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GOP: There’s no Republican war on women

Letter by Constance V. Walden, University Place on March 22, 2012 at 2:43 pm with 188 Comments »
March 22, 2012 2:43 pm

There is no Republican war on women. This is not true. It’s a lie, one of a million told by the left.

I am a woman who resents the constant lies being told by the left. There is a war being waged aggressively by the liars on the left against babies in the womb, against marriage as designated by God, against freedom guaranteed in the Constitution and against true education.

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  1. LornaDoone says:

    But there IS a war on religion, right Connie?

    Another day, another letter.

    Unfortunately a majority of women disagree with you. You have joined the ranks of people that would tell a raped woman that it was “just sex” and to be thankful for the attention.

  2. The left tries to convert every slightest disagreement into a war on some group that is the alleged victim of some form of abuse or discrimination. In fact, the left’s strategy is to advance its Statist agenda by all means possible, fair or foul. Happy to say, it isn’t working so well anymore. Good on you, Constance.

  3. andrewbacon says:

    I reject your premise completely. You gave no evidence, and in the end, simply parroted Fox News talking points. Are you being paid to write this, “Constance”?

  4. LornaDoone says:

    “The left tries to convert every slightest disagreement into a war”

    So asking religious employers to keep their nose out of their employees business about medical care isn’t a war on religion?

    Good. Now we can restart that dialog.

  5. old_benjamin says:

    “Unfortunately a majority of women disagree with you.”

    Another lie from the left.

    “But there IS a war on religion…”

    Well yeah, but it’s nothing new. It’s as old as Rome. Only the symantics have been changed to conceal the truth.

  6. concernedtacoma7 says:

    LDnos, your overt hate for religion is pathetic. The Church has rights as does the individual. The individual also has options and individual responsibility (a term I know you and your ilk hate).

    The left is waging a PR war while ignoring serious issues (energy, debt, Iran, etc.).

  7. LornaDoone says:

    Well, that didn’t take much.

    Individual responsibility starts with the employer keeping their nose out of the employees business, especially said business that is private from the start.

    If employers don’t want to enjoy the lower taxed benefits issued to employees in lieu of wages, then pay higher wages (and taxes) and allow the employee to purchase their own insurance. Allow insurance brokers access to the workplace and let them create buying groups so that the employees will enjoy volume discounts.

    See. There is a way to work the issue through, if the Catholic Church REALLY WANTED. This is nothing other than WAR ON OBAMA (might was well use the term) and they have no desire to have anyone show them how they can serve their employees and not “violate their religion”.

    The humorous part of all of this is that the “PR War” didn’t come to the surface until Rush Limbaugh couldn’t shut his mouth. Then it was “The Democrats are doing this to….blah blah blah”.

    Their hate for the President is pathetic.

  8. Telling churches that they must do what is against conscience is a war on the First Amendment if you like the battlefield analogy. The Bill of Rights precedes your complaint about medical care by well over 200 years. Get over it.

  9. LornaDoone says:

    sozo – coming from you, I’ll consider that a compliment. I fully intended on making a statement and succeeded. I’ve noticed that taking a less direct approach with conservatives doesn’t always work. A 2×4 to the side of the head will usually catch their attention.

    Meanwhile, maybe you can tell us what non-concentual vaginal penetration is – by definition.

  10. LornaDoone says:

    consentual

  11. LornaDoone says:

    “Telling churches that they must do”

    Individual responsibility.

  12. Nonsense

  13. concernedtacoma7 says:

    LDMMnos- RL was responding to the stunt put on by Pelosi. It was a pathetic (but effective) PR move to place a camera in front of your favorite 30 year old activist with a DNC activist boyfriend.

    Is she back from her trip to Spain? Poor thing… Evil 1%er!!!!

  14. LornaDoone says:

    “Stunt put on by Pelosi” – having a women testify in front of Congressional reps. I guess Darryl Issa’s little hoe down was a stunt.

    When did Fluke go to Spain?

    Why was she there?

    What would that have to do with her testimony? Was she doing a travelogue?

    Who paid for it? Was she scholarshipped?

    What is the boyfriend’s name? When did he work for the DNC?

    If he is a DNC activist, does that make Cheney’s daughter an RNC activist?

    Is Rush Limbaugh an RNC activist?

    Six baseless assertions in a matter of four lines of type, CT7. That’s a lot even for you.

  15. LornaDoone says:

    Now, HERE is a great example of the “war on women”.

    CT7 and clandestine associates go out of their way about a trip that Sandra Fluke took to Spain, saying she can afford Spain but not contraceptives.

    Fluke’s issue (which they refuse to read) was that the college made health care insurance mandatory and got in bed with the insurance company to keep the co-eds from getting contraceptives, even when it wasn’t for birth control. The real issue? They feel that they pay the same as men, so why shouldn’t all of their Rx drugs be paid like the men? The affordability issue, is in context to alreadying paying for mandatory insurance (something that conservatives usually will say is “unconstitutional”, except in this case).

    Conservatives will lie and misrepresent a person’s issue to gain favor. I believe it is exactly how they claim “Saul Alinsky” did it.

    And THAT they call a war.

  16. This is a perfect example of what I was talking about on another thread when I mentioned a person who “steadfastly believes” in the superiority of her beliefs, her version of religion and her personal interpretation of Christianity.

    She has the right to her beliefs and to voice them. That is fine with me, but she does not have the right to make everyone kowtow to her religious and unscientific views through the power of government. Persuasion, yes, but not by passing laws restricting others freedoms to amke them conform to her religion.

    I have no idea what she means by a war against “true education”, but I am sure it must be her narrow view of the universe filtered through her own religious prism. Anti-evolution? Anti-science? Anti-biology? Anti-co-ed? Who knows what the war is in her mind.

    I have never heard a person on the left say that she or anyone cannot believe any way she wants to about any of these subjects, so I have a hard time seeing that she is a victim, fighting a war to be able to follow her own belief system. That is, unless her belief system says that everyone else must convert to her religion or what…die, be imprisoned, pay fines?

    Those who think differently have a right to live their lives they way they want to as much as she does. That is what is meant by freedom, liberty and the other values in the Constitution. No where in the Constitution does it say that Constance gets to require all others to follow her belief system, or else face the punishment of the law.

  17. As soon as I read the headline for this letter I knew who the author was….

    Connie resents that other blacks tend to vote Democratic and now resents that other women don’t appreciate the GOP’s recent politicizing of the womb.

  18. old_benjamin says:

    “Religious and unscientific views”

    And what is unscientifc about the views expressed?

    What “she” has a right to is the practice of her religion. (See the First Amendment) That also goes for those like her who make up the Catholic church or any church. Your right begins where hers ends. No one said you get everything you want. If you don’t like it, start your own country,

  19. concernedtacoma7 says:

    LDMM_nos, you got quite defensive over your prop Ms Fluke.

    She, and this issue at large, are a stunt and a distraction. You, my keyboard playing sexist, are scared of the real issues that effect us all. Let’s face it, women will get BC, they will remain free or very cheap. You are scared of the real issues.

    If she is a 1%er taking a vacation, I say good for her. But do not cry when the picture of her sitting there as a poor law student goes tumbling down. You, and Pelosi, should feel ashamed for using her.

  20. tomwa007 says:

    This letter is a joke, right?

    Or is it proof that GOP women voters only beleive what thier husband’s or church tells them.

  21. alindasue says:

    old_benjamin said, “Your right begins where hers ends.”

    It can also be said that her rights (and your rights or mine) end at the point where they start interfering with the rights of others…

  22. old_benjamin says:

    “GOP’s recent politicizing of the womb”

    No, I think it was the Democrats that did that by pretending that the freedom to practice one’s religion is an attack on women. The attack is in fact on the First Amendment. That millions of women reject the Democrat Party’s line is the best evidence for its perfidy.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57395832-503544/poll-most-say-employers-should-be-allowed-not-to-cover-contraception/

  23. old_benjamin says:

    Alindasue, Ok I agree.

    Religious freedom is guaranteed by the Constitution.

    Where is your right to insurance for contraception to be found?

  24. sandblower says:

    Ms. Walden was obviously not named in honor of the pond. She certainly is constant though in a nonsensical manner.
    What is amazing is how completely accurate the title of the book is that describes today’s conservatives. Ms. Walden and most of her supporters here epitomize “The Reactionary Mind.”

  25. If it is not a war, it is certainly a series of attacks on women. The following are just some examples:

    Ann Coulter says America would be better off if women were not allowed to vote:

    Numerous states: transvaginal porobes against medical advice and against consent of the woman victim

    Numerous states: attempts to remove prescription contraception from health care insurance

    Maryland Republicans ended all funding for a low-income kids’ preschool program. They said women should not be working but should be home with the kids.

    Attempts to require women to be forced to tell an employer the specific conditions for which she is using prescription medications and allow the employer to decide whether or not insurance will apy for it based on the employer’s religiious or moral or other beliefs

    Republicans stalled and put barriers to the reauthorizaion of the Violence against Women’s Act, in the past seen as non-controversial, because it includes protection and services for lesbian partners and spouses, allows immigrants to seek legal assistance and assistance in shelters. Chuck Grassley (R., Iowa) and the Family Research Council are particularly upset about the inclusion of same-sex partner victims.

    There are over 400 anti-women bills pending in state legislatures on issues that had never before been controversial or had been settled for decades, like allowing abortions to save a womean’s life.

  26. sandblower says:

    Ben is wrong again in a big way. He wrote: “What “she” has a right to is the practice of her religion.”
    Religious belief is protected. Religious practice is not in all cases. There is a difference.

