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GAS: High prices help pay for ad blitz

Letter by Leslie S. Barnett, Gig Harbor on April 17, 2012 at 10:25 am with 81 Comments »
April 17, 2012 10:47 am

Are you sick of the high gas prices and want to blame someone? You have been falsely told that it is President Obama’s fault.

Here is something to think about. The American Petroleum Institute, Exxon, and others are running 30-second ads on numerous TV stations telling how wonderful they are and how wonderful “fracking” will be for America. Last time I checked, prime-time TV ads were very, very expensive.

And now for the real crusher: You and I are paying for these ads with not only high gas prices but with the Republican oil subsidy. I say Republican because they will not even discuss getting rid of the subsidy, even though the oil companies are enjoying unprecedented profits.

So enjoy the prices, enjoy those ads, but just realize that we the public are paying the bill. There is no reason for the oil companies to advertise other than to brainwash the public.

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  1. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Or to inform clowns that buy into rhetoric that fracking is evil.

    Funny, when dems controlled Congress and the WH I do not recall corporate tax reform as a major concern. Do you on the left even understand what the subsidies are? Accounting deductions used by all companies across all sectors of the economy. Oil pays the second highest tax rate by industry.

    Another uninformed leftist.

  2. BlaineCGarver says:

    *sigh* this is going to be a long, miserable election season.

  3. ct7, just what qualifies you to inform these and other “clowns”?

    # “Impacts of Gas Drilling on Human and Animal Health” by Michelle Bamberger, DVM and Robert E. Oswald, Ph.D., published in New Solutions
    # “Natural Gas Operations from a Public Health Perspective” by Theo Colborn, Ph.D. et al., published in the International Journal of Human and Ecological Risk Assessment
    # “Methane and the greenhouse-gas footprint of natural gas from shale formations” by Robert Howarth, Ph.D. et al., published in Climate Change
    # “Methane contamination of drinking water accompanying gas-well drilling and hydraulic fracturing” by Stephen Osborn, Ph.D. et al., published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences
    # “Emissions from Natural Gas Production in the Barnett Shale Area and Opportunities for Cost-Effective Improvements” by Al Armendariz, Ph.D., Southern Methodist University for the Environmental Defense Fund
    # “Chemicals Used in Hydraulic Fracturing” EPA Report
    # “Deep Drilling, Deep Pockets In Congress” by Common Cause
    # “The Case for a Ban on Fracking” report by Food & Water Watch
    # “Hancock and the Marcellus Shale: Gas Extraction Along the Upper Delaware” by the Columbia University Urban Design Lab
    Are Seismicity Rate Changes in the Midcontinent Natural or Manmade?
    ELLSWORTH, W. L., US Geological Survey, Menlo Park, CA, ; HICKMAN, S. H., US Geological Survey, Menlo Park, CA, ; LLEONS, A. L., US Geological Survey, Menlo Park, CA, ; MCGARR, A., US Geological Survey, Menlo Park, CA, ; MICHAEL, A. J., US Geological Survey, Menlo Park, CA, ; RUBINSTEIN, J. L., US Geological Survey, Menlo Park, CA,

  4. concernedtacoma7 says:

    60+ years of fracking. EPA has backtracked on just about every case of water contamination, finding the wells naturally contaminated or not contaminated at all.

    This under the BHO admin. Come on, even you could agree that with the far left running the EPA/DOE if there was any evidence they would be fined, shut down, etc. Be careful not to post some dated junk, as they recently found most of their charges cleared.

  5. Pacman33 says:

    Obama’s Energy Secretary Steven Chu : “Somehow we have to figure out how to boost the price of gasoline to the levels in Europe.”

    Green Czar Chu’s energy policy seems to be a success. Gas prices have more than doubled since 0bama took office.

    Yet, Leslie suggests one would have to be brainwashed to consider that a policy of high gas prices would be a possibility for … high gas prices. Brainwashed, not to buy her fracking story, that the cause is instead fracking commercials funded with the ‘Republican’ oil subsidy. She says Republican because a whopping 7 Dem. Senators voted against the subsidy.

    I think it’s plain to see who’s fracking brainwashed.

    https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00158#position

  6. Just who is using dated information?

    December 8, 2011
    For the first time, a government study has tied contamination in drinking water to an advanced drilling technique commonly known as “fracking.”

