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CONSERVATIVES: Name is new, but ideas aren’t

Letter by Annie Russell, Gig Harbor on May 1, 2012 at 1:00 pm with 144 Comments »
May 1, 2012 1:14 pm

Re: While Obama offers a health care ploy, Ryan offers a plan” (Michael Gerson column, 5-1).

So it’s “reform conservatism” now, is it? I guess “compassionate” and “neo” and “paleo” didn’t work out so well, so now it’s time to rebrand – again.

Looks like the same old junk to me. Behind the shiny new name is good old “trickle-down.” Gerson tries to paint as pragmatic Paul Ryan’s radically divisive, punitive and austere budget plan that takes from the poor and middle class and lavishly pampers the ultra-rich and corporations.

It’s exactly what “supply-side” economics has always been: the reverse of Robin Hood, though quite in the tradition of the feudalism of Robin’s day. Skew everything toward the rich and powerful, and you “little people” will do just fine. Conservatives have never lost hope of returning to that wonderful age of strict hierarchy and classism.

The problem is that it has never actually worked in human history, at least not for those “little people”; it works like a charm for the economic elite. Since America returned to “trickle-down” ideology with the Reagan Revolution, the gap between the haves and the have-nots has dramatically widened. The top 1 percent has gobbled up wealth and assets, while the middle and lower classes have stagnated.

And now the Republicans want to sell the old, discredited ideology to us yet again, with a new name. Look! We have a new idea! It’s “reformist.” It’s supported by “experts.” How about low (or no) taxes on the rich and corporations, deregulation and privatization?

Yes, they think we are that stupid.

Leave a comment Comments → 144
  1. aislander says:

    Robin Hood stole from the tax collector and returned the wealth to the people who created it.

    Kinda the opposite of Democrats, doncha think?

  2. Pacman33 says:

    Yeah how stupid does the Left think we are? Because we all know well the “Trickle Up Poverty” of Spread-The-Wealth Obamanomics is working right?

    If the Left needed to confirm their economic illiteracy (they don’t):
    the gap between the haves and the have-nots has dramatically widened. The top 1 percent has gobbled up wealth and assets, while the middle and lower classes have stagnated.

    Read more here: http://blog.thenewstribune.com/letters/2012/05/01/same-as-it-ever-was/#respond#storylink=cpy

  3. Pacman33 says:

    “the gap between the haves and the have-nots has dramatically widened. The top 1 percent has gobbled up wealth and assets, while the middle and lower classes have stagnated.”

    They rely on a fallacy to support their argument, that even if it was true, it is completely irrelevant to the economic growth of a nation.

  4. Publico says:

    And Pac33 has what for credentials that quality him to comment on economic principles in opposition to Mr. Paul Krugman.
    Annie, you got it right. A new name for a failed ideology will not make any difference.

  5. chile74 says:

    From the Census Bureau – The share of income received by the top 5% of American households is now 21.5% up from 21.4% in the 1990’s while the share of income taxes has risen to 59% under President Obama from 52% under President Clinton.

  6. menopaws says:

    Great letter……….Paul Ryan and Mitt Romney are Wall street, pure and simple. the same people, who with NO regulation, almost shut this economy down in 2008………They can spin and spin and spin—but this economy was in FULL meltdown on Bush’s watch. And all the plans in their hands won’t change that fact. Stupidity is defined as doing the same thing over and over and over and expecting different results…….the Republicans could make that their theme—Reaganomics/2012……….Ketchup as a vegetable again, anyone??????? They keep quoting Reagan as their mentor—-the highest tax increase in this country occurred during the Reagan adminstration. Say what you want—Reagan was smart enough to know when more revenue was needed to fight the Cold War…….And, he got it done……This crowd of Republicans has a very convenient memory. Ronald Reagan was a realist. Reality is a real challenge for this crowd.

  7. Aislander – beats steal from the poor and given to the rich like the rpots want to do.

    Pac – very stupid for sure, as shown by your posts which are full of lies, untruths, and rightwing talking points.

    CBO – top 1% have doubled their share of the income over the last three decades.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/26/us/politics/top-earners-doubled-share-of-nations-income-cbo-says.html?_r=1

    Chile – post you citation.

  8. GHTaxPayer says:

    Does the left think we haven’t been watching the last 3 1/2 years? EVERYTHING that Obama and liberals have touched has turned into crap:
    1) Obamacare will cost 3x more than advertised, is #1 reason why employers aren’t hiring and is about to be overturned by SCOTUS
    2) $16 Trillion deficit with no budget in 3 years from Dems
    3) 10.9% REAL unemployment using Bush-era calculations
    4) Worst housing slump EVER
    5) Green job fraud including Solyndra
    6) GM bailed out and lays off 95,000 workers, post 8% loss last quarter and Chevy Volt pulled from production for low sales
    7) Obama submitted budget so horrible not even one Dem voted for it – 2 years in a row !!
    8) $850 Billion Stimulus seen as failure by all

    The ONLY successful Obama policy is a continued Bush policy – waterboarding leads to killing of Osama Bin Laden. Thanks GWB !!

  9. GHTaxPayer says:

    And why didn’t Obama and Dems change tax code and make the rich pay their “fair share” during the first two years of Obama’s failed presidency when he had control of House & Senate ??

    Because it’s all a hypocritical lie.

  10. nanook says:

    Annie’s opinion is mirrored by menopaws and many others. The point they attempt to make may be valid but their villain of choice clearly defines thier ignorance.

    Big government and big politicians from both sides are the villains.

  11. Refrigerator says:

    I am tired of the poor and near poor demanding to be taken care of off the backs of the working middle class. The poor and the rich democrat contributors are the user class that has brought this country down. The professional victim democrats need to go.

  12. Chili
    From 1979 to 2007: for the 1% of the population with the highest incomes.

    Average inflation adjusted after tax income grew by 275%

    Their share of after tax income rose from 8 to 17%

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/26/us/politics/top-earners-doubled-share-of-nations-income-cbo-says.html

    GHT,
    It was republican policies that got us into this mess, and it is the republicans who are keeping us from getting out of the mess they made.

    “only success = water boarding” Noone has been water boarded under Obama.

    GHT – never heard how the republicans in the senate filibustered more bills than in the previous 200 years?

    Update to Mark Twain: We now have liars, damn liars, and republican talking points.

  13. concernedtacoma7 says:

    After today’s action in Seattle by the left’s militant arm they should be in hiding.

    Thanks BHO, Pelosi, and the unions for supporting these 99%ers!

  14. GHTaxPayer says:

    Xring – It’s pretty hard to filibuster when your opponent has SUPERMAJORITIES in both houses. That’s how the Dems rammed Obamacare down our throats.

    And it was DEMOCRAT policies that crippled our economy – right after Pelosi & Reid took control of House & Senate in 2006 that our economy tanked.

    And are you happy paying $4.15 per gallon of gas while Solyndra steals taxpayer money and leaves toxic waste behind in their empty warehouses? Thanks Barack !

