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LIMBAUGH: Maher’s remarks also despicable, but not equivalent

Letter by Judy A. King, Puyallup on March 15, 2012 at 3:20 pm with 124 Comments »
March 17, 2012 10:02 am

Re: “What about Bill Maher’s behavior?” (letter, 3-15).

Bill Maher’s remarks about Sarah Palin (and others) are offensive, without a doubt, and should be abhorred and condemned. But the one-liners he utters about celebrity women do not match Rush Limbaugh’s three-day-plus attack on Sandra Fluke, a 30-year-old law student.

Maher did not imply that Palin’s family should be ashamed of her. He did not say he wanted to watch her engaging in sexual behavior. He did not base his jokes on false reports of what she had said. Limbaugh did all that and more, haranguing Fluke and women who believe women should be granted coverage for contraception within health care plans, for which they pay the premiums on insurance to be used for any medical need.

As for Maher’s donation to the Obama Super PAC: Why not apply the same standard to those who’ve contributed to Republican Super PACs who have lied and made crude statements. No way should the president have called Palin to sympathize when she was criticized, given the things she has said about his family and himself. That’s asking too much.

Comments → 124
  1. menopaws says:

    Thanks!!!!!! Comparing these issues is just a smoke screen for Republicans to hide behind. We all saw how “manly” they were when Limbaugh slimed Ms. Fluke. President Obama doesn’t owe an explanation to anyone about this. I haven’t seen any of the cowardly lions that are Presidential candidates on the other side stepping up to the plate to repudiate Limbaugh, have you??? Maher gave to the Super Pac and the President cannot be involved with that……they just want to distract the press and the public from their truly dysfunctional situation with Limbaugh. Good letter—we women discern the difference here.

  2. Sonofwashington says:

    Hey, how about a little sympathy for the newly-oppressed Rush Limbaugh. The poor man obviously has an inferiority complex and has an overiding fear of competent (“over-educated”) women and minorities (uppity/arrogant). That is why, like a big Bully-Boy, he hides behind his oversized microphone with the “Excellence in Broadcasting” logo emblazoned and tosses out shameless venality.

    He knows better than anyone, that if he had to face a competent woman or minority in an honest debate, he would be humilated to be shown the lying repugnance that he is. Of course, his worst fears are now realized, thanks to the stalwart Ms. Fluke.

    I pity the man, but my real sympathies go to those many persons he has slimed so viciously over the public broadcast airwaves.

  3. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    So… Maher’s B/S/C/ words are not as offensive to a liberal women as Limbaugh’s S word, or anyone who’s contributed to a Republican /SuperPac… because surly they have said similar things about liberal women, or, or… they are about to… or will… someday… or… and then there’s Palin… yeah, that’s it… it’s Palin’s fault… or maybe Bush… or, or…

    Where’s ehill with his moral equivalency standards. I’m sure this one qualifies.

    Gawd, spare us the false indignation. If you can’t bring yourself to admit there is no difference – that one’s as bad as the other, kindly don’t bother.

  4. aislander says:

    Fluke is a thirty-one year-old woman who made herself a public person. That doesn’t justify the words, but it belies the crocodile tears being shed over them…

  5. tomwa007 says:

    One is a stand-up commedian and one is a radio host who likes to be called is the voice of the GOP.

    There is a difference when one has a weekly cable TV show and one is broadcast on Armed Forces Radio daily at taxpayer expence.

  6. Aislander? So any woman who tosses herself out there in a public arena is fair game to be slandered? I myself found Rush’s three day rant unfair and uncalled for. I also found Mahers name calling offensive as well. It is all the equivalent of calling every black person in the public arena the “N” word to “put them in their place”. Any woman you disagree with is just that, a difference in opinion- and calling her a degrading name because you disagree is quite frankly infantile. But I also tend to lean towards tomwa07’s comment. Not only is one a stand up comedian and the other a political commentator radio talk show host, one venue is a paid cable channel where an adult would expect some edgy commentary while the other is a public AM syndicated on 600 radio stations and subject to applicable FCC rules.

  7. Limbaugh’s S word

    Go to the link of the video I provided showing the “highlights” of his 3 day defammafest. Far more than one word dude.

  8. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Tom- I actually wrote AFN asking for Olbermann to be removed for what I found offensive to our military and the Commander in Chief. They responded promply and professionally, explaining they broadcast based on a percentage of viewership (i.e. if Fox has 40% of cable news opinions shows, they try and make programs match that %) while keeping a balance. I do not think I still have the email, but I will try and look it up.

    I imagine that the radio follows the same policy. Even after this issue, Rush is still very popular. Unfortunately for the left, no one watches or listens to progressive programming. Air America, Current Tv, talk about dead air.

  9. LornaDoone says:

    “Tom- I actually wrote AFN asking for Olbermann to be removed for what I found offensive to our military and the Commander in Chief.”

    So much for all that First Amendment talk that someone has been chanting for two weeks or so.

  10. Limbaugh did a three-day shtick in which he slimed Fluke. Maher does a daily shtick in which he slimes various women of the conservative bent. There’s nothinge to be gained in arguing who generates the most slime. Slime is slime is slime. Enough already.

  11. LornaDoone says:

    Hey Vox, in your righteous indignation about c-words and s-words, where does Bush’s Flip da Bird and Cheney’s F-bomb in Senate fit in?

    Sorry, I forgot we can’t talk about them anymore.

    Can we talk about John McCain’s use of the c-word?

  12. LornaDoone says:

    “Maher does a daily shtick in which he slimes various women of the conservative bent.”

    Someone knows nothing about Maher and his public personna

  13. aislander says:

    The First Amendment pertains only to governmental interference with speech. concernedtacoma7’s letter to MSNBC has no First Amendment implications…

  14. sumyungboi says:

    The letter writer cracks me up, she’s another glaring example of, no matter how vile the leftist, (Maher in this case) they’ll circle the wagon and refuse to acknowledge leftist trash because they’re, well, leftists.

    The sad part is, and I truly believe this, they see no problem. They hate those who aren’t like them, and I’m sure that Judy honestly believes that Palin is c–t, that Ingraham is a s–t, etc. She doesn’t care that Maher is a vile pig, because she agrees with him.

    I also noticed that Judy also chimed in with the latest leftist talking point, that Limbaugh spent three days dumping on Fluke. I seriously doubt that she or any of you kids parroting this even listen to Limbaugh, and while you’re all patting each other on the back for repeating what hyperbole the kos or the dem underground tell you to, you don’t even realize how ridiculous you are.

