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MARRIAGE: Petitions don’t belong in parish

Letter by Jacqueline A. Rickert, Federal Way on April 18, 2012 at 5:14 pm with 18 Comments »
April 19, 2012 9:34 am

Re: “Catholic leader gets it wrong” (letter, 4-18).

I also am saddened by Seattle Archbishop J. Peter Sartain’s letter to Catholics regarding Referendum 74. But what saddens me even more is that he has strongly suggested to area pastors that signatures supporting Referendum 74 be gathered on church grounds after services.

Fortunately some pastors, including the pastor of St. James Cathedral in Seattle, have said no. There will be ample opportunity for those wishing to sign the petition to do so. It should not happen on parish grounds.

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  1. Theefrinker says:

    Meh… why not? They seem to be the vast majority of folks that oppose equal marriage laws. Might as well pass the petition around with the income plate.

  2. TacomaDad79 says:

    And yet the Catholic church retains its tax exempt status…..

  3. If they do this then they should lose their tax exempt status!

  4. old_benjamin says:

    Just as soon as Obama’s church in Chicago loses it’s tax exempt status.

    The German churches were silenced by Hitler. After his demise, the churches were criticized for their silence. Be careful what you wish for.

  5. LornaDoone says:

    “Just as soon as Obama’s church in Chicago loses it’s tax exempt status.”

    How about pointing out PRECISELY where that church has violated the IRS law.

    Nice Godwin insert, by the way.

  6. LornaDoone says:

    ben, you might want to study up on Hitler and the Catholic Church before your next comment.


  7. o_b if losing their tax-exempt status is all it takes to silence a Church then maybe, just maybe, they really aren’t so righteous after all or – perhaps that Cross at their altar is just a disguise for their worship of Mammon.

  8. averageJoseph says:

    If it were a petition supporting your favorite lefty cause we’d probably not hear a peep.

  9. Theefrinker says:

    seriously…. it seems like half the comments on any letter are: blah blah Left, blah blah Obama, blah blah conservatives, blah blah liberals. It could literally be a letter about raising money to help the homeless and you’d see, “Yeah, because Obama spent 14 trillion dollars and the liberals took their jobs”. It’s so weak.

  10. Kluwer – many evangelical churches are as political involved as the Catholics are.
    In fact, during in his campaign Santorum appeared on stage in a church with a pastor who equated not voting for Santorum as voting for the Devil.

    aJo – rest assured if the left tried to have petitions signed in a church you zombies would be made aware of it.

  11. LornaDoone says:

    Interesting when the subject changes from gay marriage and birth control to the budget:

    Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) dismissed the concerns of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops in an interview with Fox News on Thursday, after the powerful advocacy group criticized his budget for “failing to meet [the] moral criteria,” of protecting human dignity, prioritizing the needs of the hungry and homeless and promoting the common good. He also suggested that the criticism itself might not represent the Bishops’ consensus view — an insinuation the group directly rejects.

    “These are not all the Catholic bishops, and we respectfully disagree,” Ryan said.

  12. aislander says:

    The “‘…moral criteria,’ of protecting human dignity, prioritizing the needs of the hungry and homeless and promoting the common good.”

    …are obligations of individuals and groups organized for those purposes, not the Federal government of the United States, except for the last, and the means of doing that have been opened to interpretation.

    The “general welfare” (common good) is the only one mentioned in the Constitution, and I prefer (and am working to restore) the Founding Fathers’ understanding of that, rather than the bastardized “interpretation” handed down in a tendentious decision by an ideological Supreme Court.

    General welfare originally meant acts and spending that were beneficial to all and specific to none.

  13. The Catholic Church is actually far to the left of most “liberals” when it comes to social issues. This is why the attempt by the Right to coop the Church based upon their teachings on abortion and contraception will never be entirely successful.

  14. Was Jesus Gay? Probably

    For the first time in my ministry I felt it had to be. Those last words of Jesus would not let me escape. “When Jesus saw his mother and the disciple whom he loved standing near, he said to his mother, ‘Woman behold your son!’ Then he said to the disciple. ‘Behold your mother!’ And from that hour the disciple took her to his own home.”

    Jesus was a Hebrew rabbi. Unusually, he was unmarried. The idea that he had a romantic relationship with Mary Magdalene is the stuff of fiction, based on no biblical evidence. The evidence, on the other hand, that he may have been what we today call gay is very strong. But even gay rights campaigners in the church have been reluctant to suggest it. A significant exception was Hugh Montefiore, bishop of Birmingham and a convert from a prominent Jewish family. He dared to suggest that possibility and was met with disdain, as though he were simply out to shock.

    After much reflection and with certainly no wish to shock, I felt I was left with no option but to suggest, for the first time in half a century of my Anglican priesthood, that Jesus may well have been homosexual. Had he been devoid of sexuality, he would not have been truly human. To believe that would be heretical.


  15. alindasue says:

    beerBoy said, “Jesus was a Hebrew rabbi. Unusually, he was unmarried.”

    It never actually says in the Bible whether He was married or not, nor does it actively mention the marital status of any of His disciples, although it can be assumed that at least some of them were married. Very little is covered outside the short time prior to Jesus’s crucifixion and resurrection.

    Even if Jesus didn’t marry, there are many reasons besides homosexual feelings for a man to not marry – just as any (okay, most) Catholic priest. The point is that, lacking any mention of it in the scriptures, your theory that Jesus may have been gay would be considered just as much “the stuff of fiction” as a relationship with Mary Magdalene would be.

    Back to the topic of the letter, while there’s nothing wrong with Catholics or even some of their clergy getting involved with political issues, having members sign a petition following services on Sunday not only violates the spirit of the church’s non-profit status, it also violates the spirit of the Sabbath.

  16. Just for clarification – my entire post of April 22, 2012 at 8:38 am was a copy/paste from the link provided at the bottom.

  17. A jewish rabbi would have had to be married.

    Most jewish men would have been married.

  18. alindasue says:

    xring said, “A jewish rabbi would have had to be married. Most jewish men would have been married.”

    I think it is highly likely that Jesus also did marry, even if it wasn’t specifically mentioned in the Bible.

    It doesn’t make this subject any more on topic though. (Ah, well, it’s late in the weekend and there are worse ways to derail a topic, if we are going to do so…)

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