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WOMEN: What this mom wants for Mother’s Day

Letter by Val Dumond, Lakewood on May 4, 2012 at 1:23 pm with 160 Comments »
May 4, 2012 1:32 pm

You know what mothers like me want for our day?

Try: dignity, respect and a place in the U.S. Constitution. A legislative War on Me has stalled the ERA around the U.S. for decades while other countries provide equality for their women.

(Young women who don’t know what ERA means, look it up.)

Leave a comment Comments → 160
  1. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Hey Val, instead of a tweet, why not list what ‘rights’ you feel women need added to the Constitution?

    What other countries are doing is not relavent. Since we have led the world for a century, shouldn’t they be doing what we are doing?

    And I hope you support your female relatives getting drafted and placed in Infantry units. Be careful what you ask for…

    Men work longer hours, are more willing to move, and take jobs that women will not/can’t physically (minus few exceptions). http://money.cnn.com/2006/02/28/commentary/everyday/sahadi/index.htm

  2. ‘list rights’ – because zombies have no brains and crs syndrome.

    I remember the EPA and IMO – part of the reason it failed was due to the hype and lies from opponents – things like ‘this will lead to same-sex bathrooms.

    Somethings don’t change.

  3. Ortingmom says:

    zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  4. norsey says:

    Seems equality between the sexes is inherent in the constitution – there is certainly no language supporting the opposite view. Currently, more women and graduating college than men… do we need an amendment?

  5. Ortingmom says:

    You know what mothers like me want for our day?

    Something homemade from our kids, the house cleaned, a nice dinner a gift of any kind( Seahawks tickets ? ). I for one am celebrating at the Sounders game on Saturday and with Family on Sunday. I receive plenty of dignity and respect and expect no changes to the constitution. Life is what you make of it, and I ( no disrespect ) would not want yours. ps..there is no war on women. I hope you enjoy your Mothers Day !!!

  6. menopaws says:

    Equality in the workplace, good medical care without some religion and politics involved…….someone who unloads my dishwasher and helps me do laundry………My Grandsons learning to treat women as their partners and equals………Men who value our differences and celebrate both Mars/Venus………And, finally more humor and less strident behavior on the political landscape………Pretty dull, humorless group out there these days….As a woman, I am a sucker for a good sense of humor—the political landscape is populated by real drudges these days…..Happy Mother’s Day to all us Moms and Grandmoms—may all of us have smiles and joy on “our” day!!!!!

  7. BillieJ says:

    Val is a very educated, intelligent woman that has been published in many magazines and newspapers.

    It doesn’t take much to see who among the participants on this blog are ignorant to that fact.

    It will be fun to watch the comments, but I let the cat out of the bag.

  8. LornaDoone says:

    “Men work longer hours, are more willing to move, and take jobs that women will not/can’t physically (minus few exceptions).”

    A neanderthal that has been living in a cave.

    I’d love to know what job CT7 is talking about that a woman can’t physically do. On second thought, no, I don’t want him to embarrass himself further.

    Any woman that thinks that the 1,100 plus laws being changed, directed at women’s healthcare, isn’t a “war” probably just needs to stay content in having men tell her how she is supposed to think, feel and act and leave the difficult work to the women willing to address the challenge.

    Val Dumond has asked for a gift that will keep on giving for generations to come. Granted, it’s not as fancy as Seahawks tickets, but some folks think outside the boundaries of material objects.

  9. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Ha! Yes Lardnos, a woman can do your job just fine. But lets be honest here with physical averages. Grow up.

    Billie- She writes about grammar. What does that have to do with women’s rights?

  10. CT7 – would love to know what macho job you have. Whatever it is, I am will to bet you $10,000 that there are women who do it better than you.

  11. sandblower says:

    Ms. Dumond, you have written a wonderful letter. There is a conglomeration of nut cases that post on these pages regularly whose ideological identities we all know and disrespect for their obnoxiousness. They are the ones who are taking exception to your letter and amazingly enough there are some women in the group. They are not working women for the most part, unless they are executive material, and that is a clue.
    Do not give up on the ERA.
    Regards to all supporters of women’s rights being better defined. Discrimination still exists.

  12. Pacman33 says:

    “A legislative War on Me”
    “… has been published in many magazines and newspapers.”
    “Any woman that thinks that the 1,100 plus laws being changed, directed at women’s healthcare, isn’t a “war” …”

    The Left has waged a war against logic, reality and sanity in general.

  13. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    Ms. Dumond, you have written a wonderful letter.

    Uhhh… don’t you mean a “wonderful” three sentences (ignoring the parenthetical redundancy)?

    Geez, blower, I’ve seen fortune cookies that were more incisive and profound.

    This… letter was about as novel as a knock-knock joke.

  14. LornaDoone says:

    This is so predictable……LOL

    The entertainment value of CT7’s neanderthal macho routine is enough laughs for the evening, but Bill Maher is on at 7:00. Of course he avoided specifics, as we expected.

    Vox thinks that everything must be a filibuster to make a point.

    Nice work, Ms Dumond. They are frustrated by your simplicity.

  15. RLangdon says:

    Val wants “a place in the U.S. Constitution”?

    Hey Val! How about The Nineteenth Amendment?

    “Passed by Congress June 4, 1919, and ratified on August 18, 1920, the 19th amendment granted women the right to vote. The 19th amendment guarantees all American women the right to vote.”

    There you go!

    Now, since women make up MORE than 50% of the entire voting population of The United States, it’s nobody else’s fault than your own that you don’t have any other “place in the U.S. Constitution”. You have had the right to vote it in since 1920. What’s taking you so long?

  16. RLangdon says:

    P.S. Happy Mother’s Day Val! …and all you other mothers out there, too! And to one really special mother… LornaDoone!

  17. LornaDoone says:

    CT7 went to Dumond’s website and absorbed about 5% of it. Then commented.

    Nothing new.

  18. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Lardnos- you can click through every link and tell my how she is an authoriy on women’s issues. After this deep and emotional letter I can see it, but not on her cite. She must be so busy fighting for my mother’s rights that she cannot explain why anyone should care.

    After you have clicked through her grammar articles (please take meno and xring along for a lesson), please try and address one fact, like the longer hours, additional flexibility in location/occupation, etc. Thanks!

    Sidebar- You seem to have painted a picture of me. Once again, please address your repressed homosexual tendancies to a counselor or chaplain.

  19. LornaDoone says:

    Question – Do you believe that the most vehemently homophobic people tend to have repressed homosexual tendencies?</b?