  15. kluwer says:

    LOL!
    The rightists are doing they level best to prove the letter writer correct!
    Just look at the lies they are spreading, ghtax (sock puppet) the worst offender!
    Yes Annie, you hit the nail on the head, the ‘ideas’ and lies are the same…no matter what they try and sell it as!

  16. concernedtacoma7 says:

    How’s this for an idea- spend within reason. Budget.

    Krugman is a total joke. Nobel? BHO ruined that. Far left nutjobs giving someone a prize for potential future action.

  17. truthbusterguy says:

    Google this lady and read her previous letters to the TNT. She is a muslim loving, vet hating liberal whacko. Why does the Trib waste our time by giving ink to such crazies.

  18. kluwer says:

    “After today’s action in Seattle by the left’s militant arm”

    That didn’t take long!
    Truly pathetic, even for the right.

  19. kluwer says:

    “How’s this for an idea- spend within reason. Budget.”

    Try this ct7, google spending by party…..you won’t like what you find.

  20. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Klu- try googling the dem’s current budget proposal. And lets look at recent history. Narrow your search by Congress. Thanks!

    And you may want us to ignore the mess in Seattle, but not that long ago many leftists on this board were cheering for them.

  21. aislander says:

    Yuh can’t filibuster the budget bill, xring. The Dems just don’t want their fingerprints on all this spending…

  22. chile74 says:

    Lawrence Lindsey: Geithner and the ‘Privilege’ of Being American …online.wsj.com/…/SB1000142405297020465360457724780037032.

    xring – your article is about the top 1%. Mine is about households. Get it? It is not surprising that the share of the income of the top 1% has doubled over 30 years. My response – so what? I would expect that over 30 years.

    The households of the top 5% are not getting further ahead compared to others in terms of income since their share of income went up only .1% over the last 20 years and their share of income taxes went up 7%. These top earner households are paying their fair share.

  23. cclngthr says:

    Refrigerator,

    If you are tired of the poor, why don’t you use them as food for you and your family? That way, the poor will be properly dealt with and you get to be fed.

  24. took14theteam says:

    Why is it pathetic to mention what is happening in Seattle Sum klu?

    Leftwing DB’s destroying property, confronting police (who can’t do anything because of a tree hugging bike ridding idiot of a Mayor and fear of the race baiters), disrupting the lives of the 99% who are there trying to make a living. They shouldn’t bite the hand that is giving them a handout via BHO and the government.

  25. menopaws says:

    Shooting the messenger will NOT solve your problem of explaining Reagan’s tax increases, will it?? He was smart and knew how to work the conservatives………Blame Obama, blame the letter writer……… The logic of what Reagan actually did versus what these current morons say he did is huge. The current fantasy being projected is just a flat out lie………Suckers born every minute and leading the horse to water who won’t drink……which fantasy life do you prefer?

  26. bobcat1a says:

    The trouble in Seattle is 100% by anarchists, another name for libertarians. Two sides of the same coin, government haters.

  27. took14theteam says:

    ?

  28. took14theteam says:

    ? was for menopaws.

    But applies to the cat too.

  29. GHT – suppermajority in Senate.
    110th congress – jan 2007 – jan 2009: 49 D, 49 R, 2 I.
    111th congress – jan 2009 – jan 2011: 57 D, 41 R, 2 I – set record for filibusters – all lead by R’s
    112th congress – jan 2011 – jan 2013: 51 D, 47 R, 2 I.

    So much for you lie of demo supermajorities.

    Wall Steet Crash – sept 2098 (Bush still in White House)

    CT7 – once again – The House writes the budget. Go goole Ryan Budget.

    Aislander – don’t be a fool. There is no limit on which bills can or cannot be fillibustered. And the Rottens GOP filiblustered every budget porposed by the 111th Congress.

    chile – waffal all you want. The truth is that the rich are getting richer while the rest of us are at best just holding on. And the GOP wants to see the rich get evern richer.

    CC – Soylent Green.

  30. concernedtacoma7 says:

    No Xring, the GOP wants everyone to get richer, on their own merit.

    Your #ows side of the aisle wants to redistribute and have the masses look toward govt for their “fair share”.

  31. RLangdon says:

    Conservatives = Nattering Nabobs of Negativism!

  32. GHTaxPayer says:

    Occupy Seattle, the friends of Obama and Liberals, have all been arrested for smashing windows in small businesses and looting.

    Too bad anarchist Annie Russell wasn’t among them. Or was she?

  33. Frankenchrist says:

    Conservatives = Rancid Reptoids of Reaction!

  34. CT7 – ‘gop wants all to be rich’ you have got to be kidding. Even a headless zombies knows that will never happen, and i have yet to see any republican policy that did not make the rich richer by maker eveyone else poor.

    You deserve the flying fickle finger of fate coming your way.

    bobcat and ght – ayn rind well know ararchist and athesist is the darling of the right, the woman paul ryan says made him what he is today. Before he did a romney and disavowed her.

    GHT- ryan budget voted down by senate 3 years in a row – thank god for small favors.

    And will continue to be shoot down until there are 60 tpotted senators.

  35. kluwer says:

    “The trouble in Seattle is 100% by anarchists, another name for libertarians. Two sides of the same coin, government haters.”

    Nailed it!
    But the right will never figure it out, you see in their ‘minds’ there is no down side to rightwing extremism.

  36. harleyrider1 says:

    Annie,
    How can one “take from the poor”? If they are poor, logically, they have nothing for us to take. Are the “poor” the ones that are paying for Obama’s recent two-year extended war in Afghanistan? Did the poor pay for the $100-billion dollar aid package?

    Are the poor paying for Obama’s recent U.S. military intrusions into four (4) African nations? We are now fighting in 4 more countries.

    If just one Country other than America has a better example to live life, why does everyone, including our enemies, want to come here? If this Republic is not working, why is it the only “Super-power” and gives more to supporting all other countries in terms of food and aid, than any combined group of nations?

    Obama had control with a full two (2) years of Democrat-controlled Congress and his lack of policy resulted in no changes. Two years. He has no excuses.

    Your regurgitation of class warfare and media spew is a reflection of what? Do you really think people that have more money than you do not pay their fair share? Do you really think that poor people build the corporations, create jobs, and donate to charity?

    If you want classes, go to India. It’s enlightening.

  37. kluwer says:

    “If you want classes, go to India. It’s enlightening.”

    No need to go to India, the GOP is bringing the India model to the USA.

  38. kluwer says:

    “Obama had control with a full two (2) years of Democrat-controlled Congress”

    Repeat the lie often enough.

  39. ErnestTBass says:

    Just take a little time and Google: “Different Presidents a different corps” “Oath Keeper!!”

  40. Pacman33 says:

    “CBO – top 1% have doubled their share of the income over the last three decades.”
    “And Pac33 has what for credentials that quality him to comment on economic principles in opposition to Mr. Paul Krugman.”

    If you want to accurately measure the incomes of individual Americans you don’t use HOUSEHOLD incomes. Instead you use income PER CAPITA. Figures based on household incomes merely show changes in demographic patterns such as increases in single-head-of-household families or an aging population.

    The “income gap” hasn’t changed in over 25 years.

