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GOP: Obama ‘owns’ economy but not killing bin Laden?

Letter by Kerry Phibbs, South Hill on May 1, 2012 at 9:49 am with 98 Comments »
May 1, 2012 9:55 am

Re: “Obama rejects political ad criticism” (TNT, 5-1).

Congressional Republicans want Obama to “own” this economic situation that they created and have been fighting all reasonable solutions to fix.

But they don’t want him to own stopping the fall of the economy into a depression or saving the auto industry and keeping those thousands of jobs and true trickle-down jobs associated with that industry. Nor do they want him to own the climb out of the recession.

And they especially don’t want him to own finding and getting Osama bin Laden after they let him get away. Nor do they want to own putting us in Iraq for no rational reason, getting 4,000-plus Americans killed; 50,000 seriously wounded; wasting billions of dollars; or the 1 million-plus Iraqis dead, missing and displaced.

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  1. Obama did as much as my five-year-old granddaughter to find OBL, and she approved taking him out before Obama did. So much for owning “finding and getting Osama bin Laden.”

  2. Yet another left winger spouting crap. Bin Laden was handed on a silver platter to Bill Clinton (a democrat) but good ole Bill said BL just couldn’t be a threat to our country so he let him leave our country to reap havoc. Please get your story straight before sharing this lie. O’bama only gave to order to kill Bin Laden which any president in office would have done. It is just too bad it took 10 years to find the terrorist. O’bama is the worst president ever and even makes poor old Jimmy Carter look good.

  3. Darlin I can name two would-be presidents who flatly stated they would not have ordered what Obama ordered. H. Clinton, in her bid for president, stated she would never go into Pakistani territory to get Bin Laden without agreement, cooperation and participation by the Pakistanis.

    Romney made it even more clear that he would not go after Bin laden on pakistani territory or anywhere, for that matter, and the media all over the place are showing the tapes of him saying exactly that. He also said it just wasn’t worth the time or money to go after Bin Laden.

    If you want a president ready to make some tough decisions, then don’t pick one like Romney who flip flops on issues like this and then lies about it to cover it up.

  4. Well Kerry what do you expect?
    What does the GOP have to stand on, their record?
    The only way they have ever won an election is to tear down the other guy.
    I dare anyone to show me a republican campaign that was clean, fair and had something substantial in the way of ideas and plans.

    Just look at the way the rightists treat others here! No a single one offers anything, only childish attacks.

  5. “Bin Laden was handed on a silver platter to Bill Clinton”

    Amazing how a right wing lie like this never seems to go away.

  6. sumyungboi says:

    Leftist talking points.

    1) Obama promised to fix the economy, he hasn’t.

    2) We are in a depression.

    3) The auto industry would have re-structured under normal bankruptcy and survived, the bailout was a favor to big labor.

    4) Obama didn’t find or “get” bin Laden, and he did get credit for making the decision for others to do so. Now, however, he seems to think he’s the only president to ever make a “tough” decision, exemplifying the narcissistic little world he lives in.

  7. sumyungboi says:

    tuddo, you might try reading Romney’s entire comment for context before you parrot leftist talking points.

  8. slugoxyz says:

    Kluwer – Not a lie. OBL was located and we had the ability to terminate him back in 1995 but were denied authorization by the Clinton administration. So… you can call it a lie but you’d be lying.

  9. sumyungboi, actually I was not parroting leftist talking points, I was agreeing with John McCain who attacked Romney’s remarks at the time saying that bin laden was relatively unimportant and he “would not move heaven and earth to get him”.

    McCain retorted, “it takes a degree of naiveté to think he’s [bin Laden] not an element in the struggle against radical Islam.”

    Romney is just now saying, of course, he would have gone after him. If that is the context you are talking about, it is one presidential election cycle too late.

  10. Romney (and Hillary) attacked Obama during the 2008 campaign for saying “if we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won’t act, we will.”

    Romney hit back hard against Obama for that, saying “I do not concur in the words of Barack Obama in a plan to enter an ally of ours… I don’t think those kinds of comments help in this effort to draw more friends to our effort.”

    The Fox News word of the day for Obama after Obama’s remarks was “insane”. Republicans eviscerated Obama for that remark. Now, they are trying to rewrite history. It won’t work, no matter how much apologists like you and others say Romney was misunderstood.

  11. Velmak – which president disbanded the cia unit tracking OBL, and which one reactivated it?

    Darling – history will tell but for now W was a far worse president.

    Kulmer – nor can the righties offer any proof. But then is that not their standard tactic.

    1. The do-nothing republicans in congress get a large part of the credit for both creating our economic mess and for blocking any rational attempt to improve it.

    2. Under the republican backed ‘normal bankruptcy’ all funds would have gone to pay of the fat cat investors and the company would have been forced to shut down.

    3. re OBL -see my comment to velmak above.

    Slug – we were not at war in 1995, and the then current law prohibited political assassination.

  12. The letter writer states the Republicans created the “economic situation” and have been fighting all reasonable solutions to fix it.

