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MILITARY: No need to apologize for photos

Letter by Jon Beteag, Gig Harbor on April 19, 2012 at 2:26 pm with 68 Comments »
April 20, 2012 9:34 am

Having read the Defense Secretary Leon Panetta apologized for the photos taken of soldiers with a suicide bomber’s body parts (TNT, 4-18), I was struck by the hypocrisy of it all.

Since the invention of the camera, soldiers have been photographed with the bodies of enemy combatants. Before the camera these scenes were commemorated in sculpture and in paintings that are now referred to as “classical art.”

Are the photos from Afghanistan gruesome? Absolutely. But we spend billions to turn our young men and women into warriors for the express purpose of killing, maiming and ultimately defeating our “enemies.” On almost a daily basis soldiers are faced with the horrific results of brutal conflict. They become inured to the continuous violence and in many cases develop macabre senses of humor as a coping mechanism.

Sharing that with the wider world doesn’t seem appropriate at first glance, but maybe we should all be exposed to the horror in the hope that we can learn to reject the insanity that is war.

Panetta shouldn’t be apologizing for the actions of our soldiers. He should be apologizing to the world at large for the tyrants, oligarchs and politicians who have placed them on the battlefield.

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  1. Great letter and I agree, although will get lots of flak for doing so. Why isn’t a big deal made out of terrorists cutting off the head of an American citizen, or at least not as much as when some burned korans? Even after a couple months we are hearing about that and how “they” are still making us pay for what a few did. Maybe if we didn’t have a president who appologized to the enemy all the time and that was proud to be an American?

  2. It is sad that some people want America to stoop to the level of terrorists.

    I am proud that The USA has stood for the highest level of conduct and the highest level of honor in peace and warfare.

    As a retired soldier I am proud that we will not tolerate barbaric gangs taking over our military culture.

  3. sandblower says:

    Mr. Beteag and darlin can stoop to barbarian lows if they so desire. I choose not to and I am glad Sec. Panetta said what he said.

  4. LornaDoone says:

    A conservative thinking we should lower ourselves to the level of terrorists.

    Why does this not surprise me?

  5. Theefrinker says:

    I’d have to say that I agree as well. Apologizing is just part of the process though (not that it changes the absurdity of it) within global politics; let’s call it GPC. But I’ve always held the same belief that you mentioned about the kill training. It’s like training your dog to p3e on the carpet, and then when he p3es on the couch you smack him in the face.

  6. yabetchya says:

    How do you know he is a conservative Larry ?

  7. LornaDoone says:

    The name is “Lorna”. I’m certain that reading isn’t your strong suit.

    Who said I was talking about a “he”?

  8. LornaDoone says:

    A conservative Larry?

    I think he was suspended indefinitely.

    I heard the whining.

  9. Yes, that is what we need to turn our young women and children into murders and then have them come home and “Fit” into society.

    We are not naturally born killers but are made to with either right or wrong intentions of the current political philosophy.

    We still need to show we are better and an apology for reveling in our blood lust is a start.

  10. yabetchya says:

    The name is “Lorna”. Now that is funny… It used to be Manuel.

  11. We should apologize for the reasons pointed out, we, Americans the real ones anyway, are better than that, or at least we used to be.

  12. Great letter!

  13. This is a very confused letter. Are you celebrating the war, or condemning the policies of the American oligarchs who sustain it for their profit and power?

  14. To all who fail to see – there is a world of difference between being photographed with enemy dead and being photographed dishonoring the bodies.

    The resent unpleasant actions and photos from Afghanistan are indicative of failures in command, leadership, training, and discipline.

    If we allow the desecration of enemy dead, torture of prisoners, and mistreatment of civilians, we have no right to be offended when the enemy does the same to us.

  15. LornaDoone says:

    What’s that you say, Sandy?

  16. Here is an article I agree with from a not-for-profit organization that works with journalists and scholars to provide information and resojurces on conventions of war, including the Geneva Convention.


  17. BlaineCGarver says:

    Good letter…..If Leon can’t stand up for his guys, he can damn sure stand in front of them….Which would please me to no end.

  18. sandblower says:

    So support atrocities, right BCG? It figures, coming from you.

