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MEDIA: Hold off on sensational stories until the facts are in

Letter by Connie L. Lowry, Puyallup on March 28, 2012 at 3:16 pm with 78 Comments »
March 28, 2012 3:17 pm

The shooting of Trayvon Martin and the Afghanistan massacre are examples of recent stories being swayed and built by the media. The media never seem to be able to wait until all the facts come out in a story. Two men’s lives are in the balance. While we seek justice for those whose lives have been taken, do we want truth or quick revenge?

The media do everything they can in the name of free speech to stir up every unthinking person’s passions to violence and revenge; unfortunately our society is full of these people. If media corporations would just wait until investigations are completed, a more truthful reporting would be given to the public. But ratings are made or unmade on sensationalism and half-truths.

With great power comes even greater responsibility. The media don’t seem to care about that anymore.

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  1. Scottc51 says:

    Good letter, Connie. Perhaps it is the lack of professional journalist, who will report a news story without comment. Certainly some media outlets (as well as political provacateurs) will pump up a story to sell.

  2. LornaDoone says:

    It IS the lack of professional journalism.

    FOX is an entertainment station, as are right wing blogs like Michelle Malkin owns.

    Meanwhile, this story started out in the mainstream media as a factual recall of the events known to the story. It was found that the police tremendously mishandled the case. The media then investigates further and finds out more. Then the story turned.

    The sensationalism took place when the gun rights sound machine cranked up and started a smear campaign against a dead child.

    Media doesn’t need to “pump up” this story for it to sell, but some need to “pump up” stories to take advantage of low information readers and voters.

  3. lovethemountains says:

    LornaDoone could be a news writer from the looks of how he/she jumped immediately onto the right wing and the “gun rights sound machine” as being to blame.

  4. In these and other cases if it were not for the media most of us would never hear what had happened and ‘government’ could have just swept the incidents under the rug.

  5. Vox – how do you spin that the Decretive assigned to the Zimmerman case wanted to hold Zimmerman for further questioning and investigation but the State Attorney said there was not enough evidence to do so.

  6. I’m just reporting the facts as I see them.

    ‘ . . . dervusg’ – Such an adapt description of your fellow right wing bloggers.

  7. ‘dirvish’ sore thumb tonight playing havoc with my colorful keybording.

  8. the letter writer apparently has no experience in reality.

    if the newspaper were to only report guilty/not-guilty verdicts, then the news would be very, very old and stale.

    reporters report on what is, not on what may be once a jury and prosecutor hash things out for a judge.

    why do they bother to print ignorant letters like this?…

    my personal issue is that the paper tells us what happened yesterday, and not enough of what will happen today…

  9. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Jellee- so your issue is that the news does not tell the future? That they do not speculate more than they already do?

  10. Frankenchrist says:

    We probably shouldn’t be discussing 9/11 since the facts aren’t all in.

    What a stupid letter. Written by a conservative, of course.

  11. You are aware that it is no longer truly journalism right?

    It is entertainment as well as reporting. If you are not entertained, you do not read. If you do not read, you do not buy. And, you guessed it, the media source goes out of business.

    Good luck getting this one changed.

  12. averageJoseph says:

    Gatta manipulate the masses.

  13. By ‘facts’ do you mean “what I want to hear so I can justify my fear and hate”?

  14. We control the media by what we choose to watch. Ratings! What are you watching these days, Connie?

  15. How can you stir up something that isn’t there? Fact is, we have a minority of people in this country who are dangerous in their thinking and actions and that makes the rest of us uncomfortable. We should be stirred up. The Martains have every right to demand justice for their son who was murdered.

  16. LornaDoone says:

    Ruh roh:

    Police at the scene said the 28-year-old shooter was bleeding from the nose and the back of the head, and Zimmerman’s lawyer said his client suffered a broken nose from Martin’s punch.

    But no blood or bruising is visible in the video taken by a police surveillance camera that shows uniformed officers leading a handcuffed Zimmerman into the police station, nor are there blood stains visible on his clothes.

    ABC obtained the video from Sanford authorities, who said it would be made available on the city’s website.

    Zimmerman appears much leaner in the video than in the image that has been in the media, a 2005 mug shot taken after his arrest for a confrontation with a police officer. His head is almost completely clean shaven in the video, offering a clear view of the back, which shows no discoloration.

