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HEALTH CARE: Issue should be top priority

Letter by Robert T. Anderson, Gig Harbor on March 29, 2012 at 10:55 am with 78 Comments »
March 29, 2012 11:43 am

Providing health care for every American should be an issue in the next election. It’s ironic that Rob McKenna and all the other state attorneys general who oppose the law have health care provided by the government. It’s also ironic that the current law is modeled on the Republican proposal in opposition to President Clinton’s single-payer plan.

It is unfortunate that the United States has the most expensive health care system and is one of the few developed countries where you can lose your life savings because you have a pre-existing illness. Fortunately, I have Medicare – a single-payer system – but I worry about my children and grandchildren.

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  1. BlaineCGarver says:

    It’s FAR past the time to both dump ObamaCare, AND institute a non-profit (no insurance companies involved) single payer CoOp funded by a national sales tax that everybody pays into. It’s time that Moguls stop profiting on the backs of the sick and dying. Of course, this will not happen because politicians are deep in the pockets of Big Medicine and Health Insurance. We would, of course, have to demand and enforce that the funds were untouchable by Congress, or anyone else lest we end up in the same mess Social Security is in now.

  2. Right now I just want to see Obamacare go the way of the circular file. First things first.

  3. Pacman33 says:

    “Providing health care for every American should be an issue in the next election.”

    Rob McKenna and all the other state attorneys generals are opposing a law that will still leaves 27 million people uninsured according to the CBO. Not only is that far from “every American”, it is approximately how many citizens were uninsured in the Clinton era, then considered to be an ‘national embarrassment’. Yet today, the figure is acceptable; it is even considered “every American” by the left.

  4. But you are only wanting that out of sheer partisan reasons.
    You offer nothing as a solution, your party never has.

    The only real solution, and everyone knows it, is single payer.

    The funny thing is if the right gets what it wants, repeal, they may end up with single payer.

  5. “a law that will still leaves 27 million people uninsured”

    First step in solving this issue is for one side to stop spreading the lies it has been spreading for the last 4 years.

  6. menopaws says:

    For a party that spouts it’s Christian dogma at the drop of a hat, it has always fascinated me that it’s members cheered at one debate when one of their candidates made the statement that if you didn’t have health insurance, it was okay if you died……..As a nation we should be ashamed of ourselves. Democracy doesn’t justify pre-emptive war, Democracy doesn’t justify military families on food stamps, Democracy doesn’t justify people losing everything in order to treat a gravely ill family member. It seems to be very okay to look the other way and even make fun of those who are suffering……..We have become our own worst enemy and like the Roman Empire, we fiddle while Rome burns. Remember this time—it marks a passage. The moment when we ceased to be an example to any other nation of anything but greed, laziness, and sheer mean. 27 million people who cannot go to the Dr. and that’s okay. Wow!!!! I think maybe some of you need to pray for forgiveness.

  7. Menopaws? They forget that Jesus provided health care to the masses. But then again, they seem to forget a lot of what Jesus did/ said.

  8. klthompson says:

    Wow! menopaws laments all of the things democracy doesn’t seem to handle as a democracy should. The last time I looked the USofA is not a democracy. Never has been and, for its survival, never will be. To think otherwise merely demonstrates the total failure of our present educational system.

  9. menopaws says:

    Thanks Frida—sometimes being spiritual on these blogs is hard.

  10. spotted1 says:

    Please explain to me why every person has to have insurance.

    It seems simple enough, if you don’t have insurance, you are required to pay at least a deposit before treatment. However, we believe that I can tell you that you are required to buy insurance because the government says it is good. What will they require us to buy next?

  11. cclngthr says:

    spotted1,
    In my situation, medical insurance premiums just for myself would cost me $2,100 a month even if they accept me, just because I have Cerebral Palsy. Even then, what the company can do is refuse coverages just because they assume my disability would cost them more.

