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LIMBAUGH: Obama’s OK with Maher’s obscenity, donation?

Letter by Lyle Laws, Puyallup on March 14, 2012 at 1:56 pm with 136 Comments »
March 14, 2012 2:04 pm

When President Obama said Rush Limbaugh’s comments about Sandra Fluke who had testified before Congress were out of bounds, and that he didn’t want his daughters to ever have to be subjected to those kinds of hateful tirades, I couldn’t have agreed with him more. After all, Limbaugh had called Fluke a slut.

In fact, the president was so concerned about someone from the radical right insulting a woman in that manner that he called her personally to express his concern for her. And, subsequent polls have indicated that Limbaugh’s crude language will likely cost the Republican presidential nominee votes in November. Fair enough.

However, when I learned that the Obama re-election campaign had not refused to accept a million-dollar contribution from Bill Maher, who had publicly called Sarah Palin a word so obscene that I can’t even repeat it in this letter, I was equally appalled. Does he feel that money that comes from someone who crudely slimes Republican women is OK as long as it will buy him votes in November?

I am not a Palin fan, but if Obama called her after Maher’s disgusting comments or after David Letterman said that Alex Rodriquez had “knocked-up” her 14-year-old daughter during the seventh inning of a game they attended at Yankee Stadium, I didn’t hear about it.

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  1. Lyle, just wait for the general election! You haven’t seen anything yet. Maybe people should look at the substance of the issues that are on the table. If the GOP primary is any indication of what’s going to happen, I’ll be pulling the plug on television.

  2. Lyle,
    Bill Maher is an American stand-up comedian, television host, political commentator, author, and actor. Maher is known for his political satire and sociopolitical commentary, which targets a wide swath of topics including: religion, politics, bureaucracies of many kinds, political correctness, the mass media, greed among people and persons in positions of high political and social power, and the lack of intellectual curiosity of the electorate.

    Rush Limbaugh is an American radio talk show host, political commentator, and an opinion leader for American conservatives. He is particularly influential in matters affecting the Republican Party

  3. What’s wrong with this picture?

    Your attempt to diminish Limbaugh’s crudity (his defamation of Fluke continued even after his so-called apology and included 57 different references, overt lies, calling her a prostitute, calling for her to perform pornography, insulting her parents, etc.) by comparing it to one word uttered by Bill Maher and one joke by Limbaugh (which was clearly meant to make “abstinence only” poster child Bristol the butt of the joke).

  4. Make that “one joke by Letterman”

  5. A true professional comedian should be able to poke his fun and make people laugh without insulting someone If we look at professionals like Red Skelton or Bill Cosby and compare them to the likes of Bill Maher and Lederman you see quite a difference. What you see are 2 pros and 2 amatures. It shows us the sorry state of the world of comedy.

  6. old_benjamin says:

    “Does he feel that money that comes from someone who crudely slimes Republican women is OK as long as it will buy him votes in November?”

    In a word, YES.

    Crude and insulting language is just as bad, no matter who does it and no matter to whom. Stop it with the phony justifications.

  7. concernedtacoma7 says:

    If BM made off-color jokes about race would the reaction be different? What is the difference? Hate and bigotry is unexceptable, even in the name of humor.

    In the end of the day, the left shows money is more important than principles.

  8. It seems Maher has been disinvited from an upcoming Democrat confab at which he was to be the featured foul-mouthed guest. When even Democrats can’t stomach him, that speaks for itself.

  9. vikefan66 says:

    xring – So what you’re saying is that if Rush Limbaugh were a stand-up comedian known for his political satire and sociopolitical commentary, then his comment would be taken with a grain of salt and considered just another peice or satirical rhetoric? While Limbaugh may be “particularly influential in matters affecting the Republican Party,” it seems that Maher and his supporters are attempting to be particularly influential in matters affecting the Democratic Party with their $1M donation. If Limbaugh gets slapped every time he opens his mouth, why are the likes of Maher, Colbert and Stewart allowed to blast whoever and whatever they want? Simply because the comedic ones deliver their messages less emphatically? Or is it only wrong when delivered by a staunch Republican?

  10. “the Obama re-election campaign had not refused to accept a million-dollar contribution from Bill Maher…What’s wrong with this picture”

    1. It’s based on a lie. Maher didn’t donate to Obama. He donated to a PAC. Obama has no control over PACs. No candidate does.

    2. It’s a classic example of the “but daddy, all the other kids are doing it” excuse. What Maher said was crude and wrong. But that does not excuse what Limbaugh said.

  11. lylelaws says:

    BeerBoy,

    I made no attempt to diminish Limbaugh’s crudeness. He is a buffoon of the first water who will probably cost Republicans votes among independant voters. He often deliberately says outlandish things in an effort to draw attention to himself. I say that without first-hand knowledge because never listen to his rants.

    Do you or do you no acknowledege that Bill Maher’s toilet-mouth comments are equally crude and disgusting?

    Do you feel that President Obama should associate himself with someone like Maher to get campaigh funds?

  12. Theefrinker says:

    Maher, Colbert, and Stewart do it satirically and artistically; Limbaugh does not. Limbaugh does it for shock value.

  13. menopaws says:

    Bill Maher donated the money to the SUPER PAC, which, by law, President Obama cannot have anything to do with. It was NOT DONATED to his campaign war chest. Anyone else here remember Romney talking about those negative ads that come from his SUPER PAC, and how he could not, by law, be involved with that?? It is a stupid, useless law, but if Obama violated it—-Republicans would be scurrying to the Federal election Commission like ants to sugar……….So, get your facts straight before you slime here. And, be sure to thank the Supreme Court for this mess. Bill Maher can give money to the Super Pac and President Obama may NOT RETURN IT. That’s the law…….That casino owner in Vegas is the reason Gingrich is still in the race—and most, not all, of his donations went to his Super Pac……..
    Limbaugh got slapped because he is rude, crude and abusive to women on the airwaves. Jon Stewart is a comedian and he is funny. Satire is considerably a higher form of entertainment than sex videos—requires working your brain instead of another part of the anatomy…..Bill Maher is also rude and crude and has actually come to Limbaugh’s defense, which is somewhat humorous…….But, once again, Maher’s donation, stated by him on his show, was going to a Super Pac…….Deal with the fact that he is just a bit smarter than Rush in where he puts his money……no one can touch that donation.

  14. old_benjamin says:

    And how does one use the “C” word and the “T” word artistically?