    Both the CBO and Krugman make the mistake of using household incomes. The CBO reports on what figures they are told to by politicians. Krugman … well, does what Krugman does best; Politics.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hPIIlzlRYU

    http://www.realclearmarkets.com/articles/2012/03/08/the_misleading_tale_of_income_inequality_99555.html

    http://blogs.wsj.com/wealth/2011/12/06/report-inequality-hasnt-changed-in-25-years/

  41. chile74 says:

    xring – not only is your spelling atrocious – “waffal” is waffle and “the rich get “evern”? richer, your research is terrible too. The Senate Democrats had a supermajority from July 2009 to Feb 2010 since both Independents voted with the Democrats. 58 Dems and 2 independents. But then it doesn’t really matter because the Dems usually picked off a liberal Republican from a liberal state like Collins or Snowe.

    The rich have always gotten richer – where have you been? (the rest of the phrase is the poor get poorer – you ought to know the reasons for both)

    “The rest of us are at best just holding on” – are you kidding? Why don’t you talk to the thousands the work at Boeing and other Companies in Washington. Your statement is nothing but liberal propaganda like so many of the statements by liberals on this thread.

  42. chile74 says:

    Oops! – got in a hurry – that’s thousands “that” work at Boeing.

  43. Pacman33 says:

    The wealth disparity argument never has had anything to do with facts.
    It’s a ludicrous message and it runs counter to all reason and logic.

    For instance the term “inequality” is not a meaningful term in itself.
    The state of “inequality” denotes there is a state that would be considered “equality.” Otherwise, the term would be meaningless. So if we assume there is such a thing as “equality” then we therefore have to assume that someone must be responsible for defining what “equality” looks like?
    Anyone?
    Would ‘equality’ be mandating everybody’s annual income to be the figure of $37,500? Despite the fact some jobs are more demanding, require dedicating more time toward, are more dangerous, require specialized training, etc.
    That is NOT equal, nor is it “fair”. That is not economic justice, social justice or any kind of justice. In fact, it is the opposite of justice and freedom alike. It is a contradiction of our Founding Principles and of the United States America itself.

  44. chile74 says:

    Pac – That’s the best description of the debate I have ever read. Nice job! Why don’t you send in a letter with those thoughts. Might get all of us thinking how ridiculous Obama’s message is.

  45. chile – better my bad spell that a fool like you.

    A supermajority in the senate is 60 votes which the dems never had thanks to blue dog dinos that voted republican more often than not.

    2009 – 2010 = the congress that had more filabusters (all by republican)
    than all previous congresses.

    Try doing some research and stop sprewing right wing talking points.

    Pac – here’s a clue – a good job – answer what the working and middle
    classes want.

    Ineauality – ceo’s making 300 times what workers make, and getting million
    dollar bonus for sending our jobs overseas.

  46. Bandito says:

    The lack of descent paying jobs that do not require a college degree, the same jobs that our parents thrived on, is at the heart of our economic woes. The GOP cannot be interested in the welfare of the dwindling middle class as long as they espouse to trickle down economics and endless outsourcing. Supply siders are only interested in keeping the supply of wealth on their side, not whether they damage the middle class. The outrage expressed by the Occupiers will only get more intense as their ability and desire to earn a living wage becomes more and more unattainable due to lack of opportunity.

  47. Pacman33 says:

    chile74-
    Click on the YouTube link in my post @ 6:58.
    Thomas Sowell is one of the most brilliant economists of our time and he specializes in the statistical aspect of economics. In that video he destroys “The Study” that has fueled this asinine “99%” craze that has duped leftists across the nation. I say “The Study” because the leftist rabble-rousers keep rehashing the same flawed study that cites household incomes from 1979 – 2007. It is the entire substance of the ‘Income Inequality’ farce.

  48. Sell your snake oil to the rich. The average household is living this nightmare. We don’t need no stink’n study to tell us just how bad things have become and who has gotten richer on account of the Bush tax cuts.

  49. Don’t you mean “the thousands WHO work at Boeing?”

    I laughed so hard when I read your comment about atrocious spelling and then show your exquisite literacy talents.

  50. Pacman33 says:

    xring squawks –
    “Pac – here’s a clue – a good job – answer what the working and middle
    classes want.”

    Then send Obama goose-stepping back to Chicago. I guarantee a massive hiring frenzy when Obama is denied his second term. Obama’s anti-business rhetoric and actions has created an environment of unpredictability and uncertainty that is responsible for the stagnation in the U.S economy. Not only are employers hesitant to hire, they are trying to to assess the liability of the workforce they currently have. Rightfully concerned the Dog-Eater-and-Chief could put them out of business with single Executive Order.

  51. Pacman33 says:

    Class Warfare is NOT a Jobs Bill

    “Jobs, Jobs, Jobs”

    The Dems are all …..

    Talk, Talk, Talk

  52. LornaDoone says:

    Some people are brilliant economists and others can’t use their own name for an email account.

  53. LornaDoone says:

    “chile74 says:
    May 1, 2012 at 2:59 pm From the Census Bureau – The share of income received by the top 5% of American households is now 21.5% up from 21.4% in the 1990′s while the share of income taxes has risen to 59% under President Obama from 52% under President Clinton.”

    Since we’re using precisely the same tax schedule as we did under Bush, that must mean that taxes under Bush rose in accordance with this statement.

  54. aislander says:

    xring: YOU are making a fool of yourself. Budgets are governed under special rules called “reconciliation,” which do not allow filibusters, and the Democrat Senate has not dealt with the budget at all in the last three years.

    Make sure you know what you’re talking about before calling names…

  55. yabetchya says:

    test

  56. “today’s action in Seattle by the left’s militant arm they should be in hiding.”

    ROFLMAO – you and aiSlander need to get your stories straight! According to aiSlander (the world’s leading self-proclaimed expert on everything) the demand for less government is a right-wing ideal. So anarchists, who desire no government at all, are nothing more than extreme right-wingers.

  57. “the term “inequality” is not a meaningful term in itself”

    in·e·qual·i·ty/ˌiniˈkwälitē/
    Noun:

    1. Difference in size, degree, circumstances, etc.; lack of equality.
    2. The relation between two expressions that are not equal, employing a sign such as ≠ “not equal to,” > “greater than,” or…

    You’re welcome.

  58. Aislander, not as big a fool as you just made yourself.
    Before that the Senate can, and does filibuster budget bills. Proof – the reason the Republican lead filibuster of the 2010 budget preventing the Senate from passing a budget bill thus negating reconciliation.

    Reconciliation only applies AFTER the House and Senate have passed non-identical budget bills that have been ‘reconciled’ by a House/Senate conference committee.

    Moreover reconciliation can, and his been, used on non-budget bills.

    ‘Not dealt with the budget for three years’
    a.since the government is being funded the congress must have passed some sort of budget or budget extension.

    b. How has the senate not dealt with the buudget except by filibuster.

    Suggest you take you own advise and do some research some where other than fox-spews or GOP talking points R us.

  59. sorry – first and second paragraphs are swithced.

