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ROMNEY: Is poverty a lifestyle choice?

Letter by Fred LaMotte, Steilacoom on April 16, 2012 at 11:32 am with 63 Comments »
April 17, 2012 2:30 pm

It is commendable that, instead of getting a job picking tomatoes for Campbell Soup, Anne Romney made a “lifestyle choice” to stay home with five children. But poor women who make that choice are called welfare queens.

Few American women have such choice. They must work a job and raise a family, because it takes both parents’ incomes just to break even, given the wages corporate American pays.

Under the Romney-approved budget of Paul Ryan, women will have even more children to raise while working, since their current reproductive options will be limited. And this budget will force working parents to home-school their children somehow, because only 2 percent of our population can afford private schools, yet Republicans plan to cut public schools and the Department of Education.

These moms and dads will do it all on extremely low-wage incomes, without college degrees, because Republicans will cut community college grants for low-income students. But college is essential for decent-paying American jobs today.

Thus, under the Romney-Ryan budget, our nation will be governed by a tiny elite of the educated rich, served by masses of uneducated serfs, with women suffering the brunt of the oppression. Is this our new American dream?

It is disingenuous to say that Anne Romney made a “lifestyle choice” to stay at home with her five boys and two Cadillacs. Being born into wealth and privilege is not a choice. Or did the Romneys choose poverty, then pull themselves up by their own bootstraps?

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  1. concernedtacoma7 says:

    “Reproductive options”?

    And has the DoEd money done anything for students? Nope.

    This is nothing more than class warfare and jealousy.

    You want to succeed in life? Graduate from HS, do not get married or have kids until you are financially stable and married. Take some personal responsibility.

    Under the RYAN budget we will save our nation from default. What have the dems proposed? Nothing but unfunded giveaways.

  2. itwasntmethistime says:

    I disagree that it takes two parents’ incomes to break even. We’re doing it on one. It’s really tough, but we’re still eating every day. Of course, it depends on the standard of living you find acceptable, and we don’t live anything like Fred’s family did when his kids were still at home.

  3. Fred, you claim to be an “Inter faith Chaplain, whatever the hell that means. But you persist in bad-mouthing people who have never harmed you in any way. The Romney’s lived in a basement apartment with concrete floors, without carpets when they were first married. Mitt made some wise investments with a small amount of money given to him by his father. Ann sewed together crpet remnanats to make a carpet for their apartment. Get off of the class envy charade and stop your belly aching.

  4. spelling is due to my anger over people like “Famotte”.

  5. aislander says:

    I’ve gotta say that Mitt Romney is no Jack Kennedy…

    Yeah, he was always faithful to his wife and he earned his own money.

  6. You gotta be desperate to try to make the son of the CEO of American Motors into a Horatio Alger story.

    Granted, there is skill and talent (as well as luck) to making money through investing and Mitt did a lot more with his silver spoon than Donald Trump did but this attempt to try to paint Mitt as a rags to riches story is lame.

  7. “And this budget will force working parents to home-school their children somehow, because only 2 percent of our population can afford private schools…”

    Fred gets the award for non sequitur of the month. There is nothing in reason or logic that compels anyone to home school anyone, ever.

    Then there’s that brain-dead assertion that women’s reproductive options will be curtailed. One is reminded of Ted Kennedy’s diatribe against Judge Robert Bork:

    “Robert Bork’s America is a land in which women would be forced into back-alley abortions, blacks would sit at segregated lunch counters, rogue police could break down citizens’ doors in midnight raids, schoolchildren could not be taught about evolution, writers and artists would be censored at the whim of the government …”

    Interfaith chaplain indeed.

  8. aislander says:

    So Flamotte is saying that government schools are such a failure that we should turn over MORE of our lives to the tender mercies of the government?

    Anyway, public schools are funded mostly at the state and local level and, in any case, the Dept of Education has apparently had only a negative impact on education in America. Better to keep the money at home.

  9. BlaineCGarver says:

    WTF…only Crats could make JFK an honored saint, and Mitt a rouge scoundrel…. TNT, why does LaMotte get a letter published so often when you clearly have limits that are published for all to see?

  10. BlaineCGarver says:

    Or Kerry, or Pelosi, or any of the Left’s multi-millionaires…..BS rolls so easy off your tongues, that you don’t even see the irony of it all.

  11. denismenis says:

    Bush II was born on third and thought he hit a triple.
    Romney was on third because he fired the first and second baseman.

  12. aislander says:

    Well, yeah: poverty IS largely a “lifestyle choice.”

    If you choose:

    To finish high school

    To get ANY kind of a job

    To marry and have kids (preferably in that order) AFTER you get that job

    To stay out jail

    To avoid addiction

    To lead a stable life

    The odds are less than 3% that you will experience poverty

    What do you believe the odds are if you choose the opposite path?

  13. Pacman33 says:

    If your not good enough to be on the field, you should be cut.

    Exactly what we need in DC today, where the whole bloated team gets a MVP trophy.

  14. Pacman33 says:

    It is just too burdensome and takes too much effort to follow through with the hard work and tough decision making necessary to achieve success. Plus, that way fragile and inflated ego’s aren’t safe from the horrors of the ‘failure’ by not achieving greatness on first attempt.

    It’s much safer and stress-free to ridicule others who achieve goals in their lives. It’s way easier to pander to phobias of failure and hard work, and perform the role of a victim. Then, demanding everyone else be Equally unmotivated and weak, or at least the outcomes despite the unEqual effort put forth. In addition, recruiting others – by informing and educating victims of their victimhood – helps cope with the issues in justifying demands, through comfort in numbers.