  27. sandblower says:

    It is within the Government’s purview to provide for its citizens what they cannot provide for themselves. The usual example is defense.
    For too many it is health care. It is completely within the capability and responsibility of the Government to provide health care for everyone. I know Ben and others don’t like it, but I don’t care what they like and dislike. I care about my neighbors near and far.

  28. LornaDoone says:

    “Where is your right to insurance for contraception to be found?”

    Probably in a labor contract.

  29. aislander says:

    aozo writes: What an utterly adolescent retort. You diminish yourself.

    Some things are irreducible…

    alindasue writes: It can also be said that…rights…end at the point where they start interfering with the rights of others…

    We really need to nail down what constitutes a right, as I was attempting to do on another thread. But no one wanted to play…

  30. old_b, you asked : “…what is unscientifc about the views expressed”

    If Connie is pregnant and would rather die and possibly have her fetus die rather than have an abortion to save her life, that is fine with me. That is what freedom to choose means. However, she has no right to demand that others die for her beliefs or to even make everyone call a fetus a baby, since it isn’t.

    She has no right to use her religious beliefs to define for all America when fetal tissue becomes a human life. In the past she has expressed her opinion that Plan B kills a baby, so she must believe that an unfertilized egg is a baby, and that also goes against science.

  31. aislander says:

    Sorry. sozo!

  32. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Blow- for me it is a Ferrari. Where is the line? Housing, healthcare, food, cellphones, etc. This is insane.

    Govt is there to serve us all, NOT THE INDIVIDUAL. That is a progressive, non-Constitutional invention.

  33. LornaDoone says:

    “you got quite defensive over your prop Ms Fluke”

    Seeking truth will appear to be defensive to those who are propagandizing an issue.

    “You, my keyboard playing sexist” What in the world does this mean? We are all on keyboards, but it would appear the sexist is the one that seeks to demonize a woman for testifying before congressional respresentatives, as requested. This is right out of Rush Limbaugh’s playbook.

    Now, prove that Fluke was not in Spain on a scholastic venture. Prove that the pictures aren’t 5 or 6 years old. She could have been there with the Peace Corps or something similar. Then, read the testimony and you’ll find that Fluke did not say that she couldn’t personally afford the drugs. You’ll also find that the college has already been paid for the MANDATORY insurance policy that should cover the drugs.

    Your Saul Alinsky tactics are despicable.

    More of the assault on women from the Washington Times:

    “Just in case you thought slutgate had reached its apogee of absurdity, the entrance into the story of sluts and hos attorney Gloria Allred should inform you otherwise.

    Now, Ms. Allred really knows her hos and sluts.”

    And they feign outrage at Maher’s word about Palin.

  34. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Her attending that particular school was not MANDATORY. She made a choice by attending that school and made a contract with them. No reason to complain.

    I do not care when or why she was in Spain. I am sure someone could find out if the guy in the picture is her current boyfriend and how long they have been dating.

    What were you trying to show with the WT quote?

    The only attacks I see here are from you against Palin and others attacking the author for expressing her views. Rather then showing pride in her strength for going against the grain and voting with her mind, she gets attacked. Pathetic.

  35. LornaDoone says:

    Her insurance WAS mandatory.

    I do care when she was in Spain and why, because I’m not trying to trump up an issue as you are.

    “Attacks against Palin” – do you mean the truth, as opposed to baseless assertions? Why don’t you quote an attack on Palin. We’d love to know what you think an attack is. Those are usually called “observations of a public person” – unless you are admitting to attacks on Obama.

    The Washington Times quote – more of the same. Call women “sluts” and “hos”. War on Women. It is obvious to those not oblivious.

  36. alindasue says:

    old_benjamin said, “Where is your right to insurance for contraception to be found?”

    As LornaDoone said, “Probably in a labor contract”, although I’m pretty sure that it’s not considered a “right” in ours.

    The insurance we have through my husband’s job doesn’t cover every form of birth control. It doesn’t cover drugs and devises available without a prescription at all (which would include some birth control, like Plan B.) Of course, it also doesn’t cover fertility treatments and most erectile dysfunction medications either.

    aislander said, “We really need to nail down what constitutes a right, as I was attempting to do on another thread. But no one wanted to play…”

    Unless you are a member of the Supreme Court, I don’t want to “play” with you either. Our constitutional rights are not toys to be played with.

  37. LornaDoone says:

    CT7 – so, you don’t have any support data for your baseless assertions?
    Tell me something new. I’m certain you have nothing to support your claims of “banned monikers” either. It appears you are losing control here.

    You apply to a college, you are accepted, THEN you find out about the ancillary charges.

    I won’t ask about you being dense.

  38. LornaDoone says:

    alindasue – if a person were to search “rights of a contract”, they’ll come up with countless examples of “rights”.

    Conservatives love to play rhetoric games to avoid the obvious issues. You are smart to not play.

  39. concernedtacoma7 says:

    LD_nos, post something with your old moniker in it. You were so offensive TNT even banned mention of your moniker.

    So this kid is going to school to become a lawyer and didn’t understand the contract? That is a problem for Congress? No.

  40. bobcat1a says:

    Let the right keep believing that there is “no war on women.” The majority of women know different and will vote their beliefs. The conservatives dig their political graves deeper with every law they bring before the public. LET THEM DIG.

  41. LornaDoone says:

    old moniker? (scratches head) I don’t get it.

  42. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    … having a women testify in front of Congressional reps.

    LOL, that dog-and-pony show was little more than a PR stunt. Fluke was not allowed to testify before the Oversight and Government Reform Committee, as you well know.

    Issa explained that Democrats had requested Barry Lynn, that Lynn was invited, and that Democrats then retracted the Lynn request. “The Democrats played games with us the day before [the hearing],” he said. “After days of asking for a witness, they waited until the last minute, the afternoon before the hearing. They asked us to invite Rev. Barry Lynn [head of Americans United for Separation of Church and State] and Ms. Fluke. We said we’ll invite one, per standard procedure. We formally invited Rev. Lynn, and the Democrats, at 4:30 pm, changed their mind and said they wanted Fluke. We said too late. They told Rev. Lynn not to show up the next day.”

    As for Fluke, Issa said Republicans had never heard of the Democrats’ last-minute choice. “I asked our staff what is her background, what has she done,” Issa said at the hearing. “They did the usual that we do when we’re not provided the three days and the forms to go with it. They did a Google search. They looked and found that she was, in fact, and is a college student who appears to have become energized over this issue and participated in approximately a 45-minute press conference…I cannot and will not arbitrarily take a majority or minority witness if they do not have the appropriate credentials, both for a hearing at the full committee of the U.S. House of Representatives and if we cannot vet them in a timely fashion.”

    And indeed, as it turned out, she didn’t have much to say. The entire basis of her testimony to the Democratic Steering Committee the next week was that she had “a friend” who had a medical problem that required her to take birth control pills. Georgetown’s policy covers her friend’s condition, Fluke said, but did not actually pay for the pills, which caused her friend to stop purchasing and taking the pills and, later, to suffer a medical emergency. It was all pretty vague, and certainly wasn’t expert testimony.

  43. sandblower says:

    Boo Hoo, concerned wants the government to provide him with a Ferarri since the government is going to provide the ability for everyone to have health care in one way or another.
    It is that kind of un-reason that makes me wonder about the capabilities of people who utter such complete nonsense.

  44. LornaDoone says:

    It’s amazing how hard the wrongwing is trying to discredit Sandra Fluke because there is no war on women.

    They have put up quite a bit of blog space to say that she is meaningless.

  45. wildcelticrose says:

    Wow,

    talk about drinking the coolaid…

    Sorry Constance, but despite what your priest/husband tell you to believe, there is a very real war against women who want to decide when and how to raise a family.

  46. LornaDoone says:

    Since Issa is big on vetting and credibility:

    A week before he was discharged, he and his brother were arrested on theft charges. Near the end of 1979, William Issa, who by then had served federal and state prison time for theft, had sold his brother’s 1976 Mercedes-Benz sedan to a San Jose dealership for $16,000, giving the dealer an Ohio license with Issa’s name on it. Issa had soon reported the car stolen and told the police he had left the title certificate in the trunk.[4] Issa made conflicting statements to police about whether or not he had obtained a second license and also about his brother, whom he had recently seen at Christmas in Cleveland Heights. With the investigator suspicious that the brothers might have conspired to commit insurance fraud, they were indicted. Issa said he had no knowledge of his brother’s intentions; William said Issa had given him power of attorney a few weeks beforehand and had authorized him to sell the car. Issa bought the Mercedes back from the dealership for $17,000 in February; in August, the case was dropped.[4] In 2011, Issa said he had tried to cover his brother’s crime, avoiding incriminating him. Both men say that William Issa planned and executed the scheme; William says Issa had “always kept the title stuff in his car”. According to Issa, he remained close to his brother in spite of his brother’s activities and had ridden, as a boy, with William in cars he knew must have been stolen, saying in 2011 that “I admired my brother even when he was doing wrong…. I was always the kid at his ankles.”

    Sandra Fluke has been a part of a women’s health care organization on the Georgetown campus for 3 years and somehow the Committee on Oversight and Government Reform (Chairman) can’t find out enough about her to allow her to speak to a few congressmen and some religious people?

    I think they have forgotten what really took place in February. Let’s let Ms. Magazine remind them:

    “In mid-February, Representative Darrell Issa (R-CA), Chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, refused to allow Fluke to testify at a hearing in mid-February: “Lines Crossed: Separation of Church and State. Has the Obama Administration Trampled on Freedom of Religion and Freedom of Conscience?” Chairman Issa did not allow the Democratic minority to have a single witness at last week’s hearing, allowing testimony only from those opposed to the Obama Administration’s decision on women’s access to contraception to testify. Moreover, the hearing’s primary panel did not include a single woman, prompting Representative Carolyn Maloney (D-NY) to ask “Where are the Women?”