  19. slugoxyz says:

    The letter writer is correct. This sort of thing has always been done. If I throw a ‘death card” on a dead enemy so that the people who come to bury him know it was ME that killed him and they should fear me, I am a product of what the powers have made me. I retired too and I don’t think this is all a big deal. It is what the media makes it and the people out here with their fantastic view of what war should be like vs. the wicked, ruthless, angry and brutal reality that it is. Try to blow me up and ultimately kill yourself? Yeah. In a moment of fear, anger, induced laughter… I’d pose with the guy. Better him than me! We pose because next time, it might be me. And it might be me hanging from the bridge all torn and twisted. Or it might be one of my friends stripped and mutilated and then dragged through the dusty streets of Mogadishu or some other lousy place without a prayer of becoming better. It’s why we see so few Americans captured. 1) we don’t often lose and 2) they know what will happen to them. No thanks. Offended by what the enemy does? You bet. I am dreadfully offended by the thought of him killing me before I kill him. And when I win that little race, I will celebrate in a way you armchair folk can’t understand.

    Give the guys a break. Their job stinks. They are a product of what we have made them. You want to win this war but you want to do it pretty? That’s like you sitting there telling Alex Rodriguez that his swing is all wrong and that’s why he struck out. What do you know? It’s a little farcical isn’t it? You don’t like to see our young men and women posing with the people they killed? Then hire yourselves a bunch of uber mean contractors, remove the media and set loose the dogs of war. You don’t want to know how wars are won. In this case, Colonel Jessup was right. “You can’t handle the truth”. So, instead of imposing your armchair values on the guy who stands a post, turn away from your 55” flat screen and let him do his/her job. If you think you can do it better, then pick up a weapon and go do it. Or better yet, take his as you trade places.

  20. You first slug…and maybe you can find a little decency and integrity along the way. We are Americans and are better than that. May be you don’t find it a big deal ’cause you don’t value these people in any way anyhow. We pretty much accomplished what we set out to do there despite the detour and we should come home. This macho screed of yours is immature and unbecoming a retiree (and Thank You for Your service).

  21. slugoxyz says:

    I’m all used up Sevanup. Otherwise I would. I worry about those young kids over there every day. My decency is to the people I protected and served. I never swore an oath to the guy out strapping on explosives. The only person I owed anything to were the American people and my fellow soldier. Integrity? Mine is fine. No army in the history of the world does more to protect innocent lives. But the dead guys in the photo weren’t innocent. They were guilty as hell. I owe them nothing.

    Those photos are honest. But you don’t like it. My point is that they’re not new. As soon as a soldier could bring a camera to war, he was snapping photos of his dead enemy. But the honesty is more than you can stomach? Then I suggest you look away. That or stop objecting when we censor the media like they did a few decades ago. You want integrity? I’ll give you integrity but you look at it close and keep your lips closed. That’s what war looks like. It’s blood and body parts. It’s a soldier thankful that he or she is alive. Celebrating that it’s them and not us.

    You want them to come home? Then let them win. I’m not quite sure what that looks like but if you are going to dictate exactly how you think it should get done, then they’ll be over there forever fighting a cruel enemy with one hand tied behind their back. Or worse, they’ll leave the blood of their friends there with nothing to show for it.

    Immature? No. I’m tired of you armchair talkers sitting back here analyzing how the war should be fought because you get all twisted by media exploitation. I just want our fighting men and women home successful. They stand there with their arm in the hornets nest so the enemy doesn’t come here. You think valuing “these people” will make them not hate you but that is immature. You think we should just quit now before we’ve let our men and women finish what they’ve started? That’s immature. You want it to look pretty when in truth, there’s nothing uglier. That’s immature. Sevanup, my integrity is fine. How is yours?

  22. Slug,
    I think we got most of the folks that were responsible for attacking us and I don’t think we need to be nation building over there either. That part of the world isn’t going to change and come into the modern world anytime soon. I don’t like our kids being over there and in harm’s way any longer than they have to anymore than you do.

    I’m just saying that we should aspire to a higher ideal like those set down in our Constitution, Declaration of Independence, and other fine works that define us as Americans. It’s doing the right thing even if no else is around to watch. Nobody said war is pretty or any of the other baiting stuff you responded with. Others have gone, did their jobs, killed when they had to and didn’t do this sort of nonsense.

    Anyway, your original input and follow-up sort of comes across as some sort of “Rambo” ramblings (in my and mine only opinion). There is no equivalency for doing things that demean your own self worth. I know folks who use to collect ears off of the dead they fought in battle. Seriously? Really? What justification is there in that? ‘Or honor? What’s that got to do with doing your job; professionally; being on that wall?