  15. aislander says:

    So…is Fluke a feminist icon, tough as nails and ready to go mano a mano with ANY…er…man-o, or is she a delicate flower, wilting away at the slightest unpleasantness and corroborating all those stereotypes of feckless womanhood, completely unsuited for combat?

    Or can one have it both ways if a lefty?

  16. volvo1999 says:

    I am sorry to say Bill Maher everynight attacks, he is the biggest piece of Sh*t know to man. What Rush said was the truth, look at what he said and really disect it. Bill Maher is a worthless human being, you arguments that one is a GOP mouth piece and one is a comedian is a joke. Bill Maher has never said anything remotely funny. If you say he is a comedian, why is his show political everynight. You liberals are disgustly ignorant and little babies. Go suck your thumbs

  17. the3rdpigshouse says:

    Fluke is a useful idiot prostituting the leftist and her own agenda for who knows what reason other than supporting anti-American values!!

  18. “I actually wrote AFN asking for Olbermann to be removed”

    So you support censorship. Thanks for the admission.

  19. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    In the mean time, Michelle 0bama is cheerfully set to validate the letterman misogynist and verbal child abuse show, by gracing it with an appearance.

    Nothing but consistency for the White House party posse. Maybe Letterman will have a real zinger cooked up for Sasha and Malia. You know those sex jokes about young girls are just too much for ‘ol perverman to take a pass on. ‘Course, he does save his best for conservative’s daughters.

    Is A-Rod scheduled to be on too?

  20. “there is no difference”

    Correction: there’ll be no difference just as soon as Bill Maher demands – and gets – an apology for the chairman of the DNC.

  21. “the letterman misogynist and verbal child abuse”

    More lies from the far right. What else is new?

  22. “the latest leftist talking point, that Limbaugh spent three days dumping on Fluke”

    … he said, parroting the latest wrong-wing talking point.

  23. bobcat1a says:

    Trying to reason one out of a position that he wasn’t reasoned into is fruitless mental masturbation. Sayonara!

  24. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Yes Ehill, I asked that he be removed from the programming lineup. I did not ask that Maddow or Rick Sanchez be removed (although they are both terrible). I singled out KO because he was full of hate for America and its CinC.

    Soldiers downrange should not of been stuck listening to his garbage.

  25. Sonofwashington says:

    So Ms. Fluke, by speaking in opposition to an all-male panel (at least 2 of whom are sworn to celibacy) on the subject of women’s contraceptives is supporting anti-American values? Thus, Mr. Limbaugh’s vilification of her (and other women as well) represents true American values. Certainly it seems to represent the true values of so many on the right.

  26. boater246 says:

    I wish the TNT had included the sentences they omitted in the above letter re: Limbaugh. It was less than 250 words and should have been printed as submitted. At the end of the first sentence,I wrote…”should be abhorred and condemned, AND I DO.” but the TNT did not print those last three words of my submission. At the end of the first sentence in the last paragraph, I wrote “who have lied and made crude statements, AND I WILL AGREE.” (it should be returned.) but those last four words were also omitted. To those of you who said I wouldn’t decry such language used by Maher, you are wrong, and I find your mockery disingenuous. You do protest too much, especially since you are guilty of your projections onto me and others who think that all of us should decry such language no matter who utters it! I don’t agree with Maher, but I really don’t agree with you. The larger question is if the TNT accepted my letter when I submitted it this afternoon, why censor its content and intent tonight?

  27. aislander says:

    Sonofwashington: Fluke wished to testify on a topic the committee was not empaneled to discuss. You know what is supposed to happen to off-topic posts on this forum, don’t you? Same thing that happened with Ms. Fluke…

    …until the Kangaroo Kommittee was fabricated…

  28. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    Judy, perhaps you could give us specific examples – better yet, actual quotes complete with citations – of what “things she (Sarah Palin) has said about his (0bama’s) family and himself”.

    Doubt very much she’s ever commented on his family. And while 0bama and Palin have traded jabs on occasion (see what I did there), I don’t recall the content of either slipping to the level of Limbaugh, Letterman, Maher, Olberman… and a host of celebrity-types who have hurled many a vile insult at numerous conservative women.

    It may be you could enlighten us all.

  29. LornaDoone says:

    Why don’t the conservatives talk about McCain calling his wife “the c-word”? They just seem to dummy up on that subject and go back to parroting their line about Bill Maher, who could really care less what they think. None of them are voting for Maher and Maher could take his money out of Obama’s PAC and put it in Santorum’s PAC, and they’d still vote for Santorum.

    They are so phoney they make me puke (to steal a quote from Santorum)

  30. LornaDoone says:

    “Maybe Letterman will have a real zinger cooked up for Sasha and Malia. You know those sex jokes about young girls are just too much for ‘ol perverman to take a pass on.”

    Interesting how conservatives have to make up issues. Letterman made a joke about Bristol Palin, an adult and unwed mother of national prominence. (did conservative wail when Bristol took to the road to promote abstinence with her child in tow?) Conservatives keep pushing the lie that it was about the younger Palin daughter, which Mommy Dearest pulled into the line of fire, so that she could reload and have ammunition to shoot at Letterman. It’s so nice when a mother cares enough to involve her young daughter.

    Letterman clarified Palin’s error and invited SARAH on the show to have her say. Her answer? “it would be wise to keep Willow away from David Letterman.” Note: Willow wasn’t invited. Nice, Mom.

    As to Sasha and Malia, well since they have been minding their “Ps and Qs” and Michelle isn’t having their boyfriends sleep over, there is no pregnancy to parade around the national stage, so I’m guessing that Letterman will just praise her for raising such fine daughters. I know I would.

  31. I find it odd, especially by those commenting from the right here have neglected to mention, is that you know who is defending Rush, wait for it, yes its Bill Maher. But I guess I should not be surprised.

    http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/media-migraine/2012/mar/8/bill-maher-defends-rush-limbaugh-against-fluke-fat/

    Having said that, I think Bill is wrong because the comparison is false as many have stated here better than I.

    But I also think it is odd that the particular comments from Bill Maher that the right has suddenly gotten all worked up about occurred some time ago. So I wonder why now all of a sudden there is such a problem with these comments now. Maybe because their dear leader Rushbo (AKA the drugster) is being attacked could that be it? Hmmm maybe!

  32. Rush is solely motivated by his sponsors, or lack thereof. He is the prostitute.

  33. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    Letterman made a joke about Bristol Palin, an adult and unwed mother of national prominence.