    It’s like using manure to paint a canvas. No matter how “artistic” it may be, it is offensive to the nose. Same with Bill Maher.

  15. old_benjamin says:

    BTW, Obama doesn’t have to return the money to show his disdain for Maher. He could just call Sarah and express his sympathy, as he did with the woman from Georgetown Law School. Like that will happen.

  16. LornaDoone says:

    “Bill Maher, who had publicly called Sarah Palin a word so obscene that I can’t even repeat it in this letter”

    “David Letterman said that Alex Rodriquez had “knocked-up” her 14-year-old daughter”

    OK, Lyle, let’s deal with these in reverse order.

    2. David Letterman didn’t mention Palin’s 14 year old. Palin did. Obviously the joke was directed at Bristol Palin who was paraded around the national stage in various signs of pregnancy, with “baby daddy” in toe. So when Letterman makes the joke, Palin jumped at the chance to say that the 14 year old was the one that was with her, and make a moment for herself. Maybe Momma Grizzly should spend more time managing the “recreational” (as conservatives are fond of saying nowadays) lives of her girls instead of jumping at the chance to make an issue with a comedian. There is an old saying – if you don’t want people to think you are stupid, don’t show them you are stupid.

    1. Bill Maher’s comment was made at a live comedy show, not on live media. Maher is the first one to say “I’m a potty-mouth”. The people that pay to see Maher don’t expect him to pussy foot around when talking about public officials and in fact expect profanity. Lenny Bruce is rolling over in his grave while you are carrying the water on this faux issue.

    With that thought in mind, tell me which is more outrageous – a comedian using a nasty word for a female, or the Vice President of the United States telling a Senator to “go F himself” in the Senate building.

    As usual, the conservatives are pulling the “outrage” card to deflect the issue – which is RUSH LIMBAUGH didn’t have sense enough to know when to shut his mouth

    BTW, who publicly defended Limbaugh’s right to freedom of speech?

    Bill Maher

  17. Yet another non-issue from Mr. Laws. Yawnnnnn!! Except he hoped he could make it into one.
    Lyle, you need to get a different life.

  18. LornaDoone says:

    “Do you feel that President Obama should associate himself with someone like Maher to get campaigh funds?”

    Associate himself? I don’t think the two have ever actually met. That point aside, the President availed himself for 45 minutes on FOX to Bill O’Reilly, the Phone Sexaholic that had to pay off a woman for his antics. A bit more than one passing word, Lyle.

    Maybe President Obama should have a litmus test for people who can talk to him. In that case the conservatives would say that he is aloof.

  19. sumyungboi says:

    letter writer: “When President Obama said Rush Limbaugh’s comments about Sandra Fluke who had testified before Congress ..”

    Fluke never testified before congress. She participated in an Obama campaign ad. As for the rest, the short answer is that while most conservatives are playing catch with their kids and grandkids, fixing up around the house, or otherwise having a life, progressives live for anything in the political realm that they can label a boogyman and feign outrage over if they feel it advances their marxist agenda. This is why guys like Maher and Letterman and others can say what they say without consequence, as conservatives just don’t deem them to be important enough to care about. Limbaugh, on the other hand, has progressives on the edge of their seat with every word, waiting for something to be outraged about. That’s my opinion, and my opinion is fact in almost every case.

  20. LornaDoone says:

    If you put a half dozen congressional representatives together and they hold a meeting and invite a person to speak….

    DO NOT say “spoke before Congress”. It will allow conservatives a new silly thing to argue about.

    “As for the rest, the short answer is that while most conservatives are playing catch with their kids and grandkids, fixing up around the house, or otherwise having a life, progressives live for anything in the political realm that they can label a boogyman and feign outrage over if they feel it advances their marxist agenda.”

    Hyperbole much?

    Shame on Maher for using one word about Sarah Palin. Shame on Letterman for making a joke about the most famous unwed mother in America.

    Defend Rush Limbaugh for 9 hours of attack at a woman that had the audacity to accept an invitation from a bunch of Congresspersons who felt that Darryl Issa missed the boat on the subject matter.

    By the way, Lyle – Darryl Issa has been a regular guest on Bill Maher’s HBO show. Should Issa resign in shame for “hanging out with potty mouths”?

  21. sumyungboi says:

    Like I said, feigned outrage. Every time I describe you people, you act exactly as I describe, and because you have such closed minds, you don’t even see it. We’ve all met the type, the person who never realizes that they’re the “odd” one. :)

  22. took14theteam says:

    So Larry, how was the recording session?

    You can hide, but you can’t run.

    Your style will forever haunt you. If you weren’t an arrogant obnoxious pompous A–, people might not call you out. You have tried, but you always fail…

    Crap. I told my self I was going to ignore you, but I just have to remind the viewers what they are dealing with.

  23. aislander says:

    Lefties love to have it both ways with Limbaugh (no Maher-like double entendre meant…).

    When he makes a point that damages the left, he is nothing more than an “entertainer” and “buffoon.”

    When he puts his foot in it (as someone who is on air fifteen hours a week is bound to), he is (according to xring and countless other lefties)”…an American radio talk show host, political commentator, and an opinion leader for American conservatives. He is particularly influential in matters affecting the Republican Party…”

    So…which is he, sinister ones: an entertainer like Bill Maher or “opinion leader?”

  24. aislander says:

    By the way, Maher’s “joke” was by no means isolated, and the “famous unwed mother” was not in New York with Sarah. Her much younger daughter was. Nice…

  25. I don’t know what rock you tidy righties are living under but these days most professional comedies reflect the times they live in and today’s culture is much more vulgar than when we were kids.

    Case in point the soon to be released movie “Bullied” which documents several cases of teen bulling has received a Movie Rating of R for language.

    Vikefan66 – Rush when beyond the pale and was not attempting to be funny. I would condemn anyone who spoke the way he did. He also lied, but that is nothing new with that gasbag.

  26. menopaws says:

    It cracks me up watching all these people on the right rushing to Limbaugh’s rescue……Why is it they are allowed to be ugly and when there is outrage, they play the victim card……..Or as my husband, the Marine says, the “whine’ card. He said if Limbaugh ever met up with any woman’s brother or father who he slimed on the air, the wimp would need new underwear. He’s a big man behind a microphone—just like a real schoolyard bully. and, those “brave”Republican men don’t seem to be able to stand up to him either!!!!!! It’s really funny the Republican definption of manhood seems to involve treating women badly and then whining about how “mean” everyone is when you get called out for it.