    The Environmental Protection Agency released a draft study Thursday tying the technique, formally called hydraulic fracturing, to high levels of chemicals found in ground water in the small town of Pavillion, Wyo. EPA scientists found high levels of benzene, a known carcinogen, and synthetic glycol and alcohol, commonly found in hydraulic fracturing fluid.
    http://www.npr.org/2011/12/08/143386908/epa-connects-fracking-with-water-contamination

  7. Just who is using dated information?

    Tuesday 17 April 2012
    A new study by the US Geological Survey says a six-fold increase in small earthquakes in mid-America may be linked to oil and gas production, including fracking, since the end of the last century.
    [...]
    Groat has acknowledged that a report by the US government’s Environment Protection Agency (EPA) will negate his study’s findings of no adverse environmental consequences unique to fracking – if the EPA’s findings are confirmed by peer review. The EPA constructed two deep monitoring wells to sample aquifer water, which confirmed the presence of compounds from fracking and found that drinking water wells were “below established health and safety standards”.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/apr/17/whats-the-truth-about-fracking?newsfeed=true

  8. Just who is using dated information?

    In a new study, researchers from the Colorado School of Public Health have shown that air pollution caused by hydraulic fracturing or fracking may contribute to acute and chronic health problems for those living near natural gas drilling sites.

    “Our data show that it is important to include air pollution in the national dialogue on natural gas development that has focused largely on water exposures to hydraulic fracturing,” said Lisa McKenzie, Ph.D., MPH, lead author of the study and research associate at the Colorado School of Public Health.
    http://attheforefront.ucdenver.edu/?p=2546

  9. The above dated March 14, 2012

  10. concernedtacoma7 says:

    I knew you could not resist old crap.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303404704577313741463447670.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

    They other article have some nice buzz words like “may”.

  11. concernedtacoma7 says:

    “The Environmental Protection Agency has dropped its claim that an energy company contaminated drinking water in Texas, the third time in recent months that the agency has backtracked on high-profile local allegations linking natural-gas drilling and water pollution.

    In addition to dropping the case in Texas, the EPA has agreed to substantial retesting of water in Wyoming after its methods were questioned. And in Pennsylvania, it has angered state officials by conducting its own analysis of well water-only to confirm the state’s finding that water once tainted by gas was safe.”

  12. Ct7 – you are quite the researcher. Yes, poor Leslie is woefully uninformed. Let’s blame the oil companies again with their huge profits. That’s what corporations do, Leslie – make profits.

    BB – Your long lists don’t say it all. Why don’t you quote Obama’s “facts” on oil drilling. I’m sure you know the truth but you wouldn’t want to criticize a pack of lies. The US has vast reserves of natural gas and oil. Why haven’t we taken advantage of the reserves like other countries? We have been held up by left wing environmentalists in the Democratic party for over 30 years. Where is your outrage?

  13. menopaws says:

    Hey idiots—Most of the oil being drilled is being loaded on tankers for India and China……..courtesy of your tax $$ and the oil companies tax breaks……..So keep opening your wallets and defending them…….Opening up more land for drilling increased THEIR profits and raised OUR prices……….Dumb and dumber go get a brain transplant, okay>

  14. LornaDoone says:

    http://www.gaslandthemovie.com/whats-fracking/

    I don’t need anything besides this to know that I don’t want fracking going on when it comes to land I own, or anything within 100s of miles of it.

  15. LornaDoone says:

    chile – why aren’t the oil companies drilling on the leases they already have?

    Gee, that question never gets answered. They just move on to one more baseless assertion about the “environmental terrorist leftist blah blah”

  16. TheLawOfUnintendedConsequences says:

    Menopaws calling other posters idiots? Pot — kettle et.al.

    Oil is a commodity sold on the world market,.
    Someday you may once more see your centrally directed economy without having to travel all the way to North Korea…

    I can only imagine how it hurts your heart that the CCCP failed so miserably..

  17. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    … why aren’t the oil companies drilling on the leases they already have?

    Gee, that question never gets answered.

    BeeEss, Larna, complete myth – and I’ve linked this before:

    http://republicans.energycommerce.house.gov/Media/file/Letters/112th/062508DOI.pdf

    http://royaldutchshellplc.com/2012/01/14/shell’s-arctic-drilling-plan-clears-hurdle/

    But you “just move on to one more baseless assertion”.