    “This certainly doesn’t look like a man who police said had his nose broken and his head repeatedly smashed into the sidewalk,” said Benjamin Crump, a civil rights lawyer representing Martin’s family who has been calling for Zimmerman’s arrest for weeks.

    They’ve got to stop with the sensationalism until the facts are known.

  17. Old time media was late coming to the party on this one. Social media was the one spreading the word and getting people to take note of this “alleged” miscarriage and non-justice.

    The search for the truth by journalists and media has been a powerful force in this country and around the world, and I am happy that we have a free press and freedom of speech to empower that search in the United States.

    Whatever media was involved, it has worked to have the justice system take a much harder look at this issue than it had before. Dismissing the incident as self defense by Zimmerman was a lazy and easy way to get this case off the books, which is the goal for many police forces, many of them underfunded and under great strains.

    The police know that the rich and powerful can create pressure, but the poor and people who are not well-connected are usually not able to bring pressure to bear for a tenacious investigation. That is why this case has struck a chord with the public. One social media page sparked a huge outpouring of support for a real search for the truth, got the rich and powerful involved as well as the parents of TM.

    I also have confidence in our jury system that would find Zimmerman innocent if there were not proof beyond a reasonable doubt, or guilty if such proof is presented. However, the facts have to be critically examined and not hid in the back file room of the police department or not even sought after by investigators and prosecutors.

  18. 24/7 airing of the angelic photo of 12year old Trayvon Martin is a media construct not the actuality.

    Who knows what photo the media dug up of Mr. Zimmerman or when it was taken . . .

    Hold your judgment of both “men” until the facts are vetted. If you act on information contained in “today’s” media account you are being manipulated.

  19. “Stir up” is the operative phrase here. And the letter writer is correct. Journalism is a business and stirring the pot keeps a story hot and tasty. As for the comment below….

    “In these and other cases if it were not for the media most of us would never hear what had happened and ‘government’ could have just swept the incidents under the rug….

    It is one thing to “hear what happened,” and quite another to leap into the blog circus and keep the pot bubbling. And your cynicism about government rushing to sweep things under the rug…it’s a pity you have so little faith in a system that works imperfectly but better than most.

  20. LornaDoone says:

    sozo – so who “stirred up” the masses with the story about Zimmerman being attacked and injured?

    “Who knows what photo the media dug up of Mr. Zimmerman or when it was taken . . .”

    The only photo available was a mug shot from when Zimmerman was arrested. Then, suddenly a smiling Zim shot of him wearing a shirt a tie surfaced. We have now found out, via the police video, that Zimmerman is more slender than other pictures and has shaved his head.

    Can you imagine what would have happened if we didn’t have a media during the Watergate investigation? All of this stuff makes for a great diversion of the issue, but professional journalism is not the problem. Unprofessional journalism is.

  21. alindasue says:

    nanook said, “24/7 airing of the angelic photo of 12year old Trayvon Martin is a media construct not the actuality.

    Who knows what photo the media dug up of Mr. Zimmerman or when it was taken . . .”

    I’ve seen the more current picture of Trayvon Martain (the one from his Twitter account). He looks like a normal teenager to me.

    The ABC News article that showed video of Mr. Zimmerman arriving at the police station after Trayvon was shot stated that the picture circulating through the articles was a 2005 mug shot, but I don’t know if it was from the fighting with police incident or one of the two domestic violence incidents.

    Here’s the article: http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-martin-case-exclusive-surveillance-video-george-zimmerman/story?id=16022897#.T3SFmtWXuqw

  22. Vetting facts is why we need a fair and balanced investagation.

    Which seems to scare Zimmerman’s supporters more than it does Trayvon’s supporters.

  23. “Journalism is a business and stirring the pot keeps a story hot and tasty.”

    But let me guess, fox doesn’t do this….right?

  24. Pecksbadboy says:

    Like the TNT’s coverage of Dale Washam?

  25. LornaDoone says:

    “MSNBC,CNN and all the left wing factions took this Trayvon story and manufactured the rage being expressed.”

    Gee,volvo – I’m sorry I don’t measure up to your standards. In my world, we don’t have to MANUFACTURE rage when a kid is killed by a guy with a gun.

    FOX’s accurate reporting of one story will not clean the soil they have created for themselves as THE source for yellow journalism (which, by the way, it a compliment when directed at them)

  26. “But no blood or bruising is visible in the video taken by a police surveillance camera ….
    “we don’t have to MANUFACTURE rage when a kid is killed by a guy with a gun.”

