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MEDIA: What the Trayvon Martin case really tells us

Letter by Bill Anderson, Auburn on April 10, 2012 at 10:17 am with 163 Comments »
April 10, 2012 10:58 am

Re: “What the Trayvon Martin case is telling us about ourselves” (editorial, 4-10).

The Trayvon Martin case also tells us a great deal about the media reporting it and almost nothing about us. We do not see any fair and unbiased reporting of facts. What we see is shrill hyperventilating and misleading reporting.

An NBC News producer has been fired after a misleading report on the Trayvon Martin case suggested that shooter George Zimmerman was racially motivated. The edited audio clip from a 911 call implied that Zimmerman, shot Martin because he was black. “This guy looks like he’s up to no good. He looks black,” according to the clip that aired March 27 on the “Today” show.

A transcript of the actual recording of the call between Zimmerman and the 911 dispatcher shows the version that was aired was significantly modified. George Zimmerman said: “This guy looks like he’s up to no good. Or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around, looking about.” The 911 dispatcher said: “O.K., and this guy – is he white, black or Hispanic?” George Zimmerman said: “He looks black.”

NBC has chosen not to acknowledge the deception and has declined to comment. How are we to separate fact from fiction when we cannot trust the reporting that we are seeing? And how can you suggest that the case tells us anything about ourselves when we seem to be victims of such self-serving deception?

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  1. The fact that you decided to focused upon the NBC distortion and not the Daily Caller distortions tells the world an awful lot about you.

  2. itwasntmethistime says:

    I’ve heard about the NBC distortion but I don’t even know what the Daily Caller is. So how does that say anything about the letter writer or me?

  3. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    Yeah, bB, because he left out the ABC and CNN “distortions”.

    ABC had strategically placed a chyron over Zimmerman’s head, while suggesting there was no injury to it, only to later admit (after ABS’s own enhancement) that there in fact did “appear to be bruises and abrasions”. Bet they didn’t show that on The Evening News though.

    Then there was the famous CNN claim of a racial slur used by Zimmerman in 911 audio – also admitted to be inaccurate after CNN’s own in-house enhancement proved the actual word used was “cold”, rather than “coon” as they had so damagingly reported for at least a week.
    Again, anyone remember the apology segment?

  4. “An NBC News producer has been fired” is quite different than “NBC has chosen not to acknowledge.” Actions speak louder than words.

    Read more here: http://www.thenewstribune.com/2012/04/10/2101785/what-the-trayvon-martin-case-is.html#disqus_thread#storylink=cpy

  5. BlaineCGarver says:

    The racists have certainly set Z up for a thrashing…and in an election year…imagine that. Doom on you people.

  6. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    Make no mistake, Zimmerman will soon be charged with manslaughter. The fact that the state prosecutor has elected to not convene a grand jury makes it a certainty.

    I for one will welcome a trial – warranted or not – so that we can finally ascertain the facts of the case and stop the seemingly ceaseless “trial by media” and race baiting by the poverty pimps, as well as the ridiculous and specious insinuations, accusations and, and out-and-out fabrications being used by the left to gin-up this story.

    If it comes out that Zimmerman is found guilty, so be it. But the hypocrisy of the left in their selective ignorance of the age-old tenet “innocent until proven guilty” has nonetheless never been more in evidence.

  7. LornaDoone says:

    “Then there was the famous CNN claim of a racial slur used by Zimmerman in 911 audio – also admitted to be inaccurate after CNN’s own in-house enhancement proved the actual word used was “cold”, rather than “coon” as they had so damagingly reported for at least a week.”

    What does this say about the Joe Oliver (Zimmerman’s PR man) excuse saying George said “goon”? That was about two weeks before the
    CNN “in-house enhancement”.

    As to photos, it’s interesting how quickly Malkin was dismissed for a “mistake” with the false photo of Trayvon Martin. (how do you make a “mistake”? Did you have two photos and choose the wrong one?)

    I amazed at how people defended an indefensible shooting. If Martin did hit Zimmerman, I ask everyone – “what would you do to someone stalking you and approaching you on the street in an aggressive manner?” We have people on these threads that talk about carrying a gun for protection and yet, when a kid possibly defends himself from a looney who was out to get SOMEONE that night, he is immediately classified wrong and the tar and feathers come out.

    Blaine – maybe you can explain what this issue has to do with race. I see a man killing a kid who was unarmed and doing nothing wrong. I mean, it can’t be race because Zimmerman’s PR guy already said it was “goon” and not “coon”. Then CNN had to go and mess that one up….

  8. LornaDoone says:

    Innocent until proven guilty is one thing. To shoot an unarmed kid and not be charged of anything is entirely another issue.

  9. LornaDoone says:

    Sanford, FL, February 26, 2012
    Actual Temp
    69° Lo 52°
    Hist. Avg
    75° Lo 53°

    Yeah….really f-ing COLD

  10. itwasntmethistime says:

    beerBoy, you’re right. I do only pay attention to a few media sources. Actually, I only have time to pay attention to one, The News Tribune. I don’t watch TV or surf the web, I just read the morning paper before work. Some days (like today) I leave the TNT website up while I’m working and keep an eye on the entertaining commenters between tasks when I have time. Sometime last week I read the bit about the NBC thing in the TNT is the only reason I know about it. I don’t think that says anything more than I am a busy wife and mother.

  11. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    Larna’s 1:31 – 2 equivalencies followed by a straw man in the first four paragraphs. Really Larna, you’re outdoing even yourself.

    Innocent until proven guilty is one thing. To shoot an unarmed kid and not be charged of anything is entirely another issue.

    So… when they charge him with manslaughter – which they certainly will do – we can count on your consistent defense of the defense of the fair application of the 14th Amendment? Riiiiight.

    Lo 53°… Yeah….really f-ing COLD

    Obviously, someone has never been to f-ing Miami. And ignoring the fact that Sanford is inland, and not quite as “cold” as Miami, one must ask oneself why Zimmerman was wearing a jacket.

  12. averageJoseph says:

    Never heard of the daily caller.

    I’ve heard of ABC, NBC, and CNN tho. I’ve heard of Dan Rather. Is someone placing the daily caller on the same level as ABC, NBC, and CNN?

    LMAO, the paranoid sect of the rabid race baiters has circled the wagons and – just like Stalin’s purges – keeps seeing enemies where friends could be

  13. averageJoseph says:

    … AND it WAS raining.

  14. What the brainwashed among us here refuse to accept is that the masses actually believed that Dan Rather was unbiased, that Mike Wallace, may he rest in peace, was unbiased. They looked to these patriarchs for objective reports about what was going on in the world, and until cable news came along, there was no one to publicly reveal “the men behind the curtain” for what they were. Decent men no doubt, but horribly biased and at the forefront of the demise of journalism as it was meant to be practiced.

    If any of you actually bought those early reports as factual, unedited reports about the events of that night, shame on you for being so naive.

    Bernie Goldberg’s expose about “the slobbering love affair” the press has with President Obama is valid.

    And even if Fox does slant the news to the right which they do on some shows, but certainly not all — it is important to remember that they have been so smeared by everyone from the president to all the Hollywod flunkies, the comparison is irrelevant.

    My point? Many Americans still actually believe they are getting objective reporting from all the other agencies. Sometimes it feels like people are walking around in a drug-stupor. It’s especially frustrating when a good many of them are teaching at our high schools and universities. Pseudo-intellectuals are highly dangerous to the general welfare of our society. IMO

  15. concernedtacoma7 says:

    For weeks Lardnos was screaming ‘racist’! based on CNN and the goon/coon/cold comment. That was his one and only talking point.

    Be a man and admit you judged before the facts were known. Be a man and admit you got your talking points from far left websites looking to cash in on a potential race-based incident.

    Look at the maps of where everything took place (initial contact, distance to 7-11, etc). All known evidence backs up Zimmerman’s version of events that night.