  60. “Thomas Sowell is one of the most brilliant economists of our time”

    Sowell is a moron.

  61. “Make sure you know what you’re talking about before calling names…”

    And there is todays ‘hypocrisy moment’!
    Thanks ailnader we always know you will come through!

  62. Pac – ‘one of the most brilliant’ only because he reinforces you flawed conservatcon beliefs.

    Only conseratcon blind mole rats goose step.

    The problem will be that the hiring frenzy will not occur in this country.

    Obama is not a unitary president and is limited in his powers by the constitution.

    Rpots say:
    cut, cut, cut;
    give, give, give;
    praise the load and
    pass the tax cuts
    for the rich.

  63. chile74 says:

    xring – “better my bad spelling that a fool like you” I think that sentence tells us who is the fool. I won’t mention your spelling of “filabuster” or “ineauality” oops, I just did. The Dems had a filibuster proof Senate with two independents that voted with them virtually all of the time – 58 Dems and two independents (this is a repeat). You got it x-ring?

    Pac – thanks for the wealth report. I agree. I have read many of Sowell’s articles.

    qm – No, I meant “that” not “who” – both are acceptable. “We don’t need no stinkin study” I think that phrase says it all about you, qm.

    LD – taxes did not rise under Bush. Millions of people are unemployed (but their spouse works) and underemployed so their income has decreased. So, the share of total income taxes paid by the top 5% of households has gone up. Read Pac’s article about the myth of inequality.

    bandito and x-ring – So, it is the Republicans that are outsourcing all of the jobs. Where is your source on that? Try CEO’s are Dems, Republicans and Independents. The outsourcing is due to the high wages and benefits in the US. The companies are in the business of making money not providing jobs for everyone.

  64. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Where is the intelligent left we hear so much about? LD, X, and Klu are an embarrassment for the left, and America as a whole. Kind of like #ows.

    Klu, give it up. Even our local spelling bee champ, xring, tries to throw a fact into the debate every now and then.

    There is a reason the dems shift the debate to social issues. When it comes to economic issues, they cannot hold a meaningful conversation.

  65. Chile – one to the two independents was Joe Lieberman, plus there were several blue dogs that generally backed republican filibusters.

    To say the Dems had a filibuster proof senate is just flat wrong as witnessed by, among things, the 400+ house passed bills that never came up for a vote in the Senate because of republican filibusters.

    The reason the poor get poorer, US jobs sent overseas, wages failing to keep up with inflection, increased taxes.

    Reason rich get richer; US jobs sent overseas, incomes far out pacing inflection, drastically reduced taxes.

    The myth in Pac’s post is the myth of inequality.

    When the republicans controlled the house and senate under Bush, they enacted legislation that gave tax breaks to corporations that out sourced US jobs.

    Now, they are blocking attempts to give similar tax incentives to corporations that bring jobs back to the US.

    So tell me wise guy, when all our goods and service come from overseas who will be able to pay for them?

    CT7 – so sorry that we lefties keep embarrassing you righties – maybe more facts and less rhetoric would help you keep up with us.

    The problem with right wing ‘facts’ is they look just like right wing talking points.

  66. frosty says:

    xring, take a break, your twitch is getting more pronounced with each comment.

  67. LornaDoone says:

    “LD, X, and Klu are an embarrassment for the left, and America as a whole”

    Rather humorous from the King of Baseless Assertions. Oh look, there’s another one!

    Where’s your other half?

  68. LornaDoone says:

    “The Dems had a filibuster proof Senate with two independents that voted with them virtually all of the time – 58 Dems and two independents” – Chile

    Uh Chile, that “filibuster proof Senate” was from July 8, 2009 to August 25, 2009 and most of that time, Ted Kennedy could not get to the Senate to take part in votes. Brain cancer does that to you, thus the best that the Dems could muster was 59 votes and the month of August is Senate vacation, which the Republicans gladly took.

    You got it, Chile?

  69. LornaDoone says:

    “bandito and x-ring – So, it is the Republicans that are outsourcing all of the jobs. Where is your source on that? Try CEO’s are Dems, Republicans and Independents. The outsourcing is due to the high wages and benefits in the US. The companies are in the business of making money not providing jobs for everyone.”

    So they are not “job creators” after all?

  70. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Lardnos, Queen of the Occupy Movement, has no right to call anyone’s posts baseless.

    For years you have wallpapered, changing monikers and screaming party lines. Your hate of the Church, America, and your fellow man is nothing short of disgusting.

    You are scared because “the One” is a total failure. Since you have no understanding of the terms class, honor, pride, duty, I can see why you still support this failed admin and the progressive movement as a whole.

  71. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Lardnos wants sympathy because the dems could not ram through partisan crap for longer. Why not propose and pass laws that cater to everyone?

  72. LornaDoone says:

    Uh…CT7….didn’t you and Chile like that I proved you wrong about the filibuster proof Senate?

    You need to keep track of which moniker you are using.

  73. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Keep track of your conversations, cupcake.

    Unlike you and xring, I have only posted under one moniker.

  74. LornaDoone says:

    “concernedtacoma7 says:
    May 2, 2012 at 3:29 pm Lardnos, Queen of the Occupy Movement, has no right to call anyone’s posts baseless.
    For years you have wallpapered, changing monikers and screaming party lines. Your hate of the Church, America, and your fellow man is nothing short of disgusting.
    You are scared because “the One” is a total failure. Since you have no understanding of the terms class, honor, pride, duty, I can see why you still support this failed admin and the progressive movement as a whole”

    ::::hands CT7Chile some PantyDeWad:::::

    Hate to tell you, but Lorna hasn’t ever participated in an Occupy event, but don’t let that stop your rant. You were doing a perfectly good example of a sillyassedfool. The rest of your rant reads something like a Glenn Beck “report”. Nice work.

  75. LornaDoone says:

    You mean Chile is going out of its way to sound exactly like you?

    WHY????????

    I can’t believe someone would do that on purpose. Oh, I get it now. Chile is doing a satire bit, mocking you.

    I should have known.

  76. LornaDoone says:

    I do like your CT7, though, Fberg

  77. aislander says:

    You lobbed that too close to the net, xring. This from the Washington Post:

    “That said, Lew is completely wrong when he claims that 60 votes are needed to ‘pass a budget in the Senate.’ As he well knows, a budget resolution is one of the few things that are not subject to a filibuster. In fact, that is one reason why a bill based on reconciliation instructions cannot be filibustered.

    “You don’t even need 50 votes, just a simple majority.”

    If the budget mattered at all to Reid, et al, there is a mechanism he could have used to overcome ANY filibuster: simply leaving the item on the agenda before considering anything else.

    It’s not like the Senate is doing anything important under Reid…

  78. LornaDoone says:

    The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president.

    -Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, quoted in National Journal, November 4, 2010

    It’s not like the Senate minority is doing anything but….well…..

    As to the Senate majority and the budget….well, here:

    http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/05/25/6717773-senate-rejects-ryan-budget-vote-puts-gop-on-the-spot

    There are reasons, but the conservatives don’t want to explain that.