    Manufacture … as in hyping a video image, despite the fact, that it was taken AFTER the “white Hispanic” received medical attention at the scene from paramedics as clearly noted in the police report. The same report that also states that the officer on scene saw grass stains on Zimmerman’s back and blood coming from wounds on Zimmerman’s nose and head, indicating Zimmerman had been attacked.

    Manufacture … as in continuously using terms like “kid” and “child” to reference a 17-year-old young man, while pushing a picture of him that was taken when he was 12, as if there was a shortage of current pictures.

    If that isn’t yellow journalism, I don’t know what it is. The left has no shame.

  27. I am not interested in taking the bait on the partisan bull roar. What I said is true, I don’t care who’s stirring the pot. Please take the petty little dirt clod fights to the schoolyard where they belong.

  28. LornaDoone says:

    “What I said is true”

    WOW. You are the authority that stipulates if your opinion constitutes truth.

    “And the letter writer is correct. Journalism is a business and stirring the pot keeps a story hot and tasty.”

    Allow me. That is the biggest bunch of malarky I have ever read in reference to media. If there is no story, there is something new happening everyday (thus the word “news” – get it?). People that pull up that tripe are people that have never spent a day inside a media business.

    Would you like me to critique “stir the pot” or “hot and tasty”?

    Your comment was something close to the same garbage that I get from Right Wing blogs, whether you like the partisan reference or not. Pure hyperbolic rheotic.

  29. “Please take the petty little dirt clod fights to the schoolyard where they belong.”

    Hypocrisy defined.

  30. LornaDoone says:

    I’ve read and re-read the media quote about Zimmerman’s lack of injuries and nowhere do I find – the “white Hispanic”. Must just be on Pacman’s computer.

    As to “kid” – pardon me for using a euphamism that I might also use on someone in their early 20s. You see, I’m a bit older than that and everyone, especially those that are intellectually dishonest are “kids” to me. Pictures? I guess the Martin kid (oh, there I go again) has billions of pictures hidden, but Zimmerman’s only picture was a mug shot from 2005. Now mind you, despite the attempts to create such, Martin was never arrested, so he wouldn’t have a mug shot and then there is that problem of “growth” between 15 and 17, that Martin couldn’t put on hold so that his old picture made him look older or vice versa. Somehow, though, a picture surface of Zimmerman, smiling, with shirt and tie on, although current video shows he lost weigh and shaved his head. No way did anyone submit the shirt and tie photo to soften his image, right?

    I’ll go back to see if I can find “white hispanic”

  31. averageJoseph says:

    Google zimmerman white hispanic

  32. alindasue says:

    Pacman33 said, “…as in continuously using terms like “kid” and “child” to reference a 17-year-old young man…”

    In the eyes of the law and American society, a 17 year old is still a minor child, requiring parental permissions and signatures for legal documents, school activities, and so forth. Yes, a boy is pretty close to his full adult size at 17 (with girls that occurs often as early as age 12) but he is still a child.

  33. LornaDoone says:

    google moon green cheese and you’ll find something also.

    Zimmerman’s father: I don’t think he was on the phone with his girlfriend. The FBI should investigate this.

    Cell phone log – He was on the phone with his girlfriend.

    What is next?

  34. To deny what the media has done to hype this case is to live in a fantasy land of your own making. If you have ever served on a jury, you come to appreciate how painstakingly they attempt to avoid bias and pre-judgment. Good luck finding a jury if this ever goes to trial.

  35. “To deny what the media has done to hype this case is to live in a fantasy land of your own making.”

    Do you concede that fox is also hyping this and just about every other story?
    As long as they think they can get folks like you riled up fox has been doing this and much worse for decades now.
    Why aren’t you far rightists whining about that?
    Is it because you “live in a fantasy land of your own making”?

  36. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Hey kluw, does Al Sharpton work for Fox now? Reporting on his own hate rally. Real class act.

    How are your liberal shows doing these days? Why does no one watch them? How is your buddy Olberman doing?

  37. “hate rally”

    Exactly what about the rally made it a “hate rally”?

  38. “Exactly what about the rally made it a “hate rally”?”

    Someone she disagrees with was on stage, and they happened to be black, that is more than enough for the far right to label something they fear, as a ‘hate rally’.