    It’s the good life. Kick back, crack open a Hater-ade with some pals – talk trash about others who have made it, as if they were essentially criminals. Then attempt to rationalize entitlement to what they earned and own.

  15. itwasntme: you are right. I know a lot of people who, even in hard times, make it on one income. They don’t attempt to keep up with the Joneses, of course; their kids don’t have cell phones and i-pads and thousand dollar prom dresses (yes, I read that the average cost for prom today is $1,000).

    It’s a sad day when economic success and stability are viewed with such contempt. Only in America in the 21st Century, living under the leadership of liberals (most of them filthy rich) is it somehow a sin to have money.

    For those of you who enjoy citing hypocrisy, why don’t you address this bold irony?

  16. pantomancer says:

    Thank you, Aislander, for such a straight forward, accurate response to the letter’s question.
    I appreciate that you used the adverb “largely”.

  17. Concerned? So … did Romney pull up his own boot straps? And aislander? There are a lot of good people who followed the rules you stated and even got their college degrees only to find that the corporation they work for is laying them off after they train their own replacements in India. There is an increasingly large population who lives in poverty, and you wouldn’t know it by appearances. Its not always by choice, and even with all the precautions and following all the rules, you end up in the welfare line next to those who never followed the rules. Don’t think it can happen to you? It can.

  18. Frankenchrist says:

    The Ryan budget is an unmitigated giveaway to millionaires and billionaires.

    Mitt Romney is a totally clueless White Guy with zero idea of how hard working men and women are struggling these days.

    The GOP is only concerned with banning abortion and contraception.

  19. aislander says:

    I take it that you are waxing sarcastic, panto, but 97% is certainly “largely…”

  20. Thank you for this letter. It provided an excellent example of a slippery slope fallacy for my class assignment.

  21. itwasntmethistime says:

    And another thing, Fred, there is a ton of college scholarship money for kids who work their tails off and excel in high school. Go bust your butt for a transcript full of A’s and there is plenty of aid to be had. A straight-A kid can get through community college with scholarship funds and a part-time job.

    Who isn’t winning scholarships? C students. And if you’re a C student why are you going to college anyway? College isn’t supposed to be for everybody, it’s supposed to be for people good at academics. If academics aren’t your thing try trade school or on-the-job training.

    Just when did people get the idea that every kid, no matter their academic aptitude, interest, or effort level, is owed a college education?

  22. itwasntmethistime says:

    beerBoy — If I ever make it big I’m still going to make my kids do it on their own. I didn’t get a free ride and no kid of mine is going to either.

  23. itwasntme – said – “there is a ton of college scholarship money for kids who work their tails off and excel in high school. Go bust your butt for a transcript full of A’s and there is plenty of aid to be had…”

    Just like Obama succeeded but these opportunities many in the GOP want to take away.

  24. averageJoseph says:

    Obama had a transcript full of A’s?

  25. itwasnt – Community College is cheap. A student can live at home and easily pay for the tuition and books with a part-time job.

    afret – What do you think the Dems in Olympia have been doing over the last few years? – cutting education. Education is just one area that has to be cut to get to a balanced budget. By the way, Bill Clinton offered a 0 percent pay raise for the military in 1994. Your comment about the Republicans was way off base.

    Fred – this is just another one of your typical letters where you use a strawman argument. You cite examples of what Republicans will do that are complete exaggerations then criticize them – just like Obama. Romney’s grandparents were poor when they came back to the US after being kicked out of Mexico. The family became rich due to hard work. By the way, your other article cited Romney’s “unregulated” laissez-faire economics. Republicans want “less” regulation not “unregulation” – just another example of your stawman argument letters.

  26. chile – his grandparents worked! Wow, he is two-generations removed from people who actually labored for a living!

    That is called “reaching”.

    I’m curious. Aside from the fact that he is a Republican and he isn’t Obama – what exactly makes you, or anyone else, think that Mitt would make a great president?

  27. BB – give me a break, BB. “reaching” – You missed the point. Nobody handed the Romney family a check for a million bucks. The grandfather, George Romney and Mitt all earned their money by hard work and studying hard. Liberals think kids from a wealthy family automatically will be successful – total nonsense.

    Mitt is a highly inteligent, educated man – earned a joint JD and MBA at Harvard (undergrad at BYU). Nobody handed him his degrees because he was from a rich family. This is the typical jab from the left. He is for a limited government, strong military and programs that will help the poor (NOT low income people). He is a man of integrity as opposed to the “hero” of the Democratic party, Bill Clinton. He is for a balanced budget which means you have to have the courage to reform entitlements and not increase the costs of many programs (Republicans are criticized for keeping programs at the same level which is NOT a cut). Romney is a Christian and has a beautiful family so he and his wife know how hard it is to raise children (even when you are rich). I could go on about creating jobs BB but that should be enough for you. By the way, I am not a Mormon. The Democrats are running on demogoguery. Tell us that is not true, BB. Look at Fred’s letter and all of his other letters.

  28. Frankenchrist says:

    Mitt is a Vietnam draft-dodger and a spoiled rich kid.

  29. chile – while investing may be considered “hard work” by some, it isn’t hard labor.

    Trying to connect Mitt to labor through his grandparents demonstrates how even his rabid supporters know that he is completely disconnected from the realities of those who, like most of us, live paycheck to paycheck.

    Mitt has supported both sides of almost every argument yet you support him based upon his integrity.