    Absolute shameful BS Larna. Why don’t you look up the transcript before purveying another of your special kinds of fabricated bovine excrement.

    But it was a line in Letterman’s monologue that set off a firestorm: “One awkward moment for Sarah Palin at the Yankee game, during the seventh inning, her daughter was knocked up by Alex Rodriguez.” Palin was in New York with her 14-year-old daughter, Willow.

    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2009/06/palin-vs-letterman/

    So taking her daughter to a Yankees game makes her fair play because “Mommy Dearest pulled (her) into the line of fire”. You are a truly sick puppy, Lornos. And I guess that doesn’t bode well for Sasha and Malia either. Good lord their parents won’t be able to take them to any more public events, lest they be responsible for sicko comments by national television show hosts.

    “It’s so nice when a mother cares enough to involve her young daughter.” Like I said, sick.

    Oh, and Larna, pay special attention to the last paragraph of the piece I linked – the part where Palin’s press secretary, Meghan Stapelton, says:

    “The Palins have no intention of providing a ratings boost for David Letterman by appearing on his show,” Stapelton said in an email to ABC News. “Plus, it would be wise to keep Willow away from David Letterman.”

    Now that was funny.

    If you won’t be more accurate, at least please try being more truthful.

  34. LornaDoone says:

    afret, Maher is like me. We both agree that Rush Limbaugh has a right to make himself look like as big a jackass as he possibly can. Sandra Fluke also agrees.

    It is fascinating at the delayed reaction to Maher’s comments of a year ago.

    I’m guessing the conservatives are just a little slow.

  35. LornaDoone says:

    Vax – Willow wasn’t invited. Nor was Taawd.

    As usual the publicity prostitute loved every minute of the attention.

    Don’t worry, Palin has plenty of say as to what her press secretaries say. Ask her first one during the 2008 campaign that got booted to the street for not pulling a sentence from the release about Bristol’s pregnancy. Steve Schmidt and Nicole Wallace will back up the story.

  36. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    Nice deflection. Got any more whoppers for us.

    And speaking of “publicity prostitutes” did you hear 0bama’s speech before a junior college gathering today? Tough crowd, us usual.

    No, I think there’s only one “publicity prostitute” around here. And shortbread and martinis do go well with wallpaper.

  37. Vox – who’s deflecting now? Maybe a little short on answers huh?

  38. LornaDoone says:

    Vix – you forgot something in your copy and paste of Palin’s press secretary.

    “These are not jokes made about her 14-year-old daughter. I would never, never make jokes about raping or having sex of any description with a 14-year-old girl,” he said. Letterman insisted the jokes were intended to be about Bristol, who is 18-years-old. “Am I guilty of poor taste? Yes. Did I suggest that it was OK for her 14-year-old daughter to be having promiscuous sex? No.”

    Can’t imagine why you’d miss that. Probably just an oversight, huh?

    Did Obama speak to a partisan crowd? How dare he???

    The GOP Clown Car stopped how many times during the past few months for thinly disguised “debates” in front of the red meat consumers?

    With this month’s circus in Portland, it will be 21 times. I wonder when Obama is going to get equal time by the media for all of these hours and hours that this well scripted soap opera has garnered.

  39. lovethemountains says:

    Limbaugh is a bully radio talk show host. However, don’t make the mistake that he is unique. Take a listen to Ed Schultz on AirAmerica “progressive” talk radio. Schults is every bit as crude and vile as Limbaugh. For instance, how about when he used the word whore when talking about Senator Lieberman’s wife? Or his comment that all Republicans (or conservatives..I can’t remember which)should be shot? The kind of remarks made by both these wastes of air time certainly do little to diminish the rancor and spite between the two parties. I dislike radical talk show hosts from the left or the right. As far as I am concerned Limbaugh and Schultz are cut from the same cloth. It just happens the cloth was used to make two different garments.

  40. Sl_ t, Prot_ _ e_ or c_ _ t, can we all say liberals….Priceless

  41. Frankenchrist says:

    The NeoCons and the RepubliKLANs are terrified by the upcoming November disaster.

  42. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Here is a conservative cite discussing race relations.

    Skip to the comments. Shows the class of the right party

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/03/m-republicans_black_americas_true_friend.html

  43. Frankenchrist says:

    Wow, thanks ct7. It’s good to see the American Stinker is still peddling Obama/birth certificate nonsense. I also enjoyed the demands for waging war on Syria and Iran from the Chickenhawk Right. The attack on the Girl Scouts (those evil subversives) was particularly illuminating, too.

    Keep up the good work.

  44. vox demonstrates that he, like many Rush listeners, doesn’t really understand the structure of a joke.

    Letterman’s joke only works if it is about the Palin daughter who became a famous unwed daughter/abstinence only spokesperson due in a large part to her mother’s efforts to put her in the limelight is the subject of the joke. If the joke was indeed about Willow then it is just crudity and has no punch line.

    But then, vox’s confusion over cruelty and humor are understandable as Rush thought it was really funny to hold up a picture of a 14 year old girl identified as the new White House dog.

  45. The disingenuousness of those who say, “yes, we think that one word that Limbaugh said was inappropriate – but what about Maher and Letterman? – and, besides….she deserved it”.

  46. menopaws says:

    Still waiting for an explanation of where all these fine Republican males put THEIR courage. Or, is kissing Limbaugh’s butt and being afraid of him what you want in your Commander in Chief?????? Let’s be real clear here—if one of them had chastised this piece of impotent slime—well, he would probably have the nomination wrapped up. Republicans aren’t exactly showing their courage are they??? Let’s quickly divert everyone to Bill Maher, so they forget how we pucker up to Limbaugh. And, you wonder why women don’t vote for you. Not a real man in the bunch.Limbaugh’s a pill popper—what’s the reason the other don’t appear to have any “cajones”?

  47. The resurgence of interest in Maher’s remarks is simply a response to the hypocrisy of those who ignore vulgarity on the left and protest it when it comes from the right. This includes the president who desires to see civility from the right but is willing to accept large donations from uncivil donors on the left.

    This is not rocket science.

  48. Soldiers downrange should not of been stuck listening to his garbage.”

    As I said, you support censorship. So much for the 1st Amendment.

  49. “speaking of “publicity prostitutes” did you hear 0bama’s speech”

    So you think the President isn’t supposed to speak in public. Wow.

  50. scott0962 says:

    Where is the outrage when Howard Stern calls names and makes sexual remarks on the radio?

    Oh, I forgot, liberal radio personalitities get a free pass, only conservatives are held to account.

