on behalf of and for the benefit of the American people. We are being played like a ping pong ball, but let not your heart be troubled. The Obama re-election team’s new slogan is “Forward.” That’s right, more of the same. God have mercy.

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  1. As apposed to more of the other same?

  2. Forward, as apposed to backward?

  3. charliebucket says:

    God have mercy if Republicans get in power is all I can say. I will take 4 more years of Obama bumbling forward, then the party of religious zealots going backwards, any day.

  4. philichi says:

    I would be thrilled with a leader that knows how to form a budget and read a balance sheet. I would be happy to have a President who actively would like to solve our budget problems, not change the subject to the marriage of homosexuals.

  5. charliebucket says:

    Obama’s changing the subject to homosexual marriage? Obama is gathering signatures in WA to try to overturn what our state govt implemented? Obama is on the Supreme Court in CA ruling on their ban of same sex marriage? Obama just passed amendment 1 in NC??

    um, delusional as usual.

  6. sandblower says:

    phil, you make the assumption that the President cannot form a budget or read a balance sheet without providing any information with which to back up your claims.
    It’s called preconceived notions and there are lots of examples coming every day from the extreme right on these pages.

  7. BlaineCGarver says:

    Are we better off than we were almost four years ago? Oh, Hell No…. I’ll vote “R” even if they run an ex con. Yeah, it’s that bad in DC…

  8. charliebucket says:

    not only that sand, Obama is not responsible for actually writing the budget himself……but I guess it feels so intelligent to come back with anti Obama rhetoric, especially when that is all Obama haters have. I am not that big a fan of Obama, and there is plenty of valid criticism of him to be had, but the far right is laughable with their antics. They’d blame Obama for hemeroids if they had them.

  9. charliebucket says:

    blaine, trust me, I felt the same way about GBW in 2004 and 2008, and feel the same way about republicans right now as you do about Obama. I understand what you are saying. I would vote for chuck e. cheese before I would vote for a republican right now, but it hasn’t always been like that. The neocons have taken over and until the party comes back to some semblance of reason, they will never get my vote again.

  10. Theefrinker says:

    I think George Carlin said it best: “It’s all bull____ folks, and it’s bad for ya.”

  11. “philichi says:
    May 15, 2012 at 12:29 pm I would be thrilled with a leader that knows how to form a budget and read a balance sheet. I would be happy to have a President who actively would like to solve our budget problems, not change the subject to the marriage of homosexuals.”

    So, while the Republicans played games with “gays, guns and God”, as well as Reverend Wright, Bill Ayers, birth certificates, bare arms, illegal aunts, gay sex in limos, et al…. you focused on the economy in 2008 and worked on convincing John McCain that the “foundation of our economy” wasn’t in such great shape after all???????

    I’d be thrilled with a House majority that didn’t seek to cut domestic programs in lieu of making sure that the wealthy get additional tax cuts.

  12. charlie – I’d consider a good Republican. Whatever happened to the John McCain of 2000? Mitt Romney used to be close to a Democrat, he was so liberal. There is one way to be the GOP nominee – get as far to the right as is humanly possible.

  13. “I would be thrilled with a leader that knows how to form a budget and read a balance sheet.”

    Yep and as long as behnor is speaker of the House, you know where budgets come from, we won’t have a budget that works or is good for the nation.

  14. “Are we better off than we were almost four years ago?”

    Of course we are, you are just to partisan to admit it.
    And for you to say you are are going to vote the R is like saying the sun will rise in the East.

  15. charliebucket says:

    exactly larry……until the republicans come back toward center, I will not vote for them. Romney has caved to fit the new neocon bill and I think he will lose the general election because of it. he is not a neocon but is pandering to that base, and independents will not go for the narrow mindedness and religiosity of their social views, IMO. Obama won because of independents…Romney should be wooing those folks, instead he is moving so far right he has fallen off the globe. he is not ‘severely conservative’ and why in the world he is trying to convince people of that is wierd to me….the far right will never vote for Obama so Romney has that vote. no matter how loudly they scream he is a RINO they will vote for him come November. And Ron Paul supporters are more socially liberal, they will never embrace his new found neocon social views, IMO. I don’t know about you larry, but the separation of church and state is the biggest issue for me, right now, given everything, that is just how I am wired. History is chock full of the murderous ways of religious zealots.

  16. concernedtacoma7 says:

    And BHO did not pander to the far left with the recent gay marriage flip-flop? Please.

    The left continues to try and paint conservatives as extreme or “far right”. It is the left that has shifted. From gay marriage, attacking the Church, attacking the rich, dividing and pandering to special interests.

    Most of the planet has faith. The war on religion is not only ba PR, it is petty and obnoxious.

    Women are running from BHO and Julia. They do not want to be wards of the state. The working class has abandoned BHO, with exception of hard core union supporters.

    Supporting OWS and it’s anti-capitalist message was also another Dem mistake.

  17. truthbusterguy says:

    obama (I don’t call him president or Mr.) will be defeated in 2012. The reason is that he faces four serious threats. The economy is very weak and unlikely to experience a robust recovery by Election Day. Key voter groups have soured on him. He’s defending unpopular policies. And he’s made bad strategic decisions.

    Let’s start with the economy. Unemployment is at 8.1%, with almost 14 million Americans out of work. The last president re-elected with unemployment over 7.2% was FDR in 1936.

    obama also has problems with his base. Jewish voters are upset with his policy toward Israel, and left-wing loons are angry over obama’s failure to deliver a leftist utopia. Weak Jewish support could cost him Fla. for sure.

    Don’t get me started on how many blacks and hispanics no longer support “the first gay president”.

    Aren’t you kicking yourself now for voting for this empty suit in 2008. Don’t make the same mistake twice. Real Americans don’t do stupid things like that.

  18. menopaws says:

    We have a Congress that spends more time in front of the TV cameras than doing it’s job…….Plus, as reported on CBS news—more vacations and longer breaks than any other Congress in history. I personally want these mouth flappers to punch a time clock every time they make inside the building and only get paid for showing up and doing their job……..As far as the Obama slogan—better that than back to the 1950’s ala Romney…….I could never pull off the June Cleaver look and I know that there is not a Soviet Union anymore……..Forward works—backwards just gives me the chills…….