  30. Frank – A lot of men got student deferments during Vietnam. These were all legit. I had one too then went into the Army. Others had a high lottery number and didn’t have to serve. The real draft dodger was your Democratic “hero” Bill Clinton.

    Jealousy of the rich is a mainstay of the Obama campaign. I guess you have bought into it. Do you vilify Warren Buffet? How about Bill Gates who grew up in Laurelhurst in Seattle? They are rich Democrats. The rich create jobs and donate a lot of money to charity.

  31. If Mitt is a “Vietnam draft-dodger”, what is Obama? Did anyone force him to not enlist in the military when he turned 18? Don’t bother telling me that the Vietnam war was over by the time Obama was old enough to join, I know that. He still could have joined up. BTW, where is Obama’s transcripts? If you want to blame Romney for not joining thr military, there’s a whole bunch of democrats you can add to that list, starting with the hero of the left, Bill Clinton who was running around Russia as a student during the Cold War.

  32. mcgintey says:

    One can follow all the rules, but develop an illness and work for a company w/o insurance and you are up the creek. Medical coverage is an issue that needs our attention. That and seeing that our kids don’t drop out of school in the numbers at which they currently are droppping out. Without attention to these issues our service agencies will be bust.

  33. BB – are we stretching things a bit? Most college educated people don’t have jobs that require hard labor – that’s why they went to college. I learned I didn’t want to do hard labor after working at Lockheed Shipyards one summer. White collar jobs are stressful mentally not necessarily physically.

    Rich people in general are disconnected to the rest of us. So what? That doesn’t mean they don’t know what the average American is going through. I’m sure Romney has learned about other Americans who are not as fortunate while he attended church.

    “Supported both sides of every argument”. You call yourself the person who wants to keep Republicans honest, BB. You might rethink that statement. Romney is a man of integrity. He has changed positions on some issues. Abortion – so did Reagan and Bush the elder. I am not aware of other “big” issues but I don’t have a problem with principled changes in policy. Romney is a moderate Conservative and I believe he will be willing to compromise which is what the country needs. Obama has changed positions many times since coming into office – not closing GITMO, utilizing the Patriot Act, no secret meetings, meetings covered on C-span, etc. The big lie – One America. He is now campaigning on dividing the country – is that what you are for BB?

  34. itwasntmethistime says:

    afret — The GOP cannot take away scholarships funded by private organizations. You are ridiculous.

  35. Since you maintain that you are unaware-
    Some Romney Flip Flops:

    ‘I think the minimum wage ought to keep pace with inflation.’ [1]
    ‘There’s no question raising the minimum wage excessively causes a loss of jobs.’ [2]

    ‘I like mandates. The mandates work.’ [1]
    ‘I think it’s unconstitutional on the 10th Amendment front.’ [2]

    ‘I’m not trying to return to Reagan-Bush.’ [1]
    ‘Ronald Reagan is… my hero.’ [2]

    ‘I saw my father march with Martin Luther King.’ [1]
    ‘I did not see it with my own eyes.’ [2]

    ‘I’ve been a hunter pretty much all my life.’ [1]
    ‘I’m not a big game hunter… I’ve always been a rodent and rabbit hunter. Small varmints, if you will.’ [2]

    ‘Roe v. Wade has gone too far.’ [1]
    ‘I believe that since Roe v. Wade has been the law for 20 years we should sustain and support it.’ [2]

    ‘It was not my desire to go off and serve in Vietnam.’ [1]
    ‘I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there.’ [2]

    ‘This is a completely airtight kennel mounted on the top of our car.’ [1]
    ‘They’re not happy that my dog loves fresh air.’ [2]

    ‘I respect and will protect a woman’s right to choose.’ [1]
    ‘I never really called myself pro-choice.’ [2]

    ‘I will work and fight for stem cell research.’ [1]
    ‘In the end, I became persuaded that the stem-cell debate was grounded in a false premise.’ [2]

  36. 14 Bald-Faced Mitt Romney Flip-Flops That Were Dug Up By John McCain

    #1 On Immigration – For A Path To Citizenship, Then Against

    FLIP: “Gov. Mitt Romney expressed support … for an immigration program that places large numbers of illegal residents on the path toward citizenship … Romney said illegal immigrants should have a chance to obtain citizenship.” (Evan Lehmann, “Romney Supports Immigration Program, But Not Granting ‘Amnesty’,” The Lowell Sun, 3/30/06)

    FLOP: “[I] think I’m best off to describe my own positions. And my positions, I think I’ve just described for you – secure the border, employment verification and no special pathway to citizenship. I feel that’s the course we ought to take.” (CNN’s “The Situation Room,” 5/22/07)

    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/14-bald-faced-mitt-romney-flip-flops-that-were-dug-up-by-john-mccain-2012-1#1-on-immigration-for-a-path-to-citizenship-then-against-1#ixzz1sJjyjfiK

  37. 2) On George W. Bush’s Tax-Cuts

    FLIP: “[R]omney spoke at the 10th annual legislative conference organized by U.S. Rep. Martin T. Meehan (D-Lowell) and met with the Massachusetts delegation. … Congressional sources said that a point of contention arose when Romney refused to take a position on Bush’s massive, 10-year tax cut plan.” (Noelle Straub, “Romney Talks Policy With Bush Staffers, Mass. Delegation,” Boston Herald, 4/11/03)

    FLOP: “McCain opposed President Bush’s tax cuts, Romney noted. ‘I supported them,’ the former governor said.” (Lee Bandy, “Romney Targeting McCain,” The State [SC], 2/4/07)

    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/14-bald-faced-mitt-romney-flip-flops-that-were-dug-up-by-john-mccain-2012-1#2-on-george-w-bushs-tax-cuts-2#ixzz1sJkCnqWU

  38. 3) Anti-Reagan then, now Pro-Reagan.

