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ECONOMY: Middle class has sacrificed plenty

Letter by Robert L. Humphries, Puyallup on May 8, 2012 at 3:41 pm with 27 Comments »
May 9, 2012 10:17 am

Re: “Patriots willing to sacrifice” (letter, 5-9).

I wholeheartedly agree with the need to make more sacrifices in the name of patriotism. However, more sacrifice from most working-class Americans cannot be compared to the examples given of Greece and France.

European nations have long enjoyed peace and freedom under a common security blanket of NATO, largely bolstered by America. Many Europeans also have long enjoyed four-day work weeks (with two-month vacations not uncommon) and retirement in their 50s with pensions approaching 90 percent of full pay.

Even our most liberal politicians have never promised such a good deal for working-class Americans. Neither do most Americans believe that honest, hard work will make them all millionaires as preached by conservatives (with the carrot of “trickle-down” economics).

The sacrifices we need are mostly from our elected officials to ensure that fraud, waste and abuse are not robbing the public coffers entrusted to their oversight. Whether such expenditures are for “entitlement” social welfare programs or for big-ticket military hardware programs, most Americans believe a bit of belt-tightening would be good for our country.

Finally, asking the poor to sacrifice more would be squeezing blood from a beet; the working class is already burdened by a sluggish economy. Would one less vacation home or one less luxury car be too much to ask those making over $250,000 per year to be more patriotic by giving up those tax breaks they have enjoyed for the last few years (as none of that seems to have trickled down as promised)?

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  1. aislander says:

    The IRS and OMB did the math, and taxing the “rich” at far HIGHER levels than suggested by the Obama admin would have an insignificant effect on the deficit.

    This has to be be addressed where the problem lies: the spending side…

  2. aislander says:

    By the way, the deficit projected by the Obama admin is another trillion dollars plus for 2012…

  3. anders_ibsen says:

    How about the over $20 TRILLION in offshore assets used by billionaire tax dodgers? That’s a great place to start.

  4. concernedtacoma7 says:

    What a joke. What happens on April 15th that effects the govt’s balance sheet?

    Notice the only time the govt did not run a surplus in recent history for the month of April was under BHO. Broke and divided

  5. Aislander – changing the tax rates is only part of the Obama Tax Fairness Package. By far the more important part is revision of the Tax Codes. Both are need, and both are being blocked by the GOP.

    CT7 – broke and divided by the GOP.

  6. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Didn’t the republicans just pass a budget with tax reform? What did the dems do?

  7. SwordofPerseus says:

    ct7-hey the Republicons have control of the House and Senate, what lame ignorant excuse do you have for the lack of them doing anything to create jobs?

  8. aislander says:

    “hey the Republicans have control of the…Senate.”

    Speaking of lame and ignorant…

  9. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Ok, lets break the issue down- what should the Fed govt do to create jobs?

  10. Republicon tax reform = bush tax cuts on steroids. But only for the rich.

    Ryan’s budget would be far worse than no budget.

    AI – to control the Senate on must have 60 votes – which is why the Senate is unalbe to do it’s job.

  11. aislander says:

    The Senate CAN’T do its job if bills never reach the floor (or even consideration by committees). I’m MORE than certain that if any of this really mattered to Reid, he could fight the rascally Republicans in the media for specific legislation. He doesn’t.

    And budget bills (those tabbed as reconciliation bills) CAN’T be filibustered (as you SHOULD finally know by now)…

  12. RLangdon says:

    “Would one less vacation home or one less luxury car be too much to ask those making over $250,000 per year to be more patriotic by giving up those tax breaks they have enjoyed for the last few years (as none of that seems to have trickled down as promised)?”

    THAT is a question I would really like to have answered by MITT ROMNEY!!!

    Perhaps his wife can give up one of her “couple of Cadillacs”.

  13. chile74 says:

    Robert – Is paying more in taxes when you don’t have to “patriotic?” No, it is idiotic and no one does it to include Warren Buffett. All of the lefties on this thread don’t pay on dime more than they have to.

    RL – Romney can buy 10 cadillacs if he wants and so can all of the Microsoft millionaires that live around here. So what?

  14. RLangdon says:

    chile74, What’s “what” is that if they can afford to buy 10 Cadillacs, then they can surely afford to pay more taxes, because they don’t need 10 Cadillacs. One person can only drive one Cadillac at a time. There are not 10 people of driving age in Mitt Romney’s immediate living-at-home family, so they don’t need 10 Cadillacs. BUT, our government needs more money, and Mitt and his millionaire and billionaire buddies have it, so they can give some of it to the government BECAUSE THEY CAN AFFORD IT!!!