    An adult was walking around houses in his neighborhood, not on the sidewalk or street. After many break-ins there was reason to be suspicious. It is now know Zimmerman was beat up, with his nose broken (sorry Lardnos, you were wrong on that one too).

    The media showed a picture of TM that was 3+ years old, while they showed a doctored picture of Zimmerman’s mugshot. They declared him ‘white’, then a “white-hispanic” after they fell flat again.

    BB and Lardnos continue to chant of injustice, even though the facts pile up against them. Incredible.

    As just about every conservative in the nation has said, let law enforcement and the courts do their work, shame on the media, race-baiters, and the left for judging before the facts were known.

  16. Let me guess – you haven’t heard of Tucker Carlson either…

    Tucker Swanson McNear Carlson (born May 16, 1969) is an American political news correspondent and conservative commentator for the Fox News Channel. He is co-founder and editor-in-chief of The Daily Caller. He is a senior fellow of the Cato Institute[2] and formerly co-hosted CNN’s Crossfire and MSNBC’s Tucker.

  17. 911 dispatcher: Are you following him? [2:24].
    Zimmerman: Yeah. [2:25].
    911 dispatcher: OK. We don’t need you to do that.

    These are facts.

  18. LornaDoone says:

    Yeah….it was “cold”. Except, two weeks earlier, Zimmerman’s PR man said George said “goon”.

    Oh well, Zimmerman’s attorney’s withdrew. It seems they weren’t thrilled with George calling Sean Hannity or setting up his website defense fund.

    At to CT7’s lie, I’d love to see him copy and paste the alleged claims of “racist” (of course he can’t because he can’t spell “LornaDoone”).

    To acknowledge Zimmerman’s slur (which I still do), doesn’t say I called him racist. Actually, on several occasions, I have said I don’t think Zimmerman killed Martin because he was black. I think Zimmerman would have killed a caucasian for the same reason as he killed Martin.

    CT7 – you really need a couple of things – (1) spelling class and (2) a dictionary. Your interpretation of my comments is always wrong.

    So, regardless of “CNN’s enhanced whatever” I still hear Zimmerman saying “f-ing _oon”, which rhymes with “goon”, which Joe Oliver said is what he heard Zimmerman say.

    Whatever happened to Joe speaking for Zimmerman?

  19. LornaDoone says:

    What would “cold” have to do with “they always get away”?

  20. LornaDoone says:

    Oh no. “Cold” has become “punks”

    http://articles.cnn.com/2012-04-05/justice/justice_florida-teen-shooting_1_racial-slur-punks-cnn?_s=PM:JUSTICE

    So much similarity in those words…..

  21. took14theteam says:

    It is time to spin the ‘Twister” dial again…..

  22. Pacman33 says:

    Wow beerBoy, are you that uninformed or are you trying to distort the facts? I don’t need to ask about LardnosDone’s wretched motives.
    The Daily Caller video is a completely different video than the one ABC had enhanced to save face following the uproar of lunatics calling their initial video a ‘game changer’.

    http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/george-zimmerman-enhanced-video-shows-injury-trayvon-martin-16053206

    Again, it is a entirely different enhanced video by ABC News, who originally released the first grainy police station footage, that sent delusional hatemongers in a frenzy.

    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/04/meet-doug-carner-video-forensic-expert-who-cleaned-up-george-zimmerman-video/

    This seems below you bB. I considered you to be above creeps that are pushing lie after lie. Those squawking conspiracy theories of a gang of players, conspiring in an elaborate scheme to fabricate Zimmerman’s self-defense claims, despite the absence of any possible personal gain. Players: including Police falsifying police reports, paramedics pretending to treat invisible injuries, collaborating witnesses obstructing shooting death investigations, devious forensic video experts, etc.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/04/02/enhanced_video_shows_injury_on_george_zimmermans_head.html

    Did you know Zim and Bush were behind 911?

  23. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    Larna, the day you convince me that you don’t consider someone a racist for, you believe (against all better evidence), uttering a racial slur is the same day I close on the SF Bridge.

    Gawd, spare us your inane sanctimoniousness.

    And isn’t it just so typical how you revel in Zimmerman’s obvious descent into mental unstableness – ha, ha, ha.

    The two lawyers said they were concerned about Zimmerman, who they described as isolated.

    “He can’t go out to a 7/11 to buy a Diet Coke. There’s a bounty out there,” Uhrig said.

    The lawyer suggested that Zimmerman was probably suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder.

    “Perhaps the pressure has pushed him over the edge,” Uhrig said. The attorney suggested Zimmerman may not be handling the pressure and has lost weight.

    He also said that Zimmerman was not in Florida, saying, “You can stop looking for him in Florida. Look much further than that.”

    They also admitted that they had yet to meet Zimmerman in person.

    “He is in hiding and it was better for him to stay in hiding… There were death threats,” Uhrig said.

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmermans-legal-team-calls-quits/story?id=16110510#.T4TLJu2-rao

    Notice the link is to ABC who, like ‘ol lardbucket, has done plenty to help Zimmerman’s mental outlook. But the best part about the piece was this:

    Zimmerman, 28, a white Hispanic neighborhood watch captain…

    Hmmm, seems to me Larna was claiming that was never said as well.

    And please, Larna, you know as well as we that the mod will delete any post we make that quotes any one of your many previous ill-informed/ incorrect comments. You also are aware you more than inferred that Zimmerman was a racist, based on ginned-up speculation about an (at that time) unintelligible portion of the 911 audio which has since been enhanced to show he uttered no such slur.

    To quote Firesign Theatre; “Everything You Know Is Wrong”.

  24. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    It is time to spin the ‘Twister” dial again…..

    Gumby likes this.

  25. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    This seems below you bB. I considered you to be above creeps that are pushing lie after lie.

    Bad beerBy has returned. Must be an election year.

  26. averageJoseph says:

    bB and dooner make me laugh… looks like the ‘ol faux news non-comeback just became that much more ridiculas considering the wide spread MSM fraud (or “mistakes” as some db claimed).

    LMAO… we don’t need you to do that, the same dispatcher would likely say the same thing if a real child was being abducted, or if you were following a drunk driver, or if you attempted to intervene in a domestic,or etc., etc.

  27. averageJoseph says:

    Good grief!!! I just had a flash back…

    quoting edited sentences out of context contributes to the “fog of controversy” that has been created around this issue

    OH man… another one… “I sincerely hope that you are correct – that the rise in violent rhetoric and “vandalism” is minor and not serious – and this won’t result in assassinations and major terrorist events.

    But fear and anger are mighty powerful forces that can easily get out of control. I still maintain that those politicians and public figures who are stoking the fire are acting irresponsibly

  28. averageJoseph says:

    … this is the longest deja vu I’ve had in a looong time…
    You can find videos that “document” all sorts of things.
    See that’s the problem with people in the modern age who are ignorant about how videos are created and manipulated – they forget about editing, manipulations of point of view and other aspects of the medium.

  29. LornaDoone says:

    Since we have liars in our midst, I’ll copy and paste my own comments:

    This is for openers –

    “When people jump to conclusions based upon race, it is called racial prejudice. This event has been aggressively pre-judged because of the relative skin color of the participants.”
    An open mind and an ear to the audio tape will solve that problem. Zimmerman definitely used a racial slur.”

    “Guy did talk to police and it’s not a part of the public record?
    Where are the other witnesses that tried to testify?
    I haven’t mentioned anything about race, other than the obvious racists comments by Zimmerman, but you seem to want to constantly go back to race every post.”

    “Get a clue klew…Constance is an African American woman”
    And this excuses her from the ability to be a racist?
    Frankly, I’d like to meet her or see a picture. All I’ve seen is a lot of right wing rhetoric in a newspaper LTE that they make phone calls to qualify as honest.”

    “Sandhills – why do you people keep bringing up the race issue? This is an “armed man shot an unarmed kid” issue. The ONLY thing that makes it a race issue is the racist slur by Zimmerman.
    The video you submit is two soccer players getting in a fight over one tripping the other. If this is something new to you, you have avoided soccer for a long time.
    I’ve seen quite a few fights since I like to watch high school football and I don’t usually keep track of black and white athletes that are part of the fights.”

