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RELIGION: Remove 700 Club tax exemptions

Letter by Larry Carlson, Tacoma on April 6, 2012 at 9:59 am with 52 Comments »
April 6, 2012 9:59 am

I have contacted the Christian Broadcast Network and expressed my displeasure with the 700 Club (Pat Robertson) increasingly using congregation dollars to promote his political viewpoint over the airwaves.

I am advocating removal of any tax exemptions from this organization as a result of its political activities. The 700 Club is a PAC operating under the guise of evangelism.

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  1. Pecksbadboy says:

    The 700 Club is only the proverbial tip of the iceberg.

  2. Tax them all, they all dabble in politics, mostly the catholic’s and the mormons, so just tax them all and be done with it.
    They are all cults and a huge scam anyway.

  3. sumyungboi says:

    Do you also advocate removal of mmfa’s 501(c)(3) tax exept status? If you don’t, you’re a hypocrite and a low level hack.

  4. Theefrinker says:

    Owning a building where people gather to talk about an invisible decedant doesn’t seem deserving of property tax exemption to me; and further, should be subject to business taxes as well. You can’t say you’re non-profit and then pass around a plate to collect money.

  5. Theefrinker says:

    Owning a building where people gather to talk about an invisible decedent doesn’t seem deserving of property tax exemption to me; and further, should be subject to business taxes as well. You can’t say you’re non-profit and then pass around a plate to collect money.

  6. LornaDoone says:

    Is Media Matters a religion? I didn’t think so.

    Media Matters for America is a Web-based, not-for-profit, 501(c)(3) progressive research and information center dedicated to comprehensively monitoring, analyzing, and correcting conservative misinformation in the U.S. media.

    Media Matters is just like the Heritage Foundation. Should we eliminate their 501(c)3 also? I think we just redefined “low level hacks”

  7. LornaDoone says:

    The Heritage Foundation is an American conservative think tank based in Washington, D.C. Heritage’s stated mission is to “formulate and promote conservative public policies based on the principles of free enterprise, limited government, individual freedom, traditional American values, and a strong national defense.

    Media Matters for America is a Web-based, not-for-profit, 501(c)(3) progressive research and information center dedicated to comprehensively monitoring, analyzing, and correcting conservative misinformation in the U.S. media.

    If either are in violation of their 501(c)3 status, it would be Heritage who is PROMOTING conservative policy, as opposed to “monitoring and correcting misinformation”.

    In the case of a religion, when they start directing political policy “from the pulpit”, they are in violation, not to mention in violation of the reason for their existance.

  8. aislander says:

    Heritage promotes; Media Matters attacks. But never mind that.

    I would LOVE for someone to attempt to have the tax-exempt status of a church or religious organization removed, since there is now an anti-ACLU to put up a defense. So far, when such an organization has defended itself forcefully, the IRS has folded, not WANTING a definitive ruling to come down. They fear the First Amendment would prevail, and threats keep a lot of pastors in line.

    The history of churches’ involvement with politics goes back to before the Revolution. The Black Robe Regiment was instrumental in building momentum to break with England, and the Abolitionist Movement was mostly church-driven…

  9. sumyungboi says:

    Okay, so in summary, a religious organization that advocates conservatism should lose their tax free status, while a non-religious organization that advocates progressivism should keep theirs. You don’t really think too many steps ahead, do you. :)

  10. sumyungboi says:

    aislander, lorna simply says what he thinks he’s supposed to say as part of the democrat’s war on religion.

  11. Must be getting close to the weekend, the right is attacking more and more.

  12. Should “Reverend” Al Sharpton also drop his title, which is used strictly for the purpose of avoiding taxes as well? How about Jeremiah Wright’s church in Chicago, are you going to say that he doesn’t dabble in politics? The list goes on and on. If you want to pick on the 700 Club, watch out what you are asking for. You leftists usually open a mess that you are unable to contain, so knock yourselves out, go for it!

  13. Frosty? I say TAX EM ALL! There.

  14. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Remove the tax on all entities, profit or not. Flat tax evenly to all citizens, shrink govt back to a law enforcement, defense role.

  15. Frankenchrist says:

    If a bunch of nuts want to gather to pray to an invisible superhero who lives in the sky and sing to a bloody corpse hanging on the wall, that’s fine with me. But tax the hell out of them.