  79. kluwer says:

    Has any rightist here ever had a rational conversation or at least told the truth?

  80. aislander says:

    From messnbc (can yuh believe it?): “No senators voted for the Obama budget; it failed 0 to 97.”

    There are reasons the Dems don’t want to address that…

  81. LornaDoone says:

    kluwer – you are only asking that question because you are a terrorist that has plans to blow up the Statue of Liberty on Memorial Day while celebrating Saul Alinsky’s influence on the 9 year old known as Barry Soetoro, a Christian-Muslim who is taking all of the NRA guns while his wife Michelle Mybutti is mindmelding the children of America into starving themselves so that her children will be able to run the country.

    You are a socialist, marxist, lesbian-gay male, atheist/Muslim, anti-New York Yankee, hater of NASCAR.

  82. LornaDoone says:

    It appears the Democrats DID address “that”. Only someone trying to deceive would say otherwise.

    No senators voted for the Obama budget; it failed 0 to 97.

    Democrats argue that the budget proposed by Obama in February of this year has already been superceded by new plans from the White House and is therefore outdated.

    I wonder who was the one trying to deceive…..

  83. LornaDoone says:

    uh oh….did the b/f stick?

  84. aislander says:

    I said “address,” not “cover for…”

  85. frosty says:

    L.D, ct7 has it right about you constant changing of your moniker. I still think you are a draft dodger, you can run but you can’t hide.

  86. concernedtacoma7 says:

    “superceded by new plans from the White House and is therefore outdated.

    So there is a new budget proposal? Our favorite tax cheat said he has no plan. Is he out of the loop?

  87. bobcat1a says:

    The wealthy will always have useful fools among the lower classes who worship their betters and are willing to suck-up to assuage their inferiority complexes. If you can’t BE Donald Trump or one of the Koch Brothers, at least you can be on their side and FEEL superior to the Great Unwashed Masses.

  88. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Wow, BC1, I agree with your post! You just described the democratic party perfectly in that first line.

    But if you want to avoid the GUM, stay away from #ows events. You do not need material wealth to be superior to them.

  89. the Left needed to confirm their economic illiteracy

    [the left] rely on a fallacy to support their argument

    it’s all a hypocritical lie

    After today’s action in Seattle by the left’s militant arm they should be in hiding.

    Far left nutjobs

    She is a muslim loving, vet hating liberal whacko.

    you may want us to ignore the mess in Seattle, but not that long ago many leftists on this board were cheering for them.
    the friends of Obama and Liberals, have all been arrested for smashing windows in small businesses and looting

    Your regurgitation of class warfare and media spew

    your spelling [is] atrocious … Your statement is nothing but liberal propaganda like so many of the statements by liberals on this thread.

    the leftist rabble-rousers

    xring squawks

    send Obama goose-stepping back to Chicago

    the Dog-Eater-and-Chief

    I won’t mention your spelling of “filabuster” or “ineauality” oops, I just did

    LD, X, and Klu are an embarrassment for the left, and America as a whole. K

    When it comes to economic issues, they cannot hold a meaningful conversation.

    xring, take a break, your twitch is getting more pronounced with each comment.

    Lardnos, Queen of the Occupy Movement

    For years you have wallpapered, changing monikers and screaming party lines. Your hate of the Church, America, and your fellow man is nothing short of disgusting.

    you have no understanding of the terms class, honor, pride, duty

    messnbc

    you are a draft dodger

    The washed-up wedding singer

    kluwelesser came across as more of a Commie Pinko Liberal Feminazi Fighting for the rights of gay married terrorists to abort their illegal alien anchor babies.

    Nope, nothing new here. The wrong wing is still hurling insults instead of attempting adult conversation. Thanks for living down to my expectations.

  90. chile74 says:

    LD – Paul Kirk replaced Kennedy on Sept 25, 2009 and was Kennedy’s Democratic replacement until Scott Brown was sworn in in Feb, 2010. So there was a supermajority a longer time than just till 25 August. There was a supermajority for the time Franken was sworn in July 7 until Brown was sworn in except the days between Kennedy’s death and Paul Kirk taking the seat. It doesn’t change the facts that Kennedy didn’t make it back to the Senate. Got it?

    As I stated before, the Dems picked off a few Republicans to get their way early in 2009.

  91. RLangdon says:

    ehill, You know what they say… When they can’t refute the message they attack the messenger!

  92. kluwer says:

    One again the rightists have sunk to a new low of personal attacks, name calling and childish remarks.
    Happens every thread where they lose the argument….so every thread.

  93. Read this line very carefully….”If you can’t BE Donald Trump or one of the Koch Brothers, at least you can be on their side and FEEL superior to the Great Unwashed Masses.”

    The reality is this: It is the elite Left, including the billionaires whom no one seems to want to acknowledge on the left, who think they are superior to “the unwashed masses.” The president’s plans and policies are evidence of the belief that the masses need them in order to survive; that the great unwashed are so poor, pathetic and lacking in good sense and ability, the government must nanny them through their lives. If you can’t BE George Clooney and Brangelina, you can pretend to be in their circle of elitist pals who, make no mistake, want to hold fast to their millions and their mansions (all acquired via capitalist system) while making a lot of noise about advocating for the poor.

    Here’s the “line” Obama supporters want you to buy. They are going to sell it like there’s no tomorrow because they cannot help him win the election by pointing to actual accomplishments. “Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive.” That’s going to be their election year mantra? Anyone in the white house would have acted on the bin Laden intel; and of course GM is alive, thanks to a government handout.

    Both parties are responsible for the financial mess we are in. I am an independent voter, never registered with a party. However, I will vote for Romney because he is way closer to representing the America I believe in than his opponent. I’ve said it before and I will repeat it here…I believe Obama and his ilk want to transform this country into something akin to a Western European socialist realm. No thanks.

  94. LornaDoone says:

    “I am an independent voter, never registered with a party.”

    Then we are all independents in the State of Washington, sozo, because NO ONE registers by party in this state.

    Please say you didn’t teach civics or Washington State History.

    Aside from that little factoid, your rhetorical and partisanism on this thread tells me you are about as independent as Bill O’Reilly.

  95. LornaDoone says:

    “Anyone in the white house would have acted on the bin Laden intel; and of course GM is alive, thanks to a government handout.”

    Well, we had one in the White House that stipulated he didn’t think about Bin Laden. It’s tough to get intel when you don’t care.

    Thanks to a “government handout” (see FDR Administration) our country survived a financial debacle much worse than the one that started during the Bush Administration.

    It’s nice to see taxpayer money used for taxpayer needs, as opposed to handing it to Halliburton and others.

  96. “I am an independent voter, never registered with a party.”

    LOL!!!
    Yeah, we are buying that line soso, you are so very ‘independent’!
    LOL!

  97. frosty says:

    ehill, I’m flattered that you would quote me! Is there anyway to go national with this? We need all of the positive coverage we can get. (you can add this one to your library).

  98. frosty says:

    BTW, you’ve over looked some of my more inspiring comments, I’d appreciate a more thorough job next time.

