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RELIGION: Line of popes began years after Peter

Letter by Jean E. Balman, Gig Harbor on April 30, 2012 at 1:48 pm with 20 Comments »
April 30, 2012 1:48 pm

In responding to the suggestion that the Catholic Church needs to modernize, a letter writer (TNT, 4-29) credits the church with more than 2,000 years of wisdom, dating back to the first pope, the apostle Peter.

The Official Catholic Directory lists a line of popes beginning with Peter, but for the first 400 years, these men were bishops of Rome, not popes. Secular history shows the rise of the papacy much later.

Peter, of course, was never a pope. When Jesus named him Petros (a piece of rock), he then said “Upon this Petra (a mass of rock) I will build my church.” The church is bult upon the “foundation of the apostles (all of the 12, including Peter) and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone” (Eph. 2:20).

Picture the top of a pyramid. Jesus was not naming his own successor, and Peter, the humble fisherman, was never deemed infallible. Any claiming to be are anti (attempting to replace) Christ.

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  1. The church still needs to modernize.

  2. CrazyJim says:

    If the Popes are so wise how come they are on the wrong side of so many issues?

  3. RLangdon says:

    Who says the Popes are on the wrong side of the issues? Maybe it is you who are on the wrong side.

  4. aislander says:

    RLangdon: CrazyJim (who hasn’t been posting for a while–How’s it goin’, CJ?) is, dare I say, one of your coreligionists. No: not that religion–the OTHER one…

  5. Apostolic succession: he line of bishops stretching back to the apostles.

    http://www.catholic.com/tracts/apostolic-succession

  6. bobcat1a says:

    Read “Absolute Monarchs,” a history of the papacy by historian John Julius Norwich. Any institution claiming connection to the vast majority of those embarrassments must be delusional in claiming divine guidance.

  7. Pecksbadboy says:

    RLangdon has no idea of the history of his own church. His blind devotion is what is wrong with modern organized religion.

  8. RLangdon says:

    Pecks… I just bet you get ALL your exercise by jumping to conclusions, don’t you? You are so wrong about me and “my church”.

  9. Frankenchrist says:

    The Republican War on Women is aided and abetted by right-wing Christianity.

    Republicans have been creeping out women since at least 1998. No wonder 98.37% of women will vote for Obama in November.

  10. HistoryFan says:

    What do you mean by “the Church needs to modernize”? Do you mean the Church needs to reflect the decaying culture around it rather than try to keep true to the Bible’s teachings? I understand we all as Americans have our choice to make for ourselves. My choice is to anchor my life to the word, not the world.

  11. kluwer says:

    Who cares what they do, just so long as they don’t force the rest of the nation to go along with.
    The pope needs to get his house in order before they get any further involved in politics.

  12. mhhlilsis says:

    Why are people in denial about the women near Jesus? Mary Magdalene was a disciple too. Popes were corrupt and sought power and money. St Francis anyone? Martin Luther anyone? The modern day Martin Luther will be the Nuns of the church.

  13. tellnolies says:

    Authoritarian, male dominated cultures do seem to be in decay, (and decline) worldwide. I believe that should be applauded, not bemoaned…

  14. SwordofPerseus says:

    Organized religion, bah hum bug.

    Rather than modernize ancient outdated ideas, intelligent people should embrace philosophy and history and we should shun superstition based faith. We are all it this together. We had better start acting like it.

  15. Scottc51 says:

    If the Catholic Church is wrong, they are entitled to be. I don’t think any religion is going to change because an outsider says thay need to modernize, or get it right, or on the wrong side of issues. Everyone preaching that arrogates unto themselves the truth and the light. Well, heck, know-t-alls start your own religion.

  16. ThinkerDem says:

    bobcat1, I read Absolute Monarchs,and recommend it to anyone who has been through the brainwashing of Catechism class or “adult instruction” for potential converts as I did at the age of 17. I am no longer a believer, let alone a Catholic because I do not choose to belong to any organization that disguises the fact that I am a second-class member by canonizing little girls like Maria Goretti for dying in defense of her virginity, and voting amongst the Cardinals to declare that the mother of Jesus was a physical virgin before, during, and after childbirth, in contrast to those of us who are “sullied” by the normal process of becoming a mother. It is astonishing that, in a country claiming to have “no religious test” for holding public office, elected officials must hide their atheism if they want to serve because a majority of Americans say they would never vote for a person who does not believe in a god whose existence has never been, nor never can be proved. They claim to believe every word in a Book replete with internal contradictions and don’t object or question the mental contortions of their clergy as they try to reconcile the conflicting quotes of its authors with intellectual twists rivaling any Cirque du Soleil gymnast’s physical bends.For them, Religious Freedom means that to be worthy of holding office, a person must have a religion, preferably Christian, because they believe, as Mitt Romney once claimed, that it is impossible to have morality without Religion.Rest assured, there are atheists in government, but they haven’t had the courage to “out” themselves, except for a very few. Religious Freedom may someday be defined to include the freedom to reject religion without surrendering one’s civil rights or being wrongly accused of lacking morals. I fear that day is far in the future when the President of the United States, in an official and unconstitutional act, declares a “National Day of Prayer”.

  17. Two other books that should be high on ones reading list are:

    “Misquoting Jesus” by Bart D. Ehrman

    and

    “The Politics of Jesus” by Obery M. Hendricks

  18. Pecksbadboy says:

    RLangdon, so do you believe in the dogma of papal infallibility?

    Your comment sure seems to lead that way.

  19. notimetobleed says:

    The Catholics do not change their tune quickly on any subject. It took them 359 years to finally admit Galileo and Copernicus were correct and that the world was indeed round and revolved around the sun.

    Unfortunately, this admission came a little late for Galileo and Copernicus as the church made thier lives pretty miserable until their death.

  20. averageJoseph says:

    I still am amazed how anyone would focus on the catholic religion and defend islam. They are literally centuries apart.

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