    Answer – I'm straight myself, but I think that this is often the case. A couple of good examples of this would be Ted Haggard and Larry Craig. Also, many years ago when I was working as a waitress, the restaurant where I worked was purchased by a new owner. I remember that the first time I saw the new owner, I automatically assumed he was gay. There wasn't any one thing about him that made me think this, but I just got that vibe from him. I then learned, however, that he was married with two kids, very religious, a conservative Republican, AND that he had a strong dislike for gays. (He called them "f*gs" and taught his daughter that they deserved to die of AIDS for being gay.) Interestingly enough, though, while I was working there, at least a couple of gay guys actually hit on him, so I kind of wonder if they also picked up on what I picked up on. What do you guys think?

    That was a little Q & A from Yahoo. Don’t get excited. “Q” means “question”.

    I’ll suggest, CT7 that you research your pubescent taunts before commenting. You make yourself look absolutely ridiculous.

    As you can see “repressed homosexual tendencies” would not come from a person like myself, but from a homophobic, psuedo-macho, misogynistic, self-proclaimed “he-man”, thus the “repressed” part of the phrase.

    “Represssing homosexual tendencies” would be demonstrating a strong dislike for gays, (which has never happened in terms of anything I’ve stated).

    I sense a deflection going on here, not to mention that your assertion has nothing to do with the letter nor the content of other comments.

    However, I have see pubescent boys play that game of “your gay” (spelling error intentional). I used to make them run laps with full gear and helmets on, so that we could get back to setting up offensive plays in lieu of their distraction. If that didn’t work, about 20 “up/downs” usually took the extra energy out of practice and focus was restored.

    Twice around the goal posts.

  20. LornaDoone says:

    oops…..bold lock

  21. GHTaxPayer says:

    We agree with you Val. The Democrats and Obama’s war on women religous freedom is despicable. And the fact that women in the Obama admin make 18% less than their male counterparts is apalling! Under Bush, women in the WH made 3% higher than their male counterparts.

    And another thing you won’t get for Mother’s Day is a new job. Obama’s War on the Private Sector has crushed job creation. Read this report:

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/people-not-labor-force-soar-522000-labor-force-participation-rate-lowest-1981

    Another thing you won’t get for Mother’s Day is affordable gas! Obama’s War on Affordable US Energy is causing the poor and middle class to go bankrupt trying to afford his $4.00 gallon gas.

    But hang on – help is coming. Vote Romney in November !!!

  22. RLangdon says:

    LornaDoone33, Unfortunately I read what you just wrote, and its all nonsense! Reminiscent of Pacman33’s usual screeds. Plus, it has nothing whatsoever to do with Val’s letter.

  23. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Lardnos- still do not want to comment on the subject?

    Ok, back to your sexual preference. So when the kids were ‘bad’, you made them get all sweaty and tired. Were you a coach at Penn State?

  24. bobcat1a says:

    By all means, the point made in this letter should continue to be made but let’s not totally disabuse the wingnuts of their transparent misogyny. It will pay off in the election as they myopically alienate group after group. Hispanics, women, gays, scientists, teachers, who else will the Republicans attempt to run off?

  25. RLangdon says:

    “Penn State?” Good one!!! Nicely done ct7!

  26. “please address your repressed homosexual tendancies to a counselor or chaplain.”

    And I suggest you look up the term “projection”. I think you’ll find your picture.

  27. Val- Think you for your letter. Love to see the zombies acting all macho and intellectual.

    Would love to be a fly on the wall when they tell their wives and daughters they are second class citizens and do not deserve the same pay, privileges, and respect for doing the same work as men.

    A vote for Romney is a vote for Chinese Prosperity, and the end of the American Dream.

  28. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Xring- thank you for a readable post. I find it remarkable that your posts can vary so far in terms of spelling and grammar. Wait, did you go Val’s cite and pick up a thing or two?

  29. Frankenchrist says:

    Mom wants the GOP Party of Hate to end their Republican War on Women.

  30. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Frank- your mom needs to read more than your posts.

  31. Frankenchrist says:

    CT, maybe YOU should go to Val’s “cite” and learn a little spelling and grammar yourself…lol

  32. Frankenchrist says:

    America, please vote for Romney the RINO! He is what Al Qaeda needs in an American leader! We are both anti-abortion! We both hate gays! Vote for Mittens, you infidels!

    — I’m the corpse of Osama bin Laden and I approve this message

  33. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Lol, are we 12? Your mom, currently laying out your outfit for tomorrow, approves this message.

  34. concernedtacoma7 says:

    And I do apologize for cite vs site, Val’s SITE did not cover spelling (or explain how she is an expert on anything).

    Happy Mother’s Day!

    Frakencupcake, I know you are still messed up from the draft, but it has been decades. Move on. X has the bitter Nam role. No need for two of you.

  35. averageJoseph says:

    The good thing about this letter and others like it is we don’t have to watch leftwing media to know what their current strawman talking points are.

  36. Pacman33 says:

    “So when the kids were ‘bad’, you made them get all sweaty and tired. Were you a coach at Penn State?”

    I’m not sure about Penn State, but that is why he got “let go” from Big Brothers Big Sisters.
    http://olyblog.net/blog/anonymously-larry

  37. Lol, are we 12?”

    LOL – one of you is only seven.

  38. Frankenchrist says:

    Romney’s wife wear $990 t-shirts.

  39. took14theteam says:

    Nice video, Larry.

    Is that sandrak in the video?

    ;-)

    I spent a few minutes browsing through the site, and it is interesting that your behavior back in 2007 on internet forums is exactly the behavior you exhibit today in 2012. I guess people don’t change when they age…

  40. LornaDoone says:

    Ah yes….it’s the weekend…..and this is the top letter of the list.

  41. LornaDoone says:

    ” Wait, did you go Val’s cite and pick up a thing or two? ”

    We know who didn’t.

  42. LornaDoone says:

    “I guess people don’t change when they age… ”

    Yeah…you’re the same person you were when banned from this site as “glovesroff” for using profanity. Naughty, naughty

  43. LornaDoone says:

    May 5, 2012 at 1:29 am Frank- your mom needs to read more than your posts.

    drunken “yomomma” comments at 1:29 am????? Oh boy…..

  44. took14theteam says:

    Pretty sure it had something to do with when I helped get k a r d n o s banned.

    Hence taking one for the team. But as we all know now, this site is stuck with you like a bad burrito….