  99. I didn’t vote in WA for the first twenty years of my voting life. There actually is life, and a reasonably sane world between the two coasts.

  100. CT7 – I have never posted under any name other than ‘xring’.

    And with my tendency to colorful spellings and usage it would be obvious if I was using multiple names.

    Islander –

    ‘In fact, that is one reason why a bill based on RECONCILIATION instructions cannot be filibustered”.

    Initial budget bills are not based on reconciliation, and thus can and have been filibustered and otherwise blocked by both parties.

    Before reconciliation can be used both houses must have passed bills.

    The most important thing the Reid Senate is doing is block republican social engineering and apocalyptic spend and tax bills.

    From the Constitution – ‘All bills raising Revenue shall originate in the House’

    Sozo – so close yet so far – had you dared to write a truthful post you would have said ‘righties’ amd Romney, and if you wanted to vote for America majority of America (we who are not elite or elect) you would vote for Obama.

    LD – we also have a wantabe that thinks the GM funds should have gone to the investors rather than be used to same the company, and that the funds should not have come from the government.

  101. Pacman33 says:

    “(see FDR Administration)”

    For what?

    Too see how to unnecessarily extend a major recession by prolonging it through the mindless meddling of government in the markets. Thus, stifling any and every opportunity for recovery, through adopting stagnating positions and policies that have been scavenged from the socialist grave yard. During a period in time when Communism held a heightened level of influence among some in the nation.

  102. Pacman33 says:

    “Before reconciliation can be used both houses must have passed bills.”

    When you type such incoherent fables, is there any kind of weird feeling in your gut as you go to hit ‘enter’? Does your wandering eye wander toward the ‘delete’ key? Is your intent to make society collevtively dumber as a whole?

    What language are you speaking to Lor Do? Feckleneese?

  103. “ehill, I’m flattered that you would quote me! Is there anyway to go national with this? We need all of the positive coverage we can get”

    ROFL – as soon as you earn positive coverage, you’ll get it.

  104. “When you type such incoherent fables, is there any kind of weird feeling in your gut as you go to hit ‘enter’? Does your wandering eye wander toward the ‘delete’ key? Is your intent to make society collevtively dumber as a whole?

    What language are you speaking to Lor Do? Feckleneese?”

    When you can’t refute the message, attack the messenger. Thanks for the very public admission that you don’t have the horsepower to refute the message.

  105. Pacman33 says:

    Hey ehill, do you know what they say?
    You will never guess.
    Give up?
    They say if you can’t refute the message, attack the messenger!
    Isn’t that a riot?

    Hey ehill, do you know what they say?
    Hey ehill ….. hey …. Guess what?

    Do you understand how creepy you appear to others?
    You obsessively troll these threads. Sifting through all the grown-up talky words that you’ve heard from adult caretakers and also your ‘feelings-doctor’, scouring these big boy conversations looking for anything that resembles an insult or an attack, sometimes neither. All in order to satisfy this autistic impulse to use your catch phrase.

    Sadly, you are unable to correlate the blatant contradiction of the central message of your repetitious “Rain-man” chant:
    You are suggesting that others are not able to respond with a substantive reply … in your eerie repetitious behavior that is clearly compensating for your inability to participate in the conversation with any form of substantive exchange. It’s spooky.

    But you know what they say ….. right?

  106. RLangdon says:

    Pacman, You are hardly one to be calling others on these blogs “creepy” or a “troll”. You qualify for both and more, far more than ehill does. In fact, you Pacman are in a class with the likes of LornaDoone!

  107. pacdude,

    Thanks for living down to my expectations.

  108. “You are suggesting that others are not able to respond with a substantive reply”

    Thanks for proving me right.

  109. Pacman33 says:

    “pacdude,
    Thanks for living down to my expectations.”

    If you can’t refute the message, attack the messenger!

  110. Pacman33 says:

    “Thanks for proving me right.”

    If you can’t refute the message, attack the messenger!

  111. RLangdon says:

    Is it PacmanDoone now?

  112. Pac-troll – you are too much right wing to understand reality.

  113. LornaDoone says:

    Langston…..if you only knew how badly Pacman wants to be me….

    Once upon a time a person needed an email address, but didn’t want to use their own name…..so……

  114. LornaDoone says:

    There is this woman that blogs out of Olympia that is big on the word “creepy”…..

    She would say that Pacman is “spazzing out’ on this thread.

  115. kluwer says:

    “There actually is life, and a reasonably sane world between the two coasts”

    But you being so ‘independent’ and all you would know that there is ‘life and a sane world’ on the coasts as well.
    You see the whole ‘left coast’ whine is strictly a right wing media construct.
    Only a brain washed rightist would ever think either coast has no ‘life’.

    Or were you being your hypocritical self when you tried to claim you were ‘independent’?

  116. Pacman33 says:

    x-ring adds to the wallpaper of Leftist hypocrisy –
    “you are too much right wing to understand reality.”

    That is pretty strong coming from someone who chooses to dwell on the farce of “income inequality”, at a time when there are so many legitimate economic issues to pick from. With those who have nothing to say, determining the same of others and trolls concluding the troll status of another, why not … right?

    Since it appears to be a common pastime, lets do some pretending. Lets pretend you attempted to refute my dismantling of the straw man that is “growing income inequality”. Lets pretend you were victorious in this attempt, successfully demonstrating that a trend of a widening gap in the disparity of American’s wealth did exist.
    So what?
    What are the negative effects of income “inequality”? Besides the petty envy of an irrational few, how does this harm the economy or you? Can you explain why this issue is relevant?

  117. Pacman33 says:

    I sure wish someone could teach me how another individual’s wealth somehow is capable of decreasing your’s or mine, simply by being … more. This new phenomenon could revolutionize the field of mathematics as we know it. One numerical value changing another without the two figures ever being computed, yet, input into an equation. Only the lower of the two figures is subject to this change and can only be decreased, never increased. This paradox transpires by simply the existence of the two numbers.

  118. Pacman33 says:

    The fact is numerous studies have attempted to identify some adverse impact of wealth ‘inequality’. Despite unfavorable effects being the objective of these studies, conclusions have been to the contrary. For example; the most reoccurring aspect of ‘income inequality’ is that it exists in a greater degree within nations that have the most stable and prosperous economies. While resulting in a lesser degree in poorer countries with weak economies. Further, the poor are better off with the least suffering in countries with the greatest income disparity compared to those with more equal outcomes.

    Within a single economy trends show that the growth for the lowest incomes increases when gap between incomes widens. Additionally, ‘inequality’ generally increases in times of prosperity, and decreases in periods of recession, as we see occurring now. By any measure, wealth disparity is lower than it was during the boom times of 2007. I know this is hard to believe but the New York Times looks at the data today and notes that the income share of the top 1% fell to 17% in 2009 from 23% in 2007. The average income of the one-percenters fell a surprising 32%, to $957,000 from $1.4 million.

  119. Pacman33 says:

    If you want to reduce inequality, all you need to do is put the economy in a recession. If you want the economy to do well, as all of us do, then you’ll get more inequality. Recessions are the only regular reducers of inequality. Though the current declines are temporary, they’ve had the desired effect for the Occupiers — a smaller gap between the 1% and the rest, but when the rich lost, the rest didn’t gain.