    As Mr T once said “I gotta whole lotta mo'”

  30. Pacman33 says:

    “Mo” of what? ‘More’ denotes; In addition to something.

    That is nothing, but more delusional ranting.

    ‘Something’ is not more neurotic conspiracy theories, accusing individuals of faking ethnicity, portraying yourself as a bigger creep than before your manic fit.

    You have nothing.

  31. LornaDoone says:

    OK…moving on.
    “your “race-based-incident” narrative”
    Funny, but I don’t find the Zimmerman/Martin killing a race issue, aside from a racial slur thown by Zimmerman, which I think is just an indicator of his loss of control at the time.
    Vox, CT7 and others keep trying to make this race based, and keep saying that I and others like me are endorsing this, but we’ve all stipulated the contrary so many times it would have been cheaper to record it and produce an LP like Ronnie Reagan did to speak against Social Security.
    I don’t think Zimmerman killed Martin because he was black. I think Zimmerman would have killed anyone that night. I think Zimmerman was a loose cannon just waiting to kill someone because he thought he had the right.
    I hope that clears up the race based conspiracy for the last time.

    Ho hum….

  32. LornaDoone says:

    Those are all copied and pasted from “Connie’s Column Comments, back in March.

  33. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Another Reagan plug from BB/Lardnos (second in 2 days). Must be a new moveon tactic…

  34. c’mon guys – it’s only Tuesday…a bit early in the week for your ad hominem pile on bit.

    Seriously – what, exactly, have I written that you find to be “pushing lie after lie”?

    Tucker Carlson is, in fact, the editor in chief of the Daily Caller.
    The Daily Caller has, in fact, published several articles defaming the dead teen – including faked social media supposedly hacked by a self-proclaimed white supremacist.

    Pray tell – what of that is a “lie”?

    And ct7 – dude, get a life. I am not “lardnos” anymore than I was ever “moderate”. I am not a member of moveon.org. And Jimmofmanynames….sigh…you still are keeping a file on my quotes.

  35. concernedtacoma7 says:

    BB, I do not doubt that you are not lardnos. I do doubt that you believe that the DC has anyhting to do with the media nightmare the Martin case has been.

    You are deflecting.

    After the media declared Zimmerman a terrorist and Martin a saint, a few publications tried to show both human sides of the story. Just because it did not fit the racebaiters narrative does not make it wrong, immoral, etc.

    Wrong was doctoring the tape. Pushing the limits of wrong was showing Martin as a pre-teen, when the 17 looks quite different.

    Wrong was redefining race (white hispanic).

  36. itwasntmethistime says:

    beerBoy — I have heard of Fox News Channel. I’ve heard it has a conservative perspective and I think, but I don’t know for sure, that Fox is who airs Bill O’Reilly and Rush Limbaugh. Not every conservative is a victim of conservative media brainwashing. Some of us have developed our opinions on our own, from life experiences.

  37. “What the brainwashed among us here refuse to accept is”

    Hypocrisy defined.

  38. “After the media declared Zimmerman a terrorist and Martin a saint”

    Which of course didn’t happen in any way shape or form.

  39. “c’mon guys – it’s only Tuesday…a bit early in the week for your ad hominem pile on bit.”

    It’s what the far right does when they KNOW they are beaten, when the facts and truth are not on their side, in short, it’s what they do.

  40. averageJoseph says:

    Sorry, the ad hominem pile on started when several factions of the “approved” media chose to alter the facts to suit their agenda.

  41. averageJoseph says:

    Oh… they are just now coming into frution… you keep reminding us why it is hard to take you seriously.

  42. Can’t make a louder clearer statement than to public fire someone.

    FOX would have defended the editing claiming their version was real and the ‘unedited’ version was a biased liberal media distortion.

    B-C-G,
    Hate to burst your bubble, but both sides have used Zimmerman as poster boy.

    Vox – The only thing most of us want is an unbiased investigation.

  43. Frankenchrist says:

    Frothy Santorum just cowardly withdrew from the Repuke race. What a sniveling coward. I was so looking forward to watching his own state reject him for the liberal flip-flopper from Taxachusetts. You know, the guy with an elevator in his garage who makes his dogs ride on the top of the car for 800 mile trips to Canada. Yea, that guy. The same one that invented Obamacare who likes to fire people.

  44. concernedtacoma7 says:

    “Would have”. They did not. Weak. Call a spade a spade and show outrage at the media bias instead of defending a failed position.

  45. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    Vox – The only thing most of us want is an unbiased investigation.

    “Most of us”, yes. But many of “you” have already tried and convicted Zimmerman before the investigation has been completed.

    Larna won’t be happy ’till they wheel out ‘ol sparky.

  46. averageJoseph says:

    FOX would have… but didn’t. LOL… love watching the back pedal counter accusations from the baiters.

    Hey, did you know Barry is a white black?

  47. aislander says:

    sozo writes: “Sometimes it feels like people are walking around in a drug-stupor.”

    That is a trenchant observation, sozo. I feel that OUR dystopia is more Brave New World than 1984. But if the Obama admin puts in slightly more structure, we may segue into the latter…

  48. vox – there are many who have already decided on BOTH sides of this.

    Even if it is found that Zimmerman’s story is accurate, there is still the troubling fact that this never would have happened if he hadn’t overzealously followed Martin. Shouldn’t this sort of vigilantism – which led to a death – be illegal? Perhaps “reckless endangerment”?

  49. “The fact that you decided to focused upon the NBC distortion and not the Daily Caller distortions tells the world an awful lot about you.”

    Couldn’t agree more!!

  50. “the “approved” media chose to alter the facts to suit their agenda.”

    You mean the “facts” that were altered by you media to suit your agenda.

  51. I was thinking of Farenheit 451 when I wrote the line about being in a stupor, aislander. Speaking of which, if we stay the course on so-called political correctness, we can look forward to book-burnings in our future too! People said it couldn’t happen here, but it could…if we don’t take a sharp, repentant turn, and soon…say November?

  52. Vox – Most of you have already found Zimmerman innocent and see no reason for any investigation.

  53. Actually, I want to ammend that last statement. I was attempting some humor, but because I don’t think any of this is at all funny, let me say that this is way bigger than can be corrected by a presidential election. We’ve been on this path for some time now, and a change of heart is more important than a change of mind, in my personal opinion.

  54. Bill Anderson-A teenager with a bag of skittles was shot dead by a vigilante who stalked him because he thought he looked suspicious. The local police find no reason to investigate the claim of self defense. The comments to your letter say plenty about us.

  55. xring, I don’t know who you are including in that “most of you” comment, but I think you are way off base. I have heard one consistent cry from spokespeople regarding this case…”Let the court do its job!”

    If Zimmerman is guilty of a crime, he should certainly be held accountable. What I and many others have objected to is the circus of events surrounding this case that may make it impossible for the man to even get a fair trial. Lawyers-turned-pundits, like Laure Ingram, for instance, were quite open to declare Zimmerman a fool for personally contacting the special prosecutor. If the man is guilty of a crime, so be it. The race-baiters and the media should also be put on trial, but of course what they do is only criminal in the moral sense of the word.

    And, for the record, those who want to make something of the lawyers’ resignation that it’s not…it’s my understanding they will re-engage as Zimmerman’s counsel if he resurfaces and wants them.

    P.S. Most of us would hide out ourselves if the Black Panthers had put a hit out on us.

  56. Kindle Fire

  57. LornaDoone says:

    “P.S. Most of us would hide out ourselves if the Black Panthers had put a hit out on us.”

    No more than hiding because Pat Robertson said “God will avenge you”

  58. LornaDoone says:

    Did I post this yet? It’s a quote of me on the “racism” issue:

    “I don’t think Zimmerman killed Martin because he was black. I think Zimmerman would have killed anyone that night. I think Zimmerman was a loose cannon just waiting to kill someone because he thought he had the right.”