  27. LornaDoone says:

    “By the way, Maher’s “joke” was by no means isolated”

    Now THAT is a wrongwing way of saying basically nothing. Maher referred to Palin by that particular word. Once. In a live stand up routine. Aside from that, he has made fun of her stupidity. How can any comedian pass on that opportunity? The gift that keeps on giving.

    Letterman cleared the air by saying the joke was meant directed at Bristol, but don’t let that get in the way of a faux outrage issue by Palin and her minions.

    Actually it is the wrongwingers that keep changing their minds on whether Rush is a journalist or an entertainer. He becomes an entertainer everytime he gets in trouble. Who was he entertaining in the Dominican Repubic with a bottle of viagra? (viagra, unlike birth control IS used only when you plan on sex) How entertaining was his mock of Michael J. Fox? Remember when he used to be on the NFL broadcasts? Yeah, even the jocks couldn’t stand his racial slurs.

    I’d keep going but I just threw up in my mouth a little.

  28. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Nobody here rushed to his “rescue”. He is more then capable of defending himself. Now, BHO had to jump to Fluke’s rescue.

    Dems own the ‘victim card’. What world do you live in?

    You progressives will not admit that you are total hypocrites. The only defending going on here is for BM, whose overt sexism is excused by the left for $1mil.

  29. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Nice LD_nos, more excuses and two wrongs make a right mentality.

    Hypocrite. And you should watch out, there are numerous quotes in the archives showing your true feelings on women.

    Or were you acting as an ‘entertainer’, so they don’t count?

  30. aislander says:

    …and let us not forget Ed Schultz who used exactly the same word Rush used, but directed at Laura Ingraham, who, unlike Sandra Fluke, never asked anyone to pay to facilitate her ability to engage in intercourse…

  31. aislander says:

    Rush never made any “racial slurs” on Monday Night Football, and no one on our side refers to him as a “journalist.” He is a talk-radio host and a pundit…

  32. took14theteam says:

    I am kind of confused about the xring moniker (to coin a phrase of the TNT Darlin LPH)

    The comment at 7:07 PM 14 Mar 2012 was actually coherent. Most of the comments from xring are incoherent babling.

    So who really is xring?

    Enquiring minds want to know….

  33. Sumy – you are the odd one, and everybody but you knows it.

    CT7 – to bad Rush can’t defend himself against his sponsors – who are dropping his shows as fast as they can.

    Aislander,
    Schultz used the word once and was suspended from his show for a week.
    Rush continued his unfounded attacks for 15 hours over 3 days.

    And Fluke never asked for free birth control. That is just another conseracon sick minded talking point.

    Took14 nice left hand compliment. The truth often appears incoherent to GOP zombie base.

  34. concernedtacoma7 says:

    X- you are quite bitter. Do you expect any respect, from either side, when you act so petty and childish?

    You are wrong once again. Sponsors did not drop Rush. They stop running ads during his show on local stations. Did not cause him to lose a cent.

  35. LornaDoone says:

    “…and let us not forget Ed Schultz who used exactly the same word Rush used, but directed at Laura Ingraham, who, unlike Sandra Fluke, never asked anyone to pay to facilitate her ability to engage in intercourse”

    And let us not forget that one need not be a pundit to slime a woman with false accusations. aislander must be vying for Rush of Tacoma.

    Ms. Fluke spoke about the use of contraceptives for health purposes and didn’t ask anyone to “facilitate her ability to engage in intercourse”. Adults know this, especially those that read the text of her address to Congressional representatives.

    As to Ed Schultz, he referred to Ingraham as a “conservative slut”, which could mean that she panders to the conservative side for money. Regardless of meaning, Schultz apologized the next day and self-imposed a suspension from his TV show, as opposed to going on for three days, then making excuses that the opposition was out to get him and it was a consiracy.

    You have a long way to go, aislander, to reach Rushhood, but you have a nice start with your manipulation of the facts – beg pardon – with your lies about the issues.

    BTW, Ingraham publicly accepting Schultz apology, and then, used the Schultz issue to glorify Rush more recently.

  36. “while most conservatives are playing catch with their kids and grandkids, fixing up around the house, or otherwise having a life, progressives live for anything in the political realm that they can label a boogyman and feign outrage over if they feel it advances their marxist agenda.”

    When you know you can’t refute the point, make something up.

  37. Frankenchrist says:

    RepubliKKKans are such crybabies.

    BTW, Mittens loses in a November landslide.

  38. aislander says:

    xring: Rush is on the radio five hours a day???!!!

    And,have yuh SEEN Fluke’s testimony in front of the Kangaroo Kommittee? She definitely wants somebody (besides herself) to pay for the get-out-of-consequences card…

  39. “Every time I describe you people, you act exactly as I describe, and because you have such closed minds, you don’t even see it.”

    When you know you can’t refute the message, attack the messenger.

  40. “You progressives will not admit that you are total hypocrites.”

    When you can’t refute the message, attack the messenger.

  41. Frankenchrist says:

    Do RepubliKlans ever get tired of lying?

    It appears not.

  42. LornaDoone says:

    http://littlegreenfootballs.com/page/271051_Full_Transcript_of_Sandra_Fluk

    The text of Fluke’s testimony before MEMBERS of Congress.

    Of course, those that want to know the truth have already read it.

  43. “you are quite bitter… you act so petty and childish”

    When you know you can’t refute the message, attack the messenger.

  44. “the Kangaroo Kommittee”

    Typical slander from ai-Slander.

  45. LornaDoone says:

    Rush only ranted about Fluke for 3 hours a day, for 3 days.

    Then, opened Day 4 with bumper music from Phil Collins and Philip Bailey – the song? “Easy Lover”

    Opening line? “She’s an easy lover, she’ll get a hold on you, believe it”

    Very contrite with his apology.

    THEN AFTER all of that, he switched gears and accused Fluke of being part of a conspiracy for the White House.

    Yeah, and I’m the Queen of England.

  46. Frankenchrist says:

    My word, but the dittoheads are stupid.

  47. aislander says:

    “…Fluke’s testimony before MEMBERS of Congress.”

    Yeah, that’s what I said. They’re “members,” all right…

  48. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Ehill, waiting for you to condemn FC.

    Hypocrite.

  49. You can bet that any absurdity heard on Fox will be repeated verbatim on these threads, especially if it is an unwarranted attack on Obama.