    The Democrats took control of the House and Senate in January, 2007 when the unemployment rate was 4.6%. That is the same time Barney Frank took over the House Financial Services Committee and Chris Dodd took over the Senate Banking Committee. Not so coincidentally, the economic problems that occured 15 months later were in Banking and Financial Services.

    Because there was a Republican President in 2008, does not mean the sole responsibilty of the financial crisis lies with the Republicans. There is plenty of blame to be shared by both parties for these issues. And, if Democrats were now serious about solving the current financial problems, the Senate would pass a budget, something they haven’t done in three years.

  13. sumyungboi says:

    tuddo, so what you’re saying, is that you don’t want to read Romney’s comments for context, but rather slide in the “I agree with McCain ..” line so as to not appear to independents as the flaming lib that you are. Yeah .. You’re probably not racist either, cuz you have a black friend.

  14. sumyungboi, stop pyutting words into my mouth or Romney’s. I saw the video of what he actually said, including all of the context. He is only now adding shades of context that hyou believe were there and weren’t at the time. I read his words, word for word.

    Please quote me the words in those two incidencess that changed the meaning of what the sentences he uttered actually said. “Context” means that there were actually other words spoken that negagted what he actually said or perhaps visual clues such as crossing his fingers to show he was not really saying what he meant?

    You need to rinse some of that brainwashing out of your head.

  15. BlaineCGarver says:

    Yes, Klewer, ‘Crats run such pristine and honest political races…..

  16. Pacman33 says:

    “would not move heaven and earth to get him”.
    Romney made it even more clear that he would not go after Bin laden.

    What a mindless lunatic.

  17. BlaineCGarver says:

    Whoever: when BinLadin was found it was clear that Wack-O-Stan had been hiding him….he would have been an idiot not to support taking him out. He can have that, but he damn sure owns the crappy economy too.

  18. Blaine, exactly, Romney would have been wiser, if he was courting the middle, to let Obama have a few days of fun and then hit him hard on the economy.

    But, Romney knew he could make a flippant remark and have all of the anti-Obama slobbering sycophants along with Fox repeating those flippant Jimmy Carter remarks over and over.

    Romney needs to make a turn away from such stuff that pelases huis abse. He’s already got them. he needs to explain to the independents and moderates what his real, new, current governing agenda and style will be.

    Unfortunately there is a tasty smorgasbord of quotes and videos that can be shown to counter his current self with a past version of himself.

    With Santorum we at least would have known we were getting version 1.02 instead of wondering what version of Windows we were getting, the stable version or the one that will crash repeatedly.

  19. sumyungboi says:

    tuddo: “He is only now adding shades of context ..”


    Romney, 5/4/2007:

    “We’ll move everything to get him. But I don’t want to buy into the Democratic pitch that this is all about one person — Osama bin Laden — because after we get him, there’s going to be another and another ..”

    Seems you’re just another leftist spreading mis-information.

  20. sumyungboi, I asked you to provide the context for the two incidents I cited. You couldn’t do it, could you?

    Romney in your much later quote was responding to McCain’s criticism and held tight to his statement that he would not go into Pakistan after bin Laden if Pakistan objected.

    It just proves my point, which version of Romney can you believe? He will tell each audience whatever they want to hear.

    If the raid had been unsuccessful, I am sure he would have quoted huimself as saying that he told Obama that we should not have gone after him.

    You and Romney and many others have the Obama derangement syndrome. Obama for it, Romney must be against (until called out for a stupid remark by McCain like he made).

  21. concernedtacoma7 says:

    BHO waited 6+ months to act. Every political and military effect was calculated. Predicting how one would act without the context and knowledge is petty at a minimum, but basically dishonest.

    Every American would pull the trigger if given the chance.

    Using it as prop now is classless. Not giving the real credit to Bush, the tactics he vowed to end, and the warriors is classless. Violating the sectrets that keep the warriors safe is wrong on a whole different level.

  22. sumyungboi says:

    tuddo: “He is only now adding shades of context ..”

    To which I blew up your contention with fact. You then tried to change the subject, as do all nice little leftists.

  23. menopaws says:

    The day after the raid in Pakistan, Republicans were tripping over each other to make it to the microphones and take credit for what happened. In the land of the useless and impotent, the big lie is more important than anything else. Watching Dick Cheney talking about his “enchanced interrogation” techniques, also known as TORTURE, John McCain and Lindsay Graham talking about George Bush making it possible………..The ability of Republican to humiliate themselves knows NO bounds. It’s really kind of pathetic, but they are the masters of the big lie and also whine with the best of pre-schoolers………Now, they are insulted over Obama politicizing this………Here is a memory for all of you—George Bush,Jr., in a flight suit, walking across the deck of an aircraft carrier, beneath a HUGE banner:”MISSION ACCOMPLISHED”……..And, that wasn’t political theater????? I think Obama is doing a victory lap because, it was a huge risk, it worked and here’s the biggest and best: he didn’t have to negotiate with those morons in Congress to make it happen…….So, you guys have your stupid banner—Obama got the job done……That will make the history books—-your banner will always give comics a balloon to pop!!