    Lastly, valuing others is really more the key to your own mortal soul. And BTW I’m not talking from an armchair. I’m retired just like you and still active in the community and I don’t get my info from the media. I still thank you for your service Slugoxz. We just see some things differently but we both love our country

  23. sandblower says:

    I am sorry for slug’s inability to understand just how warped his thinking is.
    There is real bitterness in there.

  24. concernedtacoma7 says:

    These Soldiers live in daily fear of the brainwashed extremist blowing himself up with the express intent to kill as many people as possible, military or civilian.

    If they have a small victory (one dead bad guy, good guys safe) a small celebration is not an unusual emotion or response.

    Incredible how the left attacks our own (this, Abu Ghraib, etc) yet excuses the real evil. I believe it is a result of softening of the American man. Type B progressives, everybody gets a trophy mentality.

  25. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Furthermore, it shows the left’s distrust and dislike of the military. They do not understand the pride, honor, and sacrifice required to serve in a time o war. They raise up the #ows crowd and bash the service. They think only the uneducated serve, those with no other choice. They are wrong on all accounts. Like Mitt’s family and wealth, they are jealous. Jealous that they are not man enough to stand up when it counts, when losing the battle equals death. They are scared of real men. Men that expect only respect for their efforts, not a handout or other people’s hard earned goods.

  26. Frankenchrist says:

    Every trooper knows before they deploy that it is illegal to photograph enemy dead. I guess those who do it anyway think the UCMJ doesn’t apply to them. Surprise, it does.

    It doesn’t surprise me that armchair warriors like Darlin think abusing dead bodies is just fine. Anyone who sits in church eating a corpse and talking to an invisible magic man in the sky probably enjoys necrophilia.

  27. concernedtacoma7, for my edification, please explain what “it” means as the second word of your sentence:

    “Furthermore, it shows the left’s distrust and dislike of the military. They do not understand the pride, honor, and sacrifice required to serve in a time o war.”

    Does it mean we have to cut off the ears of our enemies, photograph ourselves with body parts, rape and pillage and refuse to apologize when our soldiers commit atrocities to show we love America?

    I served in Vietnam and know that some soldiers committed the same kinds of actions. I also know that many of them were reprimanded, demoted and booted out of the Army because of such. Not only is it against Geneva Conventions, such actions dehumanizes the person who does such things and harms our war efforts, especialy when we are trying to profess that our democracy and way of life should be emulated more than that of terrorists.

    People who love America and support our troops want our efforts to mean something besides bringing back ears and fingers and disgusting photographs as war trophies. The want our “citizen soldiers” to retain their humanity and not succomb to the “heart of darkness” that such actions, when allowed, and even glorified, can create in a soldier’s soul.

  28. “it shows the left’s distrust and dislike of the military.”

    Took longer than usual for that right wing lie to show up, but we all knew it would.

  29. LornaDoone says:

    “Furthermore, it shows the left’s distrust and dislike of the military. They do not understand the pride, honor, and sacrifice required to serve in a time o war.”

    What kind of pride and honor does it take to act like an animal? Only a conservative would think that displaying body parts, dead bodies and urinating on dead bodies is “honorable”.

  30. LornaDoone says:

    “I served in Vietnam and know that some soldiers committed the same kinds of actions. I also know that many of them were reprimanded, demoted and booted out of the Army because of such. Not only is it against Geneva Conventions, such actions dehumanizes the person who does such things and harms our war efforts, especialy when we are trying to profess that our democracy and way of life should be emulated more than that of terrorists.”

    If you recall, Tuddo, John Kerry, on behalf of hundreds of veterans, address Congress about that exact issue. The conservatives branded him as a “traitor” for being honorable enough to know it was wrong.

  31. LornaDoone says:

    “Colonel Jessup was right.”

    And was court martialed, accordingly

  32. concernedtacoma7 says:

    It- The left’s position/feeling about the service. As demonstrated by the over reaction to any incident involving the US military. The left’s lie of ‘support the troops but not the war’. It, the left’s overall hate and distrust of the military.

  33. FrankenC says: It doesn’t surprise me that armchair warriors like Darlin think abusing dead bodies is just fine. Anyone who sits in church eating a corpse and talking to an invisible magic man in the sky probably enjoys necrophilia.

    You poor thing, so sad, lonely, depressed and looney. You need many prayers as you are sure headed for hell.

  34. LornaDoone says:

    “You need many prayers as you are sure headed for hell.”

    This coming from the same person that support defiling bodies.

    The greatest problem “God” has is that his worst followers claim to be his spokespeople and the ones that allegedly guide his actions through their prayers.