  50. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Unwarranted?

    We all feel the pain of his admin, spreading the word and getting votes for the right is a civic duty.

  51. LornaDoone says:

    aislander – Yep, members of Congress. Something you’ll never achieve.

  52. concernedtacoma7 says:

    LD_nos, you play your keyboard for Pelosi or something? Please inform the board as to your congressional experience.

  53. alindasue says:

    LornaDoone said, “Of course, those that want to know the truth have already read it.”

    Actually, up to this point, I’d only seen snippets of her testimony that were quoted in news articles. Thank you for the link to the whole speech.

    As for Rush Limbaugh, I tried watching him a couple times several years ago. Both times after about five minutes or so, I got so sick of him going on about how great he was that I turned him off in disgust. I’ve been pretty much ignoring him ever since. I fail to see the appeal of his displays of conceit.

    As for Bill Maher, I don’t even know who he is outside the name. Is he a cable TV personality? (I don’t have cable TV.) Normally, I’d Google a name or look up the person on YouTube – but based on the descriptions of him here, I don’t find any desire to do so.

    I think the main point is that these people are nothing but “entertainers” (if you can call that entertainment) who make their money off of the publicity their shock talk brings them. Personally, the most disturbing thing I find about these freak show acts is the high number of people who actually tune in regularly to watch this rubbish.

  54. alindasue says:

    If people didn’t tune in to watch them, none of the Limbaughs or Mahers out there would have the massive amounts of money to donate to any candidate or candidate’s super PAC.

    Something to think about when you turn your TV on next time…

  55. LornaDoone says:

    Bill Maher is the host of an HBO (pay tv) weekly panel – usually two liberals and a conservative, but also reversed – discussing current events and politics. It is live and the language is adult oriented.

    Since I’m not offended by profanity, I like Maher’s program because it’s honest and not contrived in the least. The conservatives are given plenty of opportunity to make their cases, although many, Dana Loesch for instance, make fools of themselves with childish prattle.

    Maher also does a stand up comedy routine, live and has been broadcast on HBO, where adults pay sustantially for the privilege of hearing his brand of humor. No one is forcing anyone to go.

    As to Limbaugh, whether you like it or not, there are parts of this state where, when traveling you get him on up to four and five stations simultaneously, in areas where broadcast is limited. His company buys airtime on small struggling stations. At least up until last week. He flopped on TV

  56. “Limbaugh does it for shock value.”

    Yes he does, thats because he is a fat, drug addicted media whore.

  57. So classy to complain about Maher’s crudeness by referring to him by initials commonly utilized to refer to bowel movements…..

    Maher lost his job after his 9/11 comment. According to velmak, “It seems Maher has been disinvited from an upcoming Democrat confab” Yet some continue to insist that the Dems have embraced him.

    This line of “reasoning” is just a bunch of b.m.

    And yes Lyle, by pointing to Maher and Letterman, you are trying to diminish the outrage expressed towards Limbaugh. Don’t by like Rush and his fake apology, own what you attempted to do.

  58. Anyone who maintains that Letterman’s joke about someone getting “knocked up” was aimed at a 14 year old rather than a famous unwed mother is either completely disingenuous or has no sense of how punchlines for jokes work.

    So which is it? Intentionally obtuse or obtusely humorless?

  59. And let’s not forget when Limbaugh said that the White House had a new dog and then held up a picture of a 14 year old Chelsea…..wotta guy! Such class!

  60. LornaDoone says:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOnkv76rNL4

    A lesson in words from Lenny Bruce (Dustin Hoffman)

    Let’s separate the men from Rush Limbaugh.

    Maher used the “c” word. Once. No denying it. How many times have I seen a similar euphamism used on these threads starting with the letter “p” (an not referring to a feline domesticus)? The word is usually invoked when a liberal isn’t butch enough in his thoughts on the Middle East, Muslims or something of the sort. No excuse for Maher, but a few people had better clean up their own back yard.

    What did Limbaugh do? He went on a three show rant directed at a woman who had the audacity to speak to a congressional panel about women’s health care. He might have gotten by with one utterance of “slut”, but that wasn’t Rush enough for Rush. He followed with “prostitute” and the infamous solicitation of videos of her sex act for repayment of alleged free contraceptives (which she never requested). After a less than sincere “apology” Limbaugh opens a show with a song to parody the situation a little more. Then, after all of this hullabaloo, he actually starts playing the victim, claiming that Fluke was part of a conspiracy to get him, as if she made him make a fool of himself (classic behavior of an addict, by the way).

    As I’ve mentioned before, adults can discern the difference.

  61. LornaDoone says:

    beerBoy, the outrage of the Palin issue was made possible by none other than mommy dearest who also had no problem parading her unwed mother/daughter on the national stage. Sarah Palin demonstrated the classic example of a bedroom community (pardon the pun) mother who is more focused on herself than her children. “No, thanks” should have been said to the RNC, as well as the “Bridge to Nowhere”, to which she said “no” after it no longer served her.

    See “Game Change” if you have the opportunity.

  62. LornaDoone says:

    Oh and speaking of the infamous “c-word”, I’m betting that Lyle and others voted for John McCain, who used said word directed at his wife for noting that he was “getting thin on top”

    “At least I don’t put on makeup like a trollup, you ______”.

    Granted, they didn’t make million dollar PAC donations….

  63. sumyungboi says:

    lorna: “.. the Palin issue was made possible by none other than mommy dearest who also had no problem parading her unwed mother/daughter on the national stage.”

    Yup, she deserves it, All conservative women do. They’re all asking for it, all the time.

    You people disgust me. No one (or very few) have defended Limbaugh for what he said, but when dishonesty of leftist “outrage” is pointed out, your response is, well, Palin deserved it. That is so pathetically low.

  64. LornaDoone says:

    “Palin deserved it”.

    You know, I’ve re-read my comments and I can’t find those words.

    What disgusts me is when a conservative lies about what I said to create a point of argument.

    Here is what I will say. Sarah Palin should not have accepted the VP nomination. Apparently she was having challenges not only with her role as a mother, but with her execution of her local job as Governor of Alaska.

    Grown up people know that others will talk about the public image you project. If I decide to go strolling the streets of Tacoma with a sandwich board saying “the sky is falling”, I’m going to be fooling myself to think I won’t be fodder for some local comedians, or worse yet, commenters on the TNT blogs.

    We know that conservative comedians like Dennis Miller have never said rude things about public officials or their families, right? (should I google, or can you help yourself?)