  39. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Bb enters the conversation!! All of the far left is present, if only K(ard had not driven muki away…

    Please, BB, explain to the board Al’s history when ‘representing’ a victim. If anyone in this story has racial issue, it is AS.

  40. ct7 – my question still stands.

  41. took14theteam says:

    Maybe because the rally was to incite the masses to take the matter into their own hands? Like kill Zimmerman if they find him?

    Spike baby started it by attempting to post Zimmerman’s address to the world. Instead he ruined the lives of an elderly couple. What purpose would posting his address be for except to get a revenge killing?

    Did you have a nice vacation bB?

  42. Yep – went to Capitol Reef National Park. Gorgeous.

  43. btw – Al Sharpton is an idiot. He did manage to make a decent observation about taxes during his run for the Dem presidential nomination but, other than that, I haven’t ever heard anything he has said that was worth paying attention to.

    Spike Lee is, like many movie directors, overhyped and really not that interesting after his third movie (School Daze) – “Do the Right Thing” was his fourth movie and when he got on his angry black man schtick (and I stopped paying attention to him).

    The fact that these celebs have hitched their wagons to this doesn’t diminish the reality that the fact that Zimmerman hasn’t been charged with a crime and that the cops really did not do an adequate job investigating this homicide.

  44. “The fact that these celebs have hitched their wagons to this doesn’t diminish the reality that the fact that Zimmerman hasn’t been charged with a crime and that the cops really did not do an adequate job investigating this homicide.”

    I believe, if you listen carefully, you will hear most folks, regardless of partisan politics, say that they want justice done in this case, which may well include an arrest. I certainly think Zimmerman’s actions are suspect. But I also recognize that I know essentially NOTHING about the case and it’s not my place to make this call.

    A disturbing sidebar to your observation above, bBoy, is that there remain many out there who look to men like Sharpton and Jesse Jackson for leadership, despite the times they’ve been found out as self-serving race-baiters. And yes, in the this crazy world, people look up to celebrities such as Spike Lee, as if they are somehow better qualified to see the truth than the rest of us.

    YOU may recognize that Al Sharpton is an idiot. You may even concede tht Jesse Jackson is a sorry mess, but others still attend to them; thus the fear that we will see another Rodney King riot if they continue. Their behavior is reprehensible.

  45. “Like kill Zimmerman if they find him?”

    hyperbole much?

  46. “I certainly think Zimmerman’s actions are suspect.”

    Don’t go too far out on that limb!

  47. “many out there who look to men like Sharpton and Jesse Jackson for leadership”

    I think you are giving them WAY too much credit. Very few, if any look to either of those for ‘leadership’. Democrats and blacks are not like you on the far right who worship at the feet of fat drug addicts.

  48. Jesse Jackson – unlike Al Sharpton – once had some credibility. Unfortunately he has long since thrown it away.

    thus the fear that we will see another Rodney King riot if they continue. Their behavior is reprehensible.

    The Rodney King riots were set off by a jury deciding that the white officers who savagely beat King were not guilty of anything – neither Al Sharpton nor Jesse Jackson were responsible (or have that kind of power) for setting them off.

    Likewise – the prosecutors who claim that there isn’t enough evidence to jail Zimmerman should get the blame if there are riots – not any “outside agitators”. When a people feel like there is no hope for fair play, when the deck seems stacked against them, that is when they are willing to throw themselves into senseless actions.

    Even if there is not enough clear evidence to gain a conviction, the prosecutor needs to bring this to trial. And the trial needs to be very transparent. If Zimmerman gets off with a not guilty, the public will need to have followed the trial and feel confident that it was fair. Remember that the Simi Valley jury consisted of 10 whites, a Hispanic and a Filipina – with no African Americans.

  49. averageJoseph says:

    Nope, all blame should be assigned to the rioters and looters. Especially the ones with the big fat grins on their faces.

    The big question is, if they were rioting because of a verdict they disagreed with, why did they destroy their own neighborhood businesses and so forth?

  50. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Bb, you are quick to ignore Zimmerman’s rights. A trial just for the media and an angry public (spun up by clowns pushing an agenda)?

    And Rev Al equals hate. I personally feel he has harmed race relations with his phony career sticking his face into anything that will get him publicity. The black ‘victim’ mentality Al lives on (not this case in particular) is bad for their communities and culture.