    As you can see, by the title of the meeting Issa was going out of his way to remain non-partisan on all issues (cough cough).

  47. old_benjamin says:

    nosblower, your ignorance is abysmal but not unusual among those of your ilk.

    When the Constitution says that “Congress shall make no law repecting an establishment of religion or prohibing the free exercise thereof,” do you think that “free exercise” pertains to belief alone? If so, get off the net and get some remedial education before you make a colossal fool of yourself once again.

  48. OldBen Let me help you with you question:

    “Where is your right to insurance for contraception to be found?”

    Fourteenth amendment – Equal protection

    So if an organization makes insurance mandatory that covers drugs without restriction for men then it must to do the same for women.

    Glad to help

  49. concernedtacoma7 says:

    LDnos, please do not play stupid with old moniker ignorance. Funny you deny it yet bring up your child, the principal just today.

    What do you not understand about Fluke having no place in a conversation dealing with Church and State.

    Even if it was about BC in college, why pick her to testify? Her ‘friend’ had the issue, not her. She is still a student, not an expert on anything. It was a disgusting waste of time. Pelosi should pay back the govt for her time listening to a 30 year old student tell a tale about a friend.

    Let’s not lose focus. This was a stunt. Fluke is not an expert on ANYTHING. She entered a contract with the school and did not like the terms. Not an issue for congress. She had a CHOICE. This is manufactured to hide the real issues. Obamacare (nice PR play to gain support from women ‘Hey, more free stuff!), $4 gas, high unemployment, Afghanistan, and our cut and run from Iraq.

    But let’s worry about Fluke, her ‘friend’, and RL vs BM.

  50. Republicans are at war with everything, including facts, science, intelligence, and progress. Stupid people are always clinging to the wrong answer.

  51. Lorna,
    I must me more immature than you are because I think the letter writer would tell a rape victim “It is you fault!”

    To all you conservacon tpoters – try doing some research some place other than foxbat spews.

  52. concernedtacoma7 says:

    emo- ignoring your childish attempt at vulgar humor, Rush was not paraded in front of Congressmen like Fluke.

    The mega-millionaire Pelosi used Fluke as a DNC tool.

  53. For too many on the left, access to free contraception is regarded as a ‘fundamental human right’, and “treatments” that pre-empts a potential pregnancy like Plan B and ella are morally indistinguishable from the treatments that combat a Heart Disease or Cancer or H.I.V. They dismiss legitimate rights recognized by the Constitution because it isn’t their’s being subjugated. They are not up to the task of understanding the difference between: “Women should have access to contraception” and raising the issue of WHO SHOULD PAY for a woman’s birth control?

    Person A has position X.
    Person B presents position Y (which is a distorted version of X).
    Person B attacks position Y.
    Therefore X is false/incorrect/flawed.

    This sort of “reasoning” is erroneous and deceitful, because attacking a distorted version of a position simply does not constitute a reasonable argument against the position itself. But what else is their alternative? Absurdly defending some gravel lot ‘trade-in': The First Amendment of the United States Constitution -for- Free Contraception, ella and Plan B for college students naive, or radical enough to attend a Religious U? LOL, enough to make a used-car salesman blush.

    You might not be religious, but, you might be next.

  54. Frankenchrist says:

    There is a Republican War on Women. The idea of a Republican War on Women is lodged firmly into the psyche of American women voters. Every election season has a meme and this season the meme is the Republican War on Women. I will spend many, many hours promulgating the idea of the Republican War on Women right up until the election. In fact, I daresay the Republican War on Women is a far more potent meme than the War on Religion or the War on the 2nd Amendment. The Republican War on Women is real and it is to be feared.

    Republican War on Women
    Republican War on Women
    Republican War on Women
    Republican War on Women

  55. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Your insane, childish drivel is not to be feared. It is just mildly annoying.

    Like your fear of voter IDs, you underestimate the American people. They know their wives, daughters, friends, etc. will be able to get BC next week and next decade. It is free or very cheap.

    This is about freedom, the Constitution, and individual responsibility. Something the left understands but hates. You want to transform America, not reform. Shame on you and those that support your views.

  56. Frankenchrist says:

    The Daughters, Wives, & Mothers of America know that the Republican Taliban declared a Republican War on Women. They are determined to force American women to live in an 11th Century Theocracy where male priests are the ultimate authority. Verily, the High Priests of Reaction have declared a Republican War on Women and now the battle must be joined. Taking their cue from Joseph Goebbels the Republican War on Women will be a total war, and to the victor will go the right to control women’s reproductive freedom. To the ramparts, then!

  57. It really doesn’t matter whether I think the Republicans have declared war on women. And, though she is a woman, it doesn’t matter what Constance thinks either. What matters is how many women voters think.

    btw – Congress is ranked the most conservative ever. It also has the lowest poll numbers ever.

  58. TSkidmore says:

    Fortunately most women are on planet earth…unlike the letter writer…wow – just unbelievable!

  59. Only people who can’t think for themselves will believe the crap the left liberals are putting out. Which is only the true diehard democrats. Independents and Conservatives know the demeaning tactics from the left and read to truly educate themselves. But I guess when your party is going down in flames – anything goes.

  60. No war on women? The Alaska senator who is pushing for women to get permission in writing from the man that impregnated them in order to get an abortion is the latest on the long list of new legislation that wants to mandate vaginal probes for women. Absurd. Why all of a sudden is women’s healthcare being a hot button topic across the country?

  61. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    Chairman Issa did not allow the Democratic minority to have a single witness at last week’s hearing allowing testimony only from those opposed to the Obama Administration’s decision on women’s access to contraception to testify.

    Lie. The Dems did not comply with rules or procedure in trying to belatedly invite two “witnesses”, and pulled their only allowed “witness” (Rev. Barry Lyn – GASP… A MALE!!!) the afternoon prior to the hearing.

    Moreover, the hearing’s primary panel did not include a single woman, prompting Representative Carolyn Maloney (D-NY) to ask “Where are the Women?”

    Another lie. The pouty-lipped Dems who couldn’t have their way purposely stomped out of the hearing before Dr. Laura Champion and Dr. Allison Garrett testified. They are fully aware that the rhetorical question, ‘Where are the women?’ and the claim that the hearing was somehow an assault on women is disingenuous.

    But we shouldn’t let facts get in the way of political narrative in an election year. And, as evidenced here in this thread, there are plenty of stooges around to parrot the lies.

    The so-called “war on women” is actually a war on everyone’s intelligence. And the losers are clearly finding plausibility.

    Conjures up visions of scared little Dems hiding behind women and children as they face the army of the truth. Both despicable and desperate, most women know this, and the polls show it.

    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/03/13/us/politics/president-obamas-approval-rating-drops.html?ref=politics

  62. vox – the polls show that Congress is the most conservative ever assembled and, just coincidentally, the lowest approval level (11%)

    So….citing one set of polls in order to support your assertion that women are not reacting negatively to the Republican womb regulations is kinda bizarre (especially since your assertion requires one to assume, without any evidence, that women’s positive feelings toward Obama are directly linked to their negative feelings towards GOPers)

    But then citing statistics that are tangentially related in an attempt to discount claims that have some direct evidence is kinda what you do lately, isn’t it?

  63. “The left is waging a PR war while ignoring serious issues (energy, debt, Iran, etc.).

    Please explain, other than ‘it’s what I heard on fox’ how this is ‘the left’ when the entire issue was created and started by the far right?

  64. “What an utterly adolescent retort. You diminish yourself.”

    Hypocrisy defined.

  65. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    What matters is how many women voters think.

    the polls show that Congress is the most conservative ever

    I posted a NYT/ CBS poll showing what women apparently think of 0bama’s manufactured “war on women” re-election strategy. How ’bout you show us your poll stating “Congress is the most conservative ever”. And while you’re at it, kindly relate how negative congressional feelings would be directly linked to conservatives only.

    “But then citing statistics that are tangentially related in an attempt to discount claims that have some direct evidence is kinda what you do lately, isn’t it?”

    LOL, wow, just wow. bB, I believe you’re so desperate that you’ve either stopped reading your own stuff before posting, or you seriously believe no one will know the difference.

  66. Anyone else notice that to the tidy righties to be rich is bad if one is a Dem, but is good if you are a conservacon.

  67. old_benjamin says:

    afret, before you bust your buttons, which organization makes insurance mandatory? I mean besides the federal government. If none, then your “argument” is faux. But let’s assume you have a point. Since when does the 14th Amendment trump the First? The importance the Founders placed on freedom of religion is rather obvious I would say. “Equal protection” has a long and tortured history. As you should know, it addressed the predicament of slaves in America and has only recently been used to cover everything the looney left can imagine.

    I know of no insurance plan that covers any and all drugs, for men or women. Clearly, drugs that address male sexual dysfunction are not in the same class as those that prevent conception, so there is no presumptive right to “equal protection,” whatever that may mean.

    Fact is, requiring churches to support contraceptive care is nothing more than a sheer excercise of unconstitutional power, and your “rationale” is sheer nonsense.

  68. Vox, your poll showed that a majority of women approve of Obama’s general performance (53%). It said nothing about their feelings about a “war on women”. If you are going to cite polls, you might want to cite one that supports your contention instead of proving that your statement is bogus.