  16. Due to the damage they cause all religions should be taxed at triple the rate.

  17. Amen!

  18. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    No surprise to see the idiotic “Constitution only applies to me” rants from the usual anti-Christian bigots that populate this forum – none of whom, I’d wager, are smart enough to know the difference between a 501(c)3 and an ICU2TV. And never mind the difference between the First Amendment and their status as someone’s “first dependent”.

    Ignoring the trolls, I don’t necessarily disagree with the writer. Though I can’t say I’ve ever sat down and watched The 700 Club – so I don’t know. But if Robertson (who is undeniably a political partisan) has spoken out in any tangible way against activities deemed legal, or against any candidates, he has placed his 501c3 status in jeopardy under the law and, since the 700 Club is not a church, it could be revoked. But having said that, I think there are many other organizations – including some churches (think Lois Farrakhan and the famous reverend Wright) – that would more clearly be in jeopardy.

    And let’s face it, if Robertson were to lose his tax-exempt status for his TV show, it wouldn’t change a thing – other than the government would collect what amounts to a pittance in revenue from this new source. The show would remain on the air as a for-profit entity and, if anything, it would unleash Robertson… remove the constraints (however now limited) and thus allow him to clearly enunciate partisan political stands against issues, laws, politicians, and candidates. Maybe it would be better if Larry stopped whining and just did what the rest of us do – change the channel.

    Careful what you wish for, Mr. Carlson.

  19. cadana1961 says:

    Tell me how I need to live, I say “Time to Tax your a$$”; Tell me who I need to love and marry, I say “Time to Tax your a$$”; Tell me how I need to obtain birth control, I say “Time to Tax your a$$”; Wave a bible in my face, I say “Time to Tax your a$$”; Want to influence my kid’s science class because YOU discredit science and want the teacher to support crap/creationism, I say “Time to Tax your a$$”; Want to take my country back to when the church ruled over all, I say “Time to Tax your a$$” For every radical religious right tool: the Heritage Foundation, Rick Santorum/Michelle Bachmann/Herman Cain and every politican who sez God told them to run for political office, Liberty University, Oral Roberts University, every religious private school, every other “God” university, the church, the pulpit, and every two-bit faith-based “holier’than’thou” charity, time to TAX your a$$ … As a taxpayer, I pay my fair share … Now it’s time for the church to be treated like every other business (yes, it’s a BUSINESS)and pay TAXES!

  20. Amen!

  21. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    Tell me how I need to live, I say “Time to Tax your a$$”

    i.e, Tax the Center for Science in the Public Interest (501c3)

    Tell me who I need to love and marry, I say “Time to Tax your a$$”; Tell me how I need to obtain birth control, I say “Time to Tax your a$$”

    i.e., tax Planned Parenthood (501c3)

    Wave a bible in my face, I say “Time to Tax your a$$”

    I.e. tax American Atheists (501c3)

    Want to influence my kid’s science class because YOU discredit science and want the teacher to support crap… I say “Time to Tax your a$$”

    i.e. tax the ACLU (501c3)

    As a taxpayer, I pay my fair share … Now it’s time for the church to be treated like every other business (yes, it’s a BUSINESS)and pay TAXES!

    YEAH ‘cuz the First Amendment only applies to people that I like!!!

    Classic loony liberal bigotry and hypocrisy on display here. Thanks for that, but we don’t need to be reminded.

    Here’s one more just for you:

    Don’t make over 50k per year, I say “Time to Tax your a$$”!

  22. menopaws says:

    Vox—Planned Parenthood isn’t on the air 5 days per week……..Church is church………Politics and religion don’t mix and you cannot use your tax exempt status to push a political agenda. That’s the law for heaven’s sake. Pat Robertson and company buy their time on several different channels and then talk 50/50 faith and then politics. He has a perfect right to say what he wants—everyone does…….But, most of us don’t get to solicit donations and NOT be taxed on them………So, you want to talk politics–pay your damn taxes like everyone else does………You are NOT allowed to hide behind your faith and use donation money as a tax dodge when you have a strong political agenda…….Reverend Wright wasn’t on TV 5 days per week, Al Sharpton shouldn’t be—it doesn’t matter what the polItical agenda is—it is WRONG……AND WATCHING THEM FLAUNT THAT STATUS IS AN INSULT TO EVERYONE WHO DOES PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE OF TAXES…..Plus, Billy Graham NEVER used his faith as a political club—his son, sadly, never learned that…..But Graham Sr. is the true standard of how the clergy should behave in our political world…….Class act all the way…..Did the Lord’s work–not any politcal parties!!!!!!