  19. GHTaxPayer says:

    Evelyn’s letter highlights the need for the Tea Party – reigning in runaway spending and government gone wild.

    Obama & Dems “Forward” has given us $4.25 gas, 12% unemployment, huge spikes in racial crimes, $16 Trillion national debt, and giving money & arms to women-hating Muslim Brotherhood.

    The rest of us would LOVE to go back to Reaganomics – $1.00 gas, 4% unemployment, $2 Trillion national debt.

  20. RLangdon says:

    Somehow, when President Obama’s campaign uses the word “forward” I am encouraged by that. I believe he is leading this country forward to a better future.

    Now, by comparison, I think former Republican VP Dan Quayle said it best for the Republican Party during his campaign and even today, when Dan said:

    “Let me just tell you how thrilling it really is, and how, what a challenge it is, because in 1988 the question is whether we’re going forward to tomorrow or whether we’re going to go past to the — to the back!”

    We certainly DO NOT want to go “past to the back” with Romney and The Republicans. That is for sure!!!

  21. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Going back to the 80’s for dirt on the republicans. Desperate!

    Do we need Biden quotes?

    Facts vs rhetoric. The 80’s (boom times) vs the last 3 years.

  22. aislander says:

    Fun Fact: Benito Mussolini was editor of the socialist newspaper, Avanti before forming his own Fascist Party. Avanti means “forward…”

  23. sevanup says:

    Truthabuserguy

    What do you know about blacks and hispanics? Judging by your last sentence, they are not “Real Americans” either.

  24. And BHO did not pander to the far left with the recent gay marriage flip-flop? Please.

    Why would a Socialist, Maoist, Marxist, Kenyan Communist need to pander to the “far left”?

    Conservatives continue to amuse the people with average intelligence.

  25. “The 80′s (boom times)”

    A strong sign of someone was born in the last 25 years. LOL

  26. “BlaineCGarver says:
    May 15, 2012 at 12:45 pm Are we better off than we were almost four years ago? Oh, Hell No….”

    Blaine had no money in the stock market four years ago.

  27. “The rest of us would LOVE to go back to Reaganomics – $1.00 gas, 4% unemployment, $2 Trillion national debt”

    $1.00 gasoline, average wage was $16,000

    4% unemployment – Ronnie allowed over 1,000,000 government employees to be hired. That helps a bunch.

    $2 trillion national debt – Pre-Bush/Iraq/Afghanistan/tax cuts

  28. aislander says:

    LarryH: You’ll have to show where revenue shortfalls due to the Bush tax rates, added to the cost of the wars over ten years added up to the budget deficits and debt accrued. They don’t.

    As for the avanti/forward post of yours: so fkn what? Forward was a socialist slogan in whatever language you chose…

  29. sevanup says:

    LSuitLarry
    Debt went from 900 billion to 2.85 trillion and our growth in GDP was cut almost in half from Carter to Reagan. Reagan was not a bad President but there isn’t alot to embellish either. He really had no use for large sectors of our population. Excuse me, my ketchup (vegetable) is almost warm.

  30. aislander – you don’t accept simple math, huh?

    More costs

    Plus less revenue

    equals more debt.

    Yeah….spin that one.

    Avanti means a whole lotta words….But you know what?

    I’ll take forward over backward any day.

    You might want to dust up on the history of the publication also. It ain’t as your talking point said….

  31. “And BHO did not pander to the far left with the recent gay marriage flip-flop?”

    The fact that you think gay marriage is ‘far left’ and a flip flop is telling of just how far right and out of touch you really are.

  32. “Fun Fact: Benito Mussolini was editor of the socialist newspaper”

    Are you still beating this dead horse?
    You’ve been more than prove wrong on you wild made up ideas, give up already!

  33. “Evelyn’s letter highlights the need for the Tea Party”

    The astro turf has dried up man, move on.

  34. “The 80′s (boom times)”

    ROTFL!!!

  35. aislander says:

    “[Mussolini was]Originally a member of the Italian Socialist Party and editor of the Avanti! from 1912 to 1914…” from Wiki

    “I’ll take forward over backward any day.”
    Even when going forward toward the edge of cliff? You ARE a true believer!

  36. aislander says:

    My point was that there was NO drop in revenues until the onset of the current economic malaise, so tax cuts can’t be blamed for the increased debt accrued.

    The wars can be blamed only for about $100 billion per year on the average, only a small fraction of the trillion-plus dollar deficits…

  37. RLangdon says:

    aislander, here’s a Fun Fact for YOU: Iraq’s Sadam Hussein called his army The “Republican” Guard.

  38. aislander says:

    Another Fun Fact: North Korea goes by the same designation as the Democratic People’s Republic of Washington State.

  39. Here’s a fun fact – there is nothing known as The Democratic Peoples Republic Of Washington State other than in the mindless dribble of conservatives.

    Another fabricated nothing.

  40. More fun facts:

    Al Queda – conservative

    Saddan Hussein – conservative

    Ahmadinejad – conservative

    Should I keep going?

  41. aislander says:

    Just a little sparring with RL, LH, which you apparently took MUCH too seriously…

  42. aislander says:

    Yes. DO keep going if you wish to prove yourself an idiot…

  43. RLangdon says:

    Oh, he’s already proven that in spades, time and time again aislander. Or perhaps I should say, moniker after moniker.

  44. “Are we better off than we were almost four years ago? Oh, Hell No”

    Stock market is up to double its low point.
    GDP is up for eleven consecutive quarters.
    Unemployment is down about 20% from its high.

    I’d say we’re a LOT better off. But then, I’m not in the fantasy world.

  45. “The left continues to try and paint conservatives as extreme or “far right”. It is the left that has shifted.”

    Bull. That’s an absolute lie.

    The wrong wing has moved so far to the right that they now oppose things that they themselves once proposed, like the EPA and healthcare.

  46. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Larry pulls out the old blame Bush and the excuse that others spent too much also.

    At least the Bush tax cuts put money back into the wallets of the people that earned. You far left clowns would have preferred he gave it all to campaign fundraisers like BHO or plowed it into failed green companies.

    The wars are almost equal to the cost of BHOs regulations.