  35. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Defiling? Taking a picture?

    You are too soft. Blood, war, fights, real man experiences are lost on you. A certificate of a participation is a win for you. Weak.

  36. Slugo – the problem is winning is not enough – we must be concerned with how we win.

    CT7 – what good do the actions shown in these photo do? The create even more brainwashed extremist willing to blowing themself up with the express intent to kill as many Americans as possible, military or civilian.

    When was the last time a Romney served in the military? Oh, that’s right, helping Mittens get elected servine the country,

  37. concernedtacoma7 says:

    He served the same amount of time as BHO.

    The action do no good, but are blown out of scale by the soft left. Sorry if they have to see a small piece of war, but the boys deal with it everyday.

  38. CT7 – post WW2 studies showed that macho tough guys mad the worse soldiers.

    Based on you comments I would peg you as having served in the rear with the gear.

  39. Frankenchrist says:

    @xring The only place CT7 served was at McDonalds.

  40. Frankenchrist says:

    Mitt Romney took active measures to avoid the draft and avoid going to Vietnam. Instead of going to Vietnam like everyone else his age, Mitt went o to the south of France on a brainwashing mission for his cult. His ultra-rich polygamist father pulled strings to get this “harsh duty” in the south of France to count the same as going to Vietnam. Fast-forward to the present: the Unites States has been engaged in the Global War on Terror for the last ten years. Romney has five military-age sons, none of who felt the need to serve their nation while their nation is at war.

    The Romney’s are a family of gutless, yellow-bellied, pissant, chickenhawk cowards.

  41. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Everyone else? Flat out lie. 5 military aged kids. So what? Only .4% of American’s have served overseas in a ‘combat zone’ since 9/11 (we know KC was based in Kuwait).

    Rear? I think not. FC, why did you get kicked out again?

    Nice deflection though. Typical. And tell me about BHO’s service again. Thanks!

  42. Frankenchrist says:

    Here is the story about Mitt’s new best friend, Ted Nugent. Terrible Ted is another in a long line of chickenhawk Repukes who talk tough now–but when the moment actually came to serve their nation–went all wobbly and let someone else go in their place.

    If you have a weak stomach you might not want to read this; it’s pretty nauseating.


  43. Frankenchrist says:

    As soon as Romney got back from his two-year vacation in France he went to Harvard and spent the next four years at that elite liberal institution getting two more degrees. Harvard. Hahhhhvard. That is where Romney learned his left-wing liberal ideas. Obamacare = Romneycare. Romney the RINO is a Taxachusetts liberal, a draft-dodging son of privilege, an Ivy League elitist, a gun-grabber, and a tax-raiser.

  44. concernedtacoma7 says:

    So a progressive is upset because he perceives a republican to be liberal? A progressive, atheist loon is upset because both candidates went to Harvard? At least we know one of them did well there…

  45. Frankenchrist says:

    I think it’s hilarious how the Repuke establishment stuck it to the right-wing teabaggers by nominating a total liberal RINO from Taxachusetts. It proves the GOP establishment holds the extremist teanuts in utter contempt. The teabaggers are useful idiots for the GOP country club establishment.

  46. “It, the left’s overall hate and distrust of the military.”

    Keep repeating the lie.

  47. Frankenchrist – the Nuge also claimed that he had no idea that he co-wrote and played a song about taking hallucinogenic drugs (Journey to the Center of the Mind) with the Amboy Dukes.

    Cracks me up – I remember sitting in the basement home of a boyhood friend listening to this song – years later my friend, like the Nuge, has turned into a complete Teaparty fool yet he was the one who turned me on to this druggie song.

  48. You need many prayers as you are sure headed for hell.

    Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment that you pronounce you will be judged, and the measure you give will be the measure you get. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, “Let me take the speck out of your eye,” when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye.

  49. Frankenchrist says:

    BB, Ted knew exactly what that song was about when they recorded it. Just because he is anti-drug doesn’t mean he should be ashamed about playing a psychedelic song.

    I saw the Nuge in concert a lot back in the 70s. It was fun rock & roll theatre and even then he was ranting about guns and hunting but he wasn’t threatening sitting presidents.

    Terrible Ted is living proof that not all raging stupidity is drug induced.

  50. Somehow I can’t take Nugent’s anti-drug stance nearly as seriously as Frank Zappa’s who, though basically a Libertarian, had a zero-tolerance stance for his band(s) because:
    1) It negatively affected their musicianship
    2) If they got arrested it would screw up his tour.