    ;-)

  45. LornaDoone says:

    Took….so let me understand….you called someone a profane name to get them banned???????

    Yeah…like that works.

    I’d say you just lost control. As usual.

    Nice personal responsibility, there CONny (nickname for ‘CONservative)

    Since you always ask. I’m performing for a winery this weekend.

    No….not WHINERY. It wouldn’t be the place for you.

  46. BillieJ says:

    As I thought, as of concernedtacoma7’s comment of 5:18 pm yesterday, this blog became a circus of stupidity of right wing comments and the typical personal insults. Val’s thoughts were too much for them. There seems to be a collection of children that frequent these blogs and they are more concerned with childish comments than the content of the letter for discussion.

  47. menopaws says:

    Speaking of humorless drudges………….Oh, well—good letter, smart woman……

  48. “I helped get k a r d n o s banned.”

    If you can’t refute the message, get the messenger banned.

  49. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Are these “good letter” comments a joke?

    Billie- if you had any interest in real discussion you would not judge only the right. You cheer for Val for no reason, joining her in failing to explain your position or reason for support. This is not a letter. It is approximately 60 words. You know her, is she lazy? She cares enough to tweet to the editor but not enough to sell her cause?

    ERA has been turned down by both parties. 89 years later it is still bad policy. Liberal Canada passed something similar then backtracked on it because it caused more problems then it solved.

  50. LornaDoone says:

    sober?

  51. concernedtacoma7 says:

    For now. You going to post something on the ERA/women’s rights or do you want to keep up your storytelling?

  52. kluwer says:

    The weak and pathetic right is on display as usual.
    And speaking of as usual ct7’s latent homosexuality is also on display again.

    Great letter Val, the more twisted the rightists get the better the letter.

  53. For Mother’s Day, I want women around me who think for themselves and do not buy into every white-men-are-all-evil repressed homosexuals tidbit that is fed to them.

    And Billie, perhaps you failed to notice the equal measure of puerility coming from the left on this thread.

    The whole thread is embarrassing. In fact this site has deteriorated so profoundly in recent weeks, I’m sure it will be virtually unapproachable by election day. Does anyone know where one can go for an actual exchange of ideas?

  54. RLangdon says:

    Repeating for BillieJ and menopaws:

    Val wants “a place in the U.S. Constitution”?

    Hey Val! How about The Nineteenth Amendment?

    “Passed by Congress June 4, 1919, and ratified on August 18, 1920, the 19th amendment granted women the right to vote. The 19th amendment guarantees all American women the right to vote.”

    There you go!

    Now, since women make up MORE than 50% of the entire voting population of The United States, it’s nobody else’s fault than your own that you don’t have any other “place in the U.S. Constitution”. You have had the right to vote it in since 1920.

    What’s taking you so long?

  55. RLangdon says:

    P.S. BillieJ, I originally posted the above comment at 6:28 PM yesterday, and you women seem to want to ignore it, and the FACTS, and just complain about the unrelated bickering comments instead. What are you afraid of? The truth!

  56. Pacman33 says:

    Can anyone explain how a Leftist can determine and label another as a bigot for holding the belief a child is likely to fare better growing up experiencing the diversity of opposite gender parents or promoting gender integration in marriage?

    Then turn around and use the trait of being homosexual as an insult? Clearly, suggesting that someone is gay, with an intentional negative connotation, as if it was bad or wrong to be homosexual?

    Is it the typical — The left is not subject to the standards that they set for others. — type of thing? Or is there something I’m not registering?

  57. Pac33

    The problem with logic is that it does not address the truth or validity of the base argument.

    In this case the basic argument the conseracons are using is:

    “women are inferior to men therefore it is okay to pay them less”

    Because your basic argument is wrong, logic can only produce false conclusions.

    The reality of this thread is:

    IF a man and women have the same qualifications and experience apply for the same job they should expect the same pay.

    IF either takes time off it will be be as some form leave (annual/sick/family) or as leave without pay.

    IF a persons time away from the job has negative impacts on there own or the groups productivity that may be used when giving out bonuses or promotions.

    CT7 – any womon is more of an expert on women’s issues than you could ever be.

    People who talk about and accuse others of latent homosexual tendencies usually do so because they see them in themselves.

    Which, by the way, have nothing to do with the letter.

    Not to Val’s – had my daughter remove a virus form my laptop.

    GHtp
    Do you have proof of the alleged pay discrepancies or is this another one of you fox spewed talking points?

    The reason for a lack of jobs is this country is that US companies, aided by the GOP, have been sending jobs overseas since before the first Bush Tax Cuts, and the same GOP is blocking every effort to steam or reverse the flow by ending tax breaks for sending in favor of tax breaks for creating and returning jobs in the US.

    I could go on but let me just say this about you post – totally, undeniable false in each and every claim.

    took- getting people banned = denial of 1st Amendment right. Another action the right does while blame the left.

    sozo – its the weekend – the time when kids play. Good post – (which means I agree) – But cheer up this too shall pass.

  58. “perhaps you failed to notice the equal measure of puerility coming from the left on this thread.”

    You mean like this?

    o Yes Lardnos, a woman can do your job just fine.

    o The Left has waged a war against logic, reality and sanity in general.

    o I’ve seen fortune cookies that were more incisive and profound.

    o This… letter was about as novel as a knock-knock joke.

    o please address your repressed homosexual tendancies to a counselor or chaplain.

    o Obama’s war on women … Obama’s War on the Private Sector … Obama’s War on Affordable US Energy

    o Frank- your mom needs to read more than your posts.

    o back to your sexual preference … Were you a coach at Penn State?

    o Your mom, currently laying out your outfit for tomorrow, approves this message.

    o Frakencupcake, I know you are still messed up from the draft

  59. took14theteam says:

    Heads up Mr. ehill. Another person’s “moniker” was banned for re-posting comments from another “moniker” to make a point about said person’s hypocrisy.

    Since you are mirroring that behavior, I would expect to never see the “moniker” ehill after this coming Monday for enacting the same behavior.

    I will check later in the week. If you are still here, then I will assume Mr. ehill has an inside track with the “moderators” (kind of like LPH does).

    Have a good night.

    sing comments from a certain

  60. took14theteam says:

    Where the hell did this come from?

    sing comments from a certain

    Like the ghost of xring….

  61. LornaDoone says:

    someone that claims they use profanity to get another person banned is now claiming that someone else has an “inside track” with moderators.

    The hypocrisy is ironic or is the irony hypocritical?