    Try to avoid your strawman techniques when responding to my comments. I don’t care for the taste of your words in my mouth.

  65. LornaDoone says:

    Oh and to further elaborate on Palin…

    Why did she drag her 14 year old into her spitting match with Letterman? Everyone knew that his joke was directed at Bristol and A-Rod for being “sexually overactive”

    “These are not jokes made about her 14-year-old daughter. I would never, never make jokes about raping or having sex of any description with a 14-year-old girl,” he said. Letterman insisted the jokes were intended to be about Bristol, who is 18-years-old. “Am I guilty of poor taste? Yes. Did I suggest that it was OK for her 14-year-old daughter to be having promiscuous sex? No.”

    He concluded by inviting Palin to come be a guest on his show.

    Sarah Palin responded Thursday morning to Dave’s invitation to appear on his show in a statement to Foxnews.com: “”The Palins have no intention of providing a rating’s boost for David Letterman by appearing on his show,” the statement read. “Plus, it would be wise to keep Willow away from David Letterman.”

    Always the promoter, Palin didn’t miss an opportunity to use her daughter’s image again…..

    Much like Rush, with Palin, once is never enough.

  66. Bill Maher Defends Limbaugh’s Free Speech Rights, Responds To ‘False Equivalency’ From Right
    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/bill-maher-defends-limbaughs-free-speech-rights-responds-to-false-equivalency-from-right/

  67. No one (or very few) have defended Limbaugh for what he said

    Wrong again
    http://www.examiner.com/liberal-in-baltimore/dittoheads-try-to-defend-the-indefensible-as-more-limbaugh-sponsors-bolt

    http://mediamatters.org/blog/201203020007

    Watch this video of the 53 vile smears by Limbaugh to get some sense of just how extreme his “joke” was.
    http://youtu.be/q1oOjKQflN0

    And then consider how inadequate this response from Mitt was:
    “I’ll just say this, which is, it’s not the language I would have used”

  68. “Stand-up comedian”? If anyone finds Maher’s, Letterman’s, Stewart’s and Colbert’s foul mouths funny, you need to seek help. These punks are not comedians. When I hear the word ‘comedian”, I think of Bob Hope, Jack Benny, Red Skelton and other’s like them who never crawled in the gutter like these low class slime balls. Notice that they are all lefties. Sick, depraved individuals who entertain the lowest elements of our society. I would no sooner have them on my television than I would to invite a scumbag into my home.

  69. LornaDoone says:

    frosty – Bob Hope, Jack Benny and Red Skelton are dead.

    We know you didn’t vote for John McCain, right? Hated Cheney for his “f-bomb” in The Senate? Despised Bush for flipping the bird?

    As to “all lefties”, well, it’s your list. You left off Dennis Miller, among others that care conservative potty mouths.

    I note you left Bill Cosby off your list. Bill got more laughs with facial features than any of your choices did with words.

    Hope, Benny and Skelton wouldn’t survive in today’s market. On the other side, they would have been run out of town had they tried their brands of humor in the Victorian age.

    Welcome to 2012.

  70. LornaDoone says:

    By the way, frosty, look up the origin of “scumbag” and you’ll find that the traditional usage of the word is rather disgusting to use in a family news outlet.

    Maybe you shouldn’t be allowed in….

  71. A couple of things – foul mouthed comedians are not a recent phenomenon. Way back when, Bill Cosby gave an interview where he noted that he chose not to do “blue material” unlike other comedians.

    Watching the 7 minutes of Limbaugh puerile, adolescent slurs I realized too things:

    1) I now understand why so many stupid, unfunny “comedies” are made and make huge profits in Hollywood.

    2) I now understand how it is that people who think that Rush is a good comedian actually think that Letterman intended his joke to be about Willow

  72. LornaDoone says:

    Drew Carey, founder of the now defunct Conservative Comedians Association (lack of members):

    In 1997, Carey published his autobiography, Dirty Jokes and Beer: ….The book discusses his college fraternity years while attending Kent State University, and his professional career up to that time. The book featured large amounts of profanity and, as the title suggests, includes multiple dirty jokes (there is one at the start of each chapter) and references to beer.

    Just can’t win, huh?

  73. Watch the movie “The Aristocrats” to get some understanding that many, many, many comedians (including those whose public persona is G rated) have potty mouths.

  74. two things – not too things.

  75. LornaDoone says:

    Eddie Murphy’s response in comedy to Bill Cosby’s chiding about profanity.

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0092948/quotes

  76. I’ve spoken to not one conservative who is defending Limbaugh. As for Maher, whichever one of you claimed he was an artist is in serious jeopardy regarding your discernment. Artist? He certainly does not belong in the same company as Stewart, with whom I often disagree, yet respect very much. Wit is one thing, cheap vulgarity is quite another.

    As for the the president’s response, or lack thereof, are you really surprised? His own people are infamous for their foul mouths. Of course he should have admonished Maher, if for no other reason than to reinforce the comments he made in Arizona, that is if he really wanted us all to be more civil. I have my doubts about his sincerity.

  77. sumyungboi says:

    Yes, yes, we get it. Limbaugh deserves to die, Palin and her kid deserved what they got, and since Maher and Letterman’s jokes didn’t take nearly as long as Limbaugh’s segment, it shouldn’t matter anyway.

    Seriously, what does that say about you?

  78. LornaDoone says:

    “Limbaugh deserves to die, Palin and her kid deserved what they got”

    Seriously, what does that say about you?

    It says you make up things that people didn’t say to create an argument.

    “Of course he should have admonished Maher”

    Has the President of the United States become the police of stand up comedians? I’d prefer that he work on things that have more to do with government, like having civil dialog with women that address members of congress.

    If you find a three day rant on AM radio equal to one word of one sentence in a stand up routine, the president will really never satisfy you anyway. I doubt you’d be changing your vote if he called Maher today.

    “cheap vulgarity is quite another”

    Says a fan of Dennis Miller

  79. CT7,
    Rush’s radio and tv shows are carried by local stations.

    His shows come with pre-programmed breaks for local advertisements.

    Local stations depend on advertisement paid for by local sponsors.

    When local sponsors won’t allow their ads to run a particular show stations are reluctant to run that show.

    Fewer stations mean fewer $ for Rush.

  80. aislander says:

    sozo: You’re quite right: this is about Obama’s hypocrisy rather than the vulgarity of either Maher or Limbaugh viewed in isolation.