  23. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    Meno, next time read all of my posts before you go an another of your famous selective rants. In this case, a quick reading of my 7:46 post would have saved you a lot of key strokes.

    In other words, for the most part agree with you. But I do support the First Ammendment. And there is a huge difference between a “church” and the 700 Club.

    Churches need not obtain 501c3 tax status – it isn’t required. And if they are not operating as such, they are free to say whatever they wish, as long as the are not inciting/ fomenting violence.

  24. The weekend rightwing trolls are out!

  25. sumyungboi says:

    To the TNT staff who deleted my last comment, (which was so non-offensive it’s almost funny) I wonder why readership is down. :)

  26. sumyungboi says:

    Oh, and kluwer, I must have struck a nerve, no?

  27. aislander says:

    re-post it, sum. I didn’t get to read it…

  28. sumyungboi says:

    Also, tomorrow is Easter, and I would like to say Happy Easter to those of you who are Christian. I know that Easter is the holiest holiday (holy day) for Christians, and I would like to say “thank you” to Christians for The United States of America. Back then, (the founding) most things were about religion, and Christianity was, and still is, the only peaceful way of life.

  29. aislander says:

    …that should have read “hear,” not “here…”

  30. Frankenchrist says:

    Ah yes, Easter. The holy day when all good Christians celebrate a bloody corpse that rose from the dead (a zombie.) Some of them will eat his flesh (cannibalism) and some will drink his blood (vampirism.) Seems to me that Easter should be Halloween.

  31. Happy Ishtar! Welcome the goddess of the Dawn through the “Christian” celebration of baby bunnies and chicks and the giant bunny hiding chocolate and hard boiled eggs and the ceremonial eating of swine!

  32. sumyungboi says:

    Like fishing in a barrel..

    I’ve never understood why so many “compassionate” progressives / liberals feel so compelled to mock in the most insulting ways Christians. There’s definitely a pattern, that being that P/L’s are jerks who get off on picking on people that they know will let it go.

  33. sumy – not mocking Christians, just the ignorant ones who fail to recognize the overtly pagan aspects of many of their “Easter” festivities.

  34. aislander – wrong

    The well-respected and renowned San Francisco-based punk band, The Dead Kennedys’ third album was titled “Frankenchrist”. Clearly the screen name is a tribute to the band and/or the album which featured a photo of Shriners wearing fezzes driving miniature cars in a parade. (I’ve got a copy in my LP collection that is in mint condition)

  35. sumyungboi says:

    beerboy: “not mocking Christians.. ”

    beerboy: “Welcome the goddess of the Dawn through the “Christian” celebration of baby bunnies and chicks and the giant bunny hiding chocolate and hard boiled eggs and the ceremonial eating of swine!”

    You’re just another liar, beerboy, just another liar.

  36. What was a lie?

    Ēostre or Ostara (Northumbrian Old English: Ēostre; West Saxon Old English: Ēastre; Old High German: *Ôstara) is a goddess in Germanic paganism who, by way of the Germanic month bearing her name (Northumbrian: Ēosturmōnaþ; West Saxon: Ēastermōnaþ; Old High German: Ôstarmânoth), is the namesake of the festival of Easter.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C4%92ostre

    Easter brings to mind brightly colored eggs, baskets full of candy, and large chocolate bunnies.
    http://www.cdc.gov/healthypets/easter_chicks.htm

    How to cook the perfect Easter ham
    http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2012/04/04/how-to-cook-perfect-easter-ham/

  37. sumyungboi says:

    Spare us the stupidity beerboy. You said you weren’t mocking Christians, but you were mocking Christians, even within the comment claiming to not be mocking Christians.

  38. aislander says:

    So…where did you guys go to celebrate after leaving St. James?

  39. sumy – nope…just mocking ignorant ones, like you.