  51. “Skip to the comments. Shows the class of the right party”

    OK, lets do that:

    o dems simply must keep bIacks and other minorities down
    o It’s not any easier for me being white, male, middle-aged, veteran, conservative, and Christian. We are clearly being discriminated against.
    o progressivisn/liberalism is a great evil
    o Obama has set back race relations 20/30 yrs…’Wake up and smell the betrayal
    o The ‘Black’ community, now has three generations telling the same tired story
    o the average black person collecting welfare

    Wow, that’s some class. Especially the last two.

  52. “The resurgence of interest in Maher’s remarks is simply a response to the hypocrisy of those who ignore vulgarity on the left and protest it when it comes from the right.”

    Wrong again, it’s from the right’s whining and crying that “they did it too” defense for their fat drug addict hero.
    The right does this all the time, deflection is their only hope and when they couple it with their special brand of false ‘outrage’, this is what we get.

  53. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    vox demonstrates that he, like many Rush listeners, doesn’t really understand the structure of a joke.

    bB, from exactly where do you draw the conclusion that I am a “Rush listener”? I believe my point has been consistent; spare me the selective righteous indignation. Unlike you and, apparently about 90% of liberals, I have not, will not defend Limbaugh or any other personality who crosses the line. But don’t let that prevent your casting preconceived notions – frames your take better that way, eh.

    It’s so laughable how liberals like you feel the only way a reasonable augment – one that you cannot credibly refute – can originate with a conservative is because he/ she has a FOX News IV feed, wears Limbaugh’s ties, and doesn’t go anywhere without Glen Beck’s latest book. Really, your stereotyping reminds me of a typical Maddow rant, but then…

    Okay, so now it doesn’t matter that Letterman makes a mean-spirited, off -color joke about a 14-year-old girl… because he intended it for the 20-year-old woman, and we have learned it’s okay to publicly insult a woman – or, in this case, a girl – so long as she is a conservative. He made a mistake in assuming the girl with her mom at a baseball game was actually 6 years older which, combined with the fact she’s the daughter of a hated conservative woman, makes her fair game as the butt of crude jokes. No liberal outrage to be had there, just a “mistake”.

    Hmmm… mistake, why does that sound familiar? Oh yeah, Limbaugh made a “mistake” in his assumptions about Ms Fluke! Hey, moral equivalency again. Really, bB, two can play that lame-arse game. Why is it so difficult for you to admit that, contrary to the Judy’s letter, there simply is no difference here. Insulting and denigrating women – in whatever context – from a public podium, subscription or otherwise – is exactly the same thing in its base, no matter how it’s spun – period.

    Fact is, I don;t doubt for a minute Leterman knew exactly who was with Sarah Palin at the Yankees game. The intention of the joke was to be hurtful while making a ratings grab. Throw in li little dash of Clintonian “plausible deniability” and you’ve got a lure that no bB can resist.

  54. “This includes the president who desires to see civility from the right but is willing to accept large donations from uncivil donors on the left.”

    The President didn’t accept anything at all from anyone.
    A superpac did. You remember those, they are the invention of the right.
    Your hate for the President is clouding your vision.

  55. aislander says:

    It is fascinating at the delayed reaction to Maher’s comments of a year ago.

    There is a confluence that makes Maher’s remarks pertinent.

    Right-thinking people chided Maher for them at the time they were made, but the president repeatedly expressed his regret for the “tone” of political discourse, presumably from the right, which caused people to recall what Maher had said, but only in rather muted tones.

    Then Limbaugh said what he said, Maher made his donation, and the president criticized Rush.

    Shazam!–what Maher said about Palin is relevant to current events!

  56. Drug addict and viagra popper limbaugh is a degenerate and a deviant.

  57. LornaDoone says:

    and we have learned it’s okay to publicly insult a woman – or, in this case, a girl

    Yes, the conservatives have shown us the way – Hillary Clinton, Chelsea Clinton, Amy Carter

  58. LornaDoone says:

    scott0962 says:
    March 16, 2012 at 8:00 am Where is the outrage when Howard Stern calls names and makes sexual remarks on the radio?
    Oh, I forgot, liberal radio personalitities get a free pass, only conservatives are held to account.

    Stern more than once,both on the air & in print,explicitly called himself a libertarian or made statements libertarian in nature.

    Easy mistake, scott, Both start with “L”.

    You know what Libertarians are, right? Ron Paul is allegedly one.

  59. LornaDoone says:

    “Then Limbaugh said what he said, Maher made his donation, and the president criticized Rush.”

    As usual, someone is very mixed up.

    February 24 – Maher makes donation.

    February 29 – Limbaugh opens mouth

    March 2 – Limbaugh hasn’t really shut mouth yet

    March 16 – Limbaugh still making excuses

    And Obama’s “criticism”? – Obama “wanted to express his disappointment that she has been the subject of inappropriate personal attacks, and thank her for exercising her rights as a citizen to speak out on an issue of public policy,” White House Spokesman Jay Carney said at a Friday briefing.” Poor Rush

  60. IBMaxine says:

    What all of this does is crack me up. The number of generalities being thrown about, by people kavetching about the generalities being thrown about…. Everyone who is a liberal or conservative does not behave, believe or promote the same things that others in their circles do. I would be classified as a liberal. However, I am not making excuses for either side. Both have their share of pompous, self-agrandizing idiots. Both have people who can actually string a coherent sentance together. I love Maddow and O’Donnel, Limbaugh and Schultz are both a little too full of themselves. One thing I can say is that when Schultz really stepped in it, he was forced to apologize (even if not sincere, it at least sounded complete) and suspended without pay for a week. He had to do a public mea culpa. Limbaugh’s ‘apology’ was not only insincere, but was not an apology to the injured party. It was an excuse for being ignorant. For everyone who rants about being unamerican because you are left, right or inbetween…. being American means being able to believe and say what you like without being beat up for it. Having to listen and tolerate that is probably the hardest thing to do as an American. We don’t have to agree, we only have to agree that we all have the right to disagree. End Rant

  61. aislander says:

    I didn’t say the events were in any particular order, but that there was a “confluence.”

    And are you saying seriously that Fluke, the thirty-one year-old female law student is a “girl?” Chauvinist!

    You guys will make up anything just to have something to say…

  62. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    Yes, the conservatives have shown us the way – Hillary Clinton, Chelsea Clinton, Amy Carter

    LMAO! Can someone call the moral equivalency cop? Hello… ehill… you out there?