    This poll shows that men and women overwhelmingly reject the Republican notion that employer-provided health insurance is a religious question or should even be up for public debate. “Seventy-seven percent of poll respondents say birth control shouldn’t be a topic of the political debate, while 20 percent say it should.”
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-03-14/republicans-losing-on-birth-control-as-77-in-poll-spurn-debate.html

    Not only has it been shown that our current Congress is the most conservative ever, a study at the University of Georgia shows Obama is the most moderate president since 1945.

    http://articles.businessinsider.com/2012-03-01/news/31112612_1_barack-obama-congress-moderate-president

    http://voteview.com/blog/?p=409

  69. sumyungboi says:

    The leftists / Communists know that rank and file democrat voters are stupid, they know that many independents are stupid, and so every couple of months, they find something else to be outraged about. The “War on Women” is the flavor of the month. (ever notice, though, how the plight of the homeless only comes up during Republican administrations?)

    In any case, it’s easy for anyone over the age of 5 and with an iq higher than single digits to see that progressive power is dependent on stupidity of the masses. Wanna talk about a war on things? Let’s first ask, why is it that progressives routinely refer to conservatives as “the enemy”? This is actually taught, over and over again, in Rules for Radicals. By declaring a “War on Women”, the progressives have in fact declared a war on anyone opposing their agenda. There’s been a war on Christianity since I was a kid in the 1960’s, can anyone honestly deny that? Right now, there’s a war on Limbaugh by the hyper-left MMFA. You see, the little darlings can’t argue any of their positions on their merit, so they wage war against the ability of opposing views to even be heard. How American.

    Bottom line: liberals, communists, marxists, progressives, whatever you want to call them, (and it’s all the same) are anti-American. The general secretary of the party, Obama, has said as much, in that he wants to “fundamentally transform” America. Ask yourself, if he were proud of America, why would he want a fundamental transformation? We all know his wife has never been proud of America until now, she said so. He’s an America hater and racist, he has a long history of hanging out with America haters and racists, and is leader of a party that depends on keeping inner city minorities poor. The democrat party is the party of lies, of deceit, and of racism.

  70. old_benjamin says:

    “a study at the University of Georgia shows Obama is the most moderate president since 1945.”

    Not worth the paper it’s printed on.

    One’s disposition is to be inferred from WHAT one supports, not how many times one supports something or other.

    Obamacare certainly rivals anything FDR ever did and will transform this country beyond recognition. It that’s moderation, I’m Harry Reid.

  71. sumyungboi, you ask if anyone can honestly deny that there is a “war on Christianity.” Yes, only the gullible would even think there is one.

    What there has been for a long time in our country is a group of people who think that instead of amending the Constitution to say that there will be no establishment of religion, that we actually established the Christian religion as the oficial religion of the USA. We did not.

    Those Christians who had thought that every law should be passed based on how a Christian would view it became concerned when others challenged that view.

    Instead of realizing that we have many religious beliefs, many religious holidays, some Christians wanted only their religion honored. They called any attempt by private merchants and others to be welcoming to people of other faiths as “political correctness” as if it were an evil thing. I am disgusted that mass consumption and buying expensive gifts are even considered a Christian rite, so, as a Christian, I am offended that secular stores are seen by those Christians as the focus of the birth of Christ.

    The whole “War on Christmas” was a marketing ploy by Fox News to get more people buying stuff from their advertizers.

    The true struggle is not a war on Christianity. It is an attack on the Constitutional separation of church and state by those Christians who think we have established Christianity as the national religion.

  72. LornaDoone says:

    “LDnos, please do not play stupid with old moniker ignorance. Funny you deny it yet bring up your child, the principal just today.”

    HUH? What is “nos”? My child?

    Someone is really out there. I hope this doesn’t mean I’ll have another stalker.

  73. LornaDoone says:

    Since Vox doesn’t disclose the source of a quote, I will. Washington Examiner.

  74. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    If you are going to cite polls, you might want to cite one that supports your contention…

    Okay, I’ll try to make this as elementary as I can:

    Support for 0bama among women is falling – down some 12% in the most recent New York Times/ CBS poll (hardly right-leaning biased operations there). Therefore, 0bama and the Dems “phony war” on women has not been successful – mostly because discerning people (several of whom have written LTE’s the past few days) see it for what it is; a phony wedge issue invented by the 0bama re-election camp and the DNC solely for the purpose of getting them elected/ re-elected.

    And I love the Bloomberg headline:

    Republicans Losing on Birth Control as 77% in Poll Spurn Debate

    It then goes on to cite poll numbers while referring to the “Republican frontrunners” as if all Republicans were in lock-step with Santorum’s views. Typical of Bloomberg, more typical of the New York Times… but then, that’s not what they say.

    And even this poll shows Romney less than a percentage point within the margin of error against 0bama for the female vote, well before he’s locked up the nomination, and exactly the same as overall favorability by women of each party.

    Not only has it been shown that our current Congress is the most conservative ever…

    Where? Where??? The link you provided makes a case for more polarization since when the Dems owned Congress, but you need to look up the difference between “polarization” and (most) “conservative” (Congress ever).

    But hey, since you brought it up, there’s this:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/post/obama-the-most-polarizing-president-ever/2012/01/29/gIQAmmkBbQ_blog.html

  75. Breaking News …

    This Just In : According to the delusional fallacies of leftists, the main source of content here in the MSM, it appears Republicans have now officially ‘Waged War’ on Trout Fishermen, Interpretive Dancers and Puppies.

  76. I posted a NYT/ CBS poll showing what women apparently think of 0bama’s manufactured “war on women” re-election strategy

    Nope – Your link provided this:

    Percentage of Americans who approve of how President Obama is handling his job.

    And

    Who would you like to see win the Republican nomination? (Republican primary voters only)

    And

    If the presidential election were held today, who would you vote for? (Registered voters only)

    And

    Should health insurance plans for all employees have to cover the full cost of birth control for female employees or should employers be able to opt out for moral or religious reasons? What about for religously affliliated employers, such as a hospital or university?

    (the majority of both men and women feel there should be an opt out available)

    And

    This debate is more about: Women’s Health and their Rights or Religious Freedom

    Results for that show that more men AND women tend to think it is about Women’s Health more than Religious Freedom.

  77. btw – Obama leads EVERY Republican candidate in the poll you cited.

  78. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    Since Vox doesn’t disclose the source of a quote, I will. Washington Examiner.

    Insert ehill cliché here (If you can’t refute the message, attack the messenger).

    So.. you’re saying the WE was the only one to run Issa’s quote? Actually, it was from the Congressional Record – go look it up. But at least they were factual – unlike the article you linked from… wait for it… Ms. Magazine (notice how I didn’t break out laughing when you posted that link?).

    Gee, Larna, wonder whose opinion would be more skewed on the event. Oh yeah, probably the one that Msrepresented (read lied about) it.

    I think you should cancel your subscription to Ms. in protest.

  79. The most conservative Congress in 133 years took control in 2010, when Tea Party candidates helped the GOP win the majority. However along with that came some other changes, none of which sit well with the American public.

    The Republican controlled Congress has the lowest approval rating in generations. Only 11% believe the current Congress is doing a good job, according to polling data.

    Additionally, the 112th Congress has been the least productive in more than 60 years.

    http://www.examiner.com/political-spin-in-national/poll-americans-don-t-like-their-ultra-conservative-congress

  80. sumyungboi says:

    Yes tuddo, we get it, you’re anti-Christian and anti-American. I’m sure you can find a pocket of kooks somewhere who’d like to amend The Establishment Clause, but then, I’m sure I can find leftists who would like to kill conservatives because of their opinions. Oh wait, I don’t have to go looking, actually:

    http://www.ringospictures.com/index.php?page=20090816

    Nice straw man though, but after construction, you simply did what all whacko leftists do, which is fall right into what you say you’re not. Read your comment again, hater, then go look in the mirror and tell yourself you’re not a bigot. Heck of a Christian hating rant, though.

  81. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    bB, see my 10:53 AM post, I’m not in the mood for redundancy today.

    btw – Obama leads EVERY Republican candidate in the poll you cited.

    Not within the margin of error for Romney, and only 1% within for Santorum. Hardly numbers an incumbent would be proud of at this juncture.

  82. “I posted a NYT/ CBS poll showing what women apparently think of 0bama’s manufactured “war on women” re-election strategy.”

    It showed that women do not care for the right war on women, and it showed it very clearly.

  83. ““Unfortunately a majority of women disagree with you.”

    Another lie from the left.”

    Another lie from the right: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-03-14/republicans-losing-on-birth-control-as-77-in-poll-spurn-debate.html

  84. Reading sum’s ranting and whinging confirms just how dishonest and desperate the right really is.

  85. Vox, I can’t help you if you don’t know how to read the graphs I cited. The graph clearly shows that on votes on issues and bills presented to Congress, it is the most conservative since 1879.

    Nowhere does your link even pretend that the drop in popularity has anything to do with war on women, that is totally made up wishful thinking on your part. In other polls the president’s previous rise in popularity was tied to the Republicans economy and the most recent drop in CBS poll(while rising or staying the same in most) was tied to the increase in oil prices.

  86. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    The most conservative Congress in 133 years took control in 2010…

    Oh yeah… because Maryann Tobin “Political Spin Examiner” at the examiner.com (not to be confused with the Washington Examiner, Larna) says so, LOLZ! Well, that’s certainly proof… even though the poll she (and you) linked is merely old socks and does not support even her opinion.

    We’ve been over Congressional ratings polls ad-nauseum here – to quote AI, “I’m not following you down that rabbit hole”. Take some of your own advice from the other day (and mine… which was subsequently deleted – twice); try to stay on topic.

  87. “LDnos, your overt hate for religion is pathetic.”

    “You, my keyboard playing sexist”

    “your sexist garbage”

    “nosblower, your ignorance is abysmal but not unusual among those of your ilk.”

    “Your insane, childish drivel”

    “The leftists / Communists”

    “the crap the left liberals are putting out”

    “liberals, communists, marxists, progressives, whatever you want to call them, (and it’s all the same) are anti-American.”