    At least ehill tried to use facts. Yes, stock market is up. And BHO gets credit? Then he gets credit for the cost of gas. And the shrinking workforce. Any small improvements we have had in the economy are in spite of BHO. Obamacare and D-F in the middle of a downturn. How foolish can one get? Keynes is rolling over in his grave.

  47. “The 80′s (boom times)”

    Revisionist bull.

    When Reagan took office in 1981, unemployment was 7.5%. Following the passage of the Economic Recovery Tax Act of 1981 in July, unemployment went up. And up. And up. And up. Unemployment went up every month for seventeen consecutive months. It topped out at a whopping 10.8% in December 1982. And it didn’t drop back to where it started until May of 1984.

    Oh yeah, great times. The prices for sleeping spaces under bridges tripled.

  48. “Obama & Dems “Forward” has given us $4.25 gas, 12% unemployment”

    Unemployment is 8.1%, brainiac.

  49. Benito Mussolini was editor of the socialist newspaper, Avanti before forming his own Fascist Party.” … when he declared war on Socialism.

    Facts. They trump bull every time.

  50. Once again the delusional right wants to blame Obama for not writing a budget when the Constitution restricts that duty to the House of Representatives!

    BGC – ask first what have the Rpots done and what have they proposed to do to help the economy.

    Answer – nothing but the same failed voodoo economic policies that got busted the economy in the first place.

    CT7 – to know how extreme the right wing is one need only listen to them.

    The 80’s were ‘boom times’ because Regan raised taxes on the rich, and jobs were being created in the US not in China, India, and other third world sweatshops.

    Aislander – funny but the German Army wore belt buckles (in two wars) that read “God is with us.”

    More voodoo economics – $2 billion a week in Afghanistan alone has no impact on our economy.

    US Debt:
    2000 = $5.67 trillion

    2008 = $10.0 trillion

    CT7 – I would have preferred Bush to have stayed with the Clinton/Gingrich balanced budget agenda rather that starting two unnecessary wars and giving tax breaks to help send us jobs overseas.

  51. averageJoseph says:

    LMAO… Avanti means “forward…” , indeed…

    Funny, the sudden surge of wallpaper after that fact.

  52. “concernedtacoma7 says:
    May 15, 2012 at 7:07 pm Larry pulls out the old blame Bush and the excuse that others spent too much also.”

    There is no denying history.

    Was someone else President from 2001 to 2009? Who else came up with the idea of two wars and tax cuts? It seems that the Republicans controlled the House, Senate AND Administration from 2001 to 2007.

    I see RL still hasn’t gotten over that mucked up issue on the Catholic Church and birth control.

    Isn’t it cute when Aislander gets trumped in his own game that everyone else becomes an idiot?

    If RL wasn’t such a liberal, he and aislander could have a summer thing, but who wants to spend the summer fighting with a love interest?

  53. Dave98373 says:

    “Unemployment is 8.1%, brainiac.”
    That number does not factor in the under-employed and the workers who just gave up looking for employment. Most unbiased and non-government studies (the DOL numbers are not accurate…they are merely just based on unemployment claims submitted) peg the actual number between 14.9% to 20%. But, even using your dubious 8.1%, the U.S. economy has never seen any unemployment number below 8% since BHO took office in January 2009. Moreover, the DOL had the unemployment rate at 4.4% back in May 2007. Hardly anything to be proud of in your failed hope and change legacy!!

  54. ehill – the problem with these clowns is that you and I were alive during Reagan’s Administration. We remember the inflation, recession and how Reagan supported the cut of social programs while the cost of living skyrocketed. I don’t know about anyone else, but the value of my house increased about 100% in inflationary money during the 1980s, but my income only grew about 10% at best.

    Oh darn it….how can you be my son if we are basically the same age? I guess the jackasses wer wrong on that one, also. Maybe they need a better than AVERAGE leader to follow. Someone that will subscribe to a real data base.

  55. Let’s see…Obama is in office so NOW we calculate the underemployed, yadda, yadda, that we didn’t calculate from 2001 to 2009.

    Wake up children, employment has been sinking in the US since Reagan provided the tools to break unions and the outsourcing began. Clinton did nothing to help. Bush 1 was Reagan on roids. Bush 2 was Daddy on roids.

    When manufacturing started to leave and tariffs were removed, the ball started rolling and it is not stopping, no matter who is in the White House.

  56. “At least the Bush tax cuts put money back into the wallets of the people that earned.”

    We have the same tax cuts in place now. Obama must really be a hero, huh? Damn, those tax cuts are really creating jobs, aren’t they?

    CT7 – keep up the comedy routine. We are going to need laughs. It’s gonna get uglier before November.

  57. concernedtacoma7 says:

    ehill needs a lesson on the unemployment rate. While BHO loves to scream the 8.1%, most people know it only tells a very small part of the story.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unemployment#United_States_Bureau_of_Labor_Statistics

    How about labor participation under BHO? Thats a fun stat. America is so much better under dems, if you like a check in the mail and not working.

  58. concernedtacoma7 says:

    What a loser. Do I need go look up how many times you bashed the Bush tax cuts (which at this point are just our tax rates)?

    Unemployment under Bush was almost as low (statistically and structurally) as it can go until the dems took congress. For the economically ingorant out there, it not zero.

  59. Dave98373 says:

    “Let’s see…Obama is in office so NOW we calculate the underemployed, yadda, yadda, that we didn’t calculate from 2001 to 2009″

    ANY math you choose to use will illustrate failed policies by Obama. However, if you want to use the current method of arriving at 8.1% (DOL). Fine. The Obama administration would still have the record for the longest streak of unemployment at 8% and above not seen since the Great Depression. (Using DOL math)

  60. Deregulation = practical anarchy in action.

    CT7 – the major problem with Dodd-Frank is that it was water-down (due to rpots), not fully funded (due to rpots) and not fully implemented (due to rpots).

    Deregulation costs far more and is the root cause of our economic problems.

    Compared to the rpot lust for power the Dems are rank armatures.