  63. LornaDoone says:

    Yeah, we can see you intended no order, aislander. Just like you find “girl” in my comment (it’s not there) Moving on…

    To whatever asked for a Palin insult directed at Obama, personally or his family – this isn’t really one. It could be, if not for knowing that Palin is ignorant enough to actually think she is being reasonable.

    Let’s just call it “comedy”:

    “What Barack Obama seems to want to do is go back to before those days when we were in different classes based on income, based on color of skin.”

  64. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    IBMaxine, thanks for that.

  65. aislander says:

    LornaDoone
    March 16, 2012 at 8:44 am

    and we have learned it’s okay to publicly insult a woman – or, in this case, a girl

  66. IBMaxine says:

    What ever happened to civil public discourse? Why do we appear to always discintigrate into name calling and mud slinging. We chastise our children for such behaviour….

  67. LornaDoone says:

    Vix – did I say something wrong? A fact, by chance? When you can look all the way back to the Carter Administration to see the Republicans insulting little girls, one can see that this is not a new phenomena on the part of conservatives.

    More on (no pun intended) Publicity Palin – The Family Guy cartoon show depicted a Downs Syndrome person in one of their episodes who disclosed she (an adult) was the child of a former Alaska Governor. A bit close for comfort, some might say. Palin goes public, Bristol jumps in. Outrage (forgetting that the comic is a FOX product).

    Now, here’s the rub. The character was highly functional – out on a date with a non-Downs person and was being voiced by a woman with Downs who was thrilled to be part of a depiction that demonstrated that Downs people are not all “retarded” (a favorite conservative word).

    Palin could have taken the position of “look how smart they made that Downs woman look in that comic”……but nooooooooooo…..

    We could go on for hours about this kind of stuff from Moose Huntress.

  68. aislander says:

    …which reminds me that no one answered my earlier question:

    “So…is Fluke a feminist icon, tough as nails and ready to go mano a mano with ANY…er…man-o, or is she a delicate flower, wilting away at the slightest unpleasantness and corroborating all those stereotypes of feckless womanhood, completely unsuited for combat?”

  69. LornaDoone says:

    “aislander says:
    March 16, 2012 at 9:10 am
    LornaDoone
    March 16, 2012 at 8:44 am
    and we have learned it’s okay to publicly insult a woman – or, in this case, a girl”

    Still confused, aislander? I was quoting Vox. It was a copy and paste. Sorry about leaving off the quote marks, I know you don’t read conservative comments on these threads and castigate them for calling a woman a “girl”.

  70. LornaDoone says:

    Oh and aislander, I won’t hold you too accountable. Vox was trying to manipulate the conversation toward Willow Palin, ala Sarah. I can see how you’d get confused with all that truth stretching.

  71. Sonofwashington says:

    Mr. Issa very usefully framed the issue as “freedom of religion” so Republicans could accuse the President of attacking religion (After all, he’s Muslim you know…).

    While this gave Issa a rationale to deny Ms. Fluke’s testimony, it ignored the fact that religious freedom goes both ways. By forbidding non-church employees coverage for contraception or anything else they deemed objectionable, the church would deny non-members their own freedom of religion.

    As Ms. Fluke’s testimony could prove an inconvenient truth, Mr. Issa denied her freedom of speech as well. This clever move backfired when she testified before a Democratic committee and turned “Obama’s war on religion” into the “Republican war on women”.

    Just in case the Republicans hadn’t riled American women enough, Limbaugh threw gas on the flames, igniting it into a national conflagration with a misogynist rant over 3 days, even attacking another of those “over educated women”.

    And just to keep those fires aburnin’ ever higher, Republican-controlled state legislatures and Republican governors are now requiring trans-vaginal probes and mandatory “counseling” for women seeking abortions.

    Great strategy in an election year!

  72. LornaDoone says:

    “One thing I can say is that when Schultz really stepped in it, he was forced to apologize (even if not sincere, it at least sounded complete) and suspended without pay for a week.”

    Maxine – please. Schultz wasn’t “forced”. He volunteered not only to apologize publicly, but personally to Ingraham (who has trotted the incident out recently to throw gas on the Rush deal) and self-imposed the suspension.

    As to “too full of themselves”, I’ll defend both Rush and Ed on this. Whether I like either or not, they are passionate about their issues, that doesn’t make them “full of themselves”.

    You’ve made a subjective assertion that can be nothing more than name calling with a pretty dress on.

  73. aislander says:

    Sonofwashington writes: By forbidding non-church employees coverage for contraception or anything else they deemed objectionable, the church would deny non-members their own freedom of religion.

    So…contraception is a sacrament of some lefty religion? I knew abortion was, but…

  74. LornaDoone says:

    muckidoone?

    isn’t that the one that stalked me?

  75. menopaws says:

    Anyone else notice we went from Bill Maher to David Letterman…….Not a peep about the wimps the Republicans put out there………Scared of Rush Limbaugh……..Real men of courage……..Don’t notice anyone lining up to defend their silence, do you????

  76. LornaDoone says:

    Religion can be as much the freedom from bondage as it is the bondage itself. When the Protestants moved from the Catholic Church it was to avoid those practices and beliefs with which they disagreed. Now that didn’t require a new set of rules, just the non-practice of the archaic ones.

    Catholics belief that contraception is wrong. Other religions don’t. That doesn’t require them to make a public statement or have a stone engraved that says “thou shalt take birth control pills”.

    To assert so, would be childish at best, “ignorant” would be more appropo.

    Religious freedom is available for all, not just the alleged orthodox.

  77. LornaDoone says:

    menopaws, all of them avoid discussing John McCain, who used the very same word as Maher, except directed at his wife

  78. “Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s”

  79. IBMaxine says:

    Lorna @ 9:30
    I was not targeting either of those men when I said that both sides have their share of idiots, it was a generality. I do however have a personal opinion of how they handled their issues. Ed was ‘forced’ in that whether it was his producers, audiance, wife and mother or his own conscience… I do not believe Rush had that same motivation. Not even by the mass exodous of his sponsors. I find both of them hard to listen to, one because he doesn’t let people finsh what they are saying and the other because I find most of what he says to be idiotic. I do however, believe everyone has a right to listen to and embrace whatever ideas and beliefs floats their boat. My brother is to the right of Rush and Santorum on many things and I tell him he is a political idiot… with love of course. He laughs at my perceived ignorance, with love of course…
    By stating that someone displays particular personality traits is not name calling. Being a ‘B’ is not a personality trait, nor is Slut or prostitute. That being said… my brother is still a political idiot. :-)

  80. aislander says:

    THAT, LD, is convoluted reasoning. If a self-professed non-religionist isn’t able to force someone to pay for contraception, that somehow violates her non-religion?

