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GUNS: Let’s challenge the Second Amendment

Letter by Lisa R. Harmon, Auburn on April 16, 2012 at 11:29 am with 45 Comments »
April 16, 2012 1:57 pm

Bill Cosby said it right. It’s all about the gun.

Take the gun out of the Trayvon Martin equation, and you have a racist with a few bruises. You don’t have a dead man. What’s a small-time neighborhood watch patrol doing wielding a gun in the first place?

When access to firearms is easier than access to health care, something isn’t right. And when 3-year-olds are finding guns under the seat of the family car, someone needs to be brave enough to challenge the Second Amendment.

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  1. Lisa, and just how do you propose getting the guns away from the thugs that dirty up out cities?

  2. “our” cities.

  3. Actually, what Cosby said is that it is about a neighborhood watch captain going beyond his job to watch, report and get out of the way, because of his gun. He was very specific – he blamed that gun – not all guns.

    “I’m a person who believes that that gun, that gun, all around this United States — when a person has a gun sometimes their mind clicks that this thing is, it will win arguments and straighten people out, and then in the wrong hands and the wrong mind, it’s death,” he said on CNN in an interview that aired Sunday.

    He said he wasn’t talking about having a gun for self-defense in the home, but made the point “that when you tell me that you’re going to protect the neighborhood that I live in, I don’t want you to have a gun.

    “I want you to be able to see something, report it, and get out of the way. … I don’t want you to get hurt, and I don’t want to hurt anyone.”

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/gossip/2012/04/bill-cosby-gun-trayvon-martin-cnn.html

  4. Simple solution – conduct random warrentless searches and anyone without a valid state ID and a current NTA Membership card immediately and permanently losses all righrs, privilages, and protection granted by the Constitution.

  5. NRA Membership

  6. aislander says:

    xring: Thanks for ratifying my assertion that liberalism is, at its core, coercive and authoritarian…

    If you are, however, trying to take a shot(!) at voter ID laws, the way we treat felons, and the Supreme Court, well, you’re unequipped to pull that off.

  7. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    Take the gun out of the Trayvon Martin equation, and you have a racist with a few bruises.

    Now I thought we were supposed to believe this wasn’t about racism.

    Guess Lisa didn’t get the new talking poin… er, memo.

  8. cclngthr says:

    beerBoy,
    You also have to remember that Bill Cosby’s views are skewed as well because his son was killed; although I can’t guarantee that it was gun violence, I think it was.

    Taking guns away from law abiding citizens will only result in law abiding citizens being killed more.

  9. BlaineCGarver says:

    That darn old Bill of Rights sure is inconvenient at times. You have a better chance of putting Blacks in the back of the bus, and keeping Women out of public office, and suspending their right to vote than you do trying to take legally owned guns away from citizens. You People are losing your rights at an alarming rate, so don’t lose the means to keep them when “they” go after yours.

  10. alindasue says:

    What we really need are regulations about what is acceptable neighborhood watch procedure. Without them, the line between “neighborhood watch” and vigilante group is too easy to cross.

  11. Pacman33 says:

    One regulation should be to educate the naive; that it’s called ‘neighborhood watch’ for a reason and not ‘neighborhood ignore strangers wandering through gated communities”.

    The second regulation should be not to follow a stranger in your neighborhood unless you are armed. Even if the stranger doesn’t have a gun, there are many other objects they can use to take your life, including a concrete slab.

  12. Thanks for the tip Pac33. I guess I’ll have to drive to Auburn and buy a dozen. Now get back on your meds Pac.

  13. alindasue says:

    Pacman33,

    It is because of “neighborhood watch” people with your attitude that I feel an established set of standardized guidelines should be created.

    It is called “neighborhood watch” because neighbors are to watch the neighborhood and alert the authorities and each other if there is suspicious activity. It is not called “neighborhood take the law into your own hands”.

    The problem is not when someone owns or carries a gun. The problem is when that person carrying the gun feels the need to play law enforcement and disregards caution in a way that he probably would not if he were not armed, putting himself and others in danger.

  14. averageJoseph says:

    When access to firearms is easier than access to health care

    I want to know where that gun shop is. The one where I can walk in or call any time of day or night and get a ride there. The one where they have to give me a fire arm whether I can pay for it or not.

  15. In 2005 Zimmerman was charged with resisting arrest with violence and battery of a law enforcement officer. That same year, his ex-fiance filed for a domestic violence restraining order, which was granted.

    And yet this guy was appointed neighborhood watch captain. And, apparently, no one thought there might be a problem with this guy with a propensity towards violence carrying a loaded weapon while he patrolled his neighborhood in his pseudo-official role.