    Aislander,

    JP Morgan Loses $2 Billion On Risky Trade After Lobbying To Weaken Trading Restrictions

    the trade was called a hedge to take advantage of a loop hole in the regulations.

    http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/05/11/482490/jp-morgan-loses-lobby-trade/?mobile=nc

    CT7 – the fact that unemployment under Bush suddenly doubled under Obama means that there was a change in how the rate was calculated and or a massive downturn on our economy.

    If we can not blame Bush for the lingering impacts of his compassionate conservative voodoo economic polices you can not credit Bush with anything that happened after he left office.

  61. RLangdon says:

    Dave98373 says: “The Obama administration would still have the record for the longest streak of unemployment at 8% and above not seen since the Great Depression. (Using DOL math)”

    And so Dave, who held that record before President Obama? Would that be President Franklin D. Roosevelt, one of the greatest American Presidents of all time, acknowledged as such by majorities on both sides of the political spectrum. Does that mean that as President Barack H. Obama brings us out of this recession, as FDR brought America out of The Great Depression, Obama will also be heralded as a great president like FDR? (The word you are looking for is: Yes!)

    Well then, we all need to get start repealing the 2 term limit for presidents, so that we can re-elect President Obama to a third term when his second term is almost over.

    By the way, which presidents are in the basement of the presidential rankings bottom 10? Herbert Hoover and George W. Bush for sure!!! Yet another historical parallel.

  62. aislander says:

    I had an epiphany regarding what we’re up against here, ct7, Aj, et al.

    The part of the Democrat Party that is involved in electoral politics and the bureaucracy is the new home of organized crime in America. Bobby Kennedy went after the cosa nostra because he wanted to eliminate the competition.

    The part of that party that’s NOT in office is given to magical thinking and the denial of reality, as well as to receiving stolen property…

  63. RLangdon says:

    Then, aislander, the part of the GOP that is involved in electoral politics and the bureaucracy is the home (old and new) of DISORGANIZED CRIME, as in The Gang That Couldn’t Shoot Straight. I mean, seriously, look at the clowns they have running their party! Romney, Gingrich, Santorum, Palin, McCain and more. It’s like The Three Stooges meet The Marx Brothers and join under the leadership of Dumb, Dumber and Dumberer!

    The part of the GOP that’s not in office right now is hiding out, in the deepest darkest shadows, waiting for Romney to be humiliated by Obama’s re-election, so that they can get started with a real campaign and serious candidates next time.

  64. averageJoseph says:

    Interesting aislander. Note the tailgater that failed at co-opting your observation. LoL.

  65. aislander says:

    Thanks, aJ. I’m actually serious about this and believe the topic deserves further exploration. When Willie Sutton was asked why he robbed banks, he said that’s where the money is.

    DC is where the money is. Or was…

  66. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Let’s not discount the no-show jobs.

  67. ct7 – but I want to talk about the no-show jobs that keep showing up in china, india, and other offshore heavens of democracy and justice.

  68. JimK – don’t need you to answer the same questions to know you moniker ie really JimKKK.

  69. LarryWM44 says:

    God have Mercy on America. We again are forced to vote for who will do less damage, not the best person.

  70. It is clear that most of the posters here have not taken Civics 101.

  71. 98373,

    OK, you wanna use the U6 figure? Let’s do that.

    http://portalseven.com/employment/unemployment_rate_u6.jsp

    Gee, look at that. U6 unemployment is dropping, just like all the other 5 figures. What a shock.

    Dropping unemployment. Good news for America. Bad news for the wrong wing.

  72. concernedtacoma7 says:
    May 15, 2012 at 8:10 pm What a loser. Do I need go look up how many times you bashed the Bush tax cuts (which at this point are just our tax rates)?
    Unemployment under Bush was almost as low (statistically and structurally) as it can go until the dems took congress. For the economically ingorant out there, it not zero.

    Considering the over one million government jobs added during the Bush era, we’d like to hope that unemployment was down. As to “bashing Bush tax cuts”, how about learning that there are two sides to the balance sheet…..BUSH CUT TAXES AND ADDED TWO WARS.

  73. “If we can not blame Bush for the lingering impacts of his compassionate conservative voodoo economic polices you can not credit Bush with anything that happened after he left office.”

    I thought Bush was responsible for the killing of Bin Laden and the Somali pirates. Bush didn’t loan money to GM but is responsible for their climb out of bankruptcy….or is that Romney?

  74. Some of us believe we are voting for the better person and the better policies.

    Larry – that is what we used to call drinking the red koolaide.

  75. “Moreover, the DOL had the unemployment rate at 4.4% back in May 2007.”

    OK Dave…and THEN what happened next? When did we start “losing jobs”?

  76. xring – unfortunately for the conservatives, we are not as ignorant as their voting base and we don’t buy their history rewrites, especially the ones that are within the last four years.

    Keep your eyes open for a “terrorist” story about Obama. FOX has been brewing it since the end of April.

  77. GHTaxPayer says:

    This just in – Romney leads Obama in ALL polls, even Dem-biased NY Times poll.

    This just in – Romney leads among women voters in ALL polls, average baseline of 4.6% lead over Obama.

    This just in – unemployment numbers on the rise again, even as Obama cooks the books to throw another 325,000 WOMEN off of the count, saying that these women “aren’t actively looking for work so we’re not counting them”. Total BS. These women and the other 30 Million unemployed Americans are desperately looking for work during the Obama depression.

  78. “Romney leads Obama in ALL polls”

    Here’s a clue, pal. When you make stuff like this up, you should at least put in a minimum effort to make it somewhat hard to debunk.

    http://www.pollingreport.com/wh12gen.htm

  79. WOW, GH…what a great thing!!! What’s the plus or minus on those polls?

    This just in – GH Taxpayer is fudging again…

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html

    Now, that being said, polls 6 months out of a general election are usually worthless.

  80. RLangdon says:

    Frida, could you elaborate on your Civics 101 comment? Thanks!

  81. aislander says:

    xring writes: “Some of us believe we are voting for the better person and the better policies.”

    That is either the most laughable or the most sad sentence I have read in a long time.

    It is laughable if you expect us to buy it, but sad if you actually believe it…

  82. Republicans can’t have it both ways. You can’t complain about unemployment rates without looking at the causes. Since 2008, 41% of job loss has been in the financial sector and government. The financial sector of course comes from the Bush collapse.