    Just in case CT7 and Voxmultiples didn’t catch it the first and second times.

  59. LornaDoone says:

    “sozo writes: “Sometimes it feels like people are walking around in a drug-stupor.”

    Avoid buildings where people throw up their hands to a nothing.

  60. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    “Shouldn’t this sort of vigilantism – which led to a death – be illegal? Perhaps “reckless endangerment”?”

    He was the neighborhood watch captain – as such it’s his prerogative, if not his duty, to report suspicious activity. If, in this case, he was being a bit overzealous, that hardly equates to “vigilantism”, bB. And no one has been able to show he has a history of “racial profiling”, though some folks (wink, wink) have certainly tried.

    The lead detective on the case wanted to pursue manslaughter charges weeks before this was ginned-up to national tabloid status. But it was determined by the district prosecutor that there was not enough evidence. And even though the case has now gone to a state prosecutor, and the Justice Department (surprise, surprise) and FBI have also become involved, I doubt the “lack of evidence” status has changed. That doesn’t make Zimmerman innocent of the charge – it just means lack of evidence is lack of evidence.

    Nevertheless, I would bet the farm that the state prosecutor will file manslaughter charges, mostly as a result of national attention. I think that is a shame, and will ultimately wind up needlessly costing the people of Florida more grief in terms of adverse publicity, not to mention time and money.

    In the end, some court will find him not guilty under Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” laws, at which time the JD may choose to pursue “violation of civil rights” charges (also not likely to stick, but they’ll have to placate the race baiters), and the Martin family will likely prevail in civil court.

    None of this will bring Travon Martin back. As for Mr. Zimmerman, it appears he’s already paying, and will continue to pay a heavy toll for his actions – whether or not they were responsible actions.

  61. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    Hmmm, who said this:

    Stereotypes usually will end up with people using racist terms, as on the tape of Zimmerman talking to the 911 operator.

    Read more here: http://blog.thenewstribune.com/letters/2012/03/26/killing-of-trevyon-about-guns-not-race/#comments#storylink=cpy
    __________________________________________________________________________________________________________
    I’d say “f—— -oon” suffices for race baiting.

    Read more here: http://blog.thenewstribune.com/letters/2012/03/26/killing-of-trevyon-about-guns-not-race/#comments#storylink=cpy
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    How can a fool totally ignore the racial epithet by Zimmerman?
    Don’t look here, folks. “racial stuff”

    Read more here: http://blog.thenewstribune.com/letters/2012/03/26/killing-of-trevyon-about-guns-not-race/#comments#storylink=cpy
    __________________________________________________________________________________________________________
    I vision people plugging their ears and saying –
    “lalaalalaIcan’theretheracistremark”
    It’s amazing how they can’t here or see the racist remark…

    Read more here: http://blog.thenewstribune.com/letters/2012/03/26/killing-of-trevyon-about-guns-not-race/#comments#storylink=cpy
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    Blaine Garver said: “Funny as hell…..there is not a shred of evidence yet for either side…..Just Libs doing what they do best…foment the race war.”

    Subjects reply:
    911 audio tape isn’t evidence?
    I didn’t “prejudge”. I judged, based on an audio tape. I stand pat with my judgement.

    Read more here: http://blog.thenewstribune.com/letters/2012/03/26/killing-of-trevyon-about-guns-not-race/#comments#storylink=cpy
    __________________________________________________________________________________________________________
    There is no getting around what words were said. Even the PR Friend helped confirm that with a lame excuse. I’d say Zimmerman would be smarter if he’d hire a black attorney, rather than have Oliver speak for him.

    Read more here: http://blog.thenewstribune.com/letters/2012/03/26/killing-of-trevyon-about-guns-not-race/#comments#storylink=cpy
    __________________________________________________________________________________________________________
    When Oliver is used to vouch for Zimmerman’s lack of racist attitude:
    “I’m a black male and all that I know is that George has never given me any reason whatsoever to believe he has anything against people of color,” Oliver said.”

    It’s not racist to agree with him or acknowledge the reason why he is representing Zimmerman in the media.

    Read more here: http://blog.thenewstribune.com/letters/2012/03/26/killing-of-trevyon-about-guns-not-race/#comments#storylink=cpy
    __________________________________________________________________________________________________________

    Convenient how someone can forget flamotte’s letter, waaay back on March 26th – 2 days before ““Connie’s Column Comments”, LOL.

  62. averageJoseph says:

    xring, suport your false premise that “Most of you have already found Zimmerman innocent and see no reason for any investigation.”

    A more accurate statement would be ‘most of us on the left have already found Zimmerman guilty’.

    Based on my opinion and what I have read from other like minded individuals, we are sick and tired of some media outlets manipulating facts and story lines to fit their agenda. We’re tired of people trying to turn everything into some sort of racial divide or “hatecrime”. We’re tired of the poverty pimp race baiters ginning up unrest so they still have a job.
    There is and has been an investigation. Do you actually believe Zimmerman was cuffed ,taken to the PD, and questioned for 5 hours for fun? Do you believe that was the end of it?

  63. Those who curse the media for bringing this issue to the forefront and not allowing Zimmerman’s actions to get swept under the rug for “lack of evidence” are the same crowd who will praise Fox News for its sensationalism/propaganda style of reporting. They are the same crowd who would charge that the prosecutor was soft on crime if the circumstances were reversed. If Zimmerman is found innocent, at least there will be a trial, at least his actions will be called into question and the evidence presented in front of a jury. The prosecutor clearly played judge and jury; actions which led to this whole media attention issue. If Zimmerman had been the one shot and killed in that scuffle would the prosecutor have been plagued with that same “lack of evidence?”

  64. Sozo – this is one of the rear issues that we are on the same side of. Had the local PD been more assertive and conducted a viable investigation we could have avoided much of the trial by media circus.

    Vox – legitimate Block Watchers do not carry firearms and do not chase after suspicious persons.

    Is not the main purpose of a police investigation to collect and evaluate evidence?

    IMO the prosecutor overstepped his authority.

    If Z is found not guilty in state criminal court, expect a wrongful death suit and federal charges.

    AJ – read the posts. The both sides have already tried and settled the case.

  65. LornaDoone says:

    Vox, in an attempt to edit my posts and make me say something I didn’t say, missed this:

    To acknowledge Zimmerman’s slur (which I still do), doesn’t say I called him racist. Actually, on several occasions, I have said I don’t think Zimmerman killed Martin because he was black. I think Zimmerman would have killed a caucasian for the same reason as he killed Martin.>/b>

  66. averageJoseph says:

    Bandito, Fox News wasn’t the media outlet caught lying and manipulating facts. LMAO, some of you are sooo predictable.

  67. averageJoseph says:

    Xring, you alledged “Most of you have already found Zimmerman innocent and see no reason for any investigation.” I have read the posts and I have found no where that anybody proclaimed Zimmerman innocent of a crime… that’s why I asked you to support your claim. If you can’t, then at least have the cajones to retract your statement.

  68. as such it’s his prerogative, if not his duty, to report suspicious activity.

    which he did – at which time the 911 operator told him that it was not needed for him to follow.

    The reports support the conclusion that Zimmerman not only followed Martin but did so in a manner that made Martin aware that he was being followed. AND, Zimmerman was close enough to Martin that – if we totally accept Zimmerman’s version – Martin was able to turn and confront the person who had not identified himself as a cop (because he wasn’t/isn’t one).

    None of this falss under his “perogative” or “duty” as watch co-captain

    Simply put – if Zimmerman hadn’t followed Martin, this would not have happened.

  69. LornaDoone says:

    On the other side – Zimmerman’s law team (former law team) were saying that Zimmerman can’t be racist because he tutored black kids.

    Now, if racism isn’t the issue, why defend that which you have no need to defend?

    Here’s what we have:

    A slur that sounded like “f-king _oon”.

    Zimmerman’s choice of PR man – an African American middle-aged man who claims to be a friend, but had disappeared since his public statement – says Zimmerman said “goon” (acknowledging the sound alike, and allegedly speaking for George).