    He did say that the drugs of choice had an impact upon what kind of music would sell and that the hallucinogens of the 60s allowed him to write/play music that was more complex.

  51. (completing thought from above)

    FZ’s drugs of choice were caffeine and tobacco – probably why he got prostate cancer.

  52. Frankenchrist says:

    Yep, FZ was a perfectionist and required the same from his musicians. I was listening to “Over-Nite Sensation” two days ago. Pure genius.

  53. Here’s the difference: Ted lies about the 1968 pro-drug song (which was a huge hit) and claims ignorance.

    FZ’s “We’re only in it for the Money”, released in 1968, mocked the Hippie culture – the song “Absolutely Free” skewers the drug culture and psychedelia.

  54. concernedtacoma7 says:

    This is cute. The atheist hippie and the progressive professor reminiscing and discussing a tenant of liberalism, drug use.

    It is interesting to see FC not act like a spoiled child for a bit.

  55. You really don’t have any reading comprehension do you?

  56. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Explain how you came to that conclusion, BB.

  57. Because it was a discussion about how Ted Nugent – a celebrity rightwing mouth – was a hypocrite both because he bragged about how he successfully dodged the draft yet is a big chickenhawk and is outspoken on the war on drugs yet he made money from a song he co-wrote that was pro-psychedelic drugs.

    I brought up Zappa because he is often associated with the Left (though he really was a Libertarian) and at the same time wrote a song that made fun of psychedelia.

    Your conclude that we were discussing “a tenant of liberalism, drug use”. Which is really odd because I never knew that liberalism was a landlord or that drug use rented rooms.

    Legalized drug use, while supported by many on the Left is much more of a tenent of Libertarianism than liberalism. Someone who claims to know about political stances should know that.

  58. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Thanks for the answer and spelling correction. My public school education at work!

    If you could not find the sarcasm in my first response to your banter you need to lighten up.

    And yes, libertarians are for legalization, but so is the far left.

    I was not around for the hippie movement and really could care less. Ted is an entertainer. If he changed his beliefs or stance on an issue, it is his right. He speaks for himself, and himself only, as does Clooney, Penn, and rest of left wing hollywood.

    And refresh my memory, didn’t the hippies support dodging the draft?

    Look around today’s military and it leans heavily right. Where are all those leftist heroes?

  59. Frankenchrist says:

    Awww, ct7 you made beerBoy the Professor and me the hippie. Are you sure I’m not Gilligan?

  60. Frankenchrist says:

    Back to Mitt the RINO

    Here is an example of how the GOP establishment has stuffed the crazy, lunatic Teabaggers back into the closet.


    Like I said, the Tea Party are useful idiots that the GOP establishment pulls out around election day. Then they shove them back into hiding like a crazy uncle.

  61. Frankenchrist says:

    Back in the 1980s I read a magazine article featuring FZ talking about his investment portfolio. He was heavily into defense stocks like Boeing and Lockheed. The interviewer naturally assumed he was some peace-freak and asked how could he invest in defense and FZ said (I paraphrase), “Because of the great returns.” Total libertarian.

    As far as legalization, William F. Buckley was long an advocate of drug legalization. Many, many conservatives favor legalization.

    ct7, the hippies might have supported dodging the draft but it was today’s repukes who were experts at it.

  62. concernedtacoma7 says:

    So they were better at a something the hippies supported. Nice darwin plug. Did you serve in the Vietnam era? Drafted? Is that why you have such a chip?

  63. Frankenchrist says:

    Yes, chickenhawks like Mittens were far more skilled at saving their own skins. We can agree on that.

    However, the hippies vocally opposed the war; repukes loudly supported the war while ensuring they never had to actually fight it.

    Sort of like the Teabaggers who scream about taxes and government spending then complain their social security check is late and the streets have too many potholes.

  64. If he changed his beliefs or stance on an issue,

    Not a problem. What is telling, however, is he continues to lie about the song he co-wrote because it doesn’t fit his current image.

    And, adding to his total hypocrisy, there is his totally disgusting recounting of how he avoided the draft. Since you apparently didn’t follow the link Frankenchrist provided, I will quote extensively:

    I got my physical notice 30 days prior to. Well, on that day I ceased cleansing my body. No more brushing my teeth, no more washing my hair, no baths, no soap, no water. Thirty days of debris build. I stopped shavin’ and I was 18, had a little scraggly beard, really looked like a hippie. I had long hair, and it started gettin’ kinky, matted up. Then two weeks before, I stopped eating any food with nutritional value. I just had chips, Pepsi, beer-stuff I never touched-buttered poop, little jars of Polish sausages, and I’d drink the syrup, I was this side of death, Then a week before, I stopped going to the bathroom. I did it in my pants. poop, pi** the whole shot. My pants got crusted up.