  24. sumyungboi says:

    menopaws: “Republicans were tripping over each other to make it to the microphones and take credit for what happened.”

    Is that what you remember happened? Or is that what you remember the KOS saying? Seems to me that just about everyone was giving the guy credit for a good decision.

    This is the problem with leftists, with the news media, TV, and Hollywood almost completely left, they aren’t exposed to anything except leftism if they so choose. Those on the right actually have to _seek out_ alternative viewpoints, making them, of course, more politically astute, as a recent poll found.

  25. CT7,
    The dishonesty is FlipFlop Romney who was against it before he was for it.

    What secrets did Obama let out?

    Who outted a long term, covert cia operative, for political reasons?

    Menopaw – Obama is also staking out a claim the he, and not the republicans, has the stronger foreign police and can be trusted to handle the 3am phone call.

  26. sumyungboi, you still haven’t provided the context you said was there.

    I ask you again to try to negate what I quoted, which you said was taken out of context.

    “Please quote me the words in those two incidencess that changed the meaning of what the sentences he uttered actually said.”

    Romney said he would not have gone into the territory of an ally, and he never changed his statement. Never. So, until his Carter statement he had never provided any “context” that you said was there.

    He did later flip flop on his statement about not wasting resources to go after bin Laden, but that was not the decision Obama had to make. He had to decide about going into Pakistan, an ally, which Romney refused to do.

    Only now is he saying that any president would have made the same decision. Only now.

  27. kluwer says:

    “OBL was located and we had the ability to terminate him back in 1995″

    Total lie and it us still amazing how many sheep believe it.

  28. kluwer says:

    “Not giving the real credit to Bush”

    The failure bush deserves no credit, none what so ever.

  29. LornaDoone says:

    Obama: “After a firefight they killed bin Laden.”

    Bush: “I really don’t spend that much time on him”

    Romney: “It’s not worth moving heaven and earth and spending billions of dollars just trying to catch one person. It is worth fashioning and executing an effective strategy to defeat global, violent Jihad and I have a plan for doing that.”


    So, based on facts, here is what we know.

    1. Obama was Commander in Chief, leader of the miliary when Bin Laden was assassignated.

    2. George Bush wasn’t interested.

    3. Romney has 20/20 hindsight and always could do what anyone else already has done. Amazing how a one term governor is so adept at military execution.

    4. Clinton was NOT handed Bin Laden on a silver platter and if he was, there were no charges to level against Bin Laden at the time.

    Can the conservatives PLEASE quit making crap up?

    Especially thenotsoyunggirl

  30. LornaDoone says:

    make that “assassinated”

  31. chile74 says:

    Kerry – another blame Bush letter? Obama was supposed to fix the economy. How’s that hope and change working for you? It’s not working for millions of Americans.

    tuddo – why don’t you stop the nonsense. Sum is right. The left and the newspapers have been taking Romney’s words out of context all the time. The liberal journalists want Obama to win.

    xring – police? – you mean “policy”?

    kluwer – Clinton had 3 chances to kill Bin Laden and he didn’t do it – that’s from Dick Morris. I’ll take Morris’ word over yours. Bush’s interrogation techniques got the information that initially led to finding Bin Laden. No credit?

  32. LornaDoone says:

    Chile – Obama did fix the economy. Take a look at the stock market on January 20, 2009 and then look at today. Don’t you people ever research your comments prior to making them? The hope and change is working real well for anyone that was holding stock on January 20, 2009.

    How do you take Romney’s words out of context on a video?

    Dick Morris is your source on Clinton? Oh my gawd! LOL Ol’d Dicky boy has no resentments with Bill Clinton, right?

  33. chile74 says:

    LD – “would you quit making up crap?”

    1. Everyone has given Obama credit for killing Bin Laden.
    2. Waterboarding got the information that lead to more information that later lead to Bin Laden.
    3. Just your opinion. Romney or anybody would have said “yes” to the mission.
    4. As if the CIA needed charges to take out a known terrorist and how do you know what intelligence they had? You don’t. I’ll take the word of Dick Morris who was in the White House in 1995.

    Finally, who is putting out the baloney? Fact check? – I have found it to lean liberal.

  34. LornaDoone says:

    You know who should be thanking Obama for the “Hope and Change” of the stock market?

    Mitt Romney

    “Bush’s interrogation techniques got the information that initially led to finding Bin Laden.”


    Now there’s some interrogation. “Hey, Bin Laden, I don’t care about you!”

  35. LornaDoone says:

    “Fact check? – I have found it to lean liberal.”

    How can a FACT lean to one side or the other. A FACT is a FACT. Just because you don’t like it doesn’t make it less a FACT.

    As to Dick Morris…..LOL

    Here’s something else Dick said…. http://www.wnd.com/2003/06/19262/

    You and CT7 make a heck of a “pair”.

  36. sandblower says:

    With the extreme rightwing nutcases represented here it is not worth commenting. Nothing of value can come of it.