    Then the alleged CNN “enhancement” that says he said “f-ing cold” (on an average temperature day in the neighborhood where he lived, somewhere between 69 and 53 degrees)

    THEN, Zimmerman’s people says he claimed he said “f-ing punks”.

    Here is what I see/hear. I hear the audio tape and don’t need anything enhanced. I also hear spokespeople for Zimmerman contradict themselves on what they alleged that Zimmerman said.

    One racial slur need not make a racist.

    Bottom line – Trayvon Martin died at the hands of George Zimmerman.

  70. LornaDoone says:

    “Simply put – if Zimmerman hadn’t followed Martin, this would not have happened.”

    Absolutely, beerBoy. What is sad is that a certain group of people seek to distract that fact with talk about racism and anti-racism and Black Panthers, New Black Panthers, wounds to the head, broken noses with no blood, Obama said anything, on and on, etc, etc, et al.

  71. geeterpontiac says:

    We will never see honest, balanced reporting from the TNT. (McClatchy) Why? Because their political advocacy trumps reporting, and in spite of their occasional disclaimers, they are just as eager to stoke the fires of hatred and divisiveness as the Obama/Jackson/Sharpton and white supremacy groups.

    From Walter Williams,

    “On March 4, two black Kansas City, Mo., youths doused a 13-year-old boy in gasoline and set him on fire, telling him, “You get what you deserve, white boy.” Last summer, Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel ordered an emergency shutdown of the beaches in Chicago because mobs of blacks were terrorizing white families.”

    “Let’s look at some non-news cases. On March 14 in Tulsa, Okla., a white couple suffered a home invasion by Tyrone Woodfork, a 20-year-old black man. Ninety-year-old Bob Strait suffered a broken jaw and broken ribs in the attack. His 85-year-old wife, Nancy, was sexually assaulted and battered to death, ending their 65-year marriage.”

    “None of those black-on-white atrocities made anywhere near the news that the Trayvon Martin case made, and it’s deliberate. Editors for the Los Angeles Times, The New York Times and the Chicago Tribune admitted to deliberately censoring information about black crime for political reasons, in an effort to “guard against subjecting an entire group of people to suspicion.””

    “One doesn’t have to be a liberal, conservative, Democrat or Republican to see the danger posed by America’s race hustlers, who are stacking up piles of combustible racial kindling and ready for a racial arsonist to set it ablaze. Recruiters for white hate groups must love President Obama’s demagoguery in saying that a son of his would look like Trayvon but not saying that Melissa Coon’s 13-year-old son, who was set on fire, could have looked like a son of his. After all, the president is just as much white as he is black.”

    http://jewishworldreview.com/cols/williamns041112.php3

  72. LornaDoone says:

    geeter – what does any of that have to do with local news or this blog?

    It would appear that those cases are being handled by the police. Maybe if the Martin killing had been handled by the police, this would not be an issue.

  73. averageJoseph says:

    Keep telling lies Mr. Hill.

    BTW, have you heard? Besides the local law and prosecutor investigating the Trayvon case, Mr. Eric Holder and his “justice” dept. are investigating. (Holder spoke this morning at Al Sharpton’s activist rally where he confirmed it).

    :)

  74. “we can look forward to book-burnings in our future too!”

    We sure will if we keep electing far right fascist, just look at the oppression they have planned for women, books will be nothing!

  75. geeterpontiac says:

    LD — The issue was handled by the police in the Martin case. I assume (like many others) you didn’t like the outcome so you and many others, now say it wasn’t handled by the police. :)

    The point is, it was, but now the race baiters have jumped into the fray and are manipulating a tragedy for political gain. And, even those who hold responsible positions (such as President Obama) who should be doing what they can to head off and minimize the potential for violence in this situation are doing the opposite, and at the very least, indirecdtly stoking the fire for political gain. Sad, but true.

    In addition, another of Williams points is that black on white, or black on asian, etc, racist behavior is ignored or smothered by media. So, we see a double standard in evidence.

    The mistreatment and/or abuse of someone simply because they are a different color, ethic group, gay/lesbian, etc, should be treated seriously.

    But, if we are interested in justice, we must treat everyone the same. To do otherwise, is to discard justice in the interest of preference. And that, is not justice, it is injustice.

  76. I didn’t say they were.

  77. aislander says:

    “Avoid buildings where people throw up their hands to a nothing.”

    I appreciate your concern, but I’m sure I won’t be attending any Obama rallies…

  78. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    “To acknowledge Zimmerman’s slur (which I still do)…”

    Uhmm, since you appear to be one of a fraction of a fraction of even non-objective folks who have heard that audio and still believe you hear a racial slur, I think that’s both the point and the problem.

    You hear what you want to hear, Larna.

    And BTW, exactly what did I “edit”? Hell, I even linked the url’s so folks could read how you spent a full day painting Zimmerman as a racist before softening your tone a bit after CNN’s walk-back of the Anderson Cooper/ Gary Tuchman allegations started drawing cat-calls the following day.

    Your not an artist, Larrna, you’re a connect-the-dots kinda’ provocateur.

  79. SandHills says:

    What this thread and many other threads about many other issues in the TNT and other online forums across the country is the absoluteness of opinions that clearly illustrates we now live in two different nations – which has been termed “Red State/BlueState.

    No matter how many postings looneytoons and beergut posts they will never make a dent in the attitudes and beliefs of those who live and breathe in their Red State reality. And those who get in a tit-for-tat exchange of posts with them will never alter their Blue State reality – even if they have all the free time looneytoons and beergut must have to post so much.

    This shooting is seen from two sides of a divide I doubt will ever be breached. I am on the side that should Zimmerman be brought up on charges now it will be seen as done because of political pressure not any actual evidence obtained at the scene.

    But if looneytoones and beergut want to keep hammering away, well they are only preaching to the choir who can only see the world through the same biased lenses.

    The best anyone can do who don’t agree with these two is to avoid trying to match them post for post – it is a losing proposition unless you are unemployed or live on some sort of entitlement program, who else has the time to post as much as they do?

  80. geeterpontiac says:

    Nicely said SandHills

  81. I anxiously await another “Brutha” Al Sharpton defeat. His track record thus far with the Brawley fiasco and the Duke case is not enough to embarrass that fool. He is nothing but a buzzard looking for rotting meat to feast on.

  82. LornaDoone says:

    “No matter how many postings looneytoons and beergut posts they will never make a dent in the attitudes and beliefs of those who live and breathe in their Red State reality.”

    Nicely said, Sand Hills. I can only speak for myself when I say that I’m well aware that “Red State reality” doesn’t allow for thinking outside the partisan lines. This issue is the prime example.

    I have never in all my life seen a group of people get on the bandwagon of someone that will be charged in three hours, with the unneccessary killing of a teen. With that sort of mindset there is no changing.

    On the other hand, I would be irresponsible as an American to sit silently and allow the “Red State reality” to become “reality” by default, which is what that “Red State” mindset would love.

    If my recognition of the simple truths of a man killing a teenage kid is “biased” so be it. As to my time and how I use it, well it seems that “geeter” is here along side me, so he/she must be enjoying the same entitlement as I am.

    The argument is won when the other side attempts to deny your ability or right to stipulate.

  83. geeterpontiac says:

    frosty, the problem is that even if Sharpton is defeated and/or exposed, the damage is done. People like Sharpton are not capable of being embarassed. If they were, they would have become more responsible over time.

    In addition, even if Sharpton is discredited, it will cost him nothing. He will still be employed by CNN (I think that is who he works for) and he will pay no penalty.

    The only people that lose are the innocent people whose reputations and lives are tarnished and/or destroyed. I am not referring to the Zimmerman types, but merely the people who are associated with the case and have merely tried to do the best job they could under the circumstances. And of course, the wall of division between black, white, hispanic, etc, will have another brick added to it.

    So, the circus goes on and the politicos breed as they feast upon the harvest of the crop of divisiveness they have planted.