    I have a friend in CA who has CFS and also was refused coverage because of that condition. She also mentioned that some doctors refuse to treat a patient who has cash; they only deal with insurance companies; probably due to not wanting a large amount of cash in the office; a plausible issue which I can accept. Although I personally have not seen doctors refuse to treat cash patients, I can understand they do exist.

    The dentist office I go to does accept small amounts of cash from patients, but a large total, they will require a credit card or certified check for payment; a likely reason for most doctors not wanting to take cash patients.

  12. Pacman33 says:

    “27 million people who cannot go to the Dr. and that’s okay. Wow!!!! I think maybe some of you need to pray for forgiveness.”

    Wow is right. It is incredible how consistently uninformed the left is on issues. They are oblivious to any facts, but they sure can recite the talking points from their nefarious leftist blog sites. It makes me …….. sick.

    Attention To The Obama-Boot-Licking Mindless-Drones:
    The ‘Un-Affordable’ Care Act'(aka 0bamacare) as written, with the mandate still intact, would leave 27 million Americans remaining without insurance.
    ______________________________________

    “Directing attention to that flimsy fact hides the real news in this report. Instead of 23 million individuals being left uninsured, as the CBO previously predicted, it is now estimated that 26 to 27 million will have no insurance at all.”
    http://pnhp.org/blog/2012/03/13/cbo-update-on-coverage-under-aca/

    “ACA is now estimated by CBO and JCT to reduce the number of nonelderly people without health insurance coverage by 30 million to 33 million in 2016 and subsequent years, leaving 26 million to 27 million nonelderly residents uninsured in those years.”
    http://healthreform.kff.org/scan/2012/march/cbo-issues-estimates-for-insurance-coverage-provisions-in-the-aca-and-the-health-insurance-exchanges.aspx

    Updated Estimates for the Insurance Coverage Provisions of the Affordable Care Act
    http://cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/03-13-Coverage%20Estimates.pdf

  13. “What will they require us to buy next?”

    How about car insurance?
    Home owners?
    Fire insurance?

    Oh wait…..

  14. “Attention To The Obama-Boot-Licking Mindless-Drones:”

    When all else fails and your lies are called out…..

  15. menopaws says:

    I keep forgetting that most of you are out on your weekend pass—be sure you continue to take your meds. those of us “boot lickers” want to stay safe in case you have another delusion of sanity or humanity.

  16. averageJoseph says:

    Breathing is not an option in the sense that driving and owning a home are, but you knew that ;)

  17. averageJoseph says:

    Oh, nor will the IRS come after you for a lack of auto insurance.

  18. LornaDoone says:

    “Right now I just want to see Obamacare go the way of the circular file. First things first.”

    Since there is no law called “Obamacare” I guess the only thing sozo would want in the circular file is the silly, childish name given to the Affordable Health Care Act, by the conservatives.

    I want to see a conservative step in front of constituents and say:

    “I opposed the Affordable Health Care Act and want to see pre-existing conditions return and offspring between 18 and 26 not be able to be insured by their parents”

    I guess I’m asking too much

  19. LornaDoone says:

    Mandatory vaginal ultrasound at patient’s expense – Republican approved

    Mandatory insurance for all – not approved

    Now, if the issue is REALLY a required purchase, why would conservatives be passing legislation to make the vaginal ultrasounds a mandatory purchase?

  20. averageJoseph says:
  21. “Breathing is not an option in the sense that driving and owning a home are, but you knew that”

    Going to a doctor is an option, but I’m sure you knew that.

  22. “Oh, nor will the IRS come after you for a lack of auto insurance”

    No, but the Police sure will.

  23. BlaineCGarver says:

    BS….you don’t have to drive, and you don’t have to buy car insurance….health insurance is mandatory no matter what. I’m on the side of universal health, but with EVERYONE paying. I’ll be damned if I want to take my limited wherewithal and spread it around to some more lazy people that won’t carry their own water.

  24. “I’ll be damned if I want to take my limited wherewithal and spread it around to some more lazy people that won’t carry their own water.”

    OK great, but that is what ‘Obamacare’ fixes. Right now you ARE paying for everyone, if they get insurance, you won’t be.
    I fail to understand why this simple thing is so difficult for you righties to grasp.