  37. LornaDoone says:

    In the interview, Romney also:

    Said the country would be safer by only “a small percentage” and would see “a very insignificant increase in safety” if al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden was caught because another terrorist would rise to power. “It’s not worth moving heaven and earth spending billions of dollars just trying to catch one person,” Romney said. Instead, he said he supports a broader strategy to defeat the Islamic jihad movement.

    That’s from politifact. What’s wrong with them?

    If you look on Youtube, you’ll find clips of several FOX people skewering Romney for his flipflopping….but it’s the liberal media’s fault. LOL

    Morris went on to become campaign manager of Bill Clinton’s successful 1996 bid for re-election to the office of President. His tenure on that campaign was cut short two months before the election, when it was revealed that he had allowed a prostitute to listen in on conversations with the President.

    Now THERE is trustworthy. You have to believe that guy!!! I wonder what he’d share with Al Queda operatives for a little roll in the hay.

  38. chile74 says:

    LD – “The economy is fixed”. The stock market is not a true measurement of how the economy is doing. The GDP is and the GDP is still weak. Millions of people are out of work and millions of homeowners have either lost their homes or are way under water. Oh yeah, the economy is fixed. Maybe you should research that one.

    Do you honestly believe Romney would not kill Bin Laden if given the chance? That’s what all of the drawn out debate was all about.

    Morris is a smart guy. I dislike Clinton too. He is a draft dodger, a liar and a philanderer. You don’t have the smarts of Morris, LD. Nice try. And I don’t need to research it.

  39. chile74, sumyungboi couldn’t provide the context that changed the meaqning of what Romney said, so perhaps you could provide the context. Remember, this is about his two quotes that I presented, not later whitewashing. Context means things surrounding the actual statements, not later changes.

  40. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Tuddo, do you honestly feel Mitt would not have ordered the raid?

  41. hansgruber says:

    OBL died on Sept 11th 2001. It would matter who the President of the US when he actuall was killed, he signed his death warrant on Sept 11th.

  42. chile;
    1. credit obamafor OBL – except for the republicons who claim bush should get the credit.
    2. waterboading – yelled zero actional intellagence.
    3. Romney would have said yes – after running for 4 years saying he would not.
    4. cia needed carges – yes, from the white house, bush would, obama did.
    baloney such a mild word to discribe what you put out.

    a. GDP and is still weak because repulicons aided big business to send US jobs overseas.
    b. millions are out of work – because repulicons aided big business to send US jobs overseas.
    c. millions of homes underwater due to deregulation of wall street and credit lenders by a republicon controlled congress and a former republicon president.
    d.would romney kill OBL – no he would not – OBL is dead.
    e. draft dodger, liar and philanderer – fits many current and past prominant repulicon and conseracons leaders.

    CT7 – would mitt pull the trigger – how can it be a deflection when it was brought up by mittens and company.

  43. concerned, not in Pakistan without the approval and support of the Pakistani government. He made that stipulation very clear.

    If we have a person in the presidency that only thinks about it after the fact like Romney did, then that person is not a leader. Obama announced his goals from the start of his campaign, was attacked for it, but stood by them, and they proved correct. He said he would have a focused approach on bin Laden and al Qaida and not a world war where America was the police department for the universe.

    (Of course Grover Norquist said Republicans don’t want a president that is a leader, they just want a follower who can sign whatever a Republican Congress hands him.)

    I think Romney would have continued the nebulous and unfocused “Global war on Terror” of George Bush rather than honing in on al Qaida and bin Laden.

  44. menopaws says:

    UNlike most of you on the right—I watched the news the day after the raid. No talking points–Just McCain and Graham talking about how Bush laid the groundwork, Condeleeza Rice on the Today doing the same thing……I changed the channel when Cheney, the war criminal showed up. For the next two days, they did Face the Nation, Meet the Press and every chance they could, they did CNN and Fox. Propaganda is VERY hard work………And, the big lie is all they’ve got. Bin Laden was living in Pakistan for SIX YEARS—Obama had been President for only two of those years………..He and Panetta made it a priority and used better intelligence resources and frankly, didn’t torture anyone……….Bush and company were far tooo busy trying to clean up the HUGE mess they created in Iraq to waste resources on bin Laden. Those oil revenues to “pay” for their adventure never panned out, did they? So, this isn’t some “lefty” fantasy—pure facts…..Read Time magazine this week—lots of other goodies…..Like the fact that President Obama called the Prime Minister of Pakistan after he scrambled F-18’s into the air over Pakistan. told him about the raid, told him if his military intervened, he would level that city…….This man said he would get him and he did. He kept his word…..Still looking for those WMD in Iraq, fellas?. Real guts doesn’t involve making excuses on television—it’s getting the job done and cleaning up the mess of the incompetent you replaced.

  45. kluwer says:

    “Clinton had 3 chances to kill Bin Laden and he didn’t do it – that’s from Dick Morris.”

    dick morris is well known and habitual liar.
    Only fools and idiots believe a word he says.