    “[Obama is] an America hater and racist”

    “The democrat party is the party of lies, of deceit, and of racism.”

    “the delusional fallacies of leftists”

    “tuddo, we get it, you’re anti-Christian and anti-American”

    “I can find leftists who would like to kill conservatives because of their opinions”

    “all whacko leftists”

    Nope. Nothing new here.

  88. Theefrinker says:

    wow, 90 people so far have wasted their time on this poor excuse for a letter….and now I’m 91 (or perhaps later by the time I hit “sumbit”).

  89. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    Vox, I can’t help you if you don’t know how to read the graphs I cited. The graph clearly shows that on votes on issues and bills presented to Congress, it is the most conservative since 1879.

    It absolutely does not show any such thing. Further, I suggest either sharpen you own comprehension skills, or learn how to use the scroll bar.

    In the House only you’re deceptively correct, which makes you 50% wrong, because the Senate is the most LIBERAL its been since 1888! Kindly scroll down below the first graph to see for yourself… if you haven’t already (wink-wink).

    So how does this prove your and bB’s assertion that this “Congress is the most conservative since 1879?”

    Answer: It absolutely does not!<

    Again, tuddo, polarization, conservative, look them up.

    All I have to say on this attempted diversion.

  90. sumyungboi, I get it. Anyone with a rational mind who thinks the First Amendment is a wonderful thing that has enabled our country to be the most religious Western democracy is a Christian hater and anti-American to you.

    I’ll stick with my celebration of the birth of Christ, worship in the church of my choice, pray in public and thank God for the freedoms we have to do so in America without government requiring us to do so or forbidding us from doing so. No one is waging war against me for my beliefs (except perhaps you, if I read your last name-calling post against me correctly).

    You can go to WalMart to buy all the Christmas worship you want and go to the mall to protest “Happy Holidays” in your “true Christian” spirit. That is a freedom our Constitution gives, too, without anyone waging war against you for doing it.

  91. sumyungboi says:

    I’m not a Christian tuddo, and I don’t care what the Christians do, unlike far leftists such as yourself. I just love the assumptions you make about me, too, hater, but you know, when you have to make snide little hateful comments in order for you to feel better about yourself, that says tons about your character.

  92. Vox, I think I see. The Senate equals the level in 1991 on conservative/liberal scale, not 1888. You are looking only at the Dems, not the Senate as a whole. I still don’t know what your “polarizatin” issue is. It is the most polarized because of the largest spread on the red/blue lines on the conservative/liberal scales, that’s true, but you are completely ignoring the black line.

    You dispute something on the thread, have support handed to you on a plate for the comment, then call it a diversion while making statements where you cannot provide any support. How typically right-wing.

    I know it will be distasteful to you, because the site has the word “Progressive ” in it, but it explains the graph a little bit more than I could.

    “A new study by Poole has found that Republicans have moved so far to the right that the House is now the most conservative it has even been in the last 133 years.”

    http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2012/03/19/446680/most-conservative-congress/

  93. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    All right, one last comment on the diversion-of-the-day:

    Yeah, I was waiting for someone to link the source of this BS. bB didn’t take the bait, but tuddo…

    First of all, again, think…progress (highly unbiased source that it… uh-hum, is), only posts HALF of the graphs – predictably, for the House. I’ve already conceded that.

    But don’t you think you (and they, and bB) are being just the slightest bit disingenuous in claiming Congress as a whole is “the most conservative ever”? You know this isn’t true as the “Chamber” bar’s current position on the Senate graph demonstrates. Averaging both houses (you know, what is commonly and collectively referred to as “Congress”) makes your claim virtually impossible to substantiate.

    And, yes, on the Senate graph I ignored the two-year .05 rise from the near communism levels of 2007 – not seen since 1888 – to the more comforting near-socialistm of 2009, matching the all-demcrat controlled Congress of 1991. Two can play.

    See what I did there?

    And while at the moment I have no reason to doubt that voteview blog is nonpartisan, I do find it curios that one of its authors, Keith T Poole, is the same author of the U GA “study” that bB first linked (since deleted?) having to do with 0bama supposedly being the most “moderate” president… EVER (LMAO!). So I would be very interested in seeing a simplified explanation of their methodology, as well as an update of the missing last two years.

  94. LornaDoone says:

    Yes. We know Congressman Issa had no agenda.

    Rush was just joking.

    The Democrats made Rush make the joke – for three days.

    Oh, and the Washington Examiner is not notoriously conservative.

  95. Ortingmom says:

    As a woman, there is NO war on woman….End of story

  96. LornaDoone says:

    “Lines Crossed: Separation of Church and State. Has the Obama Administration Trampled on Freedom of Religion and Freedom of Conscience?”

    I think Issa left out:

    “because he was born in Kenya and palled around with Bill Ayers while chanting “GD America” with Reverend Wright and plotting the overtaking of the US with Saul Alinsky at the age of 7″

    We can see that Issa was strictly fact finding as the title of the dog and pony show demonstrates.

  97. LornaDoone says:

    Ortingmom – so you support the idea of doctors lying to patients and mandatory non-consentual vaginal probes?

  98. LornaDoone says:

    Ortingmom – I forgot. “you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska.” – but that doesn’t make Sarah Palin an expert in foreign affairs.

  99. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    Sumone’s gonna’ need a name-change soon… I can feel it.

    Ortingmom, thanks for that. And please ignore the liberal misogynists here.

  100. LornaDoone says:

    “Sumone” needs to look up “misogynist” in the dictionary.

    The intentional misuse of the word makes them a “misogynist”.

    Meanwhile – http://blogs.babycenter.com/mom_stories/the-war-on-women-is-all-too-real/

    A real socialist/marxist publication speaks out on the war on women.(insert sarcasm button here)

    I love how the conservatives are bleeting their “First Amendment” mantra, forgetting that freedom of speech retains a right for people to challenge others on their alleged expertice. Not everyone claiming to be “a mother” has taken the time to research the number of laws being passed that limit or reduce a woman’s control of her own health care.

  101. Vox, A moderate in America is not a communist. Even a liberal in America is not a communist. We are a very conservative country,a ndeven our liberals barely make the mark under that cagtegory.

    I have about a dozen more sites I could link to that say the same thing about that graph. I just knew that you would use an ad hominem attack on one that uses “progressive’ in its name showing the absolute lack of any substance to your arguments.

    The Obama link that I gave you explains their methodology. On bills where the president signaled official support, the authors looked at the scoring of conservative and progressive sites to determine at what level the bill was conservative or progressive.

  102. LornaDoone says:

    tuddo – Conservatives don’t want facts. If they did, they would have read Sandra Fluke’s testimony and that would have eliminated weeks of “I don’t want to pay for your birth control pills” whining.

  103. LornaDoone says:

    More from babycenter.com:

    http://community.babycenter.com/post/a32159037/conservative_and_moderate_women_-_poll

    A poll of conservative and moderate readers. One commenter claims that the issue “has backfired on Obama”. Another reader reminds the first that this is an issue at the states level. Ooops! Interesting how fast the conservatives jump at the chance to “blame Obama” for anything, regardless of if it makes sense or not.

  104. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Just like libs blame Bush for everything under the sun?

    Nice Palin plug. More of your hate. Keep plugging away with the social issues and ignore the energy disaster, high unemployment, and the transformation of America into the failed european entitlement society.

  105. LornaDoone says:

    CT7 – If “hate” is defined by acknowledging the ignorance of those so willing to share their’s, I “hate” you. I know I’m taking a chance by such an analogy, but if you go nuts based on my post, instead of comprehending the terms, I win either way. If you have a problem with my acknowledgement of Sarah Palin’s lack of knowledge on foreign affairs, you might want to consult Steve Schmidt, who can provide intimate details about it.

    Social issues are the mainstay of the Santorum campaign and the conservatives have lived off “gays, guns and gods” for at least 30 years or so, and now you are going to demonstrate your brilliance by trying to say the Democrats are the ones playing the social issue card?

    “Energy disaster”? What is that? You mean artificially inflated gas prices? Heck, we haven’t even reached the 2007 levels yet and you’re calling it a disaster?

    “High unemployment”? It keeps going down. Congress has said that once it crosses 8%, they are pulling the extension funding. Now unless your GOP House has gotten soft, I’d say they expect that to happen – but not before November, as there is politics to be played.

    “Transformaaaahahaha…..” I couldn’t type it without breaking into laughter.

    Don’t spill the water.

  106. “the assumptions you make about me, too, hater”

    “you have to make snide little hateful comments”

    “Sumone’s gonna’ need a name-change soon”

    “the liberal misogynists”

    “More of your hate”

    Nope. Still nothing new.

  107. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    Vox, A moderate in America is not a communist. Even a liberal in America is not a communist.

    Okay, from now on I’ll use the “smiley-faced emoticon” just for you, tuddo.

    But by all means, please provide other links to legitimate sites that support your claim.

    Lord knows the links others have supplied since are beyond off the farm.

    baby center.com? LMAO! Really?

    More definitive studies, I’m sure.

  108. “Sumone’s gonna’ need a name-change soon… I can feel it.”

    You need another new name voxie?

  109. “Just like libs blame Bush for everything under the sun?”

    No, just for what he is guilty of, unlike you cons the evil ‘libs’ know who does what and can tell the when some is lying to them.

  110. LornaDoone says:

    What’s the matter with “babycenter.com”?

    If they supported an anti-abortion measure, they’d be pure geniuses.

    Someone is sounding quite misogynistic.