    Probably the super full moon activity.

  62. LornaDoone says:

    “And Billie, perhaps you failed to notice the equal measure of puerility coming from the left on this thread.”

    I guess BillieJ isn’t smart enough to calculate for herself and needs a “real woman” to tell her how to think for herself.

    The irony drips on.

  63. concernedtacoma7 says:

    LD- still waiting for something of substance out of you. Too hard?

  64. LornaDoone says:

    CT7 – the person throwing early morning drunken “yomommas” is looking for substance?

    I could quote the Magna Carta and you’d think it was a rap song.

  65. LornaDoone says:

    concernedtacoma7 says:
    May 5, 2012 at 1:29 am Frank- your mom needs to read more than your posts.

    Ah yes….substance.

  66. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Look at post #1. Try and respond to that. Come on Larry, you can do it!

  67. LornaDoone says:

    “and take jobs that women will not/can’t physically”

    What job is a woman not physically capable of doing, Caveman?

  68. took14theteam says:

    someone that claims they use profanity to get another person banned is now claiming that someone else has an “inside track” with moderators.

    Don’t think I said that. You said gloves was banned for profanity. I said Gloves was contributing to the thread that eventually got your azz thrown off. The usual Larry projecting and deflecting.

    I thought you were playing at a winery tonight. Got cheese?

  69. Bandito says:

    “Or is there something I’m not registering?”
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    Yup!

  70. LornaDoone says:

    “Now, since women make up MORE than 50% of the entire voting population of The United States, it’s nobody else’s fault than your own that you don’t have any other “place in the U.S. Constitution”. You have had the right to vote it in since 1920.”

    Since the ONLY national vote is for President of the United States (there are no national votes for women’s rights, etc).

    This comment is worthless in context to the letter or either one of the cited commenters.

    Darned nice of the men to “allow” women to vote in 1920, though.

  71. LornaDoone says:

    “I thought you were playing at a winery tonight.”

    Speaking of projecting…

    “Since you always ask. I’m performing for a winery this weekend.”

    Reading just isn’t the strong suit, huh?

    “I said Gloves was contributing to the thread that eventually got your azz thrown off.”

    See…there you go again….veiled profanity. Losing control. Predictable as the tides.

  72. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Ok Larry, we will start with construction and logging. Are there certain jobs in both industries try can do? Sure, but many they cannot.

    Man are naturally taller, stronger, and have a greater endurance then women. Do you deny that? On average.

  73. LornaDoone says:

    Well, let’s see. I’ve seen women in construction since I worked for my dad in the 1960s. I know a woman that was running a giant crane in the early 1990s (she wasn’t the only one). It takes no special physical prowess to run heavy equipment.

    Logging? Since I lived in Morton from 1986 to 1987, I think I’ve met more than one women that either cut, set chokers, drove truck, planted, worked burns and forest fires.

    Not one of those careers are impossible for women, since women do them.

    You want to keep this up, or do you like looking foolish?

    Is there a particular reason that you are calling me something other than my moniker, Francis?

  74. LornaDoone says:

    Since you brought up loggers, I’m sure that you already know that loggers are no longer hourly waged employees. The union busters took care of that. Everyone is now paid on the basis of yield, so regardless of sex, they only get paid for what is harvested, which is really wonderful if the yarder breaks down and everyone has to pitch in to repair it – they don’t get paid for that.

    We’re really improving workers benefits with all this new non-union stuff, huh?

  75. took14theteam says:

    It must make you feel good, to believe in your own mind, that you are always right. And BTDT…

    Oh, YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO GET THE LAST WORD in too. Sign of a narcissist. Kind of like BHO.

    You are nothing but a troll.

    But sondrak looked pretty hot in that video…..

  76. LornaDoone says:

    As to endurance, it is usually said that a man could not endure the pain of giving birth, which is a great reason to keep men out of the decision making process of women’s health care.

  77. RLangdon says:

    LornaDoone33, your response to my comments is neither necessary or desired. My comment was meant for the real “women” who comment on these blogs. It was not meant for you, who may be a man using a women’s moniker pretending to be an, I don’t know what the heck you are pretending to be except just plain weird.

    In any case, your comments are not necessary, wanted, or even worthwhile. So, please keep them to yourself will you? I’d rather know what BillieJ, menopaws and sozo have to say. You do not count.

  78. concernedtacoma7 says:

    But he knows a woman that drove a forklift. Does that not make him an expert? He knows a flag woman on I-5, does that not make him an expert?

    Lardnos, you are a male, progressive, piano player. Let’s be real here.

    Leftists minus LD, I tried. Good luck getting him booted again Took.

  79. averageJoseph says:

    Then turn around and use the trait of being homosexual as an insult?

    exactly

  80. took – “where did this come from” – more evidence that you, like most righties, are unable to read.

    CT7 – According to Livestrong.com and others;

    Men are ‘stronger’ than women only because we are generally taller and heaver.
    Pound for pound there is very little difference

    Men and women have similar levels of muscular endurance with women having a slight edge (on average).

  81. LornaDoone says:

    “Good luck getting him booted again Took.”

    Interesting statement there, CT7. If I follow the rules of the website, how is anyone going to “get me booted”? (I’m still waiting for someone to prove that I’ve ever been “booted” since I’m here).

    It appears that the conservatives who can’t handle the action in discussion and debate on the subject matter provided, are intent on attempting to get their opposition to violate the rules and then go on the attack to get the moderators to suspend those participants. Only one thing….isn’t that what they always claim is being done to them? How many times a day do I see a conservative complaining about “liberal bias” on the TNT blogs, all the while attempting to create a “conservative bias”?

    Took – I called the whaaaaaaaaaaambulance for you. You always want to engage me and you always end up whining because you don’t like the outcome. Take a lesson and let it be. So far your efforts only have gotten YOU suspended. You try to start something with me, don’t like my retort and you end up getting angry and violating TNT terms of service. It’s really kind of silly, don’t you think? Try a hobby.

    Oh….and CT7….I thought you wanted to have a discussion about comment #1. You certainly didn’t have much to contribute. Again.

  82. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Pound for pound? If you run a business requiring strength, does that mean squat?

    I wonder where the ladies that post here stand on this…

  83. Frankenchrist says:

    Is CT7 displaying latent homoerotic tendencies again? I swear, nothing saddens me more than a peacock trying to suppress his plumage.

  84. LornaDoone says:

    Franken – and they think I’m using a woman’s name, as opposed to a cookie.