    Wow…

  81. LornaDoone says:

    idiots?

    Hmmm.

    I don’t find Schultz to be an idiot (nor Rush for that matter). Again, I would suggest that you are mistaken.

    The media is patrolled by people that are paid to find fault. I was listening to Schultz on the day in question and his use of “slut” when speaking of Ingraham was an off the cuff remark, definitely not planned. Frankly, I don’t think he realized it, until it was brought up to him. This is not an excuse, just putting the situation in context.

    Immediately, he took action on himself. Not one advertiser, nor MSNBC went public about anything. I suppose he was forced, kind of like a man might beforced to apologize if his wife said “honey, that was wrong”. Not very forceful in my book, but we both have the right to subjective views, I guess.

    I would have given Rush a pass if he had passively used an inappropriate word in a moment of passion. To drone on for there days and then start the “oh poor me” campaign is inexcusable.

  82. LornaDoone says:

    “isn’t able to force someone to pay for contraception”

    Still carrying the water, I see. No one was “forcing” anyone. It was a simple question. A request. A pondering.

    “why doesn’t our insurance that we pay for cover birth control pills when it covers all other prescriptions”

    Try reading the text of Fluke’s testimony. You’ll avoid further embarrassment.

  83. LornaDoone says:

    religion isn’t required for beliefs

  84. Sonofwashington says:

    Wouldn’t the ability of churches (or even employers) to deny coverage of contraceptives, ED medicine, or any other “remedy” they object to for whatever reason and regardless of the employee’s own religion or beliefs, amount to Sharia law?

  85. Lorna, again, I wasn’t speaking of those men specifically when using the generalities. When I spoke of them, I was quite specific. I do not believe either of those men are idiots. They can both say idiotic things… can’t we all. I also don’t believe anyone should lose their job over a case of foot-in-mouth disease. Especially when their job is to be controversial and cause heated debate and dialog.

  86. S-o-w 10:43 – Doesn’t the hardcore legislation proposed and/or passed by lawmaker that dictate moral belief and behaviour smack of Sharia? Demanding that all hold to your (in general, no specific) belief system just another name for the same thing?

  87. LornaDoone says:

    “Especially when their job is to be controversial and cause heated debate and dialog.”

    Not really. I’ll exclude Limbaugh when I say that most pundits are less worried about controversy and more worried about getting their story out.

  88. “Maher made his donation”

    How would a donation to a superpac have anything to do with this?
    This is twice now you’ve mentioned it, explain just what you think the connection is?

  89. LornaDoone says:

    Since the comparison keeps coming up, am I to assume that people are saying Limbaugh was making a joke for 9 hours?

    Word for word – why doesn’t the conservative base bring up McCain’s use of the same word as Maher? Should all GOP candidates supported by McCain give back donations and publicly stipulate that McCain is not welcome as part of their campaign?

  90. bB, from exactly where do you draw the conclusion that I am a “Rush listener”?

    From the fact that you don’t demonstrate any understanding on how jokes are structured. Letterman is a comedian with a good team of writers. He does tell jokes that fall flat and he does sometimes do questionable material. I assumed that, since you have come to a bizarre conclusion about Letterman’s joke, you must have a sense of humor more on the level of the average Rush Limbaugh listener who thinks that calling a woman a slut, calling upon her to post pornography, saying the word “sex” multiple times, etc. is funny.

    Maybe I was wrong – perhaps you just don’t understand humor.

  91. aislander – keep digging and you might just get out of that hole yet.

  92. Q. So…is Fluke a feminist icon, tough as nails and ready to go mano a mano with ANY…er…man-o, or is she a delicate flower, wilting away at the slightest unpleasantness and corroborating all those stereotypes of feckless womanhood, completely unsuited for combat?”

    A. Nice use of the false choice logical fallacy. Try again, Mr. Slander.

  93. Sonofwashington says:

    The fact that “others” have let loose with an occassional, inappropriate word on mass media is of no relevancy to the Rush Limbaugh issue. Limbaugh’s vile misogeny comes at no great surprise.

    The salient point here is the utter failure of the Republican leadership, Republican presidential candidates, consevative pundits, and FOX talking heads, who posture as the great defenders of “family values”, religiously-inspired morals, and standard bearers of common decency, to hold Mr. Limbaugh accountable for his inexusable rhetoric.

    So long as they fail in that, the American public will hold them accountable for the words of their defacto spokesman, Rush Limbaugh.

  94. concernedtacoma7 says:

    These threads are all the same and very predictable.

    Rush vs Maher, who was worse…. No one defends Rush but numerous posters defend BM.

    The $1mil. BHO cannot tell his PAC what to do, but he could express disappointment in the acceptance.

    Eventually LD_nos mentions Palin for the millionth time. Unless you are Alaskan, she never represented you. You harbor a sick hatred for someone pretty irrelevant. You have let your true colors shine while discussing Palin in the past, I look forward to seeing it happen again.

    No one dropped their ads for MSNBC because they took the slots knowing A) high probability of vile language, B) a tiny portion of viewers watch that channel. I believe they are 29th in cable channel viewership.

  95. “Tools can parse an insult as a joke, fools don’t know the difference”

    Tools can parse a joke as an insult, fools don’t know the difference. You’re welcome for the correction.

  96. “Eventually LD_nos mentions Palin for the millionth time.”

    The letter-writer mentioned Palin. Does that make the letter-writer this LD_nos person, whoever that is?

    The next person to mention Palin was Voxie. Does that make him or her this LD_nos person, whoever that is?

    The next person to mention Palin was sumyyungboi. Does that make him or her this LD_nos person, whoever that is?

    The next person to mention Palin was Voxie (again). Does that make him or her this LD_nos person, whoever that is?

  97. “You harbor a sick hatred” — taking the high road again, I see.

  98. LornaDoone says:

    “No one dropped their ads for MSNBC because they took the slots knowing A) high probability of vile language, B) a tiny portion of viewers watch that channel. I believe they are 29th in cable channel viewership.”

    Yeah, NBC, one of the pioneers of television, is well known for vile language, on the other hand FOX entertainment is who has brought “reality TV” to the forefront along with such family entertainment as…well, just read about their complaint to the FCC

    http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/99258-Profanity_Fox_Says_FCC_s_Indecency_Policy_Goes_Too_Far.php

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/27/business/media/msnbc-is-close-to-falling-to-third-place-in-cable-news-ratings.html?_r=1

    Third place is really close to 29th, if you’re real bad at math.