  81. aislander says:

    xring writes: “Fewer stations mean fewer $ for Rush.”

    So…which stations have dropped the show beyond the enormous Pittsfield, Massachusetts and Hilo, Hawaii markets?

    With 650 stations carrying the program, it seems reasonable that there would be some normal flux in those airing the show. I was an English major, but my feeble math skills put that at less than one third of one percent of the stations and waaay less in terms of lost audience.

  82. LornaDoone says:

    “So…which stations have dropped the show beyond the enormous Pittsfield, Massachusetts and Hilo, Hawaii markets?”

    Those who know radio, know that a broadcast range exceeds the city limits. Hilo mostlikely serves all of Hawaii. Pittsfield probably handles all of Western MA and would exceed the western state line, unless of course it is a low watt podunk station but according to the Dittoheads, Rush would never been on such a station (heavy sarcasm)

  83. LornaDoone says:

    “You’re quite right: this is about Obama’s hypocrisy rather than the vulgarity of either Maher or Limbaugh viewed in isolation.”

    No, it is about “if Obama walked on water, you’d complain he couldn’t swim”.

    How stupid do you really think the rest of the audience is, aislander? Do you think people buy into your manure, other than a small minority of people who hate Obama for being Obama?

    Sheeeeeeeeesh.

  84. aislander says:

    I don’t “hate Obama”: I hate what he is doing to the country.

    The reach of radio stations is why one uses the word “market” when describing their audiences–which I did.

    Sheesh, indeed.

  85. Redd Foxx was doing blue material in the 40s
    http://youtu.be/ubofFVMM54o

  86. aislander says:

    How much did Redd contribute to the Truman campaign?

  87. There weren’t Super PACs back then….

  88. LornaDoone says:

    What Obama is “doing to the country”

    Took over in 2009, market was at 7800. Now over 13,000. Terrible.

    Immediately passed legislation attempting to protect women in the workplace. We can’t have that.

    Got legislation passed to chip away at health care reform so that we can be like the rest of the “advanced” countries in the world. Jesus would be proud.

    Worked with military and GOT Bin Laden (who was “not thought about” by the previous guys). How dare he?

    If that was his only four accomplishments, considering being handed Hell in a Handbasket, I’d say he’s pretty damned successful.

    Wanna bet he gets re-elected?

  89. LornaDoone says:

    The reach of radio stations is why one uses the word “market” when describing their audiences–which I did.

    So the why mention the cities by name? Why not say Rush was dumped off the Western Massachusetts and Hawaii markets?

    Like I said, not as stupid as you’d like to think. You didn’t invent rhetoric.

  90. LornaDoone says:

    MA’s western neighbor?

    NEW YORK. Albany. State capital.

  91. sumyungboi says:

    That’s just precious. You’re right on top of how Limbaugh is doing with his sponsors.

    lorna: “Has the President of the United States become the police of stand up comedians?”

    He made the decision to insert himself. He made the decision to admonish the country about the tone of the rhetoric. No one is defending Limbaugh’s comments, what people are doing is pointing out the double standard and feigned outrage on the left, and it is striking.

    And you’re just too awesome, lorna, every time I describe the left, you say “no”, and then in practically the next sentence, you’ll react to something in the same double standard, feigned outrage, excuse making mode that I’d described, it’s too fun!

  92. “In the end of the day, the left shows money is more important than principles.”

    Hypocrisy defined.

  93. “I’ve spoken to not one conservative who is defending Limbaugh.”

    No but I will bet that you’ve heard plenty of them, I know I have.

  94. sumyungboi says:

    klu, you’re right, all of us are defending Limbaugh, we’re all just passing it off as a joke, and well, that Fluke chick deserved it. And I remember when all progressives and communists (as thought there’s a difference) wanted to kill GWB, too.

    http://www.ringospictures.com/index.php?page=20090816

    For every crazy you can find, I can find several. :)

  95. hat Fluke chick deserved it

    And, I’m guessing you are maintaining that there is no war on women’s rights too….

  96. sumyungboi says:

    No, no, beerboy, of course there’s a war on women’s rights. Every time I’m in Walgreens, I’m just hanging out by the pharmacy window, daring any godless bint to just _try_ and buy contraceptives while _I’m_ standing there. Ain’t gonna happen! :)

    You kids crack me up!

  97. SandHills says:

    Lyle, a couple of obvious facts escaped your reasoning before you sent this letter in.

    First and foremost is that there is a very big difference in belittling a public figure (i.e. Palin) who put themselves out there in the public eye to promote their ambitions (and ridicule of political aspirants has always been defined as free speech) and belittling a private citizen expressing their opinion about their own healthcare (which could be defined as slander).

    Secondly, comparing an oxycotin addicted, political self-righteous windbag (Limbaugh), to a professional comedian (Maher or Letterman) is grabbing at straws by conservatives who truly believe every word Limbaugh utters as gospel.

    Simply state that civil discourse in our modern society has degenerated to the gutter would be stating an unimpeachable fact – whether from the likes of Limbaugh or Maher.

    To make it an argument about Obama only brings me back to the glaring factual errors supporting your argument.

  98. “Hypocrite”

    ahhh, morename-calling from ct7.What a surprise.

  99. “progressives and communists (as thought there’s a difference)”

    The difference is the same as between you and the Hitler Youth. Is that really the way you wanna go?

  100. LornaDoone says:

    “He made the decision to insert himself. He made the decision to admonish the country about the tone of the rhetoric.”

    Still can’t see the difference between a civilian being attacked for three days for addressing congressional reps and a stand up comedian calling a public official a name?

    As I said, if President Obama called Maher today, you wouldn’t be happy.

  101. LornaDoone says:

    I’m just glad to see that boi has moved past pittying Sarah Palin for using her child as fodder for publicity in her fight with Letterman.

    Now if we could just arrange that colonoscopy so that he could find the war on women’s health care that’s not in the line at Walgreens.

  102. I am just tired of Ms. Fluke being victimized by the Limbaugh crowd. It’s a conspiracy, she’s a plant by the Democrats, she is a slut—I’ve heard it all ad nauseum. It boils down to one simple fact—Mr. Limbaugh decided to air his own sexual proclivities on the air. He wants to watch sex videos and he wants to humilate women. Spin away—what he said was disgusting and it doesn’t matter what anyone else said………Bill Maher, Letterman—-they are NOT the issue. Mr. Limbaugh is responsible for his own words………..Quit deflecting his responsibility for those words onto other people. The outrage is pure and simple—this man has a significant problem with women. He trashed Chelsea Clinton, when she was barely a teenager, Michelle Obama is always on his list. This time though, he went to a dark, very disturbing place. People who refuse to see that have bigger issues than defending this pervert…….He CROSSED the invisible line between decency and sexual dysfunction. Women see that….and frankly, so do most of the men I know. This guy is really very sick and scary. Quit enabling his illness.