    BabyCenter L.L.C. is owned by Johnson & Johnson, the main sponsor on the site. BabyCenter has a policy of maintaining a clear separation between advertising content and medically approved health content.[5] Users of the website can sign up for free weekly email newsletters that guide them through pregnancy and their child’s development.

    The company is based in San Francisco and has several companion websites around the world, including BabyCenter Arabia,[6] BabyCenter Brazil,[7] BabyCenter China,[8] BabyCenter India,[9] and others.[5]

    BabyCenter was purchased from the now defunct eToys in a cash agreement valued at $10 million dollars in March 2001.[10][11]

    BabyCenter was the winner of the ‘Best family and parenting site’ category in the 2006 and 2011 Webby Awards and the winner of the ‘Health’ category in the Fourth Annual GII Awards.

    Granted, they are no “Excellence in Broadcasting”, but I’ll put my money on Johnson and Johnson to not make many mistakes.

  111. “In the past she has expressed her opinion that Plan B kills a baby.”

    If I am she, tuddo, please post a statement wherein I said Plan B kills a baby.

    If I am not she, never mind.

  112. Connie, sozo, Connie.

  113. sandblower says:

    After sorting through a lot of wingnut nonsense I see that old ben is still wrong. He has a very high wrong batting average. Oh well, someone has to be last or first.

  114. took14theteam says:

    I really fell sorry for Lorna LPH. If all I had to do with my life was stare at a computer screen 24/7 and make comment after comment on a newspaper blog, I think I would have to purchase a backpack from a member of the religion of peace and pull the string…..

    (going to see if my comment is removed faster than the vulgar comment from emoo above.)

    Oh, LPH, did you retire the m u c k i b r (had to space it out cause I think it is another forbidden name) “moniker”?

  115. took14theteam says:

    “I really feel sorry”. Didn’t want the righteous police after me….

  116. “If all I had to do with my life was stare at a computer screen 24/7 and make comment after comment on a newspaper blog”

    When you KNOW you can’t refute the message, attack the messenger.

  117. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    Water is wet, Grant’s buried in Grants tomb, the sun will rise, the grass is greener on the other side of
    th ehill, and other clichés having nothing to do with the topic.

  118. And that did?

  119. LornaDoone says:

    Stalking is better than commenting?

    OK, if you say so.

  120. LornaDoone says:

    Internet troll – “In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory,[2] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[3] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.”

    Internet lurker – “In Internet culture, a lurker is a person who reads discussions on a message board, newsgroup, chatroom, file sharing, social networking site, listening to people in VOIP calls such as Skype and Ventrilo or other interactive system, but rarely or never participates actively. Research indicates that “lurkers make up over 90% of online groups” (Nonnecke & Preece 2000). Lack of trust represents one of the reasons explaining lurking behavior”

  121. LornaDoone says:

    The war on women (Sandra Fluke in particular) continues:

    tes·ti·mo·ny   /ˈtɛstəˌmoʊni, or, especially Brit., -məni/ Show Spelled[tes-tuh-moh-nee, or, especially Brit., -muh-nee] Show IPA
    noun, plural -nies.

    2. evidence in support of a fact or statement; proof.

    Since Fluke provided facts about the issue of contraception missing from the Georgetown mandatory insurance, she provided testimony.

    At all costs the conservatives will seek to discredit a woman when she speaks about womens health care issues.

  122. Sonofwashington says:

    It is totally comedic to witness the conservative attempts to reverse the “War on Women” blowback into a contrivance ginned up by the Democrats, Pres. Obama, Pelosi, et al. The contrivance was Mr. Issa’s when he ginned up an “investigation” of the phony “War on Religion” by Pres. Obama.

    While much credit for the War on Women must go to the inimitable Rush Limbaugh, the really hard work was done by the Republican Leadership and right-leaning pundits who could never find the common decency to condemn Rush’s slander. Their contrived defense of Rush and attempts to “de-legitimize” Ms. Fluke will never wash with the majority of voters.

    From a political standpoint, this is a real bonus for Pres. Obama and the Democrats because it lays bare the underlying misogeny of today’s Republicanism. Despite their feeble attempts at denial, the repeated legislative attempts to undercut women’s reproductive rights and even to maintain equality under the law with their male counterparts, truly reveals the conservative attitudes toward women as lesser citizens.

    I suspect that many women who previously considered themselves Republican or even conservative will be voting Democratic in the next election.

  123. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    Is this you mia culpa, Larna? Self identifying are we?

  124. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    Sorry son, there’s only one “phony war here”. 0bama’s assault on religious freedom and conscience is demonstrably real. Phony “war on women”, not so much.

    Christine M. Flowers: The ‘war on women’ is all rumor (abridged)

    “At the beginning, when the birth-control debate was still young, rational observers were able to separate their personal beliefs and preferences from their fundamental sense of fairness. It wasn’t a political hot potato, at least not for those who cared as much about civil liberties as they do about women’s health. Since 1965, women have had the right to use birth control, just not the right to have it paid for by governmental fiat. Similarly, Catholics couldn’t prevent women from using the Pill (not even Catholic women, who are 98 percent in the tank), but we weren’t going to be coerced into subsidizing what our church considers a sin.

    Everyone was able to live with that.

    But, then, Sandra Fluke came on the scene and, aided and abetted by the type of woman who calls mandatory ultrasounds “rape,” the Georgetown law student transformed an economic, constitutional and religious debate into the Battle of She-loh.

    I have to admit how impressed I am by the Amazon warriors. A certain type of woman with a certain type of agenda has managed to hoodwink much of the nation into believing that conservatives in general and the GOP in particular want to keep them barefoot and pregnant (because everyone knows that there’s a direct correlation between having a baby and losing your credit line at Payless).

    It’s clever, really, the way people like Hillary Clinton have been able to make a connection between the Taliban and the Tea Party, eliciting gales of applause from an audience predisposed to confusing the two.”

    Unfortunately for the secretary of state, the facts don’t lie. According to a recent Washington Post poll, President Obama’s approval rating actually slipped among women since the contraception battle began. In February, 53 percent of women approved, and 44 percent disapproved. In March, his positives slipped to 50 percent. Hardly a catastrophic plunge, true. But it does show that not every woman is buying into this “war” narrative and that we don’t need Obama’s benevolent protection from our so-called enemies on the right.

    Some of us think that we already live in a country that respects our intelligence, our autonomy and our moral certitude.

    The rumor of war is greatly exaggerated.”

    Read the full piece at:

    http://articles.philly.com/2012-03-16/news/31201816_1_catholic-women-affordable-care-act-insurers

    This.

  125. LornaDoone says:

    Since the “war on women” is waged more on a state by state basis, why would the political campaign for president have anything to do with it, unless polling is directed at low information voters who buy into everything the conservative pollsters will direct them to?

    Example – “Do you think Obama is doing a good job since Sandra Fluke asked congress for free contraceptives?”

    Meanwhile, there is no question to the number of laws that have affected women at the state levels in Texas, Virginia, Alabama, Mississsippi, et al.

    How about asking women – “Do you feel it’s OK to have a vaginal probe if you and your doctor don’t say you need one?”

    Let’s see the answer to that question.

    Oh…and Christine M. Flowers?

    http://articles.philly.com/2012-02-10/news/31046635_1_free-condoms-unwanted-pregnancies-abortion

    A Catholic columnist on the OPINION pages of a newspaper. Gee, I wonder if she has enough hands to carry the all the water?

    BTW – she supported Joe Paterno in another opinion piece. A Catholic that doesn’t mind looking the other way when a kid is sexually abused? Say it ain’t so!

  126. LornaDoone says:

    “aided and abetted by the type of woman who calls mandatory ultrasounds “rape,”

    Nice. The non-voluntary vaginal penetration of a woman needs another name that is more – well, you fill in the blanks, I think I’m going to vomit.

    Meanwhile “type of woman”. Hmmm. I wonder if that line has ever been used when the defense is cross-examining a rape victim in a trial.

    Disgusting.

  127. averageJoseph says:

    Thanks for sharing your opinion Constance. Sorry you have to endure so much hate for expressing it.

  128. Sonofwashington says:

    I, for one, don’t hate Constance for her sharing her opinion, but I must say her letter certainly has undertones of hatred for those on the left whose opinions may offend her self-righteous Christianity. Hence, anything that does not square with her particular “religious law” is heresy if not down-right evil. Those who subscribe to her religious orthodoxy may be worthy of her love, but those who don’t are legitimate targets for hatred.

    Afterall, isn’t that what Jesus would do?

  129. Sonofwashington says:

    “aided and abetted by the type of woman who calls mandatory ultrasounds “rape,”

    Actually, the penetration of a woman’s vagina by anything against her consent is rape. Therefore, a trans-vaginal probe used without the consent of a woman would fit the definition of “rape”.

  130. This letter is nothing more than a baseless opinion.

  131. concernedtacoma7 says:

    It is located in the “opinion” section…

  132. LornaDoone says:

    Yes. The Hate Card. Played by the conservatives when you disagree or challenge them.

  133. took14theteam says:

    “WASHINGTON — The federal government is changing its longstanding definition of “forcible rape” in compiling national crime statistics…”

    “…The new definition, which has been in the works for several months and was formally announced by the Obama administration on Friday…”

    “…The new definition, which was drafted with input from local and state law enforcement agencies based on more modernized rape laws, encompasses a broader range of such circumstances. Specifically, it covers the “penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim….”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/07/us/politics/federal-crime-statistics-to-expand-rape-definition.html

    Without the consent of the victim.

    If one is going in to have a procedure performed, I.E. an abortion, one has given consent to said procedure. Therefore the penetration that LornaDoone is so concerned about (not sure why the faked outrage, since he is a man) is not actually a rape, but part of a procedure that the patient consented to.

    Larry, your use of the term rape is one of the reasons so many people despise your comments and your MO.