    FLIP: “I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I’m not trying to return to Reagan- Bush,” Mitt Romney said during a debate with Ted Kennedy

    FLOP: “‘Ronald Reagan is one of my heroes,’ Romney said as he praised Reagan’s strategy for winning the Cold War: ‘We win; they lose.’” (Michael Levenson, “Romney Links Gay Marriage, US Prestige,” The Boston Globe, 2/26/05)

    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/14-bald-faced-mitt-romney-flip-flops-that-were-dug-up-by-john-mccain-2012-1#3-anti-reagan-then-now-pro-reagan-3#ixzz1sJkO4Lle

  39. 4) On The National Rifle Association And Gun Laws

    FLIP: “[Romney] said he will take stands that put him at odds with some traditional ultra- conservative groups, and cited his support for the assault rifle ban and the Brady gun control law. ‘That’s not going to make me the hero of the NRA,’ he said. ‘I don’t line up with a lot of special interest groups.’” (Andrew Miga, “Mitt Rejects Right-Wing Aid,” Boston Herald, 9/23/94)

    FLOP: Romney told a Derry, N.H., audience, ‘I’m after the NRA’s endorsement. I’m not sure they’ll give it to me. I hope they will. I also joined because if I’m going to ask for their endorsement, they’re going to ask for mine.’” (Glen Johnson, “Romney Calls Himself A Longtime Hunter,” The Associated Press, 4/5/07)

    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/14-bald-faced-mitt-romney-flip-flops-that-were-dug-up-by-john-mccain-2012-1#4-on-the-national-rifle-association-and-gun-laws-4#ixzz1sJkVotU0

  40. 14 Bald-Faced Mitt Romney Flip-Flops That Were Dug Up By John McCain

    5/18
    5) On Whether He Even Owns A Gun (This story changed within just a few days)

    FLIP: “I have a gun of my own. I go hunting myself. I’m a member of the NRA and believe firmly in the right to bear arms,” Romney said. (Glenn And Helen Show, http://www.glennandhelenshow.com, 1/10/07)

    FLOP: “Asked by reporters at the gun show Friday whether he personally owned a gun, Romney said he did not. He said one of his sons, Josh, keeps two guns at the family vacation home in Utah, and he uses them ‘from time to time.’” (Scott Helman, “Romney Retreats On Gun Control,” The Boston Globe, 1/14/07)

    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/14-bald-faced-mitt-romney-flip-flops-that-were-dug-up-by-john-mccain-2012-1#5-on-whether-he-even-owns-a-gun-this-story-changed-within-just-a-few-days-5#ixzz1sJkiDoOt

  41. 6) Is the planet warming? Mitt probably agreed with you at one time or another.

    FLIP: “I think the global warming debate is now pretty much over and people recognize the need associated with providing sources which do not generate the heat that is currently provided by fossil fuels …” (Jack Coleman, “Massachusetts Governor Urges Use Of Alternative Energy,” Cape Cod Times, 3/14/03)

    “I concur that climate change is beginning to [have an] effect on our natural resources and that now is the time to take action …” (“Romney OK With Plan On Emissions,” Boston Herald, 7/24/03)

    FLOP: “I have to tell you with regards to global warming that that’s something, which, you’re right, the scientists haven’t entirely resolved, but no question about one thing, it’s getting warmer, and a lot of good reasons for us to use less energy, to use it more efficiently and to develop sources here in this country that could allow us to be more independent of foreign sources.” (CNBC’s “Kudlow & Company,” 2/7/07)

    “Unfortunately, some in the Republican Party are embracing the radical environmental ideas of the liberal left. As governor, I found that thoughtful environmentalism need not be anti-growth and anti-jobs. But Kyoto-style sweeping mandates, imposed unilaterally in the United States, would kill jobs, depress growth and shift manufacturing to the dirtiest developing nations. Republicans should never abandon pro-growth conservative principles in an effort to embrace the ideas of Al Gore.” (Romney For President, Press Release, 2/23/07)

    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/14-bald-faced-mitt-romney-flip-flops-that-were-dug-up-by-john-mccain-2012-1#6-is-the-planet-warming-mitt-probably-agreed-with-you-at-one-time-or-another-6#ixzz1sJksbktc

  42. 7) Don’t Ask Don’t Tell? Don’t Ask Mitt Romney

    FLIP: In 1994 “[Romney] called President Bill Clinton’s ‘don’t ask, don’t tell’ military policy ‘the first of a number of steps that will ultimately lead to gays and lesbians being able to serve openly and honestly in our nation’s military.’” (Dan Balz and Shailagh Murray, “Mass. Governor’s Rightward Shift Raises Questions,” The Washington Post, 12/21/06)

    FLOP: “[Romney] defended his policy switch on gays in the military. He said when he first heard the phrase ‘don’t ask, don’t tell,’ he thought it was ‘kind of a silly phrase that didn’t make a lot of sense.’ But the last 10 years have convinced him that the policy is working and there is no reason to change it, he said.” (Alexa Aguilar, “Romney Campaigns In Chicago,” Chicago Tribune, 4/12/07)

    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/14-bald-faced-mitt-romney-flip-flops-that-were-dug-up-by-john-mccain-2012-1#7-dont-ask-dont-tell-dont-ask-mitt-romney-7#ixzz1sJl0lKba

  43. 8) Has your position on same-sex marriage changed? So has Mitt Romney’s.