  51. averageJoseph says:

    Rev. King would be very disappointed in those rioters.

  52. “Bb, you are quick to ignore Zimmerman’s rights.”

    How much thought did zimmerman give to the kids ‘rights’ before he hunted him down and killed him?

  53. concernedtacoma7 says:

    ‘Hunted’? Keep making up facts.

    Given that Zimmerman is not in jail, and I place higher trust in law enforcement than the media, you and your wildly bigoted leftist friends are wrong.

  54. averageJoseph says:

    More lies from kluwer.

  55. Rev. King would be very disappointed in those rioters.

    Which rioters?

    And….is Dr. King speaking to you from the grave and telling you how he feels?

  56. averageJoseph says:

    You know, the ones that were set off by a jury deciding that the white officers who savagely beat King were not guilty.
    Ummm, isn’t it common knowledge Dr. King was against violent protest? LMAO.

    btw, may we expect you to never surmise how Dr. King or Jesus or Ghandi or etc. would respond, or are you one those that practice the double standard?

  57. averageJoseph says:

    Gosh, who woulda thunk it could be SO simple. Maybe it’s time the CinC should call of the posse.

    http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/george-zimmerman-enhanced-video-shows-injury-trayvon-martin-16053206

  58. “I place higher trust in law enforcement than the media”

    Unless that media happens to be fox or the fat drug addict on the radio.

  59. averageJoseph says:

    And the plot thickens.

    When NBC News played the audio of the 911 call George Zimmerman made prior to the confrontation that resulted in the death of Travyon Martin, this is what they played:

    Zimmerman: This guy looks like he’s up to no good. He looks black.

    What was really said:

    Zimmerman: This guy looks like he’s up to no good. Or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around, looking about.
    Dispatcher: OK, and this guy–is he black, white or Hispanic?

    Zimmerman: He looks black.

  60. alindasue says:

    averageJoseph,

    Black, white, green, or purple – It doesn’t matter. I don’t see this so much as a racial issue (although it may have played a small part) as an issue of a police-wanna-be who took the whole “neighborhood watch” thing beyond its reasonable or legal bounds.

    Also, I’ve seen the “enhanced video” images. The visible injuries, even when enhanced, do not match the extent of Mr. Zimmerman’s claim. The images also do not tell us whether Mr. Zimmerman was attacked or if Trayvon was defending himself from Mr. Zimmerman’s threat.

    Given that Mr. Zimmerman had been told not to follow the “suspect” and that he carried a loaded and ready gun while he followed Trayvon, I’m more inclined to believe the latter. The problem is that since the police failed to take the necessary evidence at the scene (totally against standard protocol when there is a shooting) we may never know for sure what really happened.

  61. averageJoseph says:

    What is a “ready” gun?

    Why do you suppose this was a non-story for a month and suddenly it’s on the fore front of the news cycle.
    Why do you suppose the photo of the “child”, Trayvon, circulating in the media is outdated by several years?
    Why do you suppose NBC editied the audio?
    Why do you suppose none of the networks bothered to play the video beyond the grainy version?
    Why do you suppose it was called a hate crime until it was discovered Zimmerman is hispanic?
    Why do you suppose a new term was coined to describe Zimmerman??? “white hispanic”
    Why do you suppose some are so quick to deny Zimmerman due process and at the same time assume Trayvon was simply minding his own business and doing nothing wrong?
    Why do you suppose Obama was sooo quick to get on public airwaves to condem the leftleaning nut who shot Gabby Giffords and blame it on talk radio but is all crickets about the “new black panthers” bounty on Zimmerman? OR Spike Lee tweeting the Zimmerman’s (the wrong Zimmerman at that)address?

  62. alindasue says:

    averageJoseph,

    A “ready” gun is one that it loaded and easily accessible and, if we are to believe any of Mr. Zimmerman’s story (that Trayvon tried to get his gun), openly visible.

    Which brings us back to the question: how would any of you react if you were an unarmed person in a strange neighborhood and a guy with a gun suddenly started following you as you walked back from the store to your relative’s place in the neighborhood – especially if you couldn’t shake the man off your trail?

  63. alindasue says:

    averageJoseph,

    “White Hispanic” is not a new term.