  85. Frankenchrist says:

    “Hi Lorna, how ya Doone?”

    — Shemp Howard

  86. XBJ98N says:

    I see nothing has changed in this kiddie sandbox!

    As far as the “war on women”….Put a sock in it.

  87. kluwer says:

    “In fact this site has deteriorated so profoundly in recent weeks, I’m sure it will be virtually unapproachable by election day. Does anyone know where one can go for an actual exchange of ideas?”

    As if you actually wanted an exchange of ideas.
    Soso you are among the group that has made this site as bad as it is, in fact your very first comment is proof,

    “For Mother’s Day, I want women around me who think for themselves and do not buy into every white-men-are-all-evil repressed homosexuals tidbit that is fed to them.”

    Now explain how that is an ‘exchange of ideas’??

    your hypocrisy gets worse by the day.

  88. XBJ98N says:

    kluwer, i find your last post interesting.

    i’ve watched over the last few months and read many of your own comments. it seems that you are one of the most guilty of running this entire “comment section” idea of “exchange” into the sewer. seems to me that anytime someone makes a point that you disagree with you often resort to silly personal insult.

    you by far, are not alone in this, the majority of comments made in this paper seem to go that way.

    i wonder as i read this if half the people who comment in here arent the thirteen year old kids, the age that the Trib requires in the initial sign up. of course it also could just be the reflection of tacoma’s angry, ‘gritty’ reputation.

  89. averageJoseph says:

    Excellent observation XBJ98N. ;)

  90. LornaDoone says:

    “As far as the “war on women”….Put a sock in it.”

    The license to criticise others.

  91. Frankenchrist says:

    The Republican War on Women has already cost Romney the election.

    “You lie down with pigs and they’ll call you swine every time.”

    — Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail ’72

  92. LornaDoone says:

    “LornaDoone33, your response to my comments is neither necessary or desired.”

    Open thread. You don’t control me

  93. “Excellent observation XBJ98N”

    And the sock puppet agrees with the hand!

  94. L.D, report to the draft board.

  95. “I will assume Mr. ehill has an inside track with the “moderators”

    Nice fantasy.

  96. “LD- still waiting for something of substance out of you. Too hard?”

    Mr. Pot, may I introduce you to Mr. Kettle?

  97. “You are nothing but a troll.”

    Ahem. Message. Messenger. Ring any bells?

  98. sumyungboi says:

    This is seriously the worst letter I’ve ever seen printed. I realize that there are people ignorant enough to buy into the “war on women” meme, but shame on the TNT for being enablers.

  99. RLangdon says:

    LornaDoone33 writes: “You don’t control me”

    Obviously nobody controls LornaDoone33, since he has lost control of himself, spewing forth nonsense as he constantly does, pretending to be the authority on all subjects, when actually exposing himself as fairly ignorant on most.

    Spare us all more of your meaningless nonsense would you please LornaDoone33?

  100. Pacman33 says:

    The differences within each gender are far greater than the differences between the genders. Everyone should be paid based on their individual productivity. We have to be very careful when we are interpreting wage data. To take it at face value creates bogus statistics that simultaneously denigrates important work done at home and often implies the need for some very nonsensical policies.

    One cannot say women are paid less for doing the same work when men typically work longer, less flexible hours in more dangerous and uncomfortable positions. Men who work full time work an average of 44 hours per week, while women who work full time average 41 hours per week. This represents a bigger difference than you’d immediately think, as a person who works 44 hours a week makes approximately 100% more than someone who works 34 hours a week. This accounts for 70% of what some perceive as a “wage gap” in and of itself.

    Furthermore, compare the wages of never-married women to that of never-married men. In 1982, never-married women earned 91% of what never-married men did. In 1971, never-married-women in their thirties earned slightly more than never-married men. Today, among men and women living alone from the age of 21-35, there is no wage gap. Among college-educated men and women between 40 and 64 who have never married, men made an average of $40,000 a year and women made an average of $47,000!

    That should pretty much end any question about whether or not the “wage gap” exists. What a small number of individuals are suggesting is a “wage gap” is not so much about employers discriminating against women as about women making discriminating choices in the labor market.

    http://www.swifteconomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/never-married.gif

    http://www.forbes.com/2006/05/12/women-wage-gap-cx_wf_0512earningmore.html

  101. Pacman33 says:

    Suppose you’re an employer doing the hiring. If a woman does equal work for significantly less money, businesses would get rich just by hiring women. Why would any employer ever hire a man?

    Why wouldn’t feminist activists start corporations, hiring all women and begin to take over industries if women did, in fact, do equal work for less pay?

  102. Pacman33 says:

    The cookie monster said –
    “which is a great reason to keep men out of the decision making process of women’s health care.”

    Now, since women make up MORE than 50% of the entire voting population of The United States, it’s nobody else’s fault that they have elected so many men into government. While, at the same time, pushing for a government overhaul of the nation’s healthcare system. In turn, putting much “of the decision making process of women’s health care” in the hand of government and the men they elected.

    It’s the same old story.

    Leftists drone on and on about ‘the need for alternative energy’ but don’t dare put up a windmill that spoils the view from their own residence.

    Leftists uphold a women’s right to choose … unless; a women chooses adoption, chooses to be religious, chooses to be a stay-at-home-mom, chooses to homeschool, chooses to start a business and engage in the practice capatalism, chooses to pay for her own birth control, etc.

  103. Pac,
    Ride ’Em Cowboy!

    You all sure do look right purty on that there dead horse you be a ridn!

    Or is it a donkey

    Bet you be one on them there unmarried fellows, what’s only ever kissed his horse.

  104. LornaDoone says:

    Yackman said – “I don’t know how to created an email account with my own name, so I use someone else’s name”.

    I wonder how successful the cons have been in convincing women that there isn’t a movement against them in terms of health care.

  105. kluwer says:

    Not very, just look at the polls.
    But then the right has never been a friend of women and Mormons even less so.

  106. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Great job TNT. 3-4 posters destroying conversation.

    Where are the reasonable folks on the left?

  107. Frankenchrist says:

    I’m quite reasonable. End the Republican War on Women, get your Bibles out of their vaginas, and we’ll get along just fine.

  108. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Quite reasonable. The left is proud to have you on their side, I am sure.

    Please explain where the Bible is affecting women’s care. Feel free to mention the charity of the Church while hammering away on your atheist rant. Thanks!

    Oh, and please explain what that has to do with the ERA.