  40. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    beerBoy, quit while you’re behind.

    I’m very disappointed in you. I would expect nothing less from the other anti-religious bigots here, but I always thought you had a bit more class.

    Guess not.

  41. sumyungboi says:

    beerboy: “sumy – nope…just mocking ignorant ones, like you.”

    Not a Christian, beerboy, but I don’t feel the need to mock Christians to make myself feel better. Whether you think Jesus was the son of God, just another guy, or was a figment of history’s imagination, I can really find no fault in his social message.

  42. What does the popular celebration of Easter having nothing to do with Jesus have anything to do with your comment?

  43. sumyungboi says:

    The “popular” celebration of Easter would be Christians celebrating a resurrection, and the cuter beerboy tries to be, the smaller he becomes.

  44. Frankenchrist, you need more help than you’re getting from that pipe you’re smoking. Don’t you have some walls somewhere to spray paint on? Loser!

  45. aislander says:

    sum: Your re-post is still up, but MY inoffensive post of April 7 at c. 11:25 PM is now gone…

  46. sumy – in your attempt to “get” me as self-appointed guardian of the tender feelings of Christians (which you claim not to be) you employ obtuseness in order to not get my point.

    Explain what the Easter bunny, decorated eggs and ham have to do with the resurrection of Jesus…….if you can.

  47. sumyungboi says:

    beerboy, I got your point many comments ago, I just dismissed it because it’s dumb. You feel the need, and think it’s cute, to give Christians history lessons on their holidays, and remind them that many of their traditions have zero to do with the actual holiday being celebrated. Big deal, and what’s the point, anyway. I know you don’t honestly believe that adult Christians think that bunnies have anything to do with a resurrection, and your whole point in even typing your comment was to mock Christians, and in a lesser sense, to try to impress other P/L’s with your snarky history lesson. Give it a rest, bub, no one cares.

  48. You feel the need, and think it’s cute

    Those are your interpretations – not what I “feel” or “think”.

    Give it a rest, bub, no one cares.

    It seems you might be the only one that actually cares – and you profess to not be a Christian.

    I would think that, if what I posted was really insulting to Christians, that sozo (who makes her faith a central part of her identity) would have responded. After all – she has chastised me in the past when she felt that I had gone overboard in my statements about religion – why did she choose to be silent now?

  49. What you don’t understand is that I greatly value the significance of ritual. Ritual has meaning. Ritual is important. I deplore the fact that rituals in America have degraded into, essentially, a celebration of consumption.

    Thanksgiving is about eating, watching football and getting ready for the orgy of shopping on Black Friday.

    Christmas is about saving our economy by spending lots of money (on credit) for useless gifts that will soon be forgotten. A fat guy in a red suit, trees, wreaths, carols and some other holdoverss from Germanic pagan rituals.

    New Year’s is about getting mindlessly drunk.

    Veteran’s, Memorial, Labor, Presidents (they don’t even have separate days), MLK, Columbus Days are about the bank being closed, no mail, maybe a day off from school/work, barbecues and sales at the furniture and car stores.

    Halloween is about candy and pumpkins.

    And yes, Easter is about bunnies and eggs.

    I know I am simplifying and putting the worst case forward but, as a whole, the ritual significance of our holidays (holy days) have lost the sacred connection are dwell merely in the profane.

    Pointing this out may make some uncomfortable – it should.

  50. “sacred connection AND dwell merely in the profane”.

  51. and sumy – since you say you aren’t Christian, it appears that you were being rather disingenuous with you post of April 7, 2012 at 4:59 pm.

    You were using Easter and Christianity as an attempt to provoke a response – rather unchristian of you and, downright disrespectful of those who actually believe that it is the holiest day of the year for you to use it with such a debased motives.

  52. Beerboy, I’m sorry that you were kept in the dark during your upbringing about the real meaning of some of our holidays. Just because you were told that Easter is about bunnies and eggs and finding the basket and that Christmas was all about getting presents and over indulging in turkey and a fat guy in a red suit, doesn’t mean that all of us were raised that way. I realize that many people go through their entire life looking for that Easter basket or staring up in the sky looking for the reindeer, they are usually liberals who equate the welfare check in the mailbox to finding the “golden egg”.

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