  103. Aislander – let’s wait and see if Rush (unlike Beck) is able to win back his old sponsor or can find new ones. Rush has enjoyed the top spot for years, which means time on his shows cost (profit for the local stations who have taken a wait and see attitude).

    Kluwer – ‘money over principles’ is the GOP motto.

    Sumy and Klumer – how often do you allow you wives to leave the kitchen and to wear shoes?

  104. You are right, Limbaugh is responsibile for his own words, and I’m inclined to agree with you that he’s revealing some disturbing dysfunction here. I’ve always thought him bombastic and crude, though I think his assessment about a lot of political stuff is accurate. But he made this bed and he should have to own it.

    That said, Bill Maher is equally disgusting, bombastic and arrogant and I would guess that he, too, has disturbing dysfunction when it comes to women. Let them each own their own conduct.

    Now, back to aislander’s comment with which I agree. I am disturbed by Obama’s hypocritical posture. I do not hate him. I do not trust him, though, and I do not like his euro-aspirations for our country. I want him out. The sooner the better.

  105. concernedtacoma7 says:

    LD_nos, you have a geography problem.

    http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=map+of+hawaii&id=69EB095C6E4FE1F4E0E51E1C0658B60612E68DD8&FORM=IQFRBA

    No, a Hilo station does not reach the whole state, or even the whole island.

    And Hawaii is the most left leaning state in the nation. Of course they would want to silence another’s opinion.

    Fluke is a self-described activist. She opened herself up for attacks, and honestly this has been a boon to her career. She should thank Rush when she gets back for jet setting around Europe. Some 99%er

  106. Sonofwashington says:

    Amazing, that out of all the comments from our right leaning friends, almost no condemnation of Mr. Limbaugh for his inexcusable statements.

    Just the old refrain, “someone else did something similar some other time” so that excuses the whole thing. Or, “Ms. Fluke had it coming because she’s an activist.” When did activist become a dirty word? Jefferson, Adams, Revere, Washington, and all the signatories of the Constitution were activists, as are many, contemporary persons from both the left (Al Sharpton, Robert F. Kennedy Jr.),and the right (Karl Rove, Grover Norquist, et al).

    We can criticize their policies, but there is nothing inherently wrong with being an “activist”. All political and social change arise from activism by concerned people.

    Sozo at least, was firmly critical of Mr. Limbaugh, but then lets him off the hook by holding him solely accountable. I fully agree that accountability should apply to individual comedians and pundits, but Mr. Limbaugh is in a league of his own. He is the acknowledged, if not self-anointed, spokesman for conservative Republicanism. Republican leaders who have had the audacity to speak against “the approved” Limbaugh stance in the past have had to come to him on bended knee to seek forgiveness from His Grace for their heresy. Even Mary Matalin gave him great credit for his strong influence in moving the conservative/Republican cause forward over the last two elections.

    So long as Republicans do not speak out against Limbaugh, his words become theirs and they are laid bare to criticism for the same misogyny and demagoguery of minorities that Limbaugh has made himself infamous for. He therefore becomes their problem and they can’t shake it with the usual finger-pointing game.

  107. LornaDoone says:

    eyenoyaharebutwhademeye?

    I can’t wait for “I’m rubber and YOUR glue”

  108. “Sozo at least, was firmly critical of Mr. Limbaugh”

    Not really no, soso did say the drug addict was rude and crude and blah blah blah, but then without skipping a beat said that, “I think his assessment about a lot of political stuff is accurate.”

    So yes soso, did in fact defend the fat drug addict for his words and actions.
    At the same time soso condemns not only Bill Maher, a comic and part of his comic routine but the President as well!

    Soso, defends the fat drug addict only lightly so he can lead in to a typical rightwing attack on the President.

  109. aislander says:

    Fluke attempted to insert herself in a venue in which she had no particular expertise (a hearing on church-state matters) to testify on a topic that did not pertain. Her petition to testify was correctly rejected.

    Pelosi and the House Dems then convened the Kangaroo Kommittee to allow her to grandstand her (their and Obama’s) issue.

    This all made her a figure in the political arena. Slings and arrows are normal precipitation for that climate. As reprehensible as Limbaugh’s choice of words was, Fluke is not an eighteen-year-old undergrad, but a thirty-one-year-old woman and law student, and Rush did not pluck her our of anonymity; rather she made herself a public person.

    I don’t believe that her resemblance to Central Casting’s vision of Joan of Arc is at all accidental, though…

  110. As reprehensible as Limbaugh’s choice of words was,

    His 3 day onslaught was reprehensible not just because it was a poor choice of words.

  111. The big viagra popping dope fiend is on publicly owned airwaves. We all own them. They are not his. Maher is on a CABLE show. There is a substantial distinction. You have to actually request the channel to get it and pay a ton of money. Seems pretty simple. Republicans are always attempting to find some moral equivalence for their sick agendas. Just take responsibility for being the fascists that you are! Always obsessed with what women who do not concern them are doing with their genitals and their wombs. Talk about HUGE government…Limbaugh is trying to shock, and it worked. He is a performer being the degenerate that he has demonstrated he is in his private life. I have only been married the one time…how many is that stand up moral guy on? What…four? And NO KIDS! Hmmm. Something is fishy…or that could be the sour milk smell under Rush’s rolls.

  112. @ sumy 6:19 PM

    So….could you explain how “That Fluke chick deserved it” should be seen as an example of a rightist’s “condemnation of Mr. Limbaugh for his inexcusable statements”?

  113. Seems the right has no morals or standards at all, but they demand everyone else has them and they and only they get to set them!

  114. You reveal something embarrassing about yourself kluwer, something unflattering, by your assessment of my comments. You see, for the intelligent, thinking person, one can disapprove of someone’s style and tone without finding fault with the content of what he says. Thus I can, and do, find Limbaugh bombastic and absurd much of the time while agreeing with him on certain things. As for his recent conduct, I’d say it was inexcusable.