    MSNBC is a play toy for NBC. It allows them a news information platform for politics to not get in the way of their other programming, the real money maker.

    NBC #2 in the total viewing market is probably laughing at FOX and their “cable” ratings. Never have been NBC, never will be even close.

    My guess is, you’ve never worked much with media.

  99. LornaDoone says:

    Am I confused? I thought Palin was a leader of the GOP and a high profile televisions pundit on FOX.

    I guess she has crawled back into being the half Governor of Alaska, one of the states that cost the federal government the most money.

  100. LornaDoone says:

    How did Palin get brought into the thread?

    Hmm. Let’s think about this.

    Oh yeah. Her antics with Letterman and dragging her younger daughter into the fray.

    Oh and there was Palin being called a name by Maher that McCain called his wife.

    Gosh, I guess Palin really fits into this thread.

    WOW!!!! Palin’s name was in the letter, too?????

    For a minute there I thought that Polly Parrot squawking “off topic” might be right.

    As usual, nope. Not right, well, let’s say “not correct”.

  101. aislander says:

    Perhaps you guys are right and I DON’T understand the issue. I’ll go point by point as I DO understand it, and you can help me to understand.

    In the beginning…

    The people buying health insurance and those providing it came to an agreement about what was covered and what wasn’t. Am I okay so far?

    Then government began to dictate what was to be covered. Right? The way I see it, this is where the trouble started, but never mind that, I guess.

    With the advent of Obamacare, government dictated that contraception, sterilization, and abortifacients be covered, or paid for by employers.

    The Catholic Church objected to being put in the position of paying for those things, citing the First Amendment.

    The Obama admin said, “Fine. The insurance you pay for will have to cover them.”

    The Catholics said, “That is the same as our paying for them since we are paying for the insurance that will pay for them.”

    The Obamunists said, “No it’s not.”

    The House convened a committee panel to discuss the First Amendment issues.

    Sandra Fluke petitioned to testify before that panel, not about the First Amendment, but about who pays for contraception, etc. She was denied for the reasons I stated in an earlier post.

    The Dems then assembled the Kangaroo Kommittee to give Fluke a forum.

    Did she not express to that Kommittee a wish that Georgetown Law School, a Catholic institution, provide birth control for her friends and herself? I definitely remember hearing refer to herself and them in her opening remarks.

    I look forward with eager anticipation to having my misapprehension corrected so as to avoid being sent off to an Obama re-education camp for political heretics such as I fear myself to be…

    (we can do the post Limbaugh stuff next)

  102. LornaDoone says:

    “The Obama admin said, “Fine. The insurance you pay for will have to cover them.”
    The Catholics said, “That is the same as our paying for them since we are paying for the insurance that will pay for them.”
    The Obamunists said, “No it’s not.”

    I’m certainly glad that someone, in this case the President (aside from the childish namecalling) could come to a rational conclusion. The Catholic Church thinks that if they provide free parking for employee that is paying for their parking because they own the parking lot.

    Here is my example:

    “Sandra Fluke petitioned to testify before that panel, not about the First Amendment, but about who pays for contraception, etc. She was denied for the reasons I stated in an earlier post.”

    Fluke purchases her insurance, but since it is purchased through the college, the church is now saying that it’s their money and they can inflict their belief system on Fluke and others, violating their Constitutional rights as citizens.

    For some silly reason conservatives just keep trying to shout over the issue that Georgetown students pay MANDATORY (just like “Obamacare”) insurance premiums (that once the conservative said were unconstitutional, but now are supporting the college).

    So. The students pay for the insurance, thus the Church has nothing to say about it. Did you get it that time?

  103. LornaDoone says:

    “Did she not express to that Kommittee a wish that Georgetown Law School, a Catholic institution, provide birth control for her friends and herself? I definitely remember hearing refer to herself and them in her opening remarks.”

    You’re correct. She did not.

    What she did say, and has been saying for a few years is that she HAS TO PAY for the insurance and that coverage is her choice, not the church. Thus if she and other students want coverage for contraceptives, that is between them, their doctor and the insurance company.

    Re-education? Probably wouldn’t hurt.

  104. LornaDoone says:

    re-education, step 1:

    http://studentaffairs.georgetown.edu/insurance/

    re-education, step 2:

    http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Sandra_Fluke_testimony_to_US_Congress_%282012_February_23%29

    Now, read all of the words, not just the ones you like. This isn’t The Bible and it’s not subject to interpretation.

  105. LornaDoone says:

    Did she not express to that Kommittee a wish that Georgetown Law School, a Catholic institution, provide birth control for her friends and herself? I definitely remember hearing refer to herself and them in her opening remarks.

    Let’s check –

    “Leader Pelosi, Members of Congress, good morning, and thank you for calling this hearing on women’s health and allowing me to testify on behalf of the women who will benefit from the Affordable Care Act contraceptive coverage regulation. My name is Sandra Fluke, and I’m a third year student at Georgetown Law, a Jesuit school. I’m also a past president of Georgetown Law Students for Reproductive Justice or LSRJ. I’d like to acknowledge my fellow LSRJ members and allies and all of the student activists with us and thank them for being here today.

    Georgetown LSRJ is here today because we’re so grateful that this regulation implements the nonpartisan, medical advice of the Institute of Medicine. I attend a Jesuit law school that does not provide contraception coverage in its student health plan. Just as we students have faced financial, emotional, and medical burdens as a result, employees at religiously affiliated hospitals and universities across the country have suffered similar burdens. We are all grateful for the new regulation that will meet the critical health care needs of so many women.

    Nope, no request, wish, demand, threat, tantrum, begging, et al

    Just thanks to the Obama Administration for stepping in and being the adult in the issue.

  106. ScaredPhone says:

    The difference between Rush and Maher-

    Only one has been invited to the White House and spotted cuddling with the current president…

  107. Sonofwashington says:

    Excellent rebuttal, LornaDoone.

    And the difference between Rush and Maher?
    Maher is a comedian with his own show and neither pretends, nor is acknowledged as, a spokesman for the Democratic Party. His words are his alone.

    Mr. Limbaugh is an acknowledged spokesman of the Republican Party, so his words are the words of Republicans. Until the party disowns his words, they own his words. Hence, his misogeny and demogoguery are that of the Republican Party.

  108. LornaDoone says:

    Sonof – thanks, I guess.

    I’m amazed at how the conservatives avoid all the information that is available on the internet, that could save them looking like liars or fools.

    Now if we could just get Scared Phone to document Maher’s visit to the White House, because I can’t find it anywhere on the net.