  46. kluwer says:

    “Bush’s interrogation techniques got the information that initially led to finding Bin Laden. No credit?”

    He gets no credit because torture gave us nothing useful, it never has and never will.

  47. Bandito says:

    We can never know what Romney would have done. We can only know what he said he would not do and then what he said he would have done. We know what Obama did and that Romney said that he would have done the same thing. For Romney to agree with Obama’s course of action, in an election year, speaks volumes. The GOP has nothing.

  48. averageJoseph says:

    Obama gets credit for both. Not sure how getting Obama somehow glosses over his terrible economy tho.

  49. averageJoseph says:

    Schucks Chuck… I just had a Joe Biden moment. I meant “getting Osama”.

    btw… if Bush had got him, does anyone think the left would be calling b.s. on it due to lack of a body?

  50. menopaws says:

    I would applaud him if he got the job done. And, I do applaud him for all the work he did combatting AIDS in Africa, the fact that he was right about Homeland Security (it’s a mess and the Secret Service belongs back at Treasury)….The difference between us “lefties” is we can acknowledge the achievements of people in both parties. Republican regard anyone who doesn’t agree with them as pure enemy…..And, frankly, the way they have treated this President is just shameful. Disagree with his policies, but don’t bad mouth him on a trip to see our troops. Applaud him for a job well done getting Bin Laden……..Why are people in this party so damn mean????? I am an American first, Democrat second. They should try that some time. Patriotism is much more rewarding than name calling and mean.

  51. Obamas singular arguement to anything is-“Well it would have been worse without what I I I I I I I I I I did”….lol, had the automakers been able to file a Chapter 11 re-organization, the onerous union agreements could have been re-negotiated. Obama simply paid off his union handlers with the automotive bailout.

    For Obama to attempt to argue that any other leader wouldn’t have taken out Osama Bin Laden is narcissistic to the core. It’s sick and twisted. Romney said it best-Yes, Obama should take credit for ordering the raid, and for Seal Team 6 getting OBL under his leadership. But Obama has such a high opinion of himself, he can’t just leave it at that. He needs to theorize about how his decisions are on a higher plane than anyone else’s.

    We need Mitt-he’s not quite as big a liberal as Obama, but he also can and will turn this economy around. Obamas decisions have driven us further into “the ditch”. He is a socialist and he readily admits it!!

  52. LornaDoone says:

    “concernedtacoma7 says:
    May 1, 2012 at 8:50 pm Tuddo, do you honestly feel Mitt would not have ordered the raid?”

    We are now qualifying people on what the “would have” done?

    Hillary Clinton would have made every American a millionaire and created world peace…..or is it whirled peas?

    According to “TMell” (nice to see we are recycling) Mitt can make the stock market go up even more than Obama did for him. Wonderful.

  53. ““We’ll move everything to get him. But I don’t want to buy into the Democratic pitch that this is all about one person — Osama bin Laden”

    Really? Which Democrats ever said it was all about one person?

  54. “The stock market is not a true measurement of how the economy is doing. The GDP is and the GDP is still weak”

    The GDP has been up for eleven consecutive quarters.

  55. LornaDoone says:

    “Obamas singular arguement to anything is-”Well it would have been worse without what I I I I I I I I I I did”….”

    Obama has no argument, just the truth that the action he took saved the automotive industry. The auto industry agrees.

    Romney already said what action he would have taken….AND he told us the outcome. Amazing crystal ball work.

  56. LornaDoone says:

    Uh oh….ehill and LornaDoone both posted at 8:20 am.

    There goes a FINE theory flushed down the VOX

  57. LornaDoone says:

    “The stock market is not a true measurement of how the economy is doing.”

    Tell that to Romney and the others making millions from it’s performance.

  58. The oft-repeated lie that “Clinton was handed bin Laden on a spoon” was originated by the government of the Sudan, a country that our own State Department has branded as harboring terrorists. And repeated by the wrong wing, who apparently believe that “the enemy of my enemy is my friend”.

    My question is why are the wrong wingnuts repeating the propaganda of a country that harbors terrorists?

  59. Vox and CT7: when one of them drinks water, the other one can’t talk. ;-)

  60. menopaws says:

    T Mell–the auto unions made HUGE concessions to keep the plants open……..that’s a fact—took cuts in benefits, reduced their pension plans………don’t you ever read the paper???Likewise, please remember that “union handlers” and Wall Street bankers are both out for their piece of the action and have their own agenda. Guess it depends on whether you will enjoy another Wall street meltdown or a better built car!!!!!!

  61. sumyungboi says:

    This is what’s annoying about the TNT, I read this thread this morning to find that my last comment had been deleted. Nothing offensive, I simply pointed out that tuddo was lying, I had proved that. But because the left can’t survive without lying, they have to do what they can to stop others from telling the truth. So much for their love of free speech. I’m not sure if some leftist moderator deleted the comment, or, more likely, tuddo or one of the other prog leftists that frequent this place couldn’t stand to have their narrative shot down with fact and flagged my comment with a complaint, but it does exemplify the far left’s hatred of honest debate.