  18. Thanks for the assist, Vox. I assumed the answer was economics. After an oil company gets a lease, they have to do geological work, prioritize each area to drill then hope they get lucky when they start to drill on well #1. They may get sufficient oil and gas for production or get a dry hole. Then they have to determine if the well can produce enough oil to be economical. This takes several years from the point of leasing to the point of decision about the economics.

    That’s your answer, Lorna. Your question comes from just another Obama lie. My assertion that the Democrats have held up drilling on our own land for over 30 years still stands. Oil Companies are not going to drill on land that has been determined to be useless. But they still own the land.

  19. RLangdon says:

    It is very easy to determine who are the easily “brainwashed” on this forum.

  20. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Lardnos- you wish they fracked on your land. Farmer are hitting the jackpot.

    Typical uneducated comment. A 30 min piece of propaganda and he wants to change US energy policy, from clean nat gas to what? Where is the EPA and DoE on this? From the movie I expect every tap in the US to catch fire tomorrow! Call your congressman today! Tell him you saw a movie and it scared you!

  21. Pacman33 says:

    Next dB & DornaLoone are going to tell us about the their fracking earthquakes. LOL.

    For comedy relief I signed up for a couple union organization newsletters and a few ‘progressive’ website weekly bulletins. The things I get in my email, wow. I’m not sure I would recommend others to do the same. For a while there I would almost go into shock after hearing a leftist attack FOX News content after reading some of the trash I was sent. It is equally staggering to behold the conviction in which they display when absurdly proclaiming the left as champions or some kind of defenders of science.

    Common Delusions of fracking earthquakes polluting my email :
    http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2012/04/05

  22. dbreneman says:

    Jeez Louise. People shouldn’t practice Economics without a license.

  23. Frankenchrist says:

    President Obama has set another trap for the GOP and like simple-minded morons they are taking the bait and falling over themselves defending oil speculators and Big Oil, despite the fact Mr. & Mrs. Voter are sick of these high gas prices.

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0412/75244.html

    I can’t wait to hear Romney defend Big Oil and skyrocketing gas prices in the debates. “Let the market work.” Obama will mop the floor with him. It’s not going to be pretty.

    Oil speculators are traitors to America. The GOP provides aid and comfort to oil speculators; thus, the GOP are traitors as well.

  24. concernedtacoma7 says:

    With oil at the current price BHO does not have a leg to stand on.

    The green economic experiment failed, costing the 53% billions.

    Supporting expanded production is not supporting ‘big oil’. It is supporting American jobs, American tax base, and freedom. The goal is cheap energy to give us a competitive edge. If we export, great, bring the money here and not the ME or South America.

  25. ct7 – exactly right. Obama will have no answer for not allowing the Keysone XL pipeline. It has been held up for 3 years and the Governor of Nebraska has give his approval. Here we are the most technologically advanced nation in the world and we are not energy independent while Canada and tiny Norway (Norway! With their offshore drilling), are. Obama is going around the country with his misleading facts and the uninformed Dems take him at his word. When will they wake up. We have vast reserves that are untapped.

  26. “It is very easy to determine who are the easily “brainwashed” on this forum.”

    Yes it is, anyone who calls themselves ‘conservative’.
    They should just call themselves, ‘fascist’ and be done with it.

  27. Kluwer – same old comments on every article. “brainwashed” How about brain dead? I guess some people will always drink the Obama koolaid.
    Start with “One America” and then go from there.

  28. Frankenchrist says:

    Chili, you are full of crap. Canada imports over a million barrels of oil per day. I don’t know how much Norway imports but judging from the gas stations I saw in Oslo, their cars run on something and it’s not natural gas which is what they are drilling offshore. Stop parroting “facts” you hear on Rush Limbaugh’s show.

  29. Frank – the tour guide in Oslo told me that little fact. I think she knows more about Norway than you. I jumped the gun on Canada. You’re right and thanks for putting it so delicately. Canada produces 2.9 million barrels of oil per day but uses only 1.8. They should be energy independent and could be if not for a host of reasons I won’t go into. I recall the 60 minutes report on Canada’s oil sands as saying Canada was energy independent but apparently they said it “could” be independent. (if they didn’t export so much of their oil). I like Rush but I don’t listen to him.

  30. we are not energy independent while Canada and tiny Norway (Norway! With their offshore drilling), are.

    So…the reason why we can’t have universal healthcare like Norway is that we are so much bigger than them but, somehow, Norway’s small size is seen as an impediment to establishing energy independence?