    FLIP: When a 2002 Constitutional Amendment was proposed to ban same-sex marriage, Romney opposed it. “Romney’s family members signed the petition to put it on the ballot ‘without reading the fine print,’ [Romney aide Eric] Fehrnstrom said, but he has no reason to believe they do not support it. ‘Mitt did not know they signed it, and Mitt does not support it,’ he said. ‘As far as Mitt is concerned, it goes farther than current law, and therefore it’s unnecessary.’” (Rick Klein, “Romney Kin Signed Petition To Ban Same-Sex Marriage,” The Boston Globe, 3/22/02)

    FLOP: “Just two weeks before lawmakers resume a Constitutional Convention to vote on a proposed ballot initiative to ban same-sex marriage, Gov. Mitt Romney will stand with the supporters of the measure to call on the Legislature to back it. Romney will join petition backers in a State House press event today to urge the Legislature to pass the Protection of Marriage Amendment when the Constitutional Convention reconvenes July 12, authorizing a 2008 ballot question asking voters to define marriage as between one man and one woman.” (Kimberly Atkins and Kate Gibson, “Mitt Joining Supporters Of Anti-Gay Wed Initiative,” Boston Herald, 6/28/06)

    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/14-bald-faced-mitt-romney-flip-flops-that-were-dug-up-by-john-mccain-2012-1#8-has-your-position-on-same-sex-marriage-changed-so-has-mitt-romneys-8#ixzz1sJlEIIH6

  44. 9) On embryonic stem cell research, Romney’s still developing a fully-formed position.

    FLIP: “Speaking at a bioethics forum, GOP gubernatorial hopeful Mitt Romney yesterday endorsed embryonic stem cell research … [Romney] endorsed embryonic stem cell research, saying the controversial science might one day help treat his wife’s multiple sclerosis in addition to numerous other degenerative diseases. … Romney spoke extensively about his position on stem cell research, which also involves embryo destruction.” (Raja Mishra, “Romney Endorses Stem Cell Research, Is Silent On Cloning,” The Boston Globe, 6/14/02)

    FLOP: …On Feb. 10, 2005 … Romney came out strongly against the cloning technique … He vowed to press for legislation to criminalize the work. Romney’s opposition stunned scientists, lawmakers, and observers because of his past statements endorsing, at least in general terms, embryonic stem cell research.” (Scott Helman, “Romney’s Journey To The Right,” The Boston Globe, 12/17/06)

    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/14-bald-faced-mitt-romney-flip-flops-that-were-dug-up-by-john-mccain-2012-1#9-on-embryonic-stem-cell-research-romneys-still-developing-a-fully-formed-position-9#ixzz1sJnEiBZy

  45. 10) Favorite Book? Well, that depends.

    FLIP: FOX NEWS’ MARTHA MCCALLUM: And an interesting response to his favorite novel. ROMNEY: “Actually the one by L. Ron Hubbard, I hate to think … I’m not in favor of his religion by any means, but he wrote a book called ‘Battlefield Earth’ that was a very fun science fiction book.” (Fox News’ “Fox & Friends,” 4/30/07)

    FLOP (Maybe just a hedge): “Asked about his comments during a Fox News interview Monday that L. Ron Hubbard’s ‘Battlefield Earth’ is his favorite novel, Romney said Huckleberry Finn is his favorite fiction and that the book by Hubbard, who founded Scientology, is his favorite science fiction reading.” (Mary Anne Ostrom, “Education Should Determine Immigrants’ Legal Status, Mitt Romney Says,” The [San Jose, CA] Mercury News, 5/1/07)

    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/14-bald-faced-mitt-romney-flip-flops-that-were-dug-up-by-john-mccain-2012-1#10-favorite-book-well-that-depends-10#ixzz1sJnSwrrh

  46. 11) His Own Health-Care Initiative. He’s Not Sure About That Either.

    FLIP: “In a Colonial-era hall, with a fife-and-drum corps marching in with him, Gov. Mitt Romney (R) signed a bill Wednesday requiring all Massachusetts residents to purchase health insurance — portraying the measure as a historic solution to health-care costs, even as questions emerge about whether the state can afford it. The signing [was] staged with a near-presidential attention to theatrics and slogan-bearing banners…” (David A. Fahrenthold, “Mass. Marks Health-Care Milestone,” The Washington Post, 4/13/06)

    FLOP: “As governor of Massachusetts he signed a bipartisan law intended to ensure that every resident has coverage. Romney touted it as an innovative free-market solution. Yet these days, Romney … is much more likely to present his state’s universal coverage law as not a model to copy but an example for other states to learn from. He’s now a critic of his own biggest achievement.” (Sean Higgins, “Ex-Gov. Romney Keeps Distance From His Own Mass. Health Plan,” Investor’s Business Daily, 3/7/07)

    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/14-bald-faced-mitt-romney-flip-flops-that-were-dug-up-by-john-mccain-2012-1#11-his-own-health-care-initiative-hes-not-sure-about-that-either-11#ixzz1sJnfeHt0

  47. 12) Tax Pledges are beneath Romney, until the presidency was in front of him.