    The persistent high rate of unemployment is due to continuing government job layoffs. CNBC estimated that the peak unemployment rate would have been 8.1% without government job layoffs and the current unemployment rate would be .

    http://www.cnbc.com/id/45883035

    One has to face facts that the Republican idea of government job cuts, lower taxes have not helped out recession, especially in unemployment rate. The private sector is recovering, with steady, but slow job growth, but government job losses are suffering the largest decline since 1948.

    “In April (2012) the household survey showed that that there were 442,000 fewer people working in government than in March. … It marks the largest decline on both an absolute and a percentage basis on record going back to 1948.”

    http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/wsj-columnist-government-layoffs-maki

  83. “That is either the most laughable or the most sad sentence I have read in a long time.

    Actually, that is the most laughable or the most sad sentence I have read in a long time.

  84. “aislander says:
    May 16, 2012 at 9:51 am xring writes: “Some of us believe we are voting for the better person and the better policies.”
    That is either the most laughable or the most sad sentence I have read in a long time.”

    Of course, Romney has no policies and hasn’t even been in the game for many years (2007). It’s always easiest from the cheap seats.

    “I’ve been on the bench for the last five seasons but if the coach would just put me in, we’d win”

  85. “so tax cuts can’t be blamed for the increased debt accrued.”

    With all the lies you cons have to keep repeating how do you keep them straight?

  86. “DO keep going if you wish to prove yourself an idiot…”

    You mean proving YOU the idiot, which is real easy to do.

  87. “Unemployment under Bush was almost as low (statistically and structurally) as it can go until the dems took congress”

    OK Einstein, tell us, specifically, what he evil Democrats DID to cause unemployment after they took Congress.
    Remember now it has to be some legislation they passed, because that is the only thing they can do.
    So back up your comment with some facts.

  88. “The part of the Democrat Party that is involved in electoral politics and the bureaucracy is the new home of organized crime in America.”

    Drunk and delusional.

  89. GHTaxPayer says:

    My mistake – Romney only leads in 3 out of 4 polls. I guess I’m getting so optimistic about the chance to kick Obama and failed liberalism to the curb:

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/dougschoen/2012/05/14/what-the-polls-are-telling-us-now/

    Unemployment rate back up to 8.2%, even though Obama is cooking the books on unemployment numbers by kicking WOMEN off of the unemployed ranks:
    http://www.gallup.com/poll/125639/Gallup-Daily-Workforce.aspx

    Women are disgusted with Obama and switch support to Romney:

    http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/johncassidy/2012/05/romney-leads-obama-in-latest-poll.html

  90. from real clear politics = GHT is either wrong are a big fat pants on fire liar.

    of the 8 pools rcp tracks, Obama leads in 3, 2 are ties, and Romney leads in 3 are within the margin of error.

    aislander – sadder still is your guy is on every side of every issue which means he has no policies save the rich must be made richer.

    tuddo – it is not just federal jobs being lost; many state and local government jobs are being lost due to ill-advised rpot austerity programs and failed voodoo economic policies.

  91. xring – GHT didn’t read the Cassidy blog in the New Yorker. It quoted the RCP poll.

    As usual, they only read the headlines and then try to make the story.

  92. The link to the gallup poll says nothing about WOMEN

  93. From the Forbes link:

    “President is currently trailing Governor Romney by four points according to polling conducted by Rasmussen Reports between May 10-May 12th, with Romney leading 48%-44% — while the latest Gallup numbers show the race effectively tied with President Obama holding a one-point lead over Governor Romney (46%-45%) .

    What does this mean?”

    To GHT it means 3 out of 4. Of course, those numbers are already replaced by the May 15 numbers.

    Don’t bluff, GHT, you’re really bad at it.

  94. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    Since 2008, 41% of job loss has been in the financial sector and government.

    CNBC estimated that the peak unemployment rate would have been 8.1% without government job layoffs and the current unemployment rate would be … (?)

    So are you suggesting the way out of this recession is to hire more government workers? (Isn’t that a bit like Pelosi claiming that unemployment money stimulates the economy?) Who is going to pay for these workers?

    A few points you need to remember:

    – Only a small fraction of laid-off government workers were federal employees.
    – In fact, Including postal workers, overall federal employment under 0bama has risen from 2,792,000 to 2,821,000 since January 2009.
    – The agencies, departments, etc, for which federal employees work have budgets, but the federal government can also print money – unlike state and local governments.
    – Despite all the layoffs over the past few years, the public sector still has 7 percent more workers than it had at the beginning of 2000. The private sector, on the other hand, has about 1 percent fewer jobs.

    http://money.usnews.com/money/careers/articles/2011/07/08/public-sector-job-cuts-threaten-recovery

    In other words, it’s a specious comparison.

  95. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Larry,

    You claim 1mil govt workers under Bush.

    The population went up 22mil, so that is less than 20-1 govt employee to citizen.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States

    Xring- where is this austerity? That is a liberal myth. Even Ryan’s budget grows, just not as fast as the zero vote crap dems proposed.

    And we can blame any recent drop in the govt workforce on both parties building a bloated, inefficient govt. The fat needed to be trimmed.

  96. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Kluless- The EPA’s attack on energy. Dodd-Frank. Fannie and Freddie making this mess. Anything Pelosi voted for. Over regulation making business in America a nightmare.

  97. http://www.independent.org/newsroom/news_detail.asp?newsid=31

    I do like your analysis, though, CT7.

    To say that Bush hired a government worker for every additional 20 people in the US is a rather spendy way of providing customer service. When I handled advertising for a newspaper chain, I had 42 weekly accounts and 60 others that ran either monthly or casual. Of course, our newspaper chain didn’t have a bank account like Bush’s White House.

  98. “EPA’s attack on energy” Oh Gaaaaaaaaaaawd.

    Don’t you get tired of your own bumpersticker slogan comments????

  99. I have a great idea. Let’s have a real discussion on jobs.

    What is the Republican/conservative answer to all of the outsourcing of manufacturing that has taken place since the Reagan era? Those jobs are gone and NEVER returning, regardless of the “economy”. Conservatives applaud using cheap labor in foreign countries, all the while putting up their faux complain about unemployment.