  25. averageJoseph says:

    Stop lying. The police do not come after you for no auto insurance, especially if you don’t exercise your choice to drive.

  26. averageJoseph says:

    BTW, has anyone heard why Elana “boat o’ money” Kagan (Obama’s former Soliciter General) hasn’t recused herself?

  27. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    Someone needs to look up the definitions and differences between “mandatory” and “optional”.

    Auto, home, and fire, LOL. Isn’t that a State Farm commercial?

    Wow, those taking points are at least three years old.

    Let’s see, State Farm, or state mandated…

  28. “Do you have the integrity to provide what you are claiming to be a lie?”

    I already did.
    Thanks for the “integrity” you showed with the childish name calling.
    What is it with you cons and you lack of vocabulary?

  29. averageJoseph says:

    Say what M_ckibr?

  30. Thanks for your show of integrity pac33, we all knew you had it.

  31. LornaDoone says:

    “Someone needs to look up the definitions and differences between “mandatory” and “optional”.”

    Yes indeed. “Mandatory” is what many states are trying to do with vaginal ultrasounds. “Optional” is what abortion is.

  32. averageJoseph says:

    LOL, you just defeated your own argument LPH.

  33. LornaDoone says:

    Rich Galen, Republican author and strategist on Bill Maher said that despite what he has said in the past about health care insurance, he is now 65 and on Medicare, which is single payer, and thinks it’s wonderful.

  34. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    Yes indeed. “Mandatory” is what many states are trying to do with vaginal ultrasounds.

    I was wondering how long it would take for the the king of deflect/ obfuscate/ hijack to make a predictable move toward manipulating this thread.

    Gee Larna, how long will it take you to inject race into this one?

  35. Hey, let’s just quit screwing around and pass a law requiring everyone to send all of their money to Washington D.C. and they will then pass legislation, which they don’t even read, to take care of us all.

  36. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    @Scottc51 10:25AM:

    Barry 0bama, Elena Kagan, Nanci Pelosi and Harry Reid like this.

  37. SandyQue says:

    Scottc51,

    It’s obvious that you don’t have a solution to the challenges we have as a country. I’m still left to wonder what “send all your money to Washington DC” has to do with wanting health care insurance available to everyone. This is a law that allows people to insure their children up to age 26, assures that people with pre-existing conditions can get insurance and maintains that women should not pay more for insurance than men.

    So, to keep this simple, why don’t you address each of those three issues and tell us why you oppose them

  38. LornaDoone says:

    Vix – it appears you injected race into this thread. Why ask me?

    I will help you with your reading, though. It seems you only read part of my response to your question, from which I copied and pasted.

    “Someone needs to look up the definitions and differences between “mandatory” and “optional”.” – was your question. I answered it with – “Yes indeed. “Mandatory” is what many states are trying to do with vaginal ultrasounds. “Optional” is what abortion is.”

    The examples used for the answer to your question are both issues about health care, thus your whin….I mean, statement about “king of deflect/ obfuscate/ hijack to make a predictable move toward manipulating this thread.” – really makes no sense at all.

    Now had this been a thread on a man killing an unarmed teenager and I went off on tangents about my personal observations of your comments on thirty-seven different threads and an assessment of your opinion of reference guides and how they relate to the socialist movement in SE Asia or the number of pancakes that it take to cover a dog house, then I’d say we got off topic just a bit.

    When someone, me or anyone else, talks about health care on a thread about health care and uses examples about health care to answer a question about mandatory and optional health care, well, gooooooolly…I’d say they are right on target!

  39. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    Really Larna? You need a half page to present your rationalization for hijacking the subject of the unconstitutionality of 0bamacare, in favor of your obsession with a Texas law that was just upheld in federal court.

    Well, since we’ve broadened the subject – by shortbread’s decree – to “healthcare”, maybe we could diverge a bit, from the red herring that is trans-vaginal ultrasounds and discuss the fact that the US has the highest rate of STD’s in the developed world.