    See, I approached the whole thing like, Ted Nugent, cool hard-workin’ dude, is gonna wreak havoc on these imbeciles in the armed forces. I’m gonna play their own game, and I’m gonna destroy ‘em. Now my whole body is crusted in poop and pi**. I was ill. And three or four days before, I started stayin’ awake. I was close to death, but I was in control. I was extremely antidrug as I’ve always been, but I snorted some crystal methedrine. Talk about one wounded motherf****r. A guy put up four lines, and it was for all four of us, but I didn’t know and I’m vacuuming that poop right up. I was a walking, talking hunk of human poop. I was six-foot-three of sin. So the guys took me down to the physical, and my nerves, my emotions were distraught. I was not a good person. I was wounded. But as painful and nauseous as it was – ‘cause I was really into bein’ clean and on the ball – I made gutter swine hippies look like football players. I was deviano.

    So I went in, and those guys in uniform couldn’t believe the smell. They were ridiculin’ me and pushin’ me around and I was cryin’, but all the time I was laughin’ to myself. When they stuck the needle in my arm for the blood test I passed out, and when I came to they were kicking me into the wall. Then they made everybody take off their pants, and I did, and this sergeant says, “Oh my God, put those back on! You f*****g swine you!” Then they had a urine test and I couldn’t pi**, but my poop was just like ooze, man, so I poop in the cup and put it on the counter. I had poop on my hand and my arm. The guy almost puked. I was so proud. I knew I had these chumps beat. The last thing I remember was wakin’ up in the ear test booth and they were sweepin’ up. So I went home and cleaned up.

    And yet – your Rightist think he is fantastic because he is all for gun rights and hunting and anti-Obama and you excuse his completely disgusting, anti-American behavior by saying that that was a long time ago and he has a right to change his mind and….how about Sean Penn!

    This “super-hunter” just paid a fine for going over his limit for bagging bear in Alaska. He is a selfish piece of dog crap who all Americans should condemn….yet your side celebrates him and sends youtubes of him raving to all your friends (I got an email a few months ago from a childhood friend who has become a stark, raving dittohead).

    Just as the Cons call out and say, “where are the moderate Muslims and why don’t they condemn the Islamists?” I say, where are the sane Conservatives and why don’t they condemn the Nuge?

  65. concernedtacoma7 says:

    To be honest, aside from knowing he was a gun freak and at some point played music I never heard, Ted never crossed my mind. I read a good deal of news (yes, mainly conservative) and cannot think of a time until this week I read an article on him.

    Terrorism vs “the Nuge” verbally threatening someone. Come on, but..

    If it will make you feel better I condemn his comments. Helps no one (except maybe his publicity).

    And that story was pretty disgusting. Literally and figuratively.

  66. I read a lot, so I knew this history of Nugent. I got a blanket e-mail from one of my Texas relatives who was criticizing how the leftist media are creating problems for Nugent, like cancellation of his appearance at the Army show.

    I summarized some of Nugent’s exploits and asked why conservatives are supporting his behavior.

    He said, “Because he stuck it to the man.”

    It confirmed my theory that many, if not most, conservatives are more concerned with the juvenile and irresponsible goal of “sticking it to the man (Obama)” than they are in governing this country in an adult and responsible way.

  67. I find it interesting that Detroit, which built upon its R&B heritage to give us Motown Records was also the home to proto-punk bands MC5 and Iggy and the Stooges. I think that, while Nugent’s hardcore 2 chord rock style has some similarities with the aforementioned nihilistic punk bands, his hedonistic celebration of himself puts him more in the company with fellow Detroiter – Madonna…..at least Ted didn’t put out a picture book of himself having sex….that I know of.

  68. During my tour in Vietnam, it wasn’t uncommon to see things that would qualify as inhumane, a Viet Cong lying in the road with his head sitting on his chest with a lit cigarette stuck in his lips, or people cutting off ears of enemy dead as souvenirs. Captured V.C. being taken for a ride in a UH1, usually two at a time, under questioning, one would be thrown out so that the other would talk. Those things happen. I’m not trying to justify any of it but when you are fighting for your life and the lives of your buddies, conventional behavior disappears.

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