    What say we put a healthy tariff on foreign made goods, to stimulate manufacturing in the US – those monies being made available as business loans – to create manufacturing jobs? When those jobs (middle class wages, mind you) become income, the additional tax base, and money spent in local economies will provide immediate relief to our lagging economy.

    Who stands in the way of those tariffs? The same Republicans/conservatives that bemoan the unemployment they created.

  100. xring, actually, I was including state and federal government jobs. The idea that taxes are evil and government employees must be the ones that suffer the most in this recession is a Republican idea that has been transmitted and followed by state legislators because the public is constantly bombarded by this economic approach that has never worked to get our nation out of recession.

  101. “In fact, Including postal workers, overall federal employment under 0bama has risen from 2,792,000 to 2,821,000 since January 2009.”

    is NOT in this:

    http://money.usnews.com/money/careers/articles/2011/07/08/public-sector-job-cuts-threaten-recovery

    The tactic of filibuster is to say a lot, and say nothing at the same time.

  102. obama is outta here! And not soon enough. He hasn’t done a dang thing in office, hes alienating many of the people who fell for his game and voted for him, and now I heard on the news just yesterday, much to the chagrin of Tacoma’s local liberals I’m sure, that his voiced support of homosexual marriage has the DIS-approval of the majority of Americans.

    That guy is slowly but surely falling on his face. And thank God for that.

  103. Glad to see those 13 hour days are few and far between.

    The “gay marriage” thread is over there———>

    Obsess much?

  104. concernedtacoma7 says:

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2012/may/16/obama-budget-defeated-99-0-senate/

    Great plan BHO! Not one sympathy vote?

    Larry, look up the Great Depression. This was tried once already.

    And your newspaper example is a great. Private sector and profits vs govt. You show how much better a motivated citizen can accomplish a task over a govt employee.

  105. alindasue says:

    Vox_clamantis_in_deserto,

    Why did you provide a link to an article that says the complete opposite of the point you were trying to make?

    From the article, “A measly 18,000 jobs were added in June, carried by an increase of 57,000 jobs in the private sector but dulled by losses of 39,000 jobs in the public sector.”

    Even the title of the article, Public Sector CUTS Threaten Economy (emphasis mine), contradicts what you were saying in your post.

    By the way, the government can’t “just print money” without further devaluing the dollar.

    xring, LarryH,

    You know that I don’t consider YouTube videos a reliable source for information, but occasionally some of the political commentary (opinion pieces) can be quite interesting. There was an entertaining political cartoon I saw yesterday that ties in to this topic that you might like:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7fCsEER7t8

    Enjoy!

  106. alindasue says:

    concernedtacoma7 said, “You show how much better a motivated citizen can accomplish a task over a govt employee.”

    Just as you always seem to forget that government employees are also tax payers, you also seem to forget that they are just as much citizens as anyone else in the community. Knowing both people who work in the private sector and people who work for the government in some way, I’d say that there’s about the same balance of motivated to unmotivated citizens in both groups of people.

  107. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Thanks for the correction. Replace citizen with private sector employee.

    No doubt there are good public sector employees. But as a whole, the employee motivated by profit, in a job where they can actually get fired for poor performance, is more motivated. Agree? Nevermind the self employed. They work longer hours and are actually more satisified with life.

  108. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Larry, a little reading for you-

    “Businesses, particularly smaller companies that lack scale to negotiate bulk prices, can also face higher prices from trade sanctions, according to a Bloomberg Government analysis of 35 recent trade sanctions on Chinese goods. A 2009 decision to impose duties on Chinese imports of citric acid, which is used in everything from detergent to soda, resulted in higher prices, the analysis found. U.S. actions don’t happen without consequences. The Chinese routinely retaliate against U.S. trade sanctions by imposing tariffs on American imports such as cars and chicken parts. Energy analysts say China will probably respond to the solar tariffs by imposing a tax on U.S.-made polysilicon, a solar component, further hurting the market”

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-05-15/obama-s-tariffs-on-china-s-solar-products-will-cost-u-s-.html

  109. GHTaxPayer says:

    Oh-no! Bogus “War on women” backfiring on Obama as women smart enough to see thru smoke & mirrors and that Obama is throwing more people into poverty and debt than any other President in US history:

    http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/conscience-conservative/2012/may/15/new-poll-shows-romney-leading-obama-among-women-vo/

  110. So we fear China? OK I thought we were the biggest, baddest, numero uno, yadda, yadda…… Do you think that China wants to hurt the guys that owe them money? Maybe we need to quit buying into the fear tactics of conservative businessmen that love the profits on Chinese goods.

    Washington Times????? Can’t you find something in American Thinker? Why was the budget defeated? Come on, it’s an easy answer….. You can even cheat and use google. Don’t be a rube and use the Washington Times. Reverend Moon is so far to the right that his sun sets in the east.

    I’m glad you liked my newspaper example. I demonstrated how Bush’s 20 to 1 ratio of workers to citizens (YOUR example) SUCKS.

  111. GHTaxPayer says:

    OMG! Obama’s budget so horribly irresponsible that not even Dems or Unions support it !! Aiyee !!
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2012/may/16/obama-budget-defeated-99-0-senate/

    Hasta La Vista, Spendaholic Socialista !!

  112. LOLOLOL

    Look who tosses out the nest Washington Times article

    With the misrepresentations earlier, I’ll not waste my time.

  113. Here’s answers from a bunch of people that know what the Washington Times can’t figure out.

    http://www.topix.com/forum/city/bellefontaine-oh/TL772JV40RPH6B971

    alindasue – priceless!!!!!!

  114. You conservatives are really disappointing me. FOX has been working like crazy trying to develop the latest Obama scandal and you don’t know anything about it. Does it take a liberal to educate you guys?

  115. GHTaxPayer says:

    Larry, you can try and spin it like all good liberals do, but facts are FACTS: Obama’s budget and spending are so horribly bad that not one single Dem in House or Senate voted for it and the unions are against it !

  116. “But as a whole, the employee motivated by profit, in a job where they can actually get fired for poor performance, is more motivated. Agree? Nevermind the self employed. They work longer hours and are actually more satisified with life.”