    Hey, healthcare is healthcare, right Larna?

    Superman likes your powers of deflection.
    Gumby likes your ability to stretch credulity.
    DB Cooper says “hi”.

  40. This is the one issue that Blaine and I consistently agree upon.

    “Obamacare” is bad law – because it doesn’t go far enough. Single Payer is the only solution.

    One caveat Blaine – I wouldn’t dump supplemental insurance companies.

  41. discuss the fact that the US has the highest rate of STD’s in the developed world.

    Another benefit to abstinence only training!

  42. ““Obamacare” is bad law – because it doesn’t go far enough. Single Payer is the only solution”

    I think we all agree on that, too bad the republicans can’t admit it, and work WITH the nation to help FIX our problems and allow it to move on.
    Party before country is no way to govern, but it’s what the right has given us for the last 30 years.

  43. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    This is a law that allows people to insure their children up to age 26, assures that people with pre-existing conditions can get insurance and maintains that women should not pay more for insurance than men.

    If that were all there is to this law, why did it take 2,700 pages to write it?

    I doubt many would single out the three provisions you mention as even being a part of their objection(s) to 0bamacare. But the one thing that all who object to it would unanimously reject is the “individual mandate”.

    The IM is the core of the argument currently before the SCOTUS – not three provisions buried in the afore-mentioned 2700 pages.

    That’s keeping it both simple and relevant to current affairs. So why don’t you address the issue(s) before the SCOTUS, relevant to 0bamacare, and tell us why you support this law’s overreach by fiat – aka the “individual mandate”? And while you’re at it, assuming you approve of the IM, kindly tell us where such state authority would then end.

    Slippery slope.

    Now eat your brussels sprouts before Michelle 0bama’s food police arrest you.

  44. LornaDoone says:

    “You need a half page to present your rationalization for hijacking the subject of the unconstitutionality of 0bamacare”

    Nope, just answered your question. It only took two sentences.

    You must have a really small computer screen or you were wrong again or misrepresenting the truth of the matter, as usual.

  45. LornaDoone says:

    Oh, Individual mandate. You mean like the IM requested when Hillary was pushing for health care reform in the 1990s? Oh sorry, it must have been different because the Republicans were the ones pushing for it and heaven knows they wouldn’t push for anything “unconstitutional”

    I think the Tea Party has confused the issue. Medicare, a single payer, is basically an “individual mandate” at least for those over 65, and the members of said Party love Medicare so much they make signs that say “Keep government out of my Medicare”.

    There is just no satisfying some people. It might have something to do with the partisan politics of the GOP, following the prime order from McConnell (get Obama out of office). Otherwise, why else would a group of people be so absolutely hypocritical in the late 20th and early 21st Centuries when electronic media and the internet records everything and makes sure that people know what was said in the 1990s, versus today, about individual mandates.

    Anyway, the voters are not fooled, as Bloomberg recorded on their poll – “Three-quarters of Americans say the U.S. Supreme Court will be influenced by politics when it rules on the constitutionality of a health-care law signed by President Barack Obama two years ago.”

    We’re not stupid.

  46. LornaDoone says:

    Remember when the Supreme Court was once respected law professionals who wouldn’t consider uttering silly childish concepts like mandatory vegetable purchases?

    The government keeps finding new lows, with every conservative assigned.

  47. Remember when the Supreme Court was once respected law professionals who wouldn’t consider uttering silly childish concepts like mandatory vegetable purchases?

    Yes I do, but it wasn’t dominated by mentally ill conservative then, it was a body of true professionals. Then the conservatives took over and ruined the country.

    Conservatism is whats wrong with America.

  48. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    Remember when the president of the Unites States of America would never stoop so low as to make insulting, uncivil remarks about a ruling of the Supreme Court, directly to the members of the Supreme Court present at a nationally televised speech before both houses of Congress?

    And remember when members of the presidents own party would never have considered standing up around said members of the SCOTUS and applauding his unprecedented breach of etiquette?