  15. concernedtacoma7 says:

    RL- nice socialist rant. A little “spread the wealth” bug get into you?

    What happens when we run out of the ‘rich’ guy’s cash? Do you respect that it is his, not yours or the govt?

    So in your world there is a cap to wealth?

    As to the cars, it could be because he has more than one home. Simple logistics. But more importantly, it is not important. BHO made millions last year. When is he going to step up and write a check to the tres for anything over $250/k

  16. bobcat1a says:

    Just curious, when was the last time the democrats brought up anything of substance in the Senate that the teapublicans didn’t filibuster?

  17. Aislander,

    In order to come to the floor for debate most bills need to be approved by the relevant committee.

    Bills are not coming to Senate floor for debate because the minority rpots keep filibustering reqired motion to get the bill to the floor.

    Before there can be reconciliation each house must pass different versions of the same bill.

    But, since the Senate can’t/won’t pass bills there can be no reconciliation.


    What happens when the middle and working classes run out of money?

    The economy crashes, maybe even apocalyptically.

    Bobcat – some time under Carter?

  18. aislander says:

    Reid can introduce any bill he wants to and, if it is identified as a budget bill, it is considered a reconciliation bill even before it is passed an CANNOT BE FILIBUSTERED! Sheesh!

  19. alindasue says:


    You simply stated what you said before without offering any evidence to rebut what xring said. Simply saying something repeatedly does not make it true. If you have evidence to back up your statement, please present it. Thanks.

  20. averageJoseph says:

    “hey the Republicans have control of the…Senate.”

    Speaking of lame and ignorant…

    LMAO… here’s your SignofPerseus.

  21. averageJoseph says:

    Alinda, did I miss the evidence in xring’s rebuttal? Hmmm.

  22. averageJoseph says:

    Here’s your sign Alind… ;)

    Current U.S. practice

    “Budget bills are governed under special rules called “reconciliation” which do not allow filibusters. Reconciliation once only applied to bills that would reduce the budget deficit, but since 1996 it has been used for all matters related to budget issues.”


  23. alindasue says:


    Thank you for providing the link to back up your twice stated supposition.

    xring made a statement in rebuttal. The first time, like in your case, I took it at face value. Had he continued stating the same thing again, I would have expected him to back up his statements as well.

  24. What should Fed Gov due to create jobs?
    1. Reverse tax policies that pay companies to send jobs overseas.
    2. Raise taxes on goods imported by us companies that have moved their manufacturing facilities overseas.
    3. Begin rebuilding our aging infrastructure (roads, bridges, ports, etc)

    Aislander – you keep repeating you lie, so I (and others) keep repeating the truth.

    So one more time.

    BEFORE there can be RECONCILATION, the Senate needs to PASS a BILL that can be RECONCILED with a HOUSE passed version of the same bill.

    Reconciliation bill – A bill containing changes in law recommended pursuant to reconciliation instructions in a budget resolution. If the instructions pertain to only one committee in a chamber, that committee reports the reconciliation bill. If the instructions pertain to more than one committee, the Budget Committee reports an omnibus reconciliation bill, but it may not make substantive changes in the recommendations of the other committees.


    aJo – you did because you are unable to recognize truth.

    Alindasue – my rebuttal is not about ‘no filibuster of a rconcilliation bill’ but to what must happen before there can be a reconciliation bill to not-filibuster.

  25. concernedtacoma7 says:

    So stop business from moving overseas to make products? How do we do that? Perhaps we make ourselves competative. Cheap energy and technology to start. Kill the EPA.

    Taxing products overseas was tried. Look up the Depression.

    The dems were given a trillion dollars to rebuild. Instead we got union kickbacks and waste. Until the dems are out, we need to keep the money at the states and with the individual. Encourage private investment (like ports, rail, and pipelines).

    Your big govt solutions fail time and again. The unions and EPA make it near impossible to build anything here (look at the new extension to the Panama Canal, $5bil. We cannot build 10 miles of rail here at that cost).

  26. normajean says:

    I much prefer Louis Black’s definition of the 2 party system. Same bowl of sh…t but different smells. Unions
    built this country & it is a slap in the face to hard working americans who pay more taxes than the 1% and are
    drowning in debt due to the present economy & the exorbitant cost of health care & education.

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