  84. Sandhills – anyone who stoops to screen name mocking is rather bathetic.

  85. LornaDoone says:

    “You hear what you want to hear”

    Interesting assertion from someone who didn’t say a word about what Zimmerman said until someone said “this is what Zimmerman said”.

    Can you tell us why, on March 26, 2012, Joe Oliver claimed Zimmerman said “goon” and no one disputed it? Details, details, huh?

    On April 5, 2012 “George Zimmerman told his lawyers that he whispered “punks,” not a racial slur, in the moments before he shot Trayvon Martin, his attorneys told CNN on Thursday.”

    Then there is this convolution – http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2012/04/04/george-zimmermans-911-call-audio-enhanced/

    I can only guess that you haven’t listened to the alleged “enhanced” audio because the “enhancement” made it more difficult to hear, but the bottom line is that NO CONCLUSION was arrived, other than in the right wing blogosphere. The CNN broadcast was April 4, according to the link to the site.

    You might have convinced me if you tried to say that Zimmerman said “moon”, Oliver said “goon” and I think I heard “coon”. Either way, put it in context to “they always get away” and I doubt that Zimmerman was saying either the “cold” or “moon” always gets away, nor would he refer to them in a plural sense.

    The calendar denotes you as a liar. The “new CNN word” didn’t come up until after the first of April. My comments about Zimmerman not being a racist preceed that.

    This is more of the same – deflect the conversation from Zimmerman to “you said this and that”.

  86. A Florida special prosecutor has decided to charge neighborhood watch captain George Zimmerman in the shooting death of unarmed teen Trayvon Martin, sources told ABC News.

    The decision by Florida special prosecutor Angela Corey is expected to be announced at a 6 p.m. news conference in Jacksonville, Fla.
    http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-charged-trayvon-martin-killing/story?id=16115469

  87. After Zimmerman received medical attention, it was decided that he was in good enough condition to travel in a police cruiser to the Sanford police station for questioning. He was not arrested.

    ibid.

    The prosecuter has a reputation for being a bulldog – unlikely she is bringing charges that she won’t have a good chance of winning – yet the cops didn’t arrest him.

  88. geeterpontiac says:

    LD,

    Note that Sandhills also said this,

    “And those who get in a tit-for-tat exchange of posts with them will never alter their Blue State reality”

    I believe that Sandhills is pointing out that both sides are just as partisan.

    The partisanship is not the exclusive mindset of either “red” or “blue” states.

    Both own a piece of it.

  89. LornaDoone says:

    “He will still be employed by CNN (I think that is who he works for) and he will pay no penalty.”

    Sort of like you paying no penalty for not having the knowledge of Sharpton’s employer? Like paying no penalty for insulting other commenters on this thread?

    I’d love to know exactly what Sharpton can be wrong about, since I doubt that frosty nor geeter, et al, even know what Sharpton has said about the case. Sharpton’s position has been that the case was mishandled. I would appear, based on evidence, that Reverend Al is exactly correct and that frosty and geeter are using his presence as a distraction.

    I’m just wondering, why are the two of you so determined to see the killing of an unarmed teen go without the proper law enforcement action? I haven’t seen such blind devotion since Byron De La Beckwith.

  90. LornaDoone says:

    “Both own a piece of it”

    yeah. My piece is I want law enforcement to do their job properly. I guess your piece is that you oppose me.

    I’m fine with that.

  91. LornaDoone says:

    geeter – I’m a little concerned for you. With all of your comments are your entitlements going to run out? Let me guess, you are an internet millionaire, right?

  92. averageJoseph says:

    I’m still laughing at this knee slapper…
    …this story started out in the mainstream media as a factual recall of the events known to the story. It was found that the police tremendously mishandled the case. The media then investigates further and finds out more.

  93. geeterpontiac says:

    LD,

    My entitlement is forced retirement. I collect a small retirement, a bit of social security, and, my wife still works a couple of days a week part time.

    Out of that bit of income, we try to help our kids a bit, since they have had trouble finding jobs, and are sweating blood trying to keep their head above the water.

    But, we are thankful for what we have and that we are able to help to some extent.

    It is raining today where I am at. Otherwise, I would be out in the yard doing something useful. :)

    I don’t think I really oppose you as much as differ on the way we need to approach issues. I believe we both share the same concerns.

    I just don’t think we are going to solve our problems as a country in terms of race, economics, healthcare, etc, with the approach we are using. It is really frustrating to see us being played off against each other by these politicos on both sides,and the media.

  94. LornaDoone says:

    “It was found that the police tremendously mishandled the case. The media then investigates further and finds out more.”

    Since the prosecutor has charged Zimmerman with 2nd degree murder and the Sandord police let him go without a court hearing, it is obvious that the police tremendously mishandled the case and the action taken today would not have happened had it not been for the media and the backlash from citizens.

  95. “and the action taken today would not have happened had it not been for the media and the backlash from citizens.”

    A logical deduction BUT, we cannot know that for sure without having access to what has gone on in the Prosecuters Office over the past month – something I doubt very much will ever be shared with the public.

  96. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    Ahh, the wheels of justice.

    I’m not so sure the pressure to prosecute brought upon a local authority by media and mob is such a good thing. Considering the original request was to bring charges for manslaughter was denied due to lack of evidence, it does seem a bit curious that the state prosecutor ratcheted it up to M2.

    But now Court TV has another blockbuster – good for ratings. And when the whole thing has finally played-out – including appeals – I’ll remain confident in the American Justice system and skeptical of the sensationalist media and those who would advocate mob justice.

    Next up; change of venue.

  97. LornaDoone says:

    The newest talking point –

    “I’m not so sure the pressure to prosecute brought upon a local authority by media and mob is such a good thing.”

    The prosecutor has EVIDENCE with which to make her judgement. I’m certain it’s more than a few right wing bloggers and conjecture. She wouldn’t be there if not for the poor judgement and equally poor actions on the part of the police. I’ll trust her integrity, knowledge and impartiality.

    Meanwhile, regardless of how a certain group of people see it, justice is being done. Someone involved in a killing is going to a court decision as to if he should not be incarcerated. That is the correct way to do things.

  98. Desperation sets in…….court TV?

  99. sandblower says:

    2nd degree murder is the charge. Now we get to wait for the verdict. Will you all be quiet?

  100. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Lardnos, where did she get that evidence?

  101. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    Lardna, the prosecutor has discretion and, since she was brought in from as different jurisdiction, very little to lose with any indictment of Zimmerman. I’m just a little surprised she went all M2 rather than MS.

    But anyone who wasn’t expecting an indictment is truly living under a rock. There is so much pressure on authorities in Fla from media, race baiters, and the Justice Dept, there couldn’t have been any other outcome.

    Now we’ll let the wheels of justice have their turn. Kind’a what those of us who don’t live in lala land have been saying/ asking all along.

    And yes, Bandit, you’ll see it all on Court TV. Better grab your seat and a very large bowl of popcorn – gonna’ be a lonnnng show.

  102. LornaDoone says:

    Race baiters – the new term for those that want justice.

  103. “I’m just a little surprised she went all M2 rather than MS.”

    As am I – that suggests that her evidence is a heck of a lot stronger than the naysayers would have us believe.

  104. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Naysayer now equals those that did not rush judgement and did not call for a lynching. Nice.

    By the way, the verdict is not in yet, simply an arrest made. I am curious to see all of the evidence.

  105. alindasue says:

    beerBoy said, “As am I – that suggests that her evidence is a heck of a lot stronger than the naysayers would have us believe.”

    I could understand the prosecutor charging “murder 2″ instead of “manslaughter” if she thought Mr. Zimmerman’s actions provoked the fight that led to the shooting. That may be her reasoning.

  106. LornaDoone says:

    What is the talking point of the hour, Sandy?

  107. LornaDoone says:

    “I could understand the prosecutor charging “murder 2″ instead of “manslaughter” if she thought Mr. Zimmerman’s actions provoked the fight that led to the shooting. That may be her reasoning.”