  62. Poor Baby

  63. LornaDoone says:

    How’s the old saying go? If you don’t like it in America, move to another country.

    Well, if you don’t like a website…

    Leftist moderator. LOL

    Conservative’s honest debate: “Liar, liar pants on fire.”

  64. hansgruber says:

    hansgruber says:
    May 1, 2012 at 9:15 pm OBL died on Sept 11th 2001. It would matter who the President of the US when he actuall was killed, he signed his death warrant on Sept 11th.

    Correction: ….It would NOT matter who the President of US is when OBL was actually killed,…..

  65. Classless and unpresidential for the president to use this as a political tool. The Navy SEALS should have been in the spotlight, but as usual Barry has made it about himself.

    It’s folly to think that anyone in the oval office would have made any other decision than the one Pres. Obama made given the information he had at the moment. Be honest and be real and move on to something else LIKE the economic mess we are in.

  66. LornaDoone says:

    “Classless and unpresidential for the president to use this as a political tool. The Navy SEALS should have been in the spotlight, but as usual Barry has made it about himself.”

    Oh my! It’s time to use the “liar, liar, pants on fire” technique.


    Conservatives have a bad case of selective memory.

  67. LornaDoone says:

    “Classless and unpresidential for the president to use this as a political tool.”


  68. sumyungboi, I never saw the post where you said I was lying. I just refute those kinds of statements with facts. No need to mark it as anything. Let others decide how they want to view the post and who said it.

    Some people don’t like my sometimes tedious and long-winded arguments. That’s fine, they don’t have to read them. I don’t usually make snide come-back remarks. I’m more out for searching for information, facts, truth and reasonable arguments than drunken bar conversations.

    Your conspiracy theory about me taking it down is just that.

  69. LornaDoone says:

    “Classless and unpresidential for the president to use this as a political tool.”


  70. LornaDoone says:

    “Correction: ….It would NOT matter who the President of US is when OBL was actually killed,…..”

    Anyone remember who was blamed when Jimmy Carter authorized a rescue team to go to Iran?

    Funny how when things go right, anyone could have done it, but when things go wrong it is someone’s fault.

    If Obama walked on water, the conservatives would exclaim – “see, I told you that black people had too heavy bones to swim”. (one of many old stereotypes of years gone by)

  71. btw, sumyungboi, I am still waiting for the context surrounding the two quotes I gave of Romney’s and your showing me that Romney said he would go into the territory of an ally to get bin laden without the express approval and participation of the allied government (Pakistan).

    Show me that context you mentioned, and I will say you were right all along.

    The one you did talk about was a later Romney saying, “oops, my effort at belittling Obama’s statement that he would go after bin Laden failed big time. Even my fellow Republicans and conservatives are attacking me for saying I wouldn’t expend any resources on bin Laden, so I’d better change my tune fast on that one.”

  72. Bandito says:

    Pointing out one’s accomplishments during a political campaign is perfectly acceptable. Getting Bin Laden was a great resume builder, dontchya think? Mission actually accomplished! The GOP can’t find fault with the message so they pick on the messenger.

  73. I’ll bet it’s only “Classless and unpresidential for the president to use this as a political tool.” when a Democrat does it.
    bush the failure used 9/11 as a political tool for 8 long and costly years.
    Was that “Classless and unpresidential for the president to use this as a political tool.”?

  74. menopaws says:

    Just keep remembering Bush striding across the deck of that carrier under that HUGE “Mission Accomplished” banner……..They don’t even have enough class to be embarassed by that—even now, after all the horrible stuff that happened AFTER his big moment on that carrier. Here’s one for all of you who want to pick, pick, pick President Obama and what HE accomplished. Living in that glass house, under that banner, gives everyone the right to throw some stones……..Learn to deal with the humiliation of failure—-Bush did, and I might add—he did it graciously, to his credit…….He listened to Rumsfeld, Cheney and Wolfowitz and didn’t listen to Colin Powell. We ALL paid a high price for that……..and still are….So. just remember that giving credit for a job well done is, the honorable and right way to behave. So, get over it and give this President and his team the respect they deserve for a job well done.

  75. frosty says:

    Sure, he can take some credit for killing Bin Laden, but as Commander in Chief, he can also take credit for the killing of Afganies by the American G.I, the urinating on the corpes of dead Afganies by our military folks, and all of the other controversial issues involving our presence in Afganistan. Harry Truman had it right, “The buck stops here”. Obama can’t have it just one way, he can’t take credit for the bravery of the Navy Seals and those involved in protecting this country without taking the blame for it’s mistakes as well.

  76. LornaDoone says:

    Whoever was president during a retire officer’s service is responsible for their polishing a chair with their backside?

    It seems to me that Obama was first in line to apologize for the murder of civilians and the unrinating on dead bodies, so it appears that he did “take credit”, as opposed to old “Run and Hide”, our previous Commander in Chief. Of course, when Obama did take responsibility, the conservatives got all pantywadded about that, also.

    As usual, regardless of what Obama does, it’s wrong in the eyes of the Right.