    Inequality is a necessary by product of economic growth. The only negative economic impact associated with a disparity in wealth is from government measures attempting to correct this result of prosperity. A result that hurts nothing except the feelings of the economic illiterate Left. In a rare time when average Americans are paying attention to the mostly boring factors of economics, the Left insists on taking it as just another opportunity to increase the nation’s ignorance as a whole.

  120. Pac
    Income inequality is the result of those other economic issues.

    I have addressed other issues when those issuers were the subject of, or germaine, to a thread.

    “attempt to defend you dismantling of my stawman . . .” why should I attempt to defend something you have failed to do?

    However, the first line of this post destroys and dismantles your false arguments.

    Teach you – why not do your own research and tell us how sending US jobs overseas improves the economy and decreases income inequality?

    Numerous studies = “I don’t have facts to back this up . . .”

    We are in a recession BECAUSE of income inequality! The middle and working classes no longer have disposable income to buy things and 85% of our normal economy is consumer spending by these two groups.

  121. Pacman33 says:

    “Income inequality is the result of those other economic issues.”
    “We are in a recession BECAUSE of income inequality!”

    Which one is it? You are contradicting your falsehoods with conflicting falsehoods. You can’t have it both ways. Is income ‘inequality’ a result OR a cause of a result? What are “those economic issues”?

    “I have addressed other issues when those issuers were the subject of, or germaine, to a thread.”

    English only please. I took a German course my junior year way back in the 90’s, but I can’t identify this language, yet understand what you’re talking about.

    “attempt to defend you dismantling of my stawman . . .” why should I attempt to defend something you have failed to do?”

    Don’t misquote me. I never said it was ‘your’ straw-man. That would be giving you credit for contriving the chimera of “increasing income equality”. That would be giving you credit for the CBO study done for tax policy research that desperate Demo-rats have shamelessly manipulated in the envy-mongering front of their campaign to divide Americans. All you did was misrepresent it further, with erroneous claims found nowhere in the study like: “The reason the poor get poorer,”

    “However, the first line of this post destroys and dismantles your false arguments.”

    Do you mean that strange “those other economic issues” line? The line referring to some mystery economic issues, that you went on to contradict with the first line of your last paragraph? Are you ok?

    “…. tell us how sending US jobs overseas improves the economy and decreases income inequality?”

    How does a result … cause a result? Huh? The loss of US jobs to outsourcing, foreign competitor buyouts and offshore operations is a RESULT of economic conditions, federal policy and US competitiveness in a global economy, not a CAUSE. This is not only a fact, it’s considered common knowledge that is so rudimentary, it is standard content taught in high school level Social Studies. If it were anyone else, I would ask if they meant to say something different, assuming they accidentally misspoke.

    Additionally, as I already explained; if something CAUSED the economy to improve, income ‘inequality’ would increase instead of decrease. Some of the more specific factors that have RESULTED in jobs being sent overseas would include NAFTA, Globalization, Radicalized Unions, NLRB and the highest corporate tax rate in the world.
    Obama agrees with the last one:
    “So tonight, I’m asking Democrats and Republicans to simplify the system. Get rid of the loopholes. Level the playing field. And use the savings to lower the corporate tax rate for the first time in 25 years – without adding to our deficit. It can be done.”
    –President Barack Obama, 2011 State of the Union Address
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhNQ57eb180
    I think he might of “borrowed” that idea …….

    “The middle and working classes no longer have disposable income to buy things and 85% of our normal economy is consumer spending by these two groups.”

    How does this correlate with inequality in any shape or form, whatsoever? To me it appears to be a result of us no longer being in “our normal economy” and in a recession instead. Why don’t you inform yourself and read something …… anything … please? I swear, I think I’m dumber now after reading your comment.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/25/business/25scene.html?ei=5090&en

    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1475-4991.1980.tb00175.x/abstract;jsessionid

  122. “English only, please

    Those who can, respond like adults. Those who can’t, criticize the language, spelling, and/or grammar.

  123. kluwer says:

    Can anyone point to a conservative economic idea that has worked?
    One that has bettered the nation….even a little? How about one that reduced spending a shrank the Govt.?
    Anyone?

  124. kluwer says:

    “If you want to reduce inequality, all you need to do is put the economy in a recession.”

    LOL!
    Pacman is so brainwashed and clueless she thinks that statement is true!
    Pac, you do know we are in the greatest recession in 80 years and income inequality is at the greatest level it has EVER been…don’t you?

    Yet another illustration of how the conservatives know NOTHING about economics!

  125. RLangdon says:

    PacDoone33, You should be aware that shere volume of words will not win you your case. In fact, your horrendously extensive screeds are probably never read by anyone as they are too long and boring. Quantity does not make up for lack of quality in your posts. Try to be a little more succinct!

  126. kluwer says:

    Or at least try and make sense.

  127. Pacman33 says:

    Wow, Kluweless …….
    You are truly clueless. What do you have against being informed?
    Where do you get your information? You have no kluwe what you’re talking about. You obviously haven’t clicked on a single link I have provided.
    Or have you, but just don’t understand what their saying? Muck doesn’t.
    Has public education failed us this bad?

    Inequality today, by any measure, is lower than it was during the boom times of 2007. It is a fact inequality, has temporally decreased in every recession from the Great Depression, 1979 Recession, 1991 savings and loans, dot com bubble in 2001 and again today in the Great Recession.

  128. Pacman33 says:

    The most recent data from the IRS and Federal Reserve show that income inequality was lower in 2009 than it was in 1995. The top 1% of earners held 16.93% of the nation’s income in 2009. In 1998, their share was 18.47%.

    The New York Times looks at the data today and notes that the income share of the top 1% fell to 17% in 2009 from 23% in 2007. The average income of the one-percenters fell a surprising 32%, to $957,000 from $1.4 million.

    According to the IRS, people making more than $500,000 accounted for 27% of the nation’s income in 2007. In 2009, the latest year available, their share fell by nearly half, to 14%, due largely to income declines at the top.

    Those making $200,000 saw a similar decline. In 2007, they accounted for 41% of the nation’s income. By 2009, their share had shrunk to 26% — the same level it was in 2000.

    Inequality today, by any measure, is lower than it was during the boom times of 2007, as historically occurs in times of a recession. The income gap has declined since 2007 and wealth inequality is actually lower than it was in 1995.

  129. “You are truly clueless. What do you have against being informed?
    Where do you get your information? You have no kluwe what you’re talking about.”

    Ahem. Message – messenger. Ring any bells?

    Oh, and by the way. Nice job of plagiarizing the Wall Street Journal. http://blogs.wsj.com/wealth/2011/12/20/americans-not-as-worried-about-the-rich-poor-gap/

  130. Pac,
    Please explain how with the current level of unemployment coupled with record corporate profits and tax rates the income inequality is narrowing

    Ehill – I think Pac also bowdlerized his data.