  134. concernedtacoma7 says:

    It is part of the whole choice and individual responsibility K_nos and his ilk want to abolish.

  135. LornaDoone says:

    “one has given consent to said procedure”

    Now there is a statement. “HAS to give consent” I didn’t think “consent” was a mandatory action.

    Note how the commenter tries to make it look like the definition of rape was just changed in the past week (they deleted the publication date from the quote on the article):

    Published: January 6, 2012

    WASHINGTON — The federal government is changing its longstanding definition of “forcible rape” in compiling national crime statistics — expanding both the definition of victims, to include males, and the types of sexual assault that will be counted in the Federal Bureau of Investigation’s Uniform Crime Report.

    The new definition, which has been in the works for several months and was formally announced by the Obama administration on Friday

    You see “Friday” (the Friday prior to 1/6/12) would have been December 30, 2012. So the Federal Government changed that definition close to three months ago, but they were working on it for several months AND it has nothing to do with Rush Limbaugh opening the can of worms that has set the Republican Party in a tailspin for attacking women, which, for some ridiculous reason, they continue to do, although it is making them look worse than normal.

    This is SOP for the conservatives, who would love to make you believe that nothing is happening, while something is happening. These are the same people who will tell you that a young man shot in Florida isn’t a racial issue, despite the shooter using derogatory racist language with the 911 operator. You see, they think if they deny something enough, or manipulate the facts of the issue, that makes everything change to what they want it to be. They’ll tell you that a mandatory vaginal penetration, aside from the abortion by their doctor, isn’t a violation of person because they agreed to the abortion. Interesting manipulation, isn’t it? Then the echo says something about “whole choice” (mandatory is a choice, except when it has to do with providing birth control pill funding, then is’t a horrific violation of religion) and “personal responsibility”, which would seem rather redundant if the patient has already seen a doctor and is taking the doctor’s advise.

    Who is “Larry”? I don’t see a “Larry” on the thread. Is someone trying to violate the privacy of another commenter? Is THAT “personal responsibility” or “whole choice”? You see, it’s just more of the same. Spit out phrases from a selection of right wing talking points, but when it comes to being personally responsible to a blogging community, all bets are off.

    Violation of a person, whether it’s their privacy or their personal space means nothing to these conservatives. All they care about is their idealism. No ethics at all.

  136. LornaDoone says:

    “If one is going in to have a procedure performed, I.E. an abortion, one has given consent to said procedure. Therefore the penetration that LornaDoone is so concerned about (not sure why the faked outrage, since he is a man) is not actually a rape, but part of a procedure that the patient consented to.”

    If a patient and her doctor have agreed to an abortion, how does that make her consentual to the vaginal probe that is unneccessary, other than to Republican lawmakers. It serves no medical purpose and the doctor would not order it, other than by the law that is being forced upon women.

    Seems rather simple to me. Of course, I’m not trying to find excuses to make such an indignity OK. Only a man would come up with the above statement, or a pretty disgusting woman with low self esteem.

    Whether I’m a woman or a man, I have the common sense to know that there is a difference between “consent” and “mandatory”. As a woman it’s a easy answer and for a man, all that is required is that you have a regard for women and their right to privacy in health care.

    Some people can muster neither.

  137. LornaDoone says:

    Lastly, whoever “Larry” might be and his alleged comments and MO – according to a few minutes of research, said “MO” appears to be nothing other than quoting one or more of several media articles and writers that stipulate the same thing – mandatory vaginal penetration, without the permission of the patient is rape.

    Here is one:

    http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/article/2012/02/15/government-sanctioned-rape-in-state-virginia-and-texas

    For whatever it’s worth and whoever “Larry” might be, it appears he is not alone on this thought.

    Fascinating how they love to try to demonize people and concepts, isn’t it? You’d think by now the conservatives would want this story to go away.

  138. concernedtacoma7 says:

    For someone trying to avoid a connection with a past moniker you just spent a lot of time talking about your past.

    In case a random viewer checks out this blog, LD was/is a blogger known as K$ard_nos. replace the $ with an A and ignore the _.

    He plays in a terrible band for pennies. He has been banned here numerous times. Like a bad rash, he is still here.

    In the last few months he has had multiple monikers, which he has admitted to. Pathetic

  139. In Idaho the vaginal ultrasound bill is on Gov. Otter’s desk. Not sure whether he will sign or veto.

    Don’t normally visit MoveOn – read a story that had a link. Thought it would be of use to see what the other side was saying about the (non)war on women that Constance was claiming:

    Top 10 Shocking Attacks from the GOP’s War on Women

    1) Republicans not only want to reduce women’s access to abortion care, they’re actually trying to redefine rape. After a major backlash, they promised to stop. But they haven’t yet. Shocker.

    2) A state legislator in Georgia wants to change the legal term for victims of rape, stalking, and domestic violence to “accuser.” But victims of other less gendered crimes, like burglary, would remain “victims.”

    3) In South Dakota, Republicans proposed a bill that could make it legal to murder a doctor who provides abortion care. (Yep, for real.)

    4) Republicans want to cut nearly a billion dollars of food and other aid to low-income pregnant women, mothers, babies, and kids.

    5) In Congress, Republicans have a bill that would let hospitals allow a woman to die rather than perform an abortion necessary to save her life.

    6) Maryland Republicans ended all county money for a low-income kids’ preschool program. Why? No need, they said. Women should really be home with the kids, not out working.

    7) And at the federal level, Republicans want to cut that same program, Head Start, by $1 billion. That means over 200,000 kids could lose their spots in preschool.

    8) Two-thirds of the elderly poor are women, and Republicans are taking aim at them too. A spending bill would cut funding for employment services, meals, and housing for senior citizens.

    9) Congress just voted for a Republican amendment to cut all federal funding from Planned Parenthood health centers, one of the most trusted providers of basic health care and family planning in our country.

    10) And if that wasn’t enough, Republicans are pushing to eliminate all funds for the only federal family planning program. (For humans. But Republican Dan Burton has a bill to provide contraception for wild horses. You can’t make this stuff up).

  140. If thats not a war on women I sure don’t know what one is!

    After reading that list of un-American un-Constitutional big Govt intrusions into our lives by the republicans, how can ANYONE even think of voting for a republican?
    How?

  141. averageJoseph says:

    Any men here over 40 that have had a physical? How’s your prostate?

  142. beerBoy, while I think the tone and presentation of those issues are a bit over the top and lend more to propaganda than real analysis, the facts behind each of the ten do pan out.

    There are many more examples that I think are worse. However, in each case, they show the midset of one or more males, usually white male evangelical Christians, trying to impose their religious values and teachings on all women and all families.

    Women in their world should have no vote, no voice in their own lives and should live perpetually in the shadow and domination of the male who “protects” her from her own evil nature.

  143. Sonofwashington says:

    beerBoy and Tuddo describe the “New America” that Rick Santorum would create for us. Kind of a theocracy/plutocracy combination where the 8 richest families would control American commerce and be exempted from taxes and burdens like protecting the environment or consumers from the harm they cause. Our Constitution would be subordinated to the Christian Bible (Catholic version, preferably) and our government, overseen by a Supreme Court of Aytollahs, will enforce all necessary sex laws, saving America from homosexual acts and keeping women and minorities in their place as appropriately submissive to the landed, white, gentry who are, indeed, the chosen few. We will all be better off in the end.

  144. LornaDoone says:

    “Any men here over 40 that have had a physical? How’s your prostate?”

    WAs the exam state ordered against your will?

  145. Never had to undergo a prostate exam in order to get a laxative…..

  146. concernedtacoma7 says:

    BB- I see no ‘war on women’ in your moveon list. I see the word proposed (meaning ONE representative tried some action) many times, I see republicans trying to balance a budget (something the chickens$it dems refuse to do), and people voting with their conscience.

    Many people believe abortion is wrong. While the left has no sense of right/wrong or morals, this is a firm principle for many on the right. This is not new or some radical shift in policy.

    I personally feel the religious bent of the GOP is bad PR, and they should focus on non-social issues. But given the number of posts here as an example, this distraction is not going away.

  147. I’l take the morals of those on the left who follow Jesus’ teachings on love, charity, hope, forgiveness and tolerance over those on the right who follow evangelical teachings of hate, intolerance, injustice and bigotry.

    The right has no sense of right/wrong or morals, only self-centered prosperity dogma and ideas like corporations being people – people without souls – but who are seen by the right as having priority over actual humans with souls.

  148. aislander says:

    There are rights that are intrinsic to us and cannot be given or taken away by government unless we forfeit those rights through our own transgressions.

    Other “rights” are conferred through legislation or contract. These “rights,” obviously, are conditional and we possess them only when those conditions are met.

    It is worse than foolish to conflate the two kinds of rights. To try to confuse them in the mind of the public is fraudulent…

  149. Many people believe abortion is wrong.

    Then outlaw it outright – don’t keep it legal but require women to undergo needless additional invasive medical procedures.

    And, since you are against abortion, do something to help unwed mothers (like daycare) that will allow them to care for their children, work, and stay off of the dole. (better education would help too)

    And – to prevent unwanted pregnancies – increase contraceptive education and sell/provide education in public schools from middle school through high school.

    But….it is easier to just pass laws to humiliate women who seek abortions – isn’t it?

  150. Many people believe abortion is wrong.

    Then outlaw it outright – don’t keep it legal but require women to undergo needless additional invasive medical procedures.

    And, since you are against abortion, do something to help unwed mothers (like daycare) that will allow them to care for their children, work, and stay off of the dole. (better education would help too)

    And – to prevent unwanted pregnancies – increase contraceptive education and sell/provide contraception in public schools from middle school through high school.