  109. Frankenchrist says:

    Explain where the Bible is affecting women’s care? That’s easy. Right-wing Republicans want to restrict a women’s right to abortion, family planning, and contraception. Savage and bloody Biblical nonsense informs the thinking of right-wing Republicans. Ergo, the Bible affects women’s health care.

  110. Pacman33 says:

    What a bunch of contrived nonsense.
    When are any of those issues ever a topic of debate unless it’s initiated by Demorats trying to use taxpayer’s money as funding, despite current law? When do any of those things enter the conversation without Left-wing Radicals first wanting to restrict an American’s right not to pay for those services with their hard earned dollar, as Leftists still attempt to force them to anyway, against their will?

  111. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Eh, at least it was a response. 100% ignored Christian charity or the ERA, but more civilized than usual.

  112. XBJ98N says:

    Seems typically Liberal. “Right-wing Republicans want to restrict a women’s right to abortion”-(frankenchrist)

    So the right-wing has issues with the liberal quest for the “right” for mothers to kill their own unborn offspring? Seems to me that Conservatives are trying to protect the right of the child to develop and live its life, which the left is trying to deny out of pure selfishness of the “mother”.

    Yessir, typically Liberal…Its all about ME and what I want and MY rights and what the government and courts will do to make sure I have such rights.

  113. XBJ98N says:

    Abortion…..Seems like a strange topic as we near Mother’s Day!

  114. Pacman33 says:

    LornaPDoone ponders –
    “I wonder how successful the cons have been in convincing women that there isn’t a movement against them in terms of health care.”

    Conservatives aren’t the one’s with the burden of convincing women about anything. Conservatives warned all Americans of the undesirability of any politician making healthcare decisions. What do a bunch of sleazebag lawyers, academic introverts and corrupt community activists know about medicine? It was Conservatives who voted against this movement against women’s healthcare, Obamacare.

    It is the Dems who carry the burden of convincing in their “war against women” they have conjured up for the Obama Presidential campaign run. Despite some temporary, short-term results in polling, they haven’t been very convincing. Women are far to smart for the Left’s empty rhetoric and blatant falsehoods to be effective in the long run.

    For example, your erroneous “1,100 plus laws” farce, that was debunked over 2 months ago. Must have missed that memo? First of all the figure of 1,100 represents individual provisions introduced within various state bills, not 1,100 ‘laws’, which routinely contain numerous provisions. Moreover, these were provisions merely PERTAINING to women’s healthcare and only 135 were passed. Instead of the shameless lie, that these measures were somehow hostile, a large number of these provisions were very beneficial to women’s health. Some of these provisions expanded access for STI prevention and treatment, others expanded access to prenatal care, and eight states took steps to limit exposure to environmental toxins believed or shown to adversely impact reproductive health such as BPA or certain flame retardants.

    The only thing more absurd than the Left’s outrage over decisions made by the government that they disagree with, after lauding the wondrous government healthcare takeover; Is the Left’s outrage over figures that only indicate the government making these decisions, whether they support the decisions or not, whether they benefit from them or not.

    The Democrats want a war. Most women want to be leveled with like anybody else, not manipulated and taken advantage of. Eventually, many will add it all up and see it for what it is. They will see that the Demorats are waging wars on the behalf of others in order to avoid discussing the many pending, critical issues we are currently faced with. Issues the Dems are incapable of effectively dealing with.

  115. XBJ98N says:

    I understood forty years ago, that when it became legal in the eyes of the courts of this country to end the lives of developing children, that this nation was sliding straight down the sewage pipes….if you look at our society in that last forty years, I’d say my guess then was pretty accurate.

  116. kluwer says:

    Great job TNT. 3-4 posters destroying conversation.

    Where are the reasonable folks on the RIGHT?

  117. Pac- who wants to defund Planned Parenthood?

  118. modyfied says:

    Wow, what responses!
    So here goes…
    I take it women are suppose to band together to make change?
    Women vote?
    Women voted for Osama, I mean Obama?
    Now women complaining that our administration is holding back or taking away their rights?
    Hypocritical…

    As for the “All-white-men-are-evil” mentality? Thank you to all the women who voted to put the epitomy of the Black Panther party into office….Your rights are being taken, as fast as you are being duped into thinking they want equality as much as you do.
    Evil White man?
    Be careful what you wish for,,,,,oh,,,too late….

  119. modyfied says:

    Oh, and for mothers day?
    I’d like a mom who can stand up for herself, and not leave her children behind at the first sign of trouble.
    A man stayed, a woman left.
    Quit whining about it and DO something about it…..

  120. “What do a bunch of sleazebag lawyers, academic introverts and corrupt community activists know about medicine?”

    More than you, apparently.

  121. LornaDoone says:

    modyfied – I guess you don’t want a woman in the image of a man named Newt

  122. “Women are far to smart for the Left’s empty rhetoric and blatant falsehoods to be effective in the long run.”

    Here’s a clue. When you repeatedly attack other posters’ spelling and grammar, you only make yourself look like a fool when you don’t know the difference between “to” and “too”.

  123. LornaDoone says:

    “XBJ98N says:
    May 7, 2012 at 6:57 am Abortion…..Seems like a strange topic as we near Mother’s Day!”

    Ask Rick Santorum’s wife who aborted after having children already. That would be the definition of a mother having an abortion.

    You see, everyone has their health care challenges and it’s best left between a doctor and a patient as to the required decisions.

    Of course, the other issue is that “women’s health care” mens much more than abortion, but those with limited scope will always fall to the same position.

  124. modified – stop trying to modify history and reality.

    Over 70% of women know that it is the right wing that is trying to take away their rights.

    The ‘face’ of the GOP IS white and male.

    RE your mother day wish – is that autobiographical.? In the US 83% of single parents are women.

  125. LornaDoone says:

    “What do a bunch of sleazebag lawyers, academic introverts and corrupt community activists know about medicine?”

    Yeah, I prefer to take the word of my doctor, who said that health care in America is in terrible shape, especially for those who can’t get insured. Of course, that was just a doctor talking. What would he know?

  126. The entire discussion about women being able to do jobs traditionally done by men is a waste of energy. Sure.You can provide one anecdote after another to prove there are big strong women out there…and there are slight, weak men. So what? There’s a lot more to what makes a woman a woman and a man a man than muscle strength. But I think few here are actually interested in discussing this.