    Francis, when you spew garbage like this you expose yourself as being an undereducated person that used the military for a lack of the ability to hold a job in the real world.

    Aren’t stereotypes fun?

  117. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Larry, be careful with that tone.

    Is what I said wrong?

  118. GHT…..uh no….even your article said the Dems didn’t vote for it because they thought the Republicans falsified the numbers from the original White House submitted budget.

    Why don’t you read your own stories you use as support data? You end up looking really stupid.

  119. francis….what tone? Is something I said wrong? How do you hear tones on a blog?

    Is something you said wrong? Only if stereotypes are wrong.

  120. Here, GHT…the first sentence in the fourth paragraph.

    “Democrats disputed that it was actually the president’s plan, arguing that the slim amendment didn’t actually match Mr. Obama’s budget document, which ran thousands of pages.”

    Why don’t you read your own “proof”??????

    Even the Washington Time has to tell part of the truth sometimes.

  121. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Larry, they asked the dems to point out one number that was incorrect and they could not. Stop your selective editing.

  122. Oh and as to the CBS/NYTimes polling…

    46% said they’d vote for Romney.

    50% said they approve of Mr. Obama’s performance as president.

    Now explain who would say the approve of the President’s performance, but vote for the other guy who has no policy or performance?

    This is why polls have a plus or minus factor – somewhere between 3 and 6.

    The poll is a dead heat – no surprise at this point.

    If a poll said Obama was ahead by 10 next week, the conservatives would say that “polls are meaningless”.

  123. concerned….REGARDLESS…..THAT was the reason they voted it down.

    Read the article.

    Do you think the Dems said “Oh since you challenged us, we’ll vote down the budget because we don’t like the President”?????????

    Gawd, I hate spoonfeeding….

  124. concernedtacoma7 says:

    I’ll continue my education of Larry. More proof this admin is a failure and nothing but lies.

    http://blog.american.com/2012/05/the-3-economic-charts-that-could-crash-obamas-reelection-hopes/

    Try and focus on the data. Thanks!!

    And please, stop with weak excuses. Facts today, for once.

  125. Whether the president was embarrassed remains to be seen, but a procedural motion to proceed to the Obama budget failed 99-0.

    There is less significance to that tally than it would appear. Not every Democrat opposes the president’s tax-and-spending plan, but a presidential budget is a different beast than a Congressional plan.

    The White House’s budget funds cabinet departments, agencies and divisions line by line, program by program, in a document several feet high. A Congressional budget is a nonbinding blueprint on spending and tax policy, setting out broad parameters that are filled in later by committees that have jurisdiction in specific areas. For lawmakers to approve a presidential budget as it is presented would be to forgo Congress’s constitutional power of the purse.

    Francis…..there is the real issue….far to complex for you.

    “blog.america.com”???????

    Oh this should be priceless.

  126. “Kluless- The EPA’s attack on energy. Dodd-Frank. Fannie and Freddie making this mess. Anything Pelosi voted for. Over regulation making business in America a nightmare.”

    So other than 3rd grade name calling you’ve got just what we all expected….nothing.
    In fact it’s well known and proven that deregulation is what CAUSED the melt down!
    Have got anything, anything at all that isn’t from the gop party line?
    Why don’t you add to the discussion for a change?

  127. “And please, stop with weak excuses. Facts today, for once.”

    I think this one may be this MONTHS hypocrisy moment!

  128. “The American Enterprise Institute for Public Policy Research (AEI) is a conservative[2][3][4][5] think tank founded in 1943″

    Go back to the Washington Times. They might be less biased.

  129. Wow, look how desperate the rightists are!

  130. concernedtacoma7 says:

    No deflecting Larry. Focus on the data.

  131. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Sources of the data- US Dept of Commerce, Dept of Labor.

    Come on buddy, you can be better than this!

  132. Anyone can misrepresent the Dept of Commerce and Dept of Labor.

  133. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Nope. Try again. No deflection. No wild conspiracy theories. No Iraq or Bush. Facts and figures please.

    You can do it!

  134. “Larry, be careful with that tone.”

    Or what?

  135. Here….a comment from the AEI blog:

    “Thank you so much for bringing these charts to Rush today – although he struggles with visuals on his radio show, he always seems to find a way to communicate the concept in an auditory way. Biden is an idiot and Hussein is a liar”

    Yeah….a real unbias representation of figures.

    Chart three had me laughing so hard I almost puked. a five percent spread, but the way they charted it, makes it look like our country has fallen over the edge of life itself.

    Those charts were made for the truly uneducated and it appears they have reached their target market.

    Francis is new at this stuff. I can tell. I’ve been presenting charts for persuasive purpose since 1975. I’m not quite so easily CONned.

  136. Let’s burst the bubble:

    Chart #1 – The representation is a conflict within itself. How can all years start at the same point? Every year the GDP starts at “0”? I don’t think so. And how can the year 1982, begin in the first quarter of 2009? Someone is doing nothing other than drawing lines to attract attention.

    Chart #2 – Read verbatim, there was a big jump from “before 2009″ (they don’t document when)and then a peak and valley flux within 10 points running through present. Only one problem – ten point of what? They don’t say what the left hand numbers represent

    Chart #3 – My personal favorite. At least they said what the left column is….”percent”. Percent of what? “Civilian employment population ratio” Nice. Only one problem. A ratio would have comparatives. This has one line graph depicted to be falling off the end of the earth when they are only showing a five point range – between 58 and 63. Again, 5% of what?????

    These are nothing but tools to fool the easily fooled. Kinda reminds me of reading radio and TV ratings when I was buying advertising.

  137. averageJoseph says:

    OK Dave…and THEN what happened next? When did we start “losing jobs”?

    After Nancy and Harry’s party took control.

  138. What did the Dems do, JoeyD?

    Since the Republicans filibustered everything from 2007 to 2009, there was nothing that the Democratic majority brought to the table that became law.

    It had nothing to do with the Democratic Party.

    Oh and actually we started losing jobs when the market went TU. The Demos took over almost two years prior to that. As usual, you haven’t got a clue nor fact of the issue that took place only back in 2008.

    Limited memory.

  139. “My mistake – Romney only leads in 3 out of 4 polls”

    Ahem. Here’s another clue, pal. When you make stuff like this up, you should at least put in a minimum effort to make it somewhat hard to debunk.