    And remember when a SCOTUS judge with such galling conflict of interest as Elena Kagan would recuse herself from sitting in judgement of a law when her impartiality can be reasonably questioned because she (1) was solicitor general for the United States when the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act was being debated, and (2) assigned a staff attorney to handle arguments for the legislation, and (3) communications from Kagan’s office at that time, which were obtained through the Freedom of Information Act, show that Kagan assigned someone to the case and that Kagan would be brought in as needed?

  49. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    … because the Republicans were the ones pushing for it…

    Oh… so because the Heritage Foundation and 20 Republican Congressmen supported an IM, all conservatives were obviously on board.

    Okey-dokey.

    Then by extension, we can count you a supporter of the Iraq war and Bush Tax Cuts since a majority of Democrats have voted in favor of it.

    Yeah, that makes sense.

  50. When will scalia and thomas recuse themselves? Out of all them those two really should. Why aren’t you calling for that endlessly?

    Remember when Congressmen didn’t call the President a ‘liar’ during the state of the union address, remember when the VP didn’t tell Congressmen to “go F yourself’ on the floor?

    The hypocrisy of the right wing conservative is simply breath taking.
    They have this idea that ‘they do it too’ is a legitimate defense!

  51. “so because the Heritage Foundation and 20 Republican Congressmen supported an IM, all conservatives were obviously on board.”

    Find 3 examples where the heritage and 20 republicans favored something and the rest of the party and it’s sheep (you) DIDN’T fully support it and you might have a point.

    republicans march in lock step, they always have and they always will, just like lemmings.

  52. LornaDoone says:

    “Remember when the president of the Unites States of America would never stoop so low as to make insulting, uncivil remarks about a ruling of the Supreme Court, directly to the members of the Supreme Court present at a nationally televised speech before both houses of Congress?”

    Gosh, I thought that he just made a comment about their decision. I guess you can’t do that in America.

  53. LornaDoone says:

    Shoud Kagen recuse herself from any issues about women? After all, she has been one all of her life.

    Conservatives can ignore Thomas’ wife and her relationship to their causes, but Kagen can’t have a history in government.

  54. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    Conservatives can ignore Thomas’ wife and her relationship to their causes, but Kagen can’t have a history in government.

    LMAO, a SCOTUS JUDGE compared to the wife of a justice? Well then I guess Thomas’ wife should recuse herself… doh!

    This is what passes for quid-pro-quo in your world?

  55. averageJoseph says:

    “boat load ‘o money” LMAO…

  56. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    Love how Clement nailed her lame-a$$ partisan comment:

    Paul Clement will attack the expansion of Medicaid. He’s talking about whether it’s “coercive,” because if it is, it won’t fit the Spending Power.

    Justice Kagan wants to know why a “big gift from the Federal Government” is coercion. “The Federal Government is here saying, we are giving you a boatload of money.”

    Just a big old boatload of money is coercive, Clement says confidently. But the actual bill has a “very big condition.”
    Kagan interrupts, trying to make her point that a big boatload of money is not coercive. “What if someone offered you a job and would pay you $10 million a year. Of course, you say yes, but you’re not coerced are you?”

    Clement lays down one of the cleverest teasers I have ever heard: “Well, I guess I would want to know where the money came from.”

    “Wow. Wow.” says Kagan. (Has a Supreme Court Justice ever said “Wow. Wow” before?) She can’t believe you’d do anything other than snap up that money. “I’m offering you $10 million a year to come work for me, and you are saying that this is anything but a great choice?”

    Clement springs his trap: “Sure, if I told you, actually, it came from my own bank account.”

    LMAO!

    And she was Dean of the Law School at Harvard University? I guess that’s the difference between graduating manga cum laude from Harvard (Paul Clement) and getting what amounts to a political appointment to the school from her buddy Lawrence Summers.

    Former Bush Solicitor General 1 – former 0bama Solictor General 0.

  57. “LMAO, a SCOTUS JUDGE compared to the wife of a justice? Well then I guess Thomas’ wife should recuse herself… doh!”