  77. Tuddo,
    I wonder if the War on Terror is like our War on Drugs where some agencies are fighting the drug cartels while others aid them in producing and shipping product.

    TMell – funny but I don’t see the theorizing, I see Obama pushing back against those who would trivialize the achievement or strip and give it to Bush.

    Mitt’s idea of a turnaround is to send more jobs overseas, give more tax breaks to the rich and to big business, and to start a war with Iran.

    No thinks, we the people don’t need a bush clone in the White House.

    Ehill – Obama sure didn’t. After OBL, we went after and got OBL replacement with a drone strike. Hope Obama goes for a hat trick.

    Sozo – the Seals did not want to be in the spotlight. Which is why Obama met with them privately at Fort Campbell.

    The folly is the Bush stopped looking and closed down the CIA unit assigned to track OBL.

    Bandito, especially when we add OBL’ successor, Somali Pirates, and a very successful multi-national air campaign.

    Obama reminds me of the old self-defense rule – take out flashy bully after you take out the quite one.

    Frosty – you were one of those who howled when Obama apologized to Karzai and the Afghan people for both incidents – but you see that is what a true leader does – takes responsibility for what his people do or don’t do.

  78. kluwer says:

    “Obama can’t have it just one way, he can’t take credit for the bravery of the Navy Seals and those involved in protecting this country without taking the blame for it’s mistakes as well.”

    Has he ducked any of that blame frosty?
    bush the failure sure as hell did!

  79. SafewayOrangeSoda says:

    “And they especially don’t want him to own finding and getting Osama bin Laden”

    That’s funny, what part of Seal Team Six is Obama on?

    He ISN’T?

    Oh, you mean the waffling idiot-in-chief did nothing except fart in his chair while the REAL heroes actually went and did all the life-threatening work? Great job, Obama!

    Obama belongs in the military about as much as an Alaskan needs a Bikini.

  80. Safeway, in every public statement that Obama has made, he has credited those people with the success of the mission.

    However, Bush and Republicans up and down the line said bin Laden was not important and no resources should be wasted on him. Obama disagreed, told the American people what he would do, got roundly criticized for it by Republicans, but did it anyway.

    Let’s hear those people who said this was not important make that argument.

    Your argument doesn’t hold a drop of water, since we know Obama changed quite a few priorities to make this happen. We hire a president to make tough decisions, not to join a Seal team.

    “Good decision or bad decision?” is a reasonable argument. Let’s hear it from the Republicans who say that this was a bad decision and the reasons why.

  81. frosty says:

    tuddo, “republicans up and down the line said Bin Laden was not important and no resources should be wasted on him”. Have you seen the pictures of that pathetic little man hiding in his room with a t.v. remote control in his hand watching re-runs of whatever? Tapes released today state that he was concerned because most of his followers were being killed and he was losing or had lost his influence with Al Quaeda leaders. So perhaps in the grand scheme of things, he really was not so important after all. Secondly as for Obama changing his priorities, you’re right, he had to give up his golf game that day to come in and watch the seals via t.v. He only played 9 holes that day instead of the normal 18.

  82. LornaDoone says:

    And if Boehner could reduce his golf play to the amount Obama plays, we might get something done in Congress.

  83. LornaDoone says:

    “Mouthing a few words denouncing the soldiers involved in those incidents is not the same as accepting responsibility as the Commander in Chief.”

    Polishing a chair with your gluteous maximus isn’t being a war hero, but given the opportunity, there is a retired military “officer” who will claim to have changed the position of Uranus through his military service.

  84. “Rush Limbaugh said in September 2007: “Well, we’ve got another tape from — I get these guys confused — Usama bin Laden. Another tape says he’s going to invade Pakistan and declare war on Pakistan and Musharraf, which, ladies and gentlemen, puts him on the same page with a Democrat presidential candidate — that would be Barack ‘Uss-Obama.’ ” Limbaugh added: “All right, so, we’re going to attack Pakistan. Poor Musharraf’s going to get it on both ends if Barack’s elected.”

    Sean Hannity called Obama’s statement “frightening”

    Karl Rove said it was indicative of “the inexperience that he has.”

    Fox News analyst Ralph Peters called it “loonier than anything he’s said about Iraq,”

    Fox News’ John Gibson said on August 3, 2007: “Obama suggested we invade Pakistan, this week. He’s a loser.”

    John Podhoretz in the New York Post that Obama said “basically promised that, as president, he would invade Pakistan,” adding: “This country is never going to insert military forces to conduct a major campaign against al Qaeda inside Pakistan without the permission of that country’s government.”

    Bill Kristol wrote: “Barack Obama, losing ground to Hillary Clinton because he seemed naive about real world threats, frantically suggest[ed] that he would invade Pakistan.”

    Romney: “He’s gone from Jane Fonda to Dr. Strangelove in one week,” . “I think Obama is confused as to who our friends and who our enemies are.

    These are the same people that now say anyone would have made the same decision Obama did and the decision to get bin Laden shouldn’t be brought up in an election year.