    The good part, alindasue, is that this prosecutor is way ahead of the game and isn’t sharing any information with the press. She was quite candid about what would be and what would not be discussed. I’m confident that she isn’t playing poker and after listening to Zimmerman’s attorney, I’d say he’ll have his hands full just trying to get her to agree to a bond, which is not law in this county.

    A Murder Two charge in said county gets you straight to jail, do not pass “Go” do not collect $200.

    Evidence is for the court room only so that certain coughmediapukeFOXcough can’t taint the jury.

    If not for the tragedy of the situation, I wanted to laugh at Hannity saying “we want to get Zimmerman’s side of the story” – as if he had gotten Trayvon’s side. Hey Sean – a hint – TRAYVON IS DEAD!

  108. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Lardnos,

    Getting both sides of a story. Wow, crazy idea. You see, your media picks a position then states it as fact. With Fox you get to hear both sides of an argument.

    We heard from TM’s family, congressmen, Rev Al, etc, all pretending to care about TM and justice. The only people that truly care are his parent (I hope). The rest are just looking to cash in, stir up a race issue to justify their existence and get a few people to vote based on fear.

  109. Now the real problem – for both sides – is finding a jury pool that isn’t tainted by all of the prior media coverage.

  110. bBoy – why Murder2 – Manslaughter is a lesser included charge. By trying for M2, the jury has the option of finding him guilty of either.

    Concided7 – pathetic as usual. Fox has to claim to be fair and balacned because they are not and never have been.

  111. The next big event which will set the real course of the court case is a hearing before a judge, not a jury. The “Stand Your Ground” defense will get to be tested in this case, and the judge will only have to determine which side has the “weightier” evidence.

    The original prosecutor in the case wanted it to go at least this far. If he had prevailed, I don’t think we would have had the outrage in this case, even if the judge had agreed with the defense.

    We might have had one more situation where this law might have been in question, but not the questions of incompetence, racial motivations, political influence by the defendent’s father, and all of the other hypotheticals surrounding this case.

    I do think we have been reminded that the killing of some people might not get the in-depth (and expensive) investigation that others receive. I don’t think we would have seen intensive forensic analysis of the audio tapes, rooting out of witnesses (on both sides) and other analyses that the media has provided.

    Now that Zimmerman has a defense fund, he will have extremely competent representation and funds for all kinds of “experts” for support.

    The media involvement will make sure the prosecution doesn’t skimp due to budgetary restrictions or political pressures.

    If it does go to a jury, they will have the option to determine if it was “an accident’ as Martin’s mother supposes, and bring a manslaughter or less verdict, including innocence.

  112. averageJoseph says:

    At the end of the day what we DO know is, various media manipulated facts to fit an agenda.

    Not once, have I ever remarked whether Zimmerman’s actions were justified or he was guilty of a crime.

    “poor media coverage”… that’s a bit of an understatement.

  113. averageJoseph says:

    “I do think we have been reminded that the killing of some people might not get the in-depth (and expensive) investigation that others receive”

    Yes, we have.

    geeterpontiac says:
    April 11, 2012 at 10:22 am

  114. THE MOST IMPORTANT THING SAID ABOUT THIS CASE THUS FAR…

    “we cannot know that for sure without having access to what has gone on”

    The energy spent on this thread making judgment calls about this case is a shocking waste, and an illustration of one of the most severe ailments of this culture. The phrase, “get a life” comes to mind.

  115. “I am curious to see all of the evidence.”

    Not seeing the evidence hasn’t stopped you from claiming the killer is innocent, so you admit you know nothing?

  116. averageJoseph says:

    Stop lying and please provide something to show where concernedtacoma7 ever claimed Zimmerman is innocent.

  117. LornaDoone says:

    averageJoseph says:
    April 12, 2012 at 9:08 am Stop lying and please provide something to show where concernedtacoma7 ever claimed Zimmerman is innocent.

    AND…

    I have read the posts and I have found no where that anybody proclaimed Zimmerman innocent of a crime…

    And now, from THIS thread, from CT7 – “All known evidence backs up Zimmerman’s version of events that night.”

    Unless Zim’s version has him as guilty…..

  118. LornaDoone says:

    kluwer – they have already been denying the evidence that the special prosecutor won’t share…..LOL

  119. averageJoseph says:

    That’s a very loose example of declaring innocence. LOL.

  120. LornaDoone says:

    “The phrase, “get a life” comes to mind.” – sozo

    Yeah, we need more lurking and snarky comments and less discussion on the subject.

    What would you have to comment on, sozo, if not for other’s comments?

  121. The “Stand Your Ground” defense will get to be tested in this case

    In a country that saw a man who climbed into a window, eluded security guards and laid in wait to assassinate a mayor and a city council member get off through the “Twinkie Defense”, I am less than confident that, if guilty, he will get convicted.

    And….if convicted, look for years of appeals based upon the Stand Your Ground defense to go all the way up to the Supremes – who will rule 5 to 9 to overthrow based upon some broccoli logic.

  122. The “Stand Your Ground” defense will get to be tested in this case

    In a country that saw a man who climbed into a window, eluded security guards and laid in wait to assassinate a mayor and a city council member get off through the “Twinkie Defense”, I am less than confident that, if guilty, he will get convicted.

    And….if convicted, look for years of appeals based upon the Stand Your Ground defense to go all the way up to the Supremes – who will rule 5 to 9 to overthrow based upon some broccoli logic.

  123. did I close the bold command?

  124. Apologies for the double post.

  125. LornaDoone says:

    “That’s a very loose example of declaring innocence. LOL.”

    Was he declaring “guilty”? You only get two choices.

    I knew you’d try to weasel word your way out.

  126. LornaDoone says:

    More of CT7’s assertions of possible guilt:

    “The guy did talk to the police, and helps explain why Zimmerman is not jail.”

    “there is a witness. Backs up Zimmerman’s version of events”

  127. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    “And now, from THIS thread, from CT7 – “All known evidence backs up Zimmerman’s version of events that night.”

    Unless Zim’s version has him as guilty…..”

    Great, Larrna, then by your latest standards – and based on the content of your comments which were posted up-thread – you are now officially acknowledging your attempts to paint Zimmerman a racist.

    Thanks for the admission/ clarification.

    Sorry Larrna, you can’t have it both ways this time.

    Hypocrisy meter: Off the Chart

  128. “kluwer – they have already been denying the evidence that the special prosecutor won’t share…..LOL”

    Of course they have, they need the racist to be innocent.

  129. LornaDoone says:

    Sandy, you need to work on your reading comprehension, dear.

  130. “An NBC News producer has been fired”

    Yet no one, to my knowledge has been fired over at the Daily Caller….

  131. All of the sudden, Looney flatbread is all for letting “justice” be done in the court room, it was just last week that looney and friends had already convicted and executed Zimmerman. When I suggested last week that they should back off and let the legal system handle the case before they made allegations about Zimmerman’s guilt, they had already had him tried and convicted before all of the evidence was in. Amazing what can happen in a week isn’t it? Could it be that they are already preparing for damage control?

  132. averageJoseph says:

    What’s “the daily caller” ?

  133. averageJoseph says:

    So it appears the democrat party has declared a war on mothers. LMAO>

  134. LornaDoone says:

    Tucker Carlson isn’t doing such a good job at promoting his new website. He went to the bottom of the barrel and couldn’t chum the average CON.

  135. LornaDoone says:

    non-partisan comment:

    frosty says:
    April 4, 2012 at 1:19 pm Oh, for goodness sake! Let’s just let “brutha” Al “Shopton” get to the bottom of this whole mess. I can’t wait to hear him state what is so obvious to everyone, “uh uh uh uh uh uh, “dey knows what dey are doin”, “dem republicans is always tryn to uh uh uh uh uh , cause trouble, just axe dem, dey knows dey is uh uh uh uh wrong.