  16. Lisa: If you take the gun out of the equation, what you have is a resident lawfully questioning the validity of presence of an individual in his neighborhood which would have led to an assault on that resident which would likely have ended with the resident injured.
    I seriously doubt that Zimmerman was chasing Martin down the street with a gun displayed. If he did, Martin likely was in fear for his life. If Martin had just stopped, answered to Zimmerman, and waited for police, he would likely still be alive. Granted, in this country, you have freedom to walk down the street without molestation, however, the attitude of “screw you, I don’t have to answer to you” is being less and less accepted. If you come to my neighborhood, be prepared to explain what you are doing here, or you will be hemmed up. No vigilante justice, just face down at gunpoint until the Sheriff can get here.

  17. alindasue says:

    S2E said, “No vigilante justice, just face down at gunpoint until the Sheriff can get here.”

    What would you do if you were visiting friends or relatives in Florida for a few weeks and on the way home from a local convenience store one night, some guy you didn’t know in a vehicle started to follow you? What would you do if he got out of his car, started chasing you, had a gun and he didn’t look like a police officer (or identify himself as such)?

    I don’t know about you but I’d try hard as heck to get away from the guy. If I couldn’t shake him, I’d at least try to disarm him so he couldn’t shoot me.

    The main point is that there should NEVER be any “face down at gunpoint” in a neighborhood watch situation. Cop-wannabes who feel the need for such situations are just unskilled tragedies waiting to happen.

  18. S2E Your logic is so tortured you end up contradicting yourself within single sentences:

    I seriously doubt that Zimmerman was chasing Martin down the street with a gun displayed. If he did, Martin likely was in fear for his life.

    Someone “in fear for his life” runs AWAY from not chases.

    Zimmerman, as Watch Captain, had the right to Observe and Report – that is all
    No vigilante justice, just face down at gunpoint until the Sheriff can get here.

    A member of a volunteer committee following someone, demanding them to answer your questions, forcing them to “just face down at gunpoint” is the very definition of vigilante.

    Definition of VIGILANTE
    : a member of a volunteer committee organized to suppress and punish crime summarily (as when the processes of law are viewed as inadequate); broadly : a self-appointed doer of justice

    Seriously – do you think about what you type?

  19. Just reread the quote of yours I posted – clearly Martin had a good reason to be in fear for his life.

  20. Here we go again, the uninformed trying a case without knowing the facts. I wonder how many of these “experts” proclaimed O.J.Simpson “innocent” before he was tried in a court? Libs will stoop to any level to attempt to appear to be caring, loving, anti-racists but somehow always manage to bring race into the equation. The real racists are those who see a Klansman hiding in every closet and under every bed, they are consumed with their fear of being exposed as the real racists in this country. Does anyone doubt for a minute that Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are not the epitome of what a racist really is?

  21. Theefrinker says:

    The Second Amendment has always been misunderstood, and will continue to be, henceforward. People skip right past the allusion made in the first half of it and focus only on the “bear arms” and “infringe” portions. But it is impossible to extinguish guns and gun ownership, so there’s hardly any sense in trying to “fix” anything.

  22. sumyungboi says:

    The TNT, as whacko far left as they are, should still be ashamed of themselves for printing such strange drivel.

    Letter writer: “Take the gun out of the Trayvon Martin equation, and you have a racist with a few bruises.”

    She is either extremely ignorant, or a racist herself. The whole “Zimmerman’s a racist” thing was put to bed quite awhile ago, and the only ones trying to prop it up are the black race baiters and white guiltists whose careers depend on stirring up hatred against whitey. Of course, this is what happens when natural selection falls by the wayside.

  23. sumyungboi says:

    alindasue: “What we really need are regulations about what is acceptable neighborhood watch procedure”

    Yes, more regulation, that’s what we need!

    I “watch” the neighborhood often. No one elected me to do this, I am armed at the time, and I could care less how some pointy head wants to regulate me. Unless you’re up to no good, you won’t even see me, and I’m well within my rights.

    And to people like the letter writer, you would probably be stunned at how many of the people you see through the course of your day are carrying. We just don’t make a big deal out of it.

  24. Sumy – I hope you have a good lawyer. You have NO right to confront someone on public property UNLESS you actually see a crime being commented.

    Here’s something to ponder form the NRA – home buglers are more likely to be shot by an armed homeowner than by a police officer. However, homeowners are more likely to shoot a family member or friend, or to be shot by their own weapon than they are to shoot a bugler.

  25. Does anyone doubt for a minute that Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are not the epitome of what a racist really is?

    I don’t doubt for a minute that you, sumyungboi, and others like you, have attempted to redefine the meaning of the word racist to mean “anyone who points out activities and attitude that they believe are racist”

  26. sumyungboi says:

    Here’s some good advice, xring. Don’t carprowl or trespass in strange neighborhoods, and you won’t have to concern yourself with guys like me or one of my neighbors stepping out from the shadows.

  27. “Thanks for ratifying my assertion that liberalism is, at its core, coercive and authoritarian…”

    Just another in a long list of ‘assertions’ you have 100% wrong.