  31. harleyrider1 says:

    Following this President’s election, it wasn’t long after that he and the Democrats had the majority in Congress for two (2) years.

    Why wasn’t this addressed then? Do you know what was accomplished in those two years?

    Your letter is typical liberal smoke. While I don’t think they need a “subsidy”, the total is $4-billion dollars a year. http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/05/about_those_oil_subsidies.html

    So $4-billion. Warren Buffett, you know your President’s best example? His company still owes over $1-billion in back taxes since 2011. Google it. 33 of Obama’s hand-picked White House staffers owe nearly $1-million in back taxes. Google it.

    His own Treasury Secretary is a tax cheat.

    End the subsidy – but pound the drums after your own cheating liberals too.

  32. BB – the reference to tiny Norway was to emphasize that a large technologically advanced country like ours is not energy independent while a small country with far fewer areas to drill is. They are drilling while we are not. Why? Who is stopping us?

    Healthcare – different topic.

  33. menopaws says:

    “Free” market solutions are for chumps—–we all saw how well the Wall street speculation worked in 2008. It almost destroyed this economy…….Once again, speculation and refusal to regulate this market means economic disaster…..Those who refuse to learn from history are truly doomed to repeat. The Republicans should make that their theme—-they spend a lot of time living back in the 1950’s, while Wall street and oil companies stuff their pockets and do as they damn well please. We almost went down the toilet and seem doomed to repeat that because we are tooo stupid to change. Those who want the Keystone pipeline to save them do realize it will be FIVE YEARS before it produces anything in our market, don’t they????? Dumb and dumber—do your homework…….there is NO magic bullet.

  34. Frankenchrist says:

    I used to believe all the free trade and lower taxes crap that the GOP peddled. In fact, it’s been practiced during the last 20 or so year and where are we? In the crapper, thanks to the exact same policies that the GOP is still peddling. The one people who benefit from the GOP are the rich, the super-rich, and the ultra-rich. The rest of the people get screwed.

    Chili, I still don’t believe Norway is energy-independent. Maybe something was lost in translation.

  35. I’m thinking that tiny country of Qatar is probably energy independent too!

  36. Norway wants to channel billions of dollars to renewable energies in developing nations, building on a scheme to protect tropical forests to which Oslo has been the biggest donor, officials said.

    With cash to spare as the world’s number six oil exporter, Norway wants governments and private investors to join a plan it calls Energy+ to promote green energies such as solar or wind power to combat climate change.
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/24/us-climate-norway-idUSTRE74N3KO20110524

  37. The tiny country of United Arab Emirates is energy independent too!

  38. LornaDoone says:

    “A 30 min piece of propaganda”

    First of all – it is more like a 90 minute documentary, which demonstrates that you haven’t seen it, thus you know nothing about it.

    Those “get rich quick” farmers have lost their farms. How do you water crops and livestock with polluted water? How do you live when you have flames coming out of your faucet? How do you live when your entire family is sick due to chemicals that were used to frack?

    Watch the movie. Educate yourself. Then comment.

    CT7 is the poster boy for “reload before shooting off mouth”

  39. LornaDoone says:

    In May 2008, Josh Fox received a letter from a natural gas company offering to lease his family’s land in Milanville, Pennsylvania for $100,000 to drill for gas.[1]

    Following the lease offer, he looked for information about natural gas drilling in the Marcellus Shale under large parts of Pennsylvania, New York, Ohio and West Virginia. He visited Dimock, Pennsylvania where natural gas drilling was already taking place. In Dimock, he met families able to light their tap water on fire as well as suffering from numerous health issues and fearing their well water had been contaminated.

    Fox then set out to see how communities are being affected in the west where a natural gas drilling boom has been underway for the last decade. He spent time with citizens in their homes and on their land as they relayed their stories of natural gas drilling in Colorado, Wyoming, Utah and Texas, among others. He spoke with residents who have experienced a variety of chronic health problems as well as contamination of their air, water wells or surface water. In some instances, the residents are reporting that they obtained a court injunction or settlement monies from gas companies to replace the affected water supplies with potable water or water purification kits

    Yeah. Get rich quick schemes always have a catch, don’t they?