    To quote your little buddy,
    “get out of here you knucklehead and let the adults talk”.

  58. averageJoseph says:

    LOL Vox, she should be embarrassed.

  59. In testimony on the third day of Supreme Court hearings on the reform act, lawyers pressing to do away with the act altogether said that people have a right to use emergency rooms, and people can go on welfare if their finances are wiped out by health care costs, and they can use Medicare and other programs to obtain health care, so we don’t need mandatory insurance.

    In other words, people can use other people’s taxes instead of their own insurance to pay for health care or write the costs off through bankruptcy and stick the provider with the costs.

    Doesn’t that seem like an unusual argument for conservatives to be presenting?

    There are a few far-righties who want all government assistance for health care to go away, but I would call them more extreme libertarians than conservatives. If a person can’t pay on their own, let them die, I guess, or try to take advantage of the less than 10% charitable support for health care.

    The Heritage Foundation and other conservative think tanks and politicians were the ones who came up with the idea in the first place of mandatory private insurance instead of government programs. The law which makes this a reality and makes individuals responsible for their own care through purchase of insurance is now wrong in the minds of those who pushed for it originally.

    Making government provide care for people who choose not to have insurance is fine now in the eyes of conservatives. How turned around has this issue become just because the far right hates Obama so much?

  60. menopaws says:

    Chief Justice Roberts settled the issue of both Kagan and Clarence Thomas— He is the Chief Justice and the rest of you need to shut up about it. He issued a statement saying he had faith in BOTH their legal judgements and they would BOTH hear the case. Go whine to the Chief Justice……..Honestly, don’t any of you ever read this paper you blog on or listen to the news…….He issued that statement over a month ago.
    I don’t think this country is smart enough to solve this problem with health care. I watch the insurance companies and the drug companies lead all the politicians around by the nose and we seem to worship this lobbying corruption soooo damn much that when they tell us our “freedom” is under siege, like obedient dogs we slobber and slobber and slobber, waiting for our treat……..You’ll get it when you lose your insurance and have to sit in the emergency room for 12 hours………..the health care industry is selling the “bridge to nowhere” and the fools are opening their wallets to buy in!!!!! So, do the slings and arrows dance all you want—you are in charge of NOTHING…….The health care industry OWNS you. Got it???

  61. averageJoseph says:

    Making government provide food, shelter, transportation, cell phones, etc. to people who choose to have families they cannot support or who choose not to work is fine now in the eyes of “progressives”. ;)

  62. averageJoseph, apparently it is perfectly fine with conservatives, too, since they are the ones opposing a law that would require individuals to be responsible for their own insurance.

  63. sandblower says:

    aj tries in vain to make points by spinning “making” to include items for which a universal market, in which everyone already participates both financially and as users, already exists. It is the healthcare market in which some do not participate financially but will inevitably participate as a user that is the difference. If you can get your head around that, you might understand the animosity we might have for any one of the Supremes who votes to overturn the ADA.
    It would be a total failure of logical thinking.

  64. averageJoseph says:

    The job market and eating are not universal?

  65. LornaDoone says:

    Go to youtube and search “boat load of money Kagen” and you get nothing but three Rush Limbaugh clips.

    Is this another conservative quote that never happened? If it’s so juicy, why wouldn’t the conservatives have it up on youtube? That is their regular MO.

  66. LornaDoone says:

    Now, according to the conservative blogs (the only place you can find this alleged story) here is the…uh….quote:

    “We’re giving you [the states] a boat-load of money, there are no matching funds requirement, there are no extraneous conditions attached to it, it’s just a boat-load of federal money for you to take and spend on poor people’s health care. It doesn’t sound coercive to me,” insisted Kagan

    Let’s switch this around just a bit. “we’re giving you a boat load of money….no matching requirements….no conditions”

    That all sounds like the $4 billion in oil subsidies. When you add in “spend on poor people’s heath care”, the conservatives come unglued.