    FLIP: “Four years ago, Mitt Romney broke with GOP tradition and refused to sign the [Americans for Tax Reform] pledge [to ‘oppose and veto any and all efforts to increase taxes’].” (Lisa Wangsness, “Healey Will Sign Antitax Pledge,” The Boston Globe, 9/4/06)

    “Romney’s Gubernatorial Campaign Spokesman, Eric Fehrnstrom, Dismissed Such Pledges At The Time As ‘Government By Gimmickry.’” (Scott Helman, “Romney Finds ‘No New Taxes’ Promise Suits Him After All,” The Boston Globe, 1/5/07)

    FLOP: “Almost five years after he refused to sign a ‘no new taxes’ pledge during his campaign for governor, Mitt Romney announced … that he had done just that, as his campaign for the 2008 Republican presidential nomination began in earnest.” (Scott Helman, “Romney Finds ‘No New Taxes’ Promise Suits Him After All,” The Boston Globe, 1/5/07)

    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/14-bald-faced-mitt-romney-flip-flops-that-were-dug-up-by-john-mccain-2012-1#12-tax-pledges-are-beneath-romney-until-the-presidency-was-in-front-of-him-12#ixzz1sJnucLlD

  48. 13) Money in politics? Sometimes its good, sometimes it is bad.

    FLIP: “Romney also said he advocates spending limits on congressional elections, even suggesting that the current race against Sen. Edward M. Kennedy should have a $6 million spending cap.” (Frank Phillips, “Romney, Vowing To Live It, Touts Congress Reform Plan,” The Boston Globe, 7/27/94)

    “[Mitt Romney] once touted dramatic restructuring measures such as taxing political contributions and placing spending limits on federal campaigns.” (Alexander Bolton, “Romney’s About-Face On Campaign Funding,” The Hill, 2/8/07)

    FLOP: “Romney noted his foe from Arizona wrote the McCain-Feingold campaign finance reform law that restricts certain types of contributions. ‘That’s a terrible piece of legislation,’ Romney said. ‘It hasn’t taken the money out of politics. … (But) it has hurt my party.’” (Lee Bandy, “Romney Targeting McCain,” The State, 2/4/07)

    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/14-bald-faced-mitt-romney-flip-flops-that-were-dug-up-by-john-mccain-2012-1#13-money-in-politics-sometimes-its-good-sometimes-it-is-bad-13#ixzz1sJo4UToK

  49. 14) NOW THE BIG ONE: During his 1994 Senate Run, Mitt Romney argued that he was more pro-choice than Ted Kennedy

    FLIP: “When Kennedy called him ‘multiple choice,’ Romney demanded an extra rebuttal. He revealed that a close relative died of an illegal abortion years ago and said, ‘Since that time, my mother and my family have been committed to the belief that we can believe as we want, but we will not force our beliefs on others on that matter, and you will not see me wavering on that.’” (Joan Vennochi, “Romney’s Revolving World,” The Boston Globe, 3/2/06)

    “I believe that abortion should be safe and legal in this country. I have since the time that my mom took that position when she ran in 1970 as a US Senate candidate. I believe that since Roe v. Wade has been the law for 20 years we should sustain and support it.” (Joan Vennochi, “Romney’s Revolving World,” The Boston Globe, 3/2/06)

    When he went to conservative Utah, that tune changed.

    FLOP: “When I am asked if I am pro-choice or pro-life, I say I refuse to accept either label.” (Glen Warchol, “This Is The Place, But Politics May Lead Romneys Elsewhere,” The Salt Lake Tribune, 2/14/99)

    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/14-bald-faced-mitt-romney-flip-flops-that-were-dug-up-by-john-mccain-2012-1#14-continued-when-he-went-to-conservative-utah-that-tune-changed-15#ixzz1sJoSZJj1

  50. 14 (continued) But I’m running for office in Massachusetts again, so I’m pro-choice again

    FLIP: “I will preserve and protect a woman’s right to choose, and am devoted and dedicated to honoring my word in that regard. I will not change any provisions of Massachusetts’ pro-choice laws.” (2002 Romney-O’Brien Gubernatorial Debate, Suffolk University, Boston, MA, 10/29/02)

    In 2002, Romney Offered His Completed NARAL Questionnaire, Filled Out With “Mostly Abortion-Rights Positions,” To The Media Even Before Returning It To NARAL. “Yesterday, Romney also aimed to head off confusion about his stance on abortion rights by answering a Mass National Abortion and Reproductive Rights Action League questionnaire with mostly abortion-rights positions. He offered the questionnaire to the press even before he returned it to MassNARAL…”

    14 (continued) FLOP: Then he started thinking of national office as a Republican. ANd he happened to have a revelation

    FLOP: “Romney said he had a change of heart on the issue after speaking with a stem-cell researcher, Dr. Douglas Melton. Romney claims Melton said ‘Look, you don’t have to think about this stem cell research as a moral issue, because we kill the embryos after 14 days.’

    ‘It hit me very hard that we had so cheapened the value of human life in a Roe v. Wade environment that it was important to stand for the dignity of human life,’ Romney says.” (Karen Tumulty, “What Romney Believes,” Time, 5/21/07)

    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/14-bald-faced-mitt-romney-flip-flops-that-were-dug-up-by-john-mccain-2012-1#14-continued-flop-then-he-started-thinking-of-national-office-as-a-republican-and-he-happened-to-have-a-revelation-17#ixzz1sJotHA00

  51. itwasntmethistime says:

    bB — TLDR

  52. yabetchya says:

    Just a few of Obama’s flip flops
    1. Keeping Guantanamo open

    Undoubtedly Obama’s biggest flip-flop, his decision to keep the Guantanamo detention facility in operation has outraged his liberal supporters and ‘shocked’ European governments, who, needless to say, had overwhelmingly declined to take large numbers of dangerous terror suspects off the hands of the US government.