  40. LornaDoone says:

    http://republicans.energycommerce.house.gov/Media/file/Letters/112th/062508DOI.pdf

    Well, THERE is an unbias source…….LOL

    Let’s see if we can find another…Oh yeah…here’s another

    http://royaldutchshellplc.com/2012/01/14/shell’s-arctic-drilling-plan-clears-hurdle/

    You know that the Republican Party and Royal Dutch Shell would never participate in propaganda about oil drilling. Personally, I’d be embarrassed to even use those as links on my comment, for the obvious bias, but when you can find nothing, even a bluff sometimes works.

    From Politifact – “Oil companies have access to 68 million acres of land, over 40 million offshore, which they are not drilling on. Drilling in open areas could significantly increase domestic oil and gas production.”

    Now that took 30 seconds to find.

  41. LornaDoone says:

    You know, it’s funny that the Republicans actually acknowledge the 68 million acres, but have all of their built-in excuses as to why they haven’t drilled as yet……AND want to tag Obama with not leasing more.

    But, it’s not politics, right?

  42. whitecap says:

    So Leslie..your premise is that the cost of oil company ads causes high gas prices? Interesting theory, but they’ve always adverstised and gas prices have not always been high. Next idea?

  43. LornaDoone says:

    whitecap – no. Leslie’s premise is that we are paying at the pump to listen to their propaganda, regardless of the price.

    As to “always advertised by not always been high”, you might want to check the history of oil advertising and you’ll find that there was a time when ecology and reducing oil consumption was their message.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gei3gpG2IYU

  44. whitecap says:

    No LD…Leslie’s premise is that expensive ads mean high gas prices. Read the letter. As to your jab calling the message “propaganda”, in my opinion it would be hard to find any ad that could not be called propaganda on some level. As to your point about oil advertising in the past, weren’t the “ecology and reducing oil consumption” ads expensive? Look, my point is that Leslie’s premise is false. Simple as that.

  45. I see this one is, as expected, chock full of the local liberal lunatics spouting off as if they were experts in the oil business! What they don’t know could fill those underground 20,000 gallon tanks at your local filling station!

    And they talk about “brainwashing”? Maybe they should stick to that…its the ONE thing the left can pull off!

  46. averageJoseph says:

    Yes, false AND an example of selective outrage. (have you seen the ads our money has paid for promoting the government take over of 1/7th of our economy?)

  47. I get a hilarious kick out of all this hand-wringing over the price of gasoline. Frankly, its just not that big a deal!

    Of course, its a hot button that the media and the LiberalLunatics love to push to stir up the masses. But then stirring people up with lies, half-truths, and propaganda is the ONE thing the Left has done well for decades!!

    When you really look at the price of gas its so insignificant as to not even be a bother! If it went up a full dollar a gallon, that would amount to an additional $15.00 on my vehicle for a fill-up. However, I am not so stupid and irresponsible as to let my tank fall below half so my fill-ups would amount to an extra $7.50! About the price of a soda and a crummy, fast food burger!!

    Lets not forget also, the well-known Liberal finger pointing that those horrible, cruel to cats and old ladies, oil companies make a nasty PROFIT! God forbid that the evil corporations make a buck! We all know the typical liberal nutcase would prefer those corporations just put that profit directly into the pockets of those lowly masses who wont find success on their own! Typical Liberal Horsepucky! Unfortunately there are so many who fall for it!

  48. Chili says, “Kluwer-same old comments on every article. “brainwashed” How about brain dead? I guess some people will always drink the Obama koolaid”

    Seems to me our Ol’buddy Kluwer is gettin hisself a reputation! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAherewegoagain!!!! :D

  49. averageJoseph says:

    Well, it is a big deal if you are that guy that ‘couldn’t go on job search because of the high price of gas’. Or the ‘teacher in S. Dakota that loved her job on an indian reservation that had to quit because the drive was too far and it was taking up too much of her pay check’. I wonder what the heck they are doing NOW. Especially considering how much food and basic necessities have risen in cost. Gee, they must not be eating.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKdScVerrBU&feature=related

  50. sumyungboi says:

    Wow. That letter is so delusional, so wrong headed on so many levels, it’s difficult to even know where to start. So, in the simplest terms, let’s just say that the oil companies are private entities, and can do what they want with their money. They have apparently decided that, long term, an ad campaign would be in their favor. The subsidies that they get are no sweeter, and less so than most large industry, and the reason that they have to spend money in the first place to try and persuade the public to embrace domestic oil production is due to the left’s war on energy. Wanna talk subsidies? How ’bout all those fantastic “green energy” companies that have never lived up to the lefts billing, and never will, while their execs are getting filthy rich off of taxpaying America as their firms crumble around them, all courtesy of the Obama administration’s underhanded deals with the elite class and the politically connected. At least the hated “big oil” produces something tangible. It’s just crazy to imagine what went through the letter writer’s mind, and depressing to know that there actually are adults who get suckered by propaganda that wouldn’t convince most seventh graders of average intelligence.