    Something tells me that Kagen said far more than that quote in terms of context and that the conservatives can’t edit a video enough to not appear to have bastardized the statement, so they do it in print.

  67. LornaDoone says:

    As usual, it is out of context, as I expected.

    http://www.npr.org/2012/03/28/149548299/transcript-audio-supreme-court-the-health-care-law-and-medicaid-expansion

    Thank our lucky stars that they haven’t defunded NPR and we still have a media available to just report the facts

  68. LornaDoone says:

    If you want a good laugh, more back a few threads and read the faux outrage about editing on NBC

  69. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    Deny, spin, obfuscate away. It just makes you all the more pathetic.

    The narrative I provided does not alter the context, or significantly alter the content in the slightest – and definitely does not rise to the level of misinformation you regularly chum up.

  70. LornaDoone says:

    Uh, the narrative you provided left out a ton of text, but that’s nothing new, is it?

    Oh and just to stay within your argument tactic –

    I KNOW YOU ARE BUT WHAT AM I?

  71. averageJoseph says:

    Larryhill…

  72. averageJoseph says:

    … a steaming Hill.

  73. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    Okay, larna, I’ll call. Show us where the synopsis I provided differs substantively from the full text. Does it rise to the level of irresponsibility that… oh… I dunno’… say the nbc or abc pieces did?

    If anything I gave Kagan a break in not linking the full text, and thus not showing more of her obvious bias and judicial incompetence.

  74. hansgruber says:

    Providing? LOL!

  75. alindasue says:

    My biggest complaint about President Obama’s Affordable Healthcare Act is that it has been compromised to death. I know, some of you are going to go on again about how he pushed through the 2000+ page monster in a last minute “trick” – but the reality of it is that the act, as originally presented at election time, was very similar to President Clinton’s reform plan except that it took a couple cues from Mitt Romney’s plan by including insurance companies in the administration of it and included the Republican-suggested mandate that people get insurance. It was a good idea that took care of the concerns of both political parties.

    Unfortunately, President Obama, in an attempt to get both political parties working together on the issues, allowed this one to be compromised to the point that it turned into a 2000+ page mess. Still, it’s better than what we had.

    This has been one of the least productive congresses in the history of the United States. I’m not normally one to look at political parties when voting for candidates, but this whole “make sure Obama is a one term president” attitude has tainted my view of Republicans this last couple years. When an idea, like the insurance mandate, is a good idea UNTIL President Obama agrees that, yes, it is a good idea – I know the voting on the issue is now just about politics and not about actually representing the best interests of the people who voted for them.

    I have been accused of being “liberal” by commentors here, despite having voted for Republican presidential candidates 5 out of the 8 times I’ve voted for president. (I’ve also voted for 2 Democrats and a Libertarian candidate.) I am not “liberal” or “conservative”.

    I don’t care about political parties. I care about issues. I only wish the the majority of the current crop of Republican politicians in office cared about issues too. Then maybe they’d help President Obama come up with a good health care reform that didn’t take 2000+ pages to explain. Just fighting “Obamacare” because it is “Obamacare” is not the answer.

  76. LornaDoone says:

    “Show us where the synopsis I provided differs substantively from the full text.”

    “Short and to the point”

    I posted the link to the complete text of that day’s testimony. To the adult readers, that is sufficient for them to see the amount of exchange you deleted.

    “Just fighting “Obamacare” because it is “Obamacare” is not the answer.”

    You hit a homerun, alindasue. This has nothing to do with what is good for Americans. It’s about going after the guy in the White House because the conservatives don’t like him. Their usual schtick about “policies” doesn’t even work here, because many of the policies on this issue were their policies back in the early 1990s.

  77. LornaDoone says:

    This didn’t happen, either:

    A small bomb exploded outside a Planned Parenthood clinic in Grand Chute, Wis., on Sunday night, and police are investigating to learn who planted the device.

    According to WGBA-TV, police fire crews found the homemade explosive outside a window sill that they believe had set off a small fire, which burned out before fire crews arrived. The building sustained a small amount of damage.

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