  85. “What tragedy took place in toddu childhood that made’m mutate into a deceitful, lying and manipulative miscreant, so delusional they can create whatever truth that is desired. Akin to a child that never grew out of playing make-believe.

    What would your Grandparents think, if they were able to see the nasty little habit of “stretching the truth” you have developed on these threads”

    When you can’t refute the message, attack the messenger with lies. Typical.

  86. ehill, I guess Pacman33 will say I created all of those “delusional” comments from the anti-Obama gang, too.

    It is amazing that, in this age of technologies that make it easy to find out what people actually said, that some people will still try to rewrite history, call people names and blatantly and personally attack someone who points that out using facts.

    I take “miscreant” as a badge of honor when dealing with those who worship at the feet of Limbaugh and the Fox News crowd as the far right does. In its purest form, it means “unbelieving, heretical”. I will always be an unbeliever of the hypocrisy of that crowd.

  87. frosty is a typical conservative, nothing of substance but full of childish insults.

  88. One big difference between Obama and W is Obama listen to and has the respect of his military advisors.

    Frosty – more importantly the whole world (especially our enemies) have seen those pictures and (hopefully) got the messages that we can and will hunt down our enemies and take them out.

    USA to the world – your best friend or your worst nightmare – your choice.

    Bush would have continued weeding his ranch.

  89. hansgruber says:

    @LornaDoone-Giving Obama the credit for the OBL Killing is like giving Richard Nixon credit for the Apollo Moon Landing, Like giving Bush 41 credit for the collapse of the USSR.

    Carter deserved that because that event began under his leadership.

    Don’t you remember Clinton pointing his finger and saying “I tried to to kill Bin Laden”?

  90. “Don’t you remember Clinton pointing his finger and saying “I tried to to kill Bin Laden”?”

    No and neither do you because it never happened.
    When you have to lie to prop up your argument, you have no argument.

  91. hansgruber says:

    Klu go to:


    Go 3:44 in the video and listen to Clinton say he authorized the CIA to Kill Ben Laden.


  92. I love that clip. Bill Clinton putting the right wing, Bush and the idiot Fox new interviewer in their place. That’s the difference between fact and the fiction Fox tries to create. Clinton authorized the CIA to locate him, but he did not authorize a military mission in Pakistan like Obama did.

    You may have proved a minor and unimportant point in your argument with kluwer, but by doing so, you exposed the entire right wing criticism of Obama and Clinton as based on nothing but lies and more lies.

    Bill Clinton took responsibility for what he did wrong and what he did right. He admitted that the CIA could not find him and that he did not do enough because bin Laden was still around when Bush came into office. Bush downgraded the entire effort to find bin laden, told the American people bin Laden was not imnportant.

  93. hansgruber says:

    Clinton took responsibility for what he did?

    Tuddo, Tuddo, Tuddo This ones for you:


    Besides, I never considered either of the Bushs as conservatives

  94. Nice try at deflection, hans. Failed, but nice.

  95. hansgruber says:

    Ehill, tuddo , klu….etc…
    It amazes me when I get called on like Klu “because it never happened.When you have to lie to prop up your argument, you have no argument” then I show him he was wrong, tuddo comes to Klu’s defense affirming Klu was wrong then goes on and makes the statement “ …You may have proved a minor and unimportant point in your argument with kluwer….Bill Clinton took responsibility for what he did wrong and what he did right….” So I prove him wrong then ehill steps up to defend tuddo by waving is hand like a Jedi Knight and says “Nice try at deflection, hans. Failed, but nice”.

    It’s like my brother, who teaches high school history, who teaches his students Bill Clinton was never impeached because he was not voted out of office by the US Senate.

    I was a lib many years ago and believed whatever talking head from the DEM party said until I started actually looking at the facts and learning for myself. For example, I know we can have a balanced federal budget because in 1998-2001 the Republican controlled congress forced Clinton to do so even though he wanted to continue to borrow.


  96. hansgruber, review the link you frst linked to. I will just assume that yuou missed Bill Clinton taking responsibility for his failures and his successes re: bin Laden. I won’t assume that you are purposely deceitful and lying.

    You didn’t prove anything, except that you have absolutely no clue as to real facts and how to use them in an argument.

  97. hansgruber says:

    tuddo-the first link was in 2006, the second one where Clinton didn’t take responsibility and lied to the American public about not have a sexual relation with that woman, Ms Lewinsky was in 1998.

    My argument did prove that Clinton tried to kill Bin Laden, didn’t take responsibility for the blue dress mess when he should have and it cost him by being impeached.

    The reason I showed that clip was because klu said Clinton never said that he tried to kill OBL. I was showing that Clinton tried to kill him, Bush tried to kill him (Do you remember the $25 million reward?)too.

    Talk about defection

  98. “in 1998-2001 the Republican controlled congress forced Clinton to do so even though he wanted to continue to borrow.”

    That’s a factoid, not a fact. The federal budgets are available online, and they show that the budgets as passed by the Republican majority contained more spending than requested by the President.

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