    For as long as I can remember, the race question on surveys has had the choices “White, not Hispanic”, “Black, not Hispanic”, and “Hispanic” in recognizing the fact that Hispanic people can appear both “White” or “Black”. Mr. Zimmerman is a Hispanic who appears “White”.

  64. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Appears “white”? Are you talking about skin tone?

  65. took14theteam says:

    averageJoseph, why did you even bother to post that video? We all know, as can be verified by a huge number of posts, that Larna has told us what really happened in this incident. So don’t try to change the story, um kay.

    You have to wonder why the NBC selectively edited the 911 tape. Wait, no you don’t….

  66. averageJoseph says:

    It was Trayvon’s own neighborhood sweetheart. ;)

    I suppose if I was in my own neighborhodd and I saw the local neighborhood watch fella following me while talking on his cell phone I would have assumed he didn’t recognize me and pulled the hood off my head, not attacked him… as witnesses have stated and Zimmerman’s injuries have corroberated.
    So, beside speculation and editing of the facts by the media, all we really know is there has been a bounty put on Zimmerman’s head and Spike Lee made a boo-boo.

  67. averageJoseph says:

    beerBoy?

  68. what?

  69. averageJoseph says:

    Ah, you just gave up. Asked a question (2) and then gave up.

  70. I posted an answer that referenced the “k” word and, on my screen, says that it is awaiting moderation.

    Your list of questions is too dense to bother with as it is clear your really aren’t interested in any intellectual exchange.

    I have a question – why do some on the Right claim that Stand Your Ground is necessary? I mean, why do modern gunslingers need to be given more than the right to defend themselves when it is proven that they were involved in self-defense but “need” to have a legal right to kill people they think are a threat (whether they are or not)? And why do some claim that any attempt to change these laws is an attack upon the 2nd Amendment?

  71. averageJoseph says:

    I guess we’ll just assume all your questions are rhetorical. You still have not addressed the answer I gave to your question about Dr. King.

    Further, the list of questions I posed where directed to Alinda. Of course, you never pass up a chance to leave a condescnding adhominem remark.

    As far as what “some on the right think”, if I aswered that I’d be doing what you do… assuming I know what other people think and employing pop-psychology. If you’re interested in what I think then ask me, just leave out the false premise strawmen.

  72. Do I really have to post quotations from websites from Right-identified posters in order to justify writing “some on the Right claim that Stand Your Ground is necessary” or “some claim that any attempt to change these laws is an attack upon the 2nd Amendment”? It is possible but really laborious and not really worth the time.

    btw you will note I did not write “think”.

    Again I ask: which “rioters”? which “violent protestors”? If you are referring to the so-called New Black Panthers, I have posted responses to that obscene little group from original members of the Black Panthers (which, to my mind, is far more effective than citing MLK in this instance).

    The original post was a generalized speculation about what MLK would think about unspecified violent actors. Unsupported hypotheticals about strawmen are fairly useless – and not really worth responding to follow-up questions. Provide specifics and I might answer.

  73. averageJoseph says:

    You are so willfully ignorant. The ones in L.A. that disagreed with the Rodney King verdict.

    Was or was not Dr. King against violent protest? “Unspecified, unsupported”. YOU sure as heck don’t have ANY room to criticize someone for that.

    Geez.

    Oh, and you asked me why “some on the right think… ?” Was my answer not satisfactory?

  74. So, beside speculation and editing of the facts by the media, all we really know is there has been a bounty put on Zimmerman’s head and Spike Lee made a boo-boo.

    And that Zimmerman followed a 17 year old and killed him with his gun….

    Sure….MLK most likely, if he were alive, would have been outspoken against the LA riots. But, if you had done a little google research you could have provided this quote:
    The limitation of riots, moral questions aside, is that they cannot win and their participants know it. Hence, rioting is not revolutionary but reactionary because it invites defeat. It involves an emotional catharsis, but it must be followed by a sense of futility.

    Which suggests that MLK was against riots, not due to their inherent violence, but due to their ineffectiveness in making actual change.

    And no, given the letter referencing the idiot posers at the New “black panther” Party – it wasn’t obvious what riots and violence was being referenced.

  75. Again – I have scanned through the thread and can find no post where I asked you why “some on the right think…” Perhaps I am not seeing it but, if indeed you are quoting me accurately, please cite which post it came from.

  76. averageJoseph says:

    maybe it was deleted ???

  77. averageJoseph says:

    test

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