    Fox News Poll today: Obama 46%, Romney 39%.
    AP-GfK Poll May 8: Obama 50%, Romney 42%.
    Reuters/Ipsos Poll, May 8: Obama 49%, ROmney 42%.
    Public Religion Research Institute/Religion News Service, May 7: Obama 47%, Romney 38%.
    Investor’s Business Daily/Christian Science Monitor/TIPP Poll, May 5: Obama 46%, Romney 43%.
    Resurgent Republic poll, May 4: Obama 49, Romney 42%

  140. You know, if your babies behaved like this in public, I’d swat your behinds and stick you in separate corners! And quite frankly, as usual, with no surprises, the loudest and most obnoxious, (and still unable to make a convincing argument for their case!) are the local liberals in these threads. They also post the most, all day long. My guess is some of them have found a way to milk the system and sit in the house all day! My guess is they are all welfare cases without jobs, which makes their support of the socialists, and liberals in government, so appealing to them with their handouts.

  141. averageJoseph says:

    Looks like erik is getting riled up.

  142. “Reuters/Ipsos Poll, May 8: Obama 49%, ROmney 42%.”

    That’s interesting “ehill”…just yesterday I was listening to the news. ABC indicated the nearly the exact opposite as of yesterday.

    I guess maybe we should turn of the TV and radio news and just get it all from EHill News Broadcasting Company! HAAA!

    I also found it interesting, especially after spending the last week or so, listening to you characters spout off your twists and deceptions regarding the public’s wonderful “support” of the gay marriage issue, that the majority of American did not support obama in his recently declared support on that issue.

    I imagine then it would still be safe to say, if they dont support obama in that, and in fact his rating have begun to fall since his “evolution”, that most American in truth, do NOT support your silly cause.

    But then I am sure you are all correct, and the mainstream news broadcasters are just lying to us. … Yep! Sure that HAS to be it! :D

  143. My last post nudged me to go do some quick internet research. In the interest of time and space, (anyone interested can go look for themselves) I wont mess around with copy-pasting links. But it appears there are a few polls that give obama the nod, there are a few that show a tie, or close to one, but in general, as of today, most that I saw were giving the lead, even if slight to Romney.

    My guess is as the months go on, that trend will continue. obama cant seem to put one foot in front of the other without tripping on himself.

    For over three years we have watched this guy pander and paddle, and change his “evolution” to suit what ever wind is blowing at the time. A perfect example of a politician, NOT a national LEADER.

  144. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Good job Larry!!! I knew you could do it!

    Your actually response gets a ‘D-‘. I am being generous since you tried to argue. Overall, you get an ‘F’ for deflecting, first attacking the source then claiming the govt made up the numbers.

    The charts were fairly basic.

    1. Look at the top left corner. 0=lowest point in the recession. Pretty simple and clear.

    2. I’ll give you that one. But the trend line is clear. They were designed for simple people like you.

    3. Did you see the title of the chart? Once again this is not hard.

    Who cares if Rush used the numbers?

    And come on, you are an old, washed up wedding singer. Stop pretending you ran an ad agency.

  145. concernedtacoma7 says:

    As to polling, look at the difference in likely vs registered voters. They tell a different story.

  146. aislander says:

    Let’s not become complacent. Ben Stein is sure Obama will win.

    Work.

  147. Francis – I purchased advertising for a lumber and hardware chain. Ask the News Tribune’s ad department. It think one of their sales people still has a contract in his desk that I tore in half when they tried to make me sign something I wasn’t interested in.

    When are you going to get a real job and stop living off the federal government, under the guises of keeping us safe from communism?

    The charts are bogus pieces of fools gold. They found their target market.

  148. averageJoseph says:

    LMAO… BTDThill.

  149. BTDT as opposed to NDFT

  150. Maybe next, I’ll create a blog, and give myself awards.

  151. No question that ehill has XBJ a little knotted in the “foundations” department. (you have to be old enough to know what that means…LOL)

    You have to love someone that won’t waste time and space with links to prove the baseless assertions that there is always time and space to post.

    Nothing like conservative logic to keep the day light hearted.

  152. I thought I’d re-wallpaper the room. The previous covering was so ridiculous

  153. aislander says:

    Unless the Light Being gets his poll numbers above 50% in the swing states, he will be ex-President Obama by the afternoon of January 20, 2013…

    (but let’s take nothing for granted–volunteer, donate, talk to your friends, post signs, and keep posting on forums–the survival of the nation depends on YOU!)

  154. “What did the Dems do, JoeyD?”

    I already asked that question and c7 gave me nothing….as expected.

  155. “as usual, with no surprises, the loudest and most obnoxious, (and still unable to make a convincing argument for their case!) are the local liberals in these threads. They also post the most, all day long.”

    In case we didn’t have enough hypocrisy from the right wing…

  156. “gets his poll numbers above 50% in the swing states, he will be ex-President Obama by the afternoon of January 20, 2013…”

    And when he wins we will have another 4 years of your whining and lying.

  157. “but let’s take nothing for granted–volunteer, donate, talk to your friends, post signs, and keep posting on forums–the survival of the nation depends on YOU!)”

    Will do!!!

    “I am not familiar, precisely, with exactly what I said, but I stand by what I said, whatever it was.” — Mitt Romney, May 2012.

  158. XBJ,

    “That’s interesting “ehill”…just yesterday I was listening to the news. ABC indicated the nearly the exact opposite as of yesterday.”

    The latest ABC poll was taken April 5-8: Obama 51%, Romney 44%

    http://www.pollingreport.com/wh12gen.htm

    Here’s a clue for you. When you make crap like that up, you should also try to make it harder to debunk.

  159. “In the interest of time and space, (anyone interested can go look for themselves) I wont mess around with copy-pasting links. But it appears there are a few polls that give obama the nod, there are a few that show a tie, or close to one, but in general, as of today, most that I saw were giving the lead, even if slight to Romney.”

    Anyone else wonder why there are conveniently no links provided? LOL

  160. RLangdon says:

    Yah! Why no links XBJ98N? You got something to hide?

    Are you telling a fib XBJ98N???

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