  131. Pacman33 says:

    eWeasehill conveniently truncates –
    “You are truly clueless. What do you have against being informed?
    Where do you get your information? You have no kluwe what you’re talking about.”

    Whats is the next sentence that follows Sherlock?
    “You obviously haven’t clicked on a single link I have provided.”

    What a coincidence. Excerpts from the links I listed that you deluded envymongers refuse to explore out of some deep dark fear of being informed.

    If you can’t refute the message, resort to spineless acts deception.

  132. Pacman33 says:

    Here, let me really dumb it down for you brainiacs:

    Guess which European nation has the least ‘income inequality’?
    ?
    ?
    ?
    Greece.

  133. “eWeasehill”

    Thanks once again for living down to my expectations. Plagiarism and name-calling. How adult.

  134. “Guess which European nation has the least ‘income inequality’?

    Here’s a clue for you, Pacdude. When you make something up, you should at least try to make it something that isn’t so easy to disprove.

    Higher numbers indicate more inequality:
    Albania: 5.2
    Austria: 6.9
    Greece: 10.2
    France: 9.1
    Germany: 6.9
    Hungary: 5.5
    Croatia: 7.3
    Czech Republic: 5.2
    Denmark: 8.1
    Ireland: 9.4
    Italy: 11.6
    Netherlands: 9.2
    Norway: 6.1
    Poland: 8.8
    Portugal: 15.0
    Romania: 7.5
    Slovakia: 6.5
    Spain: 10.3
    Switzerland: 25.1
    UK: 13.8
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_income_equality

  135. United States 15.9

  136. Pacman33 says:

    LOL, I don’t think so dude.
    That’s too funny.
    According to you guys the only relevant time period of measure is the 80’s to the start of the current economic crisis. The only relevant measurement, according to you, is amount of ‘inequality’ increased/decreased. Obviously not my rules, as you guys won’t acknowledge anything I’ve put forward, only your precious CBO study that shows demographic changes in households more realistically than any income trend.

    LOL, of coarse until the numbers no longer say what you want. How hilarious, I figured your choice in time frame was a no brainer. It makes me wonder if you people buy the junk you peddle, after this? You know you’re full of it don’t you? All of you are only pretending to be duped Progs, I just know it.
    Here let me play your little game. I will reword it and play along:

    Which European country recorded the biggest decrease in inequality between 1985 and 2008?
    `
    That would be Greece.

  137. Pacman33 says:

    ehill contradicts himself –
    “Thanks once again for living down to my expectations. Plagiarism and name-calling. How adult.”

    Thanks once again for modeling the virtue of hypocrisy so well. Way to partake in the very action you chastise. You start off by suggesting I’m some kind of a failure or loser. You then go on to label me immature and childish. You even manage to accuse me of being a thief, projecting to advance a fib that obviously was an act of plagiarism, cowardice and manipulation in of your own action. Plain for all to see.

  138. “You start off by suggesting I’m some kind of a failure or loser.” — I said no such thing. The only instances of the word “failure” come your your pals, applied to the President. The word “loser” doesn’t appear here. Given the total absence of those words, maybe it’s time to start discussing another word – paranoia.

    “You then go on to label me immature and childish.” — Based on your comments, I’d say I was being generous.

    “You even manage to accuse me of being a thief” — The word “thief” doesn’t occur anywhere in this thread either. See what I mean about being immature and childish?

  139. “According to you guys the only relevant time period of measure is the 80′s to the start of the current economic crisis.” — Please be so kind as to point out where I said any such thing. Bet you can’t.

    “of coarse until the numbers no longer say what you want” — Here’s another clue for you. When you incessantly attack others for their spelling and grammar, it only makes you look like a fool when you don’t know the difference between “coarse” and “course”.

    “You know you’re full of it don’t you?” — And you complained about being labeled as immature and childish?

    “Which European country recorded the biggest decrease in inequality between 1985 and 2008? That would be Greece.” — Plagiarized word-for-word from here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/obamas-simplistic-view-of-income-inequality/2011/12/19/gIQAeVmR5O_story.html

    pla·gia·rism [pley-juh-riz-uhm, -jee-uh-riz-]
    noun
    1. an act or instance of using or closely imitating the language and thoughts of another author without authorization and the representation of that author’s work as one’s own, as by not crediting the original author. Synonyms: appropriation, infringement, piracy, counterfeiting; theft, borrowing, cribbing, passing off.

  140. RLangdon says:

    pacplagiarizerman33?

  141. And he ran away…

  142. Pacman33 says:

    You two aren’t familiar with what many call facts and statistics.
    I know … You are wondering; ‘What are those things?’

    Well, they’re what decent and truthful individuals use to support statements and positions. You may have met these kind of people before.
    The trick with facts and statistics is, if you change change them, any part of them, they no longer are facts or accurate statistics. They become what forms the composition of your typical ignorant contributions. Erroneous fabrications, dysfunctional emotions and misguided opinions.
    Example:
    The U.S. Flag has 50 stars.
    In your perverted contention, this would be considered ‘plagiarism’ because it’s been used before, word-for-word. Who would I credit it to? If I were to make a change like ‘The Russian flag has 50 stars’ it becomes a falsehood. If I altered it to say ‘The country Michelle Obama is finally proud of for the first time’s flag has 57 stars.’ I would be as ignorant as our president.

    Same principal applies to:
    Which European country recorded the biggest decrease in inequality between 1985 and 2008? That would be Greece.

    What and why would you change with this statement and have it still be accurate? ‘Which Asian country ….. Greece?’ or ‘Which European nation recorded the … smallest … decrease ..’?

    Your attempt to suggest I’m a thief, again, is pathetic. But at least it exposes how little substance you bring to the table. Someone who even occasionally mixed a fact or two into their comments would understand this much. You can’t even get you desperate, false accusations right, posting the wrong link that you insinuate I stole from. It came from:
    http://www.openmarket.org/2011/12/21/fairness-and-the-totalitarian-impulse/
    Google it and you get 3 pages of links where it’s used. Besides, this context, repeating a statistic in news comment forum that’s been used many times, is night and day compared to taking another’s creative work to gain revenue or recognition. I think most conservatives are like myself in the opinion that, as long as someone isn’t using it for personal gain, have at it. The more-the better, because every time a conservative perspective can be incorporated in the mix to engage the leftist bias of the media, academia and unionism, only favorable effects could possibly occur.

  143. pla·gia·rism [pley-juh-riz-uhm, -jee-uh-riz-]
    noun
    1. an act or instance of using or closely imitating the language and thoughts of another author without authorization and the representation of that author’s work as one’s own, as by not crediting the original author. Synonyms: appropriation, infringement, piracy, counterfeiting; theft, borrowing, cribbing, passing off.

    Pacplagiarizer: “Which European country recorded the biggest decrease in inequality between 1985 and 2008? That would be Greece.”

    Source: “Which European country recorded the biggest decrease in inequality between 1985 and 2008? That would be Greece.”

    Of you don’t like being accused of plagiarism, here’s a clue: quit plagiarizing.

  144. “Wow. What a couple of complete lunatics.

    Taking the high road once again, eh? LOL

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