  109. LornaDoone says:

    SonofWashington – you don’t think Scared Phone would make up a lie, do you?

  110. aislander says:

    No need to mock, MartiniDoone, since I humbly sought your wisdom.

    So, you’re saying this insurance that Fluke wishes to cover contraception free of charge is in no way associated with, coordinated by, or affiliated with Georgetown, and Fluke pays the insurance company directly, with no participation by the school? Is that correct?

  111. aislander says:

    …but you said earlier that the school obtains the insurance, even though the students pay. Forcing that insurance to cover contraception, abortifacients, and sterilization makes the church-based institution a participant in an activity they perceive as immoral. Doesn’t matter who pays, it’s about who participates. That takes us right back to the First Amendment.

    Seems to me you are insisting on a distinction without a difference…

  112. LornaDoone says:

    This is like a child that keeps asking “why”, over and over.

    “So, you’re saying this insurance that Fluke wishes to cover contraception free of charge is in no way associated with, coordinated by, or affiliated with Georgetown, and Fluke pays the insurance company directly, with no participation by the school? Is that correct?”

    You didn’t do your reading assignment I see.

    Teh insurance is paid for by the student. It is a group policy through the college. The college pays nothing:

    “A charge for this Premier Plan is placed on eligible students’ accounts, per their registration status referenced above, once per Academic Year. Upon being charged for the Premier Plan, students can elect or waive the Plan during Open Enrollment, as appropriate.”

    It’s their version of mandatory insurance, that you would say is unconstitutional if we were talking about Obama’s health care reform.

    It’s the student’s policy. They pay for it. If the college is so offended, why don’t they get out of the business of collecting and distributing funds that violates their religious beliefs, as opposed to violating the rights of others?

    Wanna bet there is a kickback involved? :::::horrified look:::: No, not the Catholic Church. They would never be involved in anything illegal.

    Do your homework.

  113. aislander says:

    YOU didn’t read my contiguous post. The salient point is the Church’s forced participation in the process, a legitimate First Amendment issue.

    You really should refrain from patronizing people until you are certain you are right…

  114. aislander says:

    Besides, having ANYTHING paid for by others is not a “right” that can be violated. It is impossible to claim a “right” that places an obligation on others. Enforcing such a “right” makes those people one’s slaves to that degree…

  115. “They pay for it. If the college is so offended, why don’t they get out of the business of collecting and distributing funds that violates their religious beliefs, as opposed to violating the rights of others?”

    Velcum to the New “Force” of Amerikas.

  116. “I’m amazed at how the conservatives avoid all the information that is available on the internet, that could save them looking like liars or fools.”

    Really? I’m not. avoiding facts and looking like fools is the stock in trade of the conservatives.

  117. Congratulations to those of you who picked up on Michael Savage’s D.O.C. false equivalency campaign to try to turn the conversation to Maher’s contribution to a Super PAC – you have managed to keep the GOP apology for the Limbaugh misogyny topic alive for quite a few news cycles – keep up the good work!

  118. And….to those who try to pretend that the link between Limbaugh and the GOP is imagined:

    A month after Bill Clinton’s defeat of George H. W. Bush in 1992, Ronald Reagan sent Limbaugh a letter in which he thanked him “for all you’re doing to promote Republican and conservative principles … [and] you have become the Number One voice for conservatism in our Country.”

    On March 29, 2007, Limbaugh was awarded the inaugural William F. Buckley, Jr. Award for Media Excellence, by the Media Research Center, a conservative media analysis group

    On January 5, 2008, the conservative magazine Human Events announced Limbaugh as their 2007 Man of the Year.

    On February 28, 2009, following his self-described “first address to the Nation” lasting 90 minutes, carried live on CNN and Fox News and recorded for C-SPAN, Limbaugh received CPAC’s “Defender of the Constitution Award”, a document originally signed by Benjamin Franklin, given to someone “who has stood up for the First Amendment … Rush Limbaugh is for America, exactly what Benjamin Franklin did for the Founding Fathers … the only way we will be successful is if we listen to Rush Limbaugh”.

    Zev Chafets, whose book Rush Limbaugh: An Army of One was published May 25, 2010, wrote after the first primaries of the 2010 U.S. election season that Limbaugh was “the brains and the spirit behind” the Republican Party’s “resurgence” in the wake of the 2008 election of President Barack Obama. In his May 20, 2010, New York Times op-ed column, Chafets pointed among others to Sen. Arlen Specter’s defeat, after being labeled by Limbaugh “Republican in Name Only,” and to Sarah Palin, whose “biggest current applause line—Republicans are not just the party of no, but the party of hell no—came courtesy of Mr. Limbaugh.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rush_Limbaugh#Awards_and_recognition

  119. menopaws says:

    Yep—these Republicans and those “men of honor” they’ve picked out to run for the White House just keep helping Obama’s poll numbers……….Maybe Rush will get their spines out of storage and give them back to them before the election……..This crowd is the gift that keeps on giving………

  120. Limbaugh apologists try to use Maher’s behavior to justify Limbaugh’s bad behavior. Then they attempt to justify Limbaugh’s bad behavior by blaming the victim of his vicious attack. If she didn’t exist he couldn’t have attacked her.

    The fine art of hypocrisy.

  121. took14 – jokes need proper context to work.

    the post you were referring to was relatively short (5 lines) and used dots to separate thoughts.

    Your joke didn’t work.

  122. LornaDoone says:

    “The salient point is the Church’s forced participation in the process”

    The church is forcing the church to participate. No one made them go into the insurance brokering business. If they can’t get out of the way between the student and the insurance company, resign their little money making scheme.

    I would love to be the one to make a mandatory insurance policy for conservatives, I collect the fees and pay to the insurance company and make conservative follow my religion of not being a conservative.

    What a racket!

  123. LornaDoone says:

    “Besides, having ANYTHING paid for by others is not a “right” that can be violated. It is impossible to claim a “right” that places an obligation on others. Enforcing such a “right” makes those people one’s slaves to that degree…”

    Still carrying the same water. The students are paying for their own insurance

  124. Sonofwashington says:

    Gosh, if we only had universal health care, single-payer insurance, we could relieve all employers (including the church) of the burden of administering health insurance as part of their employee compensation package.

    The individual could then exericse their religious freedom as they see fit and would never have to be debate coverage with their employer.

    We would also have a far healthier society, a lot fewer unwanted pregnancies, and a whole lot fewer abortions.

    I know, that’s crazy talk from a liberal who loves Romney care…