    But….it is easier to just pass laws to humiliate women who seek abortions – isn’t it?

  151. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    A Catholic columnist on the OPINION pages of a newspaper. Gee, I wonder if she has enough hands to carry the all the water?

    ehill? No comment on Larry’s (yes Larry, please stick to “Martini Music” – your house doesn’t have enough glass left to be insulting anyone else’s intelligence) breach of your shop-worn internet bromide? Wonder why.

  152. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    I’l take the morals of those on the left who follow Jesus’ teachings on love, charity, hope, forgiveness and tolerance over those on the right who follow evangelical teachings of hate, intolerance, injustice and bigotry.

    I don’t know whether to classify that statement as a straw man fallacy or just plain dumb.

    The right has no sense of right/wrong or morals, only self-centered prosperity dogma and ideas like corporations being people – people without souls – but who are seen by the right as having priority over actual humans with souls.

    This one’s easy; rhetorical hyperbole.

  153. LornaDoone says:

    “abusive and off topic comments will be deleted.”

    And then they whine about having comments deleted, as if they’ve done nothing wrong.

    “individual responsibility” – talk is cheap, action impossible from the right

  154. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Repeat offenders will be blocked, like all of your past monikers?

  155. sandblower says:

    Once again, concerned has no clue. Does anyone see a pattern here?

  156. took14theteam says:

    So why is the comment from emoo (_nos) posted on 3-22 @ 9:14 PM referring to the anatomy of Rush Limbaugh still here?

    Selective comment deletion by the nannies, that have nothing to do with the terms of the blog but more to do with the political leaning of the poster.

    If you are ‘Right’ remove it. If you are wrong (left) leave it.

  157. sandblower says:

    Concerned has a reactionary stance to the furtherance of human rights, period.

  158. sandblower says:

    Maybe Constance is concerned?

  159. sandblower says:

    Bad day took? Can’t find anything else about which to complain?

  160. took14theteam says:

    Could complain about you always blowing sand out your a–, but I won’t….

  161. sandblower says:

    The fact remains that republicans are waging a war on women (among other wars) and they are waging a war on law abiding citizens with their ridiculous gun laws which are epitomized by the Florida killing.
    Republican policy is idiocy. It is becoming easier and easier to see that truth.
    Show us one right wing policy that has enhanced the human condition, please. We will take it into consideration.

  162. took: complain, complain, complain. Man up! Say something intelligent that catches our attention.

  163. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Here is what dems do for a city-

    “10 Poorest Cities in America and how did it happen City, State, % of People Below the Poverty Level 1. Detroit , MI 32.5% 2. Buffalo , NY 29.9% 3. Cincinnati , OH 27.8% 4. Cleveland , OH 27.0% 5. Miami , FL 26.9% 5. St. Louis , MO 26.8% 7. El Paso , TX 26.4% 8. Milwaukee , WI 26.2% 9. Philadelphia , PA 25.1% 10. Newark , NJ 24.2%

    What do the top ten cities (over 250,000) with the highest poverty rate all have in common?

    Detroit, MI (1st on the poverty rate list) hasn’t elected a Republican mayor since 1961

    Buffalo, NY (2nd) hasn’t elected one since 1954

    Cincinnati, OH -(3rd) since 1984

    Cleveland, OH -(4th) since 1989

    Miami, FL – (5th) has never had a Republican mayor

    St. Louis, MO – (6th) since 1949

    El Paso, TX – (7th) has never had a Republican mayor

    Milwaukee , WI -(8th) since 1908

    Philadelphia, PA -(9th) since 1952

    Newark, NJ -(10th) since 1907

    Einstein once said, ‘The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.’

    It is the poor who habitually elect Democrats …. yet they are still POOR.

    “You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich.

    You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.

    You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.

    You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down.

    You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred.

    You cannot build character and courage by taking away people’s initiative and independence.

    You cannot help people permanently by doing for them, what they could and should do for themselves.”

    Abraham Lincoln

    And yet this president and the democrats continues to do the same————-“

  164. Sonofwashington says:

    I don’t see much of any “morality” worthy of emulation from the right. Pretty much all I hear is pontificating on sex and an obsession with gays and the control of women’s reproduction rights all based on some skewed notion of what God dictates as translated by male-dominated religions. When it comes to good works, the right is consistently trying to reduce help to “the least of us” and constantly justifying excessive wealth accumulation as “God’s blessings”. Most recently, those who claim to stand for family values and decency have failed to speak out against the vile rhetoric of Rush Limbaugh as well as vicious and even racial attacks on the first family. Where are the voices of these paragons of virtue? They seem to lack the courage of their convictions.

  165. Vox: “rhetorical hyperbole” in re my 3:44 p.m. post. I agree.

    Didn’t you pick up on the fact that it was a parady (with just shades of my own feelings) of the post right above mine: concerned’s “While the left has no sense of right/wrong or morals, this is a firm principle for many on the right.”

  166. I see no one bit on my previous post about outlawing abortion outright so I will rephrase it: Since Republicans are concerned about government intervention in medicine why are they so actively intervening in medicine by requiring unnecessary procedures in an attempt to discourage LEGAL medical procedures?

  167. Wow, so far 168 comments on this. Cant imagine why! HAAA!

    Oh well, ignore the fact that all those abortion supporters in the “its my right” crowd are probably pretty happy that their mommies didnt do the abortion thing.

    Thats all I’m gonna say about that. Have fun Kiddies!

  168. Dale – a new age Zen Koan (like “what is the sound of one hand clapping?”) – What is the emotion of a person who never was born?

  169. The Buddha said “all life is suffering” or “all life is struggle”, depending upon which translation you use. Either way, the assumption that one must be happy that they were born is rather optimistic.

  170. Ms. Walden is in denial. She’s so brainwashed that she cannot stand to hear another persons opinion. She sticks her fingers in her ears and cries “liar, liar’ liar” to drown out what she doesn’t want to hear.

  171. “Here is what dems do for a city-”

    Off-topic and completely irrelevant. Nice try at deflection. Failed, but nice.

  172. menopaws says:

    Don’t agree with this woman–but, she is entitled to her opinion. When her opinion and her views on religion become MY burden or obstacle, I’ll send her a copy of the Constitution. Religion and government should NEVER mix. Most people of faith according to the recent PEW poll don’t like it either.

  173. averageJoseph says:

    Doesn’t abortion (usually) involve vaginal penetration?
    Partial birth abortion sure does. That poor little baby’s body is delievered but the head is left in the birth canal. A small incision is made at the base of his/her fully formed head and his/her brains are suctioned out.

  174. aJ – not relevant to the discussion at hand.

    Several Republican states have imposed an unwarranted, unnecessary invasive procedure upon women.

    “Partial-birth” abortion was banned in 2003. This ban was upheld by the Supreme Court in 2007. Why do you think this is relevant to a discussion about Republican efforts to require unnecessary and invasive medical procedures for women seeking LEGAL medical procedures?

  175. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Ehill, I came across that and had to share. Don’t worry, you will see it again.

  176. Crying Rape
    Pro-choice advocates should quit calling ultrasounds rape.
    By Carole Joffe

    “A group of Virginia women has just formed a “Women’s Strike Force” to defeat anti-abortion politicians. But I have considerable concerns about what calling these ultrasounds “rape” and “unnecessary” will mean for abortion patients and providers. The reality is that most abortion patients do receive an ultrasound to date their pregnancies. Since most abortions take place in the first trimester of pregnancy, many of these ultrasounds are performed with a transvaginal probe, the most effective method for viewing early-stage pregnancies.”

    http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2012/02/transvaginal_ultrasounds_why_pro_choice_advocates_shouldn_t_call_them_rape_.html

  177. “Ehill, I came across that and had to share.”

    Irrelevant to the irrefutable fact that it’s off-topic. Try again.

  178. “The reality is that most abortion patients do receive an ultrasound…”

    Perhaps because a growing number of states, like Texas, require it?

  179. LornaDoone says:

    Mandatory insurance – “unconstitutional”

    Mandatory ultrasound – ?

  180. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Voluntary abortion?

  181. Legal.

  182. BlaineCGarver says:

    The OP had the guts to tell the truth. In order to justify killing babies, the Godless left first has to deny religion.

  183. from the article Pacman quoted:

    Ultrasound mandates are terrible public policy, but not because of the particular method that they stipulate. These laws are terrible because it is not the job of legislators to intervene in the doctor-patient relationship, or to demand that all patients be treated alike.

    Exactly what I have been posting for several days now….

  184. aislander says:

    In a nation whose forming document speaks of an unalienable right to life, it would seem to me that we should at least err toward preferring life even if we cannot yet bring ourselves to fully protect it.

    An ultrasound would be the LEAST invasive thing to occur during an abortion…

  185. aislander says:

    Why are we even discussing this topic? By doing so are we not accepting the premise and assisting Goebbels in disseminating the Big Lie?

  186. LornaDoone says:

    Why is a mandatory untrasound not “unconsitutional”?

  187. BeerBoy…You can go “Zen” on us all you want. Fact is, it seems to me, all the pro-abortionists, and those standing up for “their rights”, do any of them give a tinkers hoot about that CHILDS rights?

    I mean, we all know without a shadow of a doubt that that unborn “thing” will become a human child…a tiny baby boy, or girl….unless of course the mother exercises her “rights” and has the nasty little thing vacuumed out, unless she has been carousing with a donkey or giraffe or something, then that “thinkg” could be born as a unicorn or something…hey stranger things seem to happen today, in this culture of whatever feels good and floats my boat is my right mentality.

  188. averageJoseph says:

    Is abortion mandatory (I’m asking currently, not after Obamacare is fully implemented)? Ah, so neither is the ultrasound.

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