  51. Kluwer writes, “It is very easy to determine who are the easily “brainwashed” on this forum.”…Yes it is, anyone who calls themselves ‘conservative’. They should just call themselves, ‘fascist’ and be done with it”

    I have another challenge for you Kluwer. Please explain in depth, and with accuracy and truth (you wont find that word in your LiberalDictionary however!), what a Fascist is, and how your typical target, Conservatives, are Fascists.

    Haa! the brainwashed clown can barely scrape two brain cells together to form a coherent paragraph. I certainly wont hold my breath waiting to hear him come clean on another challenge! :D

  52. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    Well, THERE is an unbias source…….LOL

    Setting aside your buddy ehill’s hypocritical retort “if you can’t refute the message, attack the messenger”, it’s patently obvious you didn’t bother to educate yourself by following the links, Larryna. You asked a question, the letter from the Department of the Interior to the ranking minority member of the Democrat-Controlled House Committee on Natural Resources debunks the talking point myth you keep regurgitating. If you don’t buy it, kindly enlighten us as to your theory – I could use a good laugh.

    Then there’s the New York Times piece on the difficulties Royal Dutch Shell is encountering in executing an off-shore drilling lease in Alaska. Reeeeeallly biased stuff there, Lardna.

    See… some on the left here, really aren’t interested in the truth – not when there are so many other avenues available for them on which to get their jollies off – like distortions, distractions, diversions, obfuscations, lies innuendo, etc. etc. – and there are so many brain-dead idiots, here, willing to dance to their pathetic flute.

  53. LornaDoone says:

    OK, OK.

    So the price of tea in China and the position of Uranus makes it impossible for oil companies to drill on the 68 million acres of leases they already have, but the solution is more leases. Uh-huh.

    And they claim I’m dumb. LOL

    Meanwhile, I know this isn’t nearly as reliable as the “Don Smith Show” (video taped in Don’s basement and posted on youtube)

    but….

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LY420_U4U0I

  54. LornaDoone says:

    “Liberal Dictionary”

    A dictionary that demonstrates how conservatives miscontrue the truth.

  55. LornaDoone says:

    I had to laugh the first time I saw “Conservapedia”. I thought it was on online joke.

  56. LornaDoone says:

    “No LD…Leslie’s premise is that expensive ads mean high gas prices.”

    Well, if you want to argue this on the most simple level, the cost of advertising IS a cost of doing business and based on what we see in conservative-speak, if they didn’t have that expense they could sell their product or services cheaper.

    Isn’t that the line that gets used when the cost is “taxes”? Don’t conservatives tell us that if a company isn’t taxed so much it would lower their price to the consumer?

    Good for the goose……

  57. beerBoy – now play nicely – you know CT7 can’t even remember what he had for dinner last night.

    PAC33 – if our gas prices were as high or higher than those elsewhere the PRIVATELY owned oil companies would ship us all the oil and gas we could use.

    Even if those same PRIVATELY owned oil companies did not export 1/3 of our total domestic production our gas prices would still have gone up.

    Harley – give it up – having a majority in the Senate and being in control of the Senate are about 9 votes apart. Dems have 51 votes in the Senate, to control the Senate requires 60 votes.

    Dcr – what the zombie brained right wingers know about oil would not even fill a VW’s gas tank.

    aJo – no I have not, but I’ve seen plenty of attack ads opposing healthcare reform.

  58. Haaa! Reading through this expert opinionated drivel, one can see that the demographics of Tacoma clearly match the physical characteristics of this city….Where Tacoma is a town containing a few small pockets of decent neighborhoods, surrounded by scummy, ghetto slums….It is also a city containing a few pockets of sensible Conservatives, surrounded by swarms of Liberal screwballs! HAAAAAAAAAA!