    IMO the shallow feminism of the last few decades has resulted in women becoming more muscular (fine by me) and also more vulgar and indiscriminate about whom they have sex with (a sad deterioriation). It reminds me again of the Harrison Bergon story where the only way to make everyone equal was to go down to the lowest common denominator, thus a bright, athletic and gifted man was forced to wear chains and comic mask; and forced to hear loud buzzes in his ears whenever he had an original thought. It was a futuristic, utopian story, exaggerated of course (for those of you who might miss the point).

    That a foul-mouted, homely and generally unpleasant woman…Kathy Griffin…can make millions of dollars “entertaining” folks with her disgusting repertoire says volumes about where this culture has gotten. It’s a sad day.

  127. “That a foul-mouted, homely and generally unpleasant woman…Kathy Griffin…can make millions of dollars “entertaining” folks with her disgusting repertoire says volumes about where this culture has gotten.”

    I have the same opinion about Rush Limbo, but he’s funnier.

  128. LornaDoone says:

    “The entire discussion about women being able to do jobs traditionally done by men is a waste of energy.”

    Absolutely! Couldn’t agree more. Look at the source of that discussion. CT7.

    Pay equity has nothing to do with women doing traditional male jobs. It is about equal pay for equal jobs and CT7 took it off in a direction that had nothing to do with the subject matter.

    But let’s play with this. Let’s say that “logging” is a male job. Should a male logger be paid more than a female brain surgeon because it requires more “muscle”?????? This was what CT7 was trying to say and it has NOTHING to do with the Ledbetter legislation.

    To stipulate that women should not be allowed to do “traditional male jobs” is an entirely different kind of discrimination.

  129. LornaDoone says:

    If men were traditionally “more vulgar and indiscriminate about having sex”…..who were they having sex with if not with women who only became such because of “feminism”???????????

    The conservative rationale doesn’t always add up.

  130. BlaineCGarver says:

    The race card, and now, the Girl Card…..

  131. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Lardnos- you took this line “jobs that women will not/can’t physically” and twisted it to fit your alternate universe.

    It is a true statement, expanded on in the article. It has to do with some of the factors that lead to a ‘perceived’ pay inequality.

    Your caveman response ignored any meaning and context. It ignored the fact that men work longer hours and are more willing to move for work.

    Nice try. You, in typical fashion, killed a thread, destroyed conversation, and avoided facts and reason.

    PM33 though some great facts out there for you and your ilk to chew on. Of course they were ignored because your lame one liners do not work against reason and facts.

    But if the ERA gets passed 89 years later, I look forward to women getting drafted into the Infantry. Fair is fair, right Lardnos? And why did it fail in our liberal hat called Canada?

  132. LornaDoone says:

    concerned – you were challenged to present one job that was MALE ONLY and you failed. Then your proceded to go off on your personal insult rant, as usual It was noted by more participants than me.

    Aside from that, the subject about the Ledbetter legislation has nothing to do with “male only jobs” (of which you have provided none). Pay equality is about equal pay for equal job assignments.

    As to women in the military, I encourage the draft and women in the draft. A non-volunteer military has NOTHING to do with job assignment once a person is drafted. A medical student would be assigned a medical position after being drafted, unless the military is even more stupid than the demonstrate. Besides, women already serve in combat. You are incredibly lacking in knowledge about women and their roles in society.

    As usual, you are somewhere out near Uranus when the topic of discussion is the world in which we live.

    The only fact I know concerning PM33 is that the “m” portion is a misnomer and that she has trouble registering her own name for an email acount

  133. LornaDoone says:

    “You, in typical fashion, killed a thread, destroyed conversation, and avoided facts and reason” – concernedtacoma7

    “concernedtacoma7 says:
    May 5, 2012 at 1:29 am Frank- your mom needs to read more than your posts.”

    Ironic hypocrisy. We know how much “momma” insults adds to the conversation. Of course there is always the strong possibility of chemically induced spewings at 1:29 am

  134. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Once again you deflect and lie. The “male only” aspect is generated by you. I spefically said there were exceptions, but GENERALLY speaking there are male dominated industries (based on physical characteristics) that expose additional industries/jobs to men, adding to a perceived “pay inequality”.

    Men also work longer hours and are willing to work in more situations.

    But keep up your emotional ranting, ignoring facts.

  135. Ehill – and Kathy tells the truth far, far more often the Lush.

    LD,
    I’m beginning to think that there are multiple people using the name moniker.

    How else can you explain the incredible inability of the ct7 moniker to remember what they supposedly said in a previous comment?

  136. took14theteam says:

    Wow xring, you are on to something. Larry should know something about multiple people using the same name. Funny you should mention that xring….

    From the past.

    NickDixon
    NOV. 19, 2011 AT 2:40 PM  

    I will say that “K a r d n o s” and I, along with about 14 other bloggers have had a tremendous laugh at your expense. Several of us used the “K a r d n o s” moniker (all you need to do is know the log in password) and did our thing.

  137. LornaDoone says:

    “Men also work longer hours and are willing to work in more situations.”
    This is the second or third time CT7 has spewed this. There is not an ounce of truth to it.

    Tookie – ::::::finger hooked in mouth sign:::::: Or are you “gloves” today?

  138. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Prove me wrong then. They are cited by respected publications above. Or do you just want to keep deflecting?

  139. took14theteam says:

    So is that Mrs. Larry (booking gigs for you) or Son Eric?

    ::::::::LOL::::::::

    Yep, I am “gloves” today.

  140. LornaDoone says:

    “and take jobs that women will not/can’t physically”

    Under the category of “can’t”…CT7 provides NOTHING, but claims there are MALE ONLY JOBS that WOMEN CAN’T do.

    Pay equity is only measured in same job status.

  141. LornaDoone says:

    Tookie….if I died tomorrow….what would you do for an obsession?

    I don’t have a son “Eric”. That was bad information your other alter ego – Average Joseppi/Lorenzo got from a data base that also has my last name as “Goodwin”, which I’ve never been. (you get what you pay for with free data bases, which is why it’s smart to always check your credit rating and correct all of the mistakes if you want to make major purchases like RVs, Cars and houses). I’d better quit now before Tookie gets upset and accuses me of trying to get the last word in.

    Concerned is pulling the old favorite of making a baseless assertion and we have to prove him wrong. LMAO Hey, Concerned – Uranus is made from green cheese. Prove me wrong.

    Concerned – let me guess, you flunked Debate class?

  142. concernedtacoma7 says:

    What a childish argument. How many 40 year old moms of 3 can do physical jobs like logging vs. a 40 male? Are there exceptions, of course. But on average, who can handle the daily strains on the body better? Do you need the birds and bees explained to you next?