  28. Great letter Ms. Harmon. There are a lot of people who think the same thing. It can be done if the will is there.

  29. sumyungboi says:

    beerboy, love how you misrepresented a quote without direct culpability. But, dishonesty is a P/L trait, sorta like smirking when you debate the definition of “is”. Fortunately, most stupid people are already in your choir. Most “independents” are not exactly well informed, but most aren’t just plain dumb.

  30. Where were the calls of “man with a gun chasing someone down the street”? There were none, because there was no gun displayed until it got used.
    If I was in a strange neighborhood and someone asked me what I was doing there, I would tell them. If they pointed a gun at me, I would run like the wind.
    I live in a very rural area, so if you are here, you should be ready to explain your presence.

  31. sumyungboi – not sure how copying and pasting your quote in the thread where you originally posted it is “misrepresenting” it.

    Jackson is a publicity hound, Sharpton is a buffoon but for you to label them as “the epitome of what a racist really is” reveals far more about you than you should.

  32. And then there is this one: She is either extremely ignorant, or a racist herself.

    It is apparent by this and the quote about Jackson and Sharpton. that you have redefined the word “racist” to mean anyone who claims that there is racism against blacks in America.

    If you think I have “misrepresented” your quotes then try to explain it without resorting to ad hominem attacks upon anyone who might agree with my point of view.

  33. sumyungboi says:

    beerboy: “not sure how copying and pasting your quote in the thread where you originally posted it is “misrepresenting” it.”

    Well, then, maybe you weren’t intentionally misrepresenting anything. Maybe you’re just stupid. Read the thread. Then I’ll expect an apology.

  34. I can’t apologize without knowing why you think I should.

    “Maybe you’re just stupid”

    And you expect an apology….

  35. Explain exactly what you think was misrepresented.

    And this time avoid ad hominem attacks.

  36. sumyungboi says:

    Apparently, you’re a little too lazy to do what I suggested, which would be to re-read the comments in question. Had you done that, you would’ve seen that you’d used someone else’s words as a springboard for a rant directed toward me.

  37. averageJoseph says:

    Yes, the left misunderstands the 2nd amendment (I’m being gracious). It seems they believe it’s the only amendment that doesn’t affirm an individual right.

  38. averageJoseph says:

    LOL… ad hominem attack.

    Like saying “You truly are a douche”? I’d credit the author but he would just flag it. He wrote the book.

  39. sumyungboi – you are the one who needs to reread for comprehension.

    Directly below frosty’s post I wrote this “I don’t doubt for a minute that you, sumyungboi, and others like you, have attempted to redefine the meaning of the word racist to mean “anyone who points out activities and attitude that they believe are racist”

    It is clear, by context, that the “you” in the post was frosty. I included sumyungboi in the statement because of this quote “She is either extremely ignorant, or a racist herself.”

    It wasn’t a rant against you, it was a rant against frosty and you since you both were displaying the same thing.

  40. Jimm – I don’t flag your comments as I want them to stay up for others to see.

  41. sumyungboi says:

    beerboy, nice comeback. Might almost be plausible despite your lack of reference to Frosty, had you not followed up with:

    “sumyungboi – not sure how copying and pasting your quote in the thread where you originally posted it is “misrepresenting” it.”

    Lying is unbecoming, beerboy, and you fall into the trap of always having to remember what previous lies you told when you’re making up another lie.

  42. averageJoseph says:

    Arts, I was referring to the ad hominems. :)

  43. sumy – no apology necessary from me as my assertion about you is supported by your posts.

    I will apologize for getting a little confused as to who I was dealing with – as my original post was commenting upon both frosty’s and your posts – but the central thrust of what I said is supported by the evidence: both you and frosty seek to redefine “racist” to refer to anyone who claims that someone is engaging in racist behavior.

    aJ – you are rather feisty today.

  44. Jupiter25 says:

    While we’re at it, let’s just do away with the entire Bill of Rights. forget freedom of religion and forget a free press. Yuo can’t pick and choose which of the bill of Rights you don’t agree with and then say it has to go. Her letter was ludicrous.

  45. beerboy, BTW, remember a few a days ago when I suggested that you have an unusual interest in a certain male organ and you challenged me to show you where you had made out of place comments regarding same? I went back and showed you your own words on the subject that was discussing owls and you brought up “penile” interests. Then on a post discussing cigarettes, you again brought up the off-subject issue. I was the one who said that Sharpton and Jackson are the epitome of racism and I stand by it. Have you ever watched Tavis Smiley or his cohort with the turtle neck sweater, afro and beard who is a professor somewhere discussing how terrible the white man is and how the poor,poor urban dwellers are discriminated against? Even a liberal should be getting just a little tired of the same old rants coming from those commie shake-down artists. It’s time to put that tired ol’ rhetoric to bed, I’ve been listening to this all of my life, I thought the whole “civil rights” thing was solved when they integrated the schools and the quality of education has plunged to the lowest in our history and continues to decline. Remember the “new math” and the dumbing-down of the standards in english, I forgot what the term was but it amounted to street thug english. If there’s racism in this country, it’s coming from people of color against the whites.

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