  59. GHTaxPayer says:

    Here’s the real reason why gas prices are soaring under Obama:

    DRILLING PERMITS APPROVED Bureau of Land Management
    1992 – 2000 Clinton +58% permits approved average $1.23 gas
    2000 – 2008 Bush +116% permits approved average $1.47 gas
    2009 – present -38% permits approved average $2.96 gas

    Liberals refuse to take responsibility for their actions. They always want to blame someone else, even when you give them the facts and truth.

  60. LornaDoone says:

    “Development offshore is equally complex. An operator must obtain Geological and Geophysical
    Exploration Permits, Environmental Protection Agency National Pollutant Discharge
    Elimination System Permits, an Army Corps of Engineers Permit, Permits to-Drill, and Marine
    Mammals/Endangered Species Permits. If a lessee makes the decision to move to development,
    in addition to the nlyriad of required permits, an operator nlust file numerous plans, including
    Deepwater Operations Plalls, Oil Spill Response Plans, Hydrogen Sulfide Plans, Development
    Plans or Development Operations Coordination Documellts.”

    SO……they want more leases???????

    I’d say that they want less regulation. Well I have just a few words about that – BP DISASTER GULF OF MEXICO

  61. G.H.T. Trust a zombie brain to use the wrong data to try to prove the wrong thing.

    US crude oil production (billion barrels per day) (President)
    1993 = 6.85 Clinton
    1997 = 6.45 = – 5.8% Clinton
    2001 = 5.80 = -10.1% Bush
    2005 = 5.18 = – 10.7% Bush
    2009 = 5.36 = + 3.5% Obama
    2010 = 5.51 = + 2.8% Obama

    PS = your years show election years, mine show years in White House

  62. concernedtacoma7 says:

    So Pres Bush could have effected production in 2001? How?

    You idiots are looking for excuses, not solutions. Lardnos, where is the EPA under BHO???? He was supposed to fix the environment, pay my mortgage, and make the world love us! O for three.

    His EPA is leaving fracking alone. Every case they try, they fail. Big press release in the beginning (and BB gets a tingle up his leg) and then a few months later they quietly admit they were wrong.

    BB- I knew you would google and post, only looking at far left junk, ignoring the real news that shows the EPA has not proved a thing. I have not posted one of the many studies showing fracking safe, the inaction of the EPA is proof enough.

  63. LornaDoone says:

    CT7 – would you mind posting your comment again, but this time try to make it cohesive? Avoid false statements and don’t go out of your way to blame everything on Obama. That need to campaign against him on everything from the price of rice to the winner of last year’s Super Bowl gets real old after awhile and generally makes no sense anyway.

    “Every case they try, they fail”. How about citing one case? Of course, you can’t because you don’t have a clue what you are saying. A case could take years to develop and even get into court. Obama has only been in office since 2009 and priorities for the EPA (can you say GULF DISASTER?) will take priority.

    There is no question that Fox’s movie, Gasland, is based on real life problems with fracking and the oil companies were holding the trump card way ahead of time – Dick Cheney and the Halliburton connection. Regardless of what can “stick” in court, it doesn’t change flames coming from your faucet or your wife having tumors.

    I’d like to see you address a few of the property owners that Fox interviewed in Wyoming, Colorado and other states. It would be interesting with your attitude to see how long you lived after injecting your theories to them. They didn’t appear to be your average run of the mill urban liberals, if you know what I mean. I’d suggest they are subscribers of 2nd Amendment solutions to people like you.

  64. LornaDoone says:

    I guess the newest denial is that Bush was president in 2001.

  65. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Cookie, how long did it take to get a permit (once you find out, compare it to today), drill test wells, then get the oil from the ground? Doubt he could affect that very much.

    But nice wisea*& remark. Typical garbage from you.

  66. Frankenchrist says:

    Republicans are reponsible for skyrocketing gas prices.

    Republicans have declared a War on Women.

    Republicans hate blacks, Latinos, and Asians.

  67. yabetchya says:

    Democrats are responsible for skyrocketing gas prices.(Obama…change but no hope)
    Democrats have always waged a war on women.(Ted K,,,Clinton,,JFK,,,Edwards,,,) Rape, drunk driving with a little death throw in etc
    Democrats hate Blacks, Latinos and Aisans (Mayor of DC)

  68. “*sigh* this is going to be a long, miserable election season.”

    I have to agree, the lies from the right seem to get worse and worse, earlier and earlier, and meaner and meaner not to mention less believable for thinking people.