    As a presidential candidate in 2008, Obama had condemned President Bush for supposedly “running prisons which lock people away without telling them why they’re there or what they’re charged with”, and signed an executive order shutting the facility down immediately upon taking office. Two years later Guantanamo still holds 172 detainees, and plays a vital role in the long war against Islamist terrorism.

    2. Bringing back military tribunals for terror suspects

    As a presidential candidate, Barack Obama was a firm opponent of the Bush administration’s military tribunals, which he said “failed to establish a legitimate legal framework and undermined our capacity to ensure swift and certain justice.” But, as The New York Times reported last week, “President Obama on Monday reversed his two-year-old order halting new military charges against detainees at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, permitting military trials to resume with revamped procedures but implicitly admitting the failure of his pledge to close the prison camp”, paving the way for 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and four co-conspirators to face trial at Guantanamo.

    3. Continuing renditions of terror suspects

    In a 2007 Foreign Affairs article, Senator Obama gave a strong indication that he would end the Bush administration practice of rendition of terror suspects:

    “To build a better, freer world, we must first behave in ways that reflect the decency and aspirations of the American people… This means ending the practices of shipping away prisoners in the dead of night to be tortured in far-off countries, of detaining thousands without charge or trial, of maintaining a network of secret prisons to jail people beyond the reach of the law.”

    But, as The New York Times reported in August 2009, the Obama administration’s Interrogation and Transfer Task Force announced that it would retain renditions, but with what The Times referred to as “more oversight”.

  53. yabetchya says:

    and more
    4. Ordering military action in Libya without seeking Congressional authorisation

    President Obama has shown a striking lack of consistency with regard to the question of Congressional authorisation and the use of force. In a 2007 interview with The Boston Globe, then Senator Obama declared:

    “The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation. In instances of self-defense, the President would be within his constitutional authority to act before advising Congress or seeking its consent. History has shown us time and again, however, that military action is most successful when it is authorized and supported by the Legislative branch. It is always preferable to have the informed consent of Congress prior to any military action.”

    However, as president in March 2011, Barack Obama authorised military action against the Libyan regime without consulting Congress, a decision which drew heavy fire on Capitol Hill.

    5. Dropping Third Site missile defences in order to appease the Russians

    In his Prague speech in April 2009, President Obama pledged to move forward with the Bush-era plans for Third Site missile defences in Poland and the Czech Republic:

    So let me be clear: Iran’s nuclear and ballistic missile activity poses a real threat, not just to the United States, but to Iran’s neighbors and our allies. The Czech Republic and Poland have been courageous in agreeing to host a defense against these missiles. As long as the threat from Iran persists, we will go forward with a missile defense system that is cost-effective and proven.

    Just six months later however, the Obama administration surrendered to Russian demands, and dramatically dropped plans for Third Site. As I noted at the time, “this was a shameful abandonment of America’s friends in eastern and central Europe, and a slap in the face for those who actually believed a key agreement with Washington was worth the paper it was written on.”

    6. Letting Sudan off the hook for the Darfur genocide

    In 2004, Senator Obama was a prominent supporter of a “humanitarian intervention” to halt state-sponsored mass killing in Darfur, declaring in a speech that “we cannot, in good conscience, stand by and let the genocide continue.” He advocated tough UN sanctions against the brutal regime of Omar Hassan al-Bashir, which “should freeze the assets of the Sudanese government, its leaders and business affiliates; outlaw arms sales and transfers to Sudan; and prohibit the purchase of Chinese oil.”

    However, as president, Obama dramatically changed his tune, extending the hand of friendship to Bashir, despite the fact the Sudanese government and its proxy Janjaweed Arab militias had butchered hundreds of thousands of people. As Obama’s special envoy to Sudan, retired Air Force Major General J. Scott Gration put it, describing the new strategy of appeasement:

    “We’ve got to think about giving out cookies. Kids, countries — they react to gold stars, smiley faces, handshakes, agreements, talk, engagement.”

  54. yabetchya says:

    by the Legislative branch. It is always preferable to have the informed consent of Congress prior to any military action.”

    and more
    7. Backing a federal Europe after defending national sovereignty

    In July 2009 the president made a striking defence of the principle of national sovereignty in a speech he gave at the New Economic School in Moscow. President Obama spoke in eloquent terms of:

    “America’s interest in an international system that advances cooperation while respecting the sovereignty of all nations. State sovereignty must be a cornerstone of international order. Just as all states should have the right to choose their leaders, states must have the right to borders that are secure, and to their own foreign policies. That is true for Russia, just as it is true for the United States. Any system that cedes those rights will lead to anarchy.”

    His administration, however, has done all it can to advance the pooling of national sovereignty in Europe, and the rise of a European superstate. In her meeting with EU Foreign Policy chief Baroness Ashton in January, Hillary Clinton described the Lisbon Treaty, a blueprint for a European federal superstate, as “a major milestone in our world’s history”, and Obama’s Ambassador to London, Louis Susman, told a group of MEPs in Brussels that “all key issues must run through Europe.”

    8. Pledging to restore America’s standing in the world but lowering it instead

    A key foreign policy theme of the Obama presidential election campaign was the notion that President Bush had damaged America’s image on the world stage, with his supposedly ‘cowboy’ policies. In the words of a campaign document, “Barack Obama and Joe Biden will restore America’s standing in the world by providing a new American leadership to meet the challenges of a new century”.