    The debate is not whether there are male dominated jobs or not. The debate is how does that affect the average woman’s pay over her lifetime.

    And PM33 brought up a great argument- if it is cheaper to hire women, who would hire a man? Is there some huge sexist conspiracy out there?

    I can only assume you are trying to be annoying, since you are so far in left field on this one.

  143. LornaDoone says:

    “They are cited by respected publications above.”

    HUH????? Brietbart Publishing????

  144. LornaDoone says:

    Oh and Concerned…when you claim men work more hours than women, are you including the work women do running the house? Careful, Ann Romney will be upset.

    LOL

  145. took14theteam says:

    Interesting that you call me “Tookie”…

    And if you died tomorrow, there would be less anger in my life. So, I guess that would be a good thing.

    :-)

    (Just trying to play how a leftwing nut would respond. Kleu, Blow, Pub?)

  146. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Wow, funny. Almost as funny as Michelle Obama’s $300k no show job in Chicago. Invented for her and abandoned after she left.

    But nice deflection

  147. LD – as if there were no harlots and loose women before the feminist movement.

    Took – sarcasm is not you long suit.

    CT7 – any 40 year old mom who had as much experience as your 40-year old male, would work just as hard and get more done because the little ladies have a habit of working smarter than big macho males.

    Real question is how many 40-year old male office workers could keep up with any experienced logger?

    Oh how typical, the right brings up a subject, looses the argument, then runs off crying that the evil bully lefty brought up the argument in the first place.

    Why not hire all women – because there’s not enough to go around.

    no show job – story well and truly debunked – but don’t let truth and reality get in the way of a good talking point,

    no it was not a good deflection – even by your substandard standards.

  148. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Xring, you asked me for proof of MO’s $300k job not that long ago, and I obliged. You debunked nothing.

    You show your hypocracy and blind partisanship.

    As to 40 year old loggers, even you must have some common sense.

  149. Pacman33 says:

    eel screeches –
    “you only make yourself look like a fool when you don’t know the difference between “to” and “too”.”

    I said women were smart. I never said I was.
    I never address other’s spelling. If a comment or a sentence in a comment directed to me is so mangled I can’t honestly decipher it, I will let the person know. I don’t speculate as to what their issue is. Could be poor typing skills, bad speller, flunked grammar, auto-fill, in a hurry … who knows? Who cares. Any of those things pale in comparison to whatever condition torments you.

  150. Pacman33 says:

    LsD projects –
    “Oh and Concerned…when you claim men work more hours than women, are you including the work women do running the house?”

    Men also work longer hours and are willing to work in more situations.”
    This is the second or third time CT7 has spewed this. There is not an ounce of truth to it.

    Read more here: http://blog.thenewstribune.com/letters/2012/05/04/what-this-mom-wants-for-her-day/#comment-217820#storylink=cpy

    http://www.bls.gov/news.release/atus.nr0.htm
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303592404577361883019414296.html
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2012/04/16/its-time-that-we-end-the-equal-pay-myth/

  151. Pacman33 says:

    LDS-
    “Oh and Concerned…when you claim men work more hours than women, are you including the work women do running the house?”

    That’s what you don’t get. It is the Left and those who push this mythical wage gap, that are denigrating the work of many women, simply because it doesn’t come with a dollar sign attached to it. By claiming there is some kind of gender gap in income, your claiming the priceless work women do at home is worthless and without any value whatsoever by taking general wage data at face value. Further, you’re not even taking into account how those women at home aid in increasing their husbands wages.

    Since women usually spend more time at home, they have less time to work, and thereby their earning potential is reduced. Since men have many of their domestic responsibilities taken care of for them, they have more time to work and thereby their earning potential increases.

    Women make choices that make a lot of sense for them that aren’t reflected in the wage data. For example, the choice of occupations. If you’re a computer engineer and you take five years out to have a child and raise him until the age you can put him in daycare, when you come back the tech world has likely changed in 5 years. You’d have to start way, way back. On the other hand, if you become a librarian, a teacher or other occupations like that, you can take your five years off and then come back pretty much where you left off.

    The fact is families and marriage have a major impact on the choices women make in their careers that the Left doesn’t want to admit or include in their deceptive ploy to incite ‘a war against women’. It only makes them materialistic in addition to dishonest.

  152. frosty says:

    I hate to keep repeating myself, but here goes, I wish all liberals would practice some kind of birth control. The world would be a much better place.

  153. ct7 – gave me a single story which, as a pointed out contained several poison pills that cast grave doubts on your allegations. Two of which were:

    Mrs Obama left to aid her husband on the campaign trail, and

    The hospital was undergoing a significant down sizing.

    Pac – “It’s the Inequality Stupid’

    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2011/02/income-inequality-in-america-chart-graph

  154. LornaDoone says:

    Well, I really wanted to avoid the avalanche of opinion pieces but here goes….

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-449606/Its-true-women-work-longer-hours-men.html

    Now aside from this piece and the others….who keeps track of all the hours worked by women and men – especially when most workers are salaried and work as many hours as necessary.

    It was a stupid claim and continues to be a stupid claim, internet opinions aside, and it STILL DOESN’T address pay inequity, no matter how you filibuster the subject.

    frosty – if you hate repeating yourself…don’t. It wasn’t funny the first time. A good comedian doesn’t milk a bad joke.

  155. LornaDoone says:

    Pacman – when you see this – “Op/Ed|4/16/2012 @ 4:27PM”

    It’s an opinion piece and there need be no facts included.

    Save yourself about 250 words of embellishment by looking to see if the piece is simply an opinion.

    Then when you see this – “Carrie L. Lukas (born 1973) is the managing director and director of policy for the conservative but non-partisan Independent Women’s Forum (IWF).” You know the origin of the opinion piece.

  156. LornaDoone says:

    “On the days that they worked, employed men worked 41 minutes more than
    employed women.”

    and THAT would reflect a pay difference of over 25%??????????

    Nice “fact”. LOL

  157. concernedtacoma7 says:

    So why isn’t unemployment for women 0%? Who would ever hire a male over a female?

  158. Ct7 – that would be discrimination – which is against the law.

  159. L.D. It was funny then and still funny. I reoeat, Liberal women should not have kids. Ha Ha Ha

  160. “Liberal women should not have kids. Ha Ha Ha”

    and conservative men should all be castrated. ROFLMAO – now THAT’s funnny!!

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