  69. Reading through this expert opinionated drivel, one can see that the demographics of Tacoma clearly match the physical characteristics of this city….Where Tacoma is a town containing a few small pockets of decent neighborhoods, surrounded by scummy, ghetto slums….It is also a city containing a few pockets of sensible Liberals, surrounded by swarms of conservative liars.

    Corrected for accuracy and truth.

  70. Kluwer attempts to correct with … “Corrected for accuracy and truth.”

    But it doesn’t work that way Kluwer….we all know, YOU included that Tacoma and the Puget Sound region is a predominant…VASTLY predominant area of Liberal thought. So I don’t see how your change to “”swarms of conservative liars” could work.

    Finding a Conservative in this LiberalCesspool would be like picking out a particular grain of sand in the Sahara!

    “Peace Man!!”……Peace on you too Man!! :D

  71. LornaDoone says:

    A very possible reason why we don’t want it to be “easy” to drill offshore:

    http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20120419/US.Gulf.Oil.Spill.Sick.Fish/?cid=hero_media

  72. Dcr – ‘sensible conservative’ like ‘compassionate conservative’ is and oxymoron.

    CT7 – the same way Obama could have effected production in 2008.

    Don’t look at individual years, look at the changes between years.

    Example;
    From 2001 to 2005 production fell by 10.7%.
    Between 2005 and 2008 production fell another 4.4% to 4.95 bbg.

    http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/pet_crd_crpdn_adc_mbblpd_a.htm

    Funny how production has continued to increase under Obama even if the issuance of new permits has slowed.

  73. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Xring- we have discussed here numerous times the recent uptick in production is 100% due to drilling on PRIVATE land. Drilling on FEDERAL land has gone down under BHO.

  74. CT – Once again, you go with the stawman.

    First; it does not matter where the oil comes from, overall production is up.

    Second; drilling is unrelated to production. It can take a minimum of 3 to 5 years to get a production well on line.

    Third; the oil companies export about a third of our domestic production as gas, fuel, and refined oil products.

  75. concernedtacoma7 says:

    3-5 years to get a well on line. So Bush was not at fault for the decline in production in his first 4 years and BHO gets no credit for the increase today. Thanks for proving my point!! Silly facts always get the left in trouble. Look through the rhetoric, as you just did, and you will get to the truth.

    There is hope for you yet. Next thing you know you will be supporting individual responsibility and smaller govt.

  76. In 1998 the average price for gas was $1.02 and by July 2008 it had increased to $4.02 – a 294% increase in 10 years.

    http://inflationdata.com/inflation/inflation_rate/gasoline_inflation.asp

    Interestingly, the average price of a gallon of gas from 1918 to the present is $2.49 in January 2012 inflation adjusted dollars. So it is safe to say that anytime during that period that the price of gas was above $2.49 in inflation adjusted terms it was expensive and whenever it was below that price it was cheap. So obviously when it reached $4.00 a gallon in July 2008 it was expensive. And with the average for 2011 at $3.51 we are once again expensive.

  77. Chile 74 is wrong. In North Dakota they are banging out wells in less than a year. From lease signing to production. My last one took 6 months!!!

  78. LornaDoone says:

    Navguy – thanks for the first hand account. Chile74 is FOX reruns

  79. CT7 – most of the same wells that are pumping now were already drilled when Bush was in office. It was the well owners (read oil companies) who reduced their domestic production so they could increase importation of higher priced foreign oil and gas, and to obtain more leases (especially off shore) to drill more wells.

    If you really want to blame someone for high gas prices BLAME THE OIL COMPANIES!

    Navguy – 6 months – that tells me there is an existing pipeline infrastructure to move the oil to existing refineries.

  80. because the United States is not only producing more crude oil but also using less of it. As a result, net oil imports have dropped a third since 2005.

    With such good fortune, America’s soaring pump prices seem to defy the laws of supply and demand — except for one fact: It’s increasingly not just about us.

    “The reality is that presidents have very little to do with near-term fluctuations in gasoline prices,” Frank Verrastro, director of the energy program at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, told a U.S. Senate panel last month.

    Here’s a look at five factors that do:

    1. Global crude oil price increases.
    2. Iran and other geopolitical uncertainties.
    3. Limited spare capacity.
    4. Rising worldwide demand.
    5. Refinery closures/production costs.

    http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/energy/story/2012-04-21/global-factors-gasoline-prices/54421804/1

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