    As president, however, Obama has done exactly the opposite, insulting key allies such as Great Britain, Israel and Poland, projecting weak leadership, and undermining the standing of the United States as the world’s only superpower. As I’ve noted before:

    No American president in modern times has invested less effort in maintaining US alliances than Barack Obama. Whether it is siding with Marxists in Honduras against pro-American forces, condemning Israel, throwing the Poles and Czechs under the bus, or trashing the Anglo-American Special Relationship, the Obama administration has gone out of its way to kick its allies in the teeth while kowtowing to America’s enemies. For a president who boasted in his election campaign of restoring America’s “standing” in the world, Obama has done a spectacularly bad job of preserving friendships with Washington’s closest friends.

    9. Dumping Mubarak in Egypt after calling him a “stalwart ally”

    Big picture foreign policy strategy has not been a forté of this administration, as demonstrated by its inconsistent policy on Egypt and the Middle East. In an interview with the BBC’s Justin Webb in June 2009, when asked if he viewed President Mubarak as an authoritarian ruler, President Obama declared:

    No, I tend not to use labels for folks. I haven’t met him; I’ve spoken to him on the phone. He has been a stalwart ally, in many respects, to the United States. He has sustained peace with Israel, which is a very difficult thing to do in that region, but he has never resorted to unnecessary demagoguing of the issue and has tried to maintain that relationship. So I think he has been a force for stability and good in the region.

    20 months later, the White House emphatically called for Mubarak to go.

    10. Killing the NASA manned space programme

    In August 2008, Senator Obama announced, as The Washington Post noted, “a detailed comprehensive space plan that includes $2 billion in new funding to reinvigorate NASA”. In the president’s words:

    “As president, I’ll make our space program a priority again by devoting the attention and resources needed to not only inspire the world with feats of exploration but also improve life here on Earth.”

    But, as The Washington Post reported in March 2010, President Obama later shattered the dreams of the NASA community with a decision “to kill NASA’s Constellation program, crafted during the Bush administration with an ambitious goal of putting astronauts back on the moon by 2020.” In the words of Harrison Schmitt, a former US senator and Apollo 17 astronaut: “It’s bad for the country. This administration really doesn’t believe in American exceptionalism.

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/nilegardiner/100083104/the-u-turn-president-barack-obama-top-ten-flip-flops/

  55. What a creep.
    The excessive text isn’t for dramatic purposes, is it?
    If I were to attempting artificially exaggerate a thin claim relying on mere bandwidth drag, I would have chose something other than the feeble NRA/rifle malarkey to repeat THREE times.
    A) I own a gun
    B) I have a gun in the house that I own

    Whoa. Come on bB, you can stretch it out more than that. And do it while telling us about integrity. Tell us about the rabbit’s again Geor… beerBoy.

  56. Pacman – Just posting what the McCain campaign came up with. That’s the great thing about Romney….the Republicans have already done the research.

    Gotta love the GOP – they have a campaign between candidates they have already rejected. Ron Paul has been rejected several times, Santorum was dumped by a landslide, Gingrich was forced to step down, and Romney was rejected in 2008 in favor of the last guy who couldn’t beat Obama.

    Tell me – aside from running for President, what has Romney done since he last ran for President that makes him a good choice this time?

  57. My goodness it didn’t take the right wing sheep long to fall in line and support for their ‘chosen’ mittens!
    Look at the lengths they go to defend him.
    We knew it would happen, they are robots after all, but it sure happened faster than I expected.

  58. “The grandfather, George Romney and Mitt all earned their money by hard work and studying hard.”

    Yep, the CEO of General Motors/US Senator/Governors kids are world renown for their hard work and the amount they ‘earn’.
    Are you people this silly?

  59. Nice list BB. Yabetchya did the dirty work for me. I could have come up with a list which is online of the countless promises Obama has made and then broken them. It doesn’t prove anything except you wanted to make a point. Point well taken.

    Romney has changed his positions on a variety of subjects and guess what, so has Obama. Until Romney becomes President, you can’t say he lied to us on his campaign promises. Obama completely lied when he talked about ONE America since we saw it played out on day one. He lied about knowing Bill Ayers when in fact they were on two foundation boards together. Obama completely hoodwinked the American people.

    You didn’t answer any of MY questions, BB Are you all for dividing the country which is Obama’s campaign is all about?

    Kluwer – do you really have a clue? Go back to your long haul truck.

  60. Pacman – the fact that you are quoting Lennie Small seems appropriate to your level of understanding. Hopefully though, you can avoid Lennie’s fate at the end of the book.

  61. chile – you do the same thing 3rdpig does – when asked to provide solid reasons why Romney would be a good president you end up attacking me for supporting Obama.

    I don’t support Obama.

    I think Romney would be worse than Obama.

    That doesn’t equate to support for Obama.

    I am not voting for either of them.

    All of your platitudes of how much integrity this Christian family man has are meaningless. Even if I believed it. Jimmy Carter has far more integrity than any of the recent presidents. Very few think his presidency was an overwhelming success.

  62. Hey BB – didn’t know you got up early. I will hold my fire next time.
    OK – you don’t support either. I will just say I disagree with you about Obama and Romney. You proved your point about Romney changing positions but I will take the country I grew up in (with Romney) over the Obama vision of “fairness”. As an intellectual BB, I would think you could easily see that this fairness issue is a farce and reject it or even expose it for what it is – a campaign gimmick to appeal to the have-nots and the uninformed. Vilify anyone who disagrees with you is the name of that game (sorry I am guilty at times) and mislead the public with a great speech that has misleading or false facts. Am I wrong?

  63. The country I grew up in changed considerably from Reagan-on…

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