    I can’t find the part about “need more evidence”

  136. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    “Yet no one, to my knowledge has been fired over at the Daily Caller….”

    bB, we get that you’ve found one example of a generally right-leaning on-line publication whose attempts to counter the flame fanning done by left-leaning blogs, publications, and personalities were questionable in nature, at best.

    But ignoring the fact they did not edit the images shown, or overtly suggest they present anything but a less favorable image of Martin, if you’re going to apply the standards equally you must ask yourself why no one has been fired at the New York Times, mediaite, Daily Kos, Huffington Post, motherjones, msnbc, etc, for publishing Zimmerman’s police record.

    And can we fire Larna for doing the same right here? (Since you can’t fire someone who, judging from his permanent presence here, doesn’t have a job anyway, an apology to Mr. Zimmerman would do.)

    See… hammering on the Daily Caller just doesn’t raise the blood pressure to quite the same level as an ABC, CNN, or NBC. And before you reach for the “Faux News” card, please read this from your own link (Poynter.org):

    “PEJ also reports that MSNBC has devoted three times as much of its news coverage to the story as Fox News.”

  137. LornaDoone says:

    Well, let’s see:

    “frosty says:
    March 31, 2012 at 9:47 am All of this speculation on the part of the lefties is simply that, speculation. Wait until the case goes to court before you claim to know everything about this case. You are just going to prove once again how wrong you are on practically all issues”

    Let’s see now. Did the “lefties” (because they are the ONLY ones that can see an unarmed kid got killed) speculate about Trayvon’s guilt because he was allegedly suspended from school? Did they speculate that Trayvon was killing Zimmerman, although polite video doesn’t seem to demonstrate such?

    What we do know is that a special prosecutor was brought in, investigated the facts in the case and brought in a Murder, Second Degree charge. I’m going to suggest that there might be a fact or two that was being denied by those that want to see a kid killer go free because it serves their politics.

  138. LornaDoone says:

    “PEJ also reports that MSNBC has devoted three times as much of its news coverage to the story as Fox News.”

    FOX isn’t a news channel. It’s entertainment.

  139. LornaDoone says:

    Fire Malkin. Oh that’s right she just made ‘a mistake’.

    How do you make a mistake on a photo?

  140. LornaDoone says:

    What was mysteriously left off by The Beach:

    “MSNBC also devoted the most attention to the gun control issue. In contrast, “questions about Trayvon Martin and the defense of Zimmerman garnered the most attention” on Fox News, the study noted.”

  141. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    Gad, Larryna, that’s the best example of cherry picking and editing for effect I’ve seen in a long time. Let’s have the whole story sans editorializing by you, shall we:

    “MSNBC, with a liberal prime time lineup, devoted the largest portion of its newshole to the story. Fully 49% of MSNBC programming studied was dedicated to the case. On CNN, the case made up 40% of the hours studied during the period. Fox News covered the story much less than the other two outlets. It devoted 15% of its airtime studied to the case. Not only did the three cable news channels cover the story to different degrees. They homed in on different aspects of the case.

    MSNBC devoted the most attention the gun control issue and Florida’s Stand Your Ground law. The second-most popular topic on MSNBC was the city of Sanford, including discussion of its police force and the city’s rocky racial history.

    The leading theme of CNN’s coverage of the case involved questions about Trayvon Martin and the defense of Zimmerman followed closely by straight news accounts.

    On Fox, questions about Trayvon Martin’s past and statements in defense of George Zimmerman also garnered the most attention by far. That was followed by attention to the media’s handling of the story.”

    Lame, Larryna really lame.

  142. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    “I’m going to suggest that there might be a fact or two that was being denied by those that want to see a kid killer go free because it serves their politics.”

    Straw Man 1 – Rest of Field 0/ DNS.

  143. LornaDoone says:

    The Sandy Beach got forced to not edit a piece for convenience.

    As could be expected, FOX spent their time trying to defend Zimmerman and degrade Martin, while MSNBC spoke to the problem – a bad law.

    As to my comment about facts that the prosecutor found important that the CONS were trying to deny – time will provide all the answers. As soon as the facts of the case are revealed, you can bet your grocery money that I’ll be looking up the documented denials that were already posted by the regular cast of characters.

  144. “What’s “the daily caller” ?”

    Check your archives, I’m getting a sense of deja vu here – if you keep posting obtuse comments I’m going to have to conclude that it isn’t intentional obtuseness – you just can’t help yourself.

  145. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    “As to my comment about facts that the prosecutor found important that the CONS were trying to deny…”

    What “facts that the prosecutor found” do you know of, oh all-seeing Carnac?

    If there has been one constant in this entire ginned-up exercise in trial-by-media episode, it’s the shocking ignorance of any facts that you’ve displayed over the last three weeks. (Of course, I’m only addressing this topic but, generally speaking, the previous sentence would also be applicable to your entire body of work here over the last three years and countless aliasses[sic].)

    And at 49% to 15%, I’d take the bet that bet msnbc spent more air time ginning-up the racial angle than Fox spent on the entire story.

  146. LornaDoone says:

    Hyperbole much, Sandy Beach?

  147. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    Larry we know who the Hill you are – who’s Sandy Beach?

  148. averageJoseph says:

    You never answered it the first time I asked Bb.
    The first time I heard of the daoly caller was when you used the name to deflect from the fact a well known news network selectively edited the 911 audio making it appear as tho Zimmerman was racist.
    Help me here, was it the same network that fired Rather for the fraudulant story he ran with, or a different network?

  149. The Daily Caller is a media outlet that hasn’t fired anyone for their fraudulent stories about Martin.

    But then, when was the last time a reactionary “news” persona ever was forced to resign for faking the news?

  150. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    Better question is why are they allowed to stay until they do something so egregious that the parent company can no longer justify circulation/ ratings against the negative publicity.

    Jayson Blair and Sari Horowitz come to mind.

  151. averageJoseph says:

    Oh, the caller is an inconsequential internet media outlet that most people don’t even know exists, I get it. (it’s called deflection…)

    Dan Rather comes to mind of course.

  152. (it’s called deflection…)

    A more accurate description of your tactic would be deflection through intentional obtuseness.

    But then…as I have written before….perhaps it isn’t intentional and you just can’t help yourself.

  153. LornaDoone says:

    Someone seems a little too worried….

  154. we get that you’ve found one example of a generally right-leaning on-line publication whose attempts to counter the flame fanning done by left-leaning blogs, publications, and personalities were questionable in nature, at best.

    Vox….I just dealt with one of very many (if I had posted every example I probably would be accused of “wallpapering”)…..and your use of “counter” is rather disingenuous – slandering the victim does nothing to “counter” (and it is, yet again, an example of the “they did it first” mentality that is all too common amongst Rightists). For your elucidation, follow this post:

    http://gothamist.com/2012/03/27/right_wing_media_keeps_attacking_tr.php#photo-1
    Right Wing Media Takes Aim At Trayvon Martin And His Supporters

  155. took14theteam says:

    Check

  156. took14theteam says:

    Just making sure bB din’t make this dying thread Bold and Italic.

  157. LornaDoone, thank you for the quotation of my comments about “brutha” Al Shopton, I’m glad it got your attention and made an impression. I’ll be more than happy to keep ‘em comin’, just for you. After all, he is the real star on MSNBC, followed closely by “thrill up my leg” Matthews and Ed “sergeant’ Schultz. LOL

  158. for some reason the endless italic is more common an error than the endless bold.

  159. Not to mention the endless bickering.

  160. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    berBs, please, I’m not going to contribute to the hit count of a leftist rag titled “gothamist.com” – or whatever. You needn’t provide such links, I am already convinced one can find support for anything on the interweb – regardless.

    FWI, any article that contains the phrase “right wing media” in the header, and the fact you had to go to “gothamist.com” in the first place, pretty much says it all.

  161. aislander says:

    If I recall correctly, the original Gotham was noted for the foolishness of its citizens…

  162. vox – I will occasionally visit the freerepublic by following links.

    And sometimes I find that there is some decent material there.

    Perhaps a little stretching is in order – on both sides.

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