    In the case of Bill Maher, I’m inclined to dismiss the whole, ugly package…style, tone, AND content of his message.

    And if the blind and deaf among us here refuse to see the duplicity of our president, his common practice of speaking out of both sides of his mouth at the same time, then so be it. (Going back to the 08 campaign when he spoke in affectionate terms about his pastor and subsequently threw the old fella under the bus.) Perhaps their affliction is not of their own making. But blind and deaf are still blind and deaf.

  115. “As for his recent conduct, I’d say it was inexcusable.”

    But you didn’t, until someone called you on it. And even then you just barely do it, only enough to somehow attack me for calling you on it.
    I think the real blind and deaf among us is your target audience and you’ve failed in an epic way.
    Now tI find that to be what is “embarrassing an unflattering” that you revealed about yourself.

    As to your continued false and even more revealing attack on the President, what I find revealing about that can’t be printed in a family newspaper.

  116. LornaDoone says:

    “(Going back to the 08 campaign when he spoke in affectionate terms about his pastor and subsequently threw the old fella under the bus.)”

    A fabulous example of the Right Wing’s faux outrage tactics. Thanks for the reminder, sozo.

    Reverend Wright was misquoted and just plain lied about over and over and over. Even his “signature” “g-d America” was taken so far out of context it became a laughing matter everytime a conservative bleeted it again.

    The fact is that Wright was a military veteran that had served a president’s medical needs and to hear the conservatives work him up (all for the smearing of Obama) you’d think that he was second in command to Mao Tse Tung, a virtual Chavez in waiting.

    Now, please, remind me about all this malarky about First Amendment and the Catholic Church, who seems to have re-written the text.

    BTW, the CONS are up to their old tricks. Take an old video of a law student hugging a professor and said prof becomes a Saul Alinsky in black face. They’ll denigrate the legacy of a dead man, if it means going after Obama.

  117. “As for [Limbo's] recent conduct, I’d say it was inexcusable.”

    Was this an example of disapproving “of someone’s style and tone without finding fault with the content of what he says”?

  118. Sounds like I hit the nail on the head and soso just isn’t man enough to admit it so he resorts to the personal attack.
    Typical.

  119. The only time I ever pay attention to Limbaugh, Maher, Savage, Letterman, et al, is when someone writes about something these professional talkers said.

    And, the irony is that the attempts by loyal listeners to counter-accuse/defend something vile from any of their mouths brings more attention to the original statement.

  120. I’m pretty much in the same place with the names you listed, bBoy, though as I tried to explain to kluless, there are times that despite their personalities, I accept the reasoning of Limbaugh on some issues. Wouldn’t invite any of them to dinner, AND I think they all get too much attention as a rule. My comments here have been about the hypocrisy of the left when it comes to vulgarity and arrogance from various pundits and so-called comics.

    Perhaps some of you caught the vulgarity of Ceelo Green (don’t actually know how to spell Ceelo) AT a Dem fundraiser the other night?
    Bleeped at least three times for dropping bombs, and visually censored for flipping the bird.

    One expects, and in my opinion, has a right to expect decorum from our president and his cohorts, regardless of their personal feelings. I miss Laura Bush.

    They can LOL all they want in the privacy of their quarters, that’s personal. But this was public. I am waiting to hear SOMEONE admonish this entertainer for his lack of good taste, but I won’t hold my breath lest I should die.

  121. “One expects, and in my opinion, has a right to expect decorum from our president and his cohorts”

    Did you have a problem when VP Cheney told a Congressperson, in the halls of Congress, to “go f*** yourself”?

    Did you have a problem when a GOP Congressperson yelled “you lie” at the President during a speech in the halls of Congress?

    “I am waiting to hear SOMEONE admonish this entertainer for his lack of good taste”

    Wait no longer. What Maher said was in bad taste. Was it the equivalent of Limbo’s attack? It will be, just as soon as Maher is powerful enough to force the chairperson of the DNC to apologize to him.

  122. Yes, I was appalled by Cheney’s remark as a matter of fact, and likewise disgusted by what McCain reportedly called his wife. The whole culture is circling the drain in my opinion, but right now, at this moment in time, the president and his wife are at the head of the table, and they need to lead the charge at turning this ship around.

    Let me know if anyone from his team takes Ceelo to task for his crude conduct.

  123. “right now, at this moment in time, the president and his wife are at the head of the table, and they need to lead the charge at turning this ship around.”

    I don’t recall either the President or Mrs. Obama using foul language. Nor, on the other hand, do I recall Mr. Bush apologizing for his own Vice President’s language and behavior.

    Oh, and since you asked about Ceelo Green’s behavior: someone in the crowd appeared to tell Green that, in fact, foul language is generally not welcome when the President of the United States is in the room. He then continued by singing the tamer “Forget You” lyrics while laughing, apparently realizing his mistake.” http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/17/grammy-winner-to-obama-donors-fck-you-video/

    So where are the apologies from the GOP presidential candidates for the language and behavior of one of their most powerful spokesmen?

  124. aislander says:

    sozo: You must remember the fifth cut on side one of Harry Nilsson’s Son of Schmillson LP. It even received uncensored FM airplay in the ’70s.

    I was surprised at all of the uproar over Ceelo’s song, given the much earlier You’re Breakin’ My Heart

    As for Cheney’s remark, it was off the Senate floor and was directed at Patrick Leahy for heaven’s sake! Cheney could easily prove grave provocation, beginning with Leahy’s leaking of national secrets and sealing the prosecution with Leahy’s continued existence (kidding)…

    I somehow didn’t hear about McCain’s word to his wife…

  125. It isn’t words, it is the intent of the words.

    When we give certain words taboo/verbotten status we give them magical power and reduce our language to the level of superstitious belief in the casting of spells.

    The edited together version of Limbaugh (which, of course heightened the effect) disgusted me – not for the use of the word “slut” or “prostitute” but for the puerility and venality of it – the intent.

    I didn’t see Maher’s joke – apparently it was a regular one in his stand-up routine. Letterman’s joke was “risque” – it got a laugh because it was “naughty” – not his best material but I didn’t believe that it’s intent was to be vicious.

  126. sozo says,
    “though as I tried to explain to kluless,”

    This was after he called me a “child”
    You have to love the hypocrisy of the right don’t you?

  127. “I accept the reasoning of Limbaugh on some issues.”

    Of course you do and you only condemn his words when nearly forced to.

  128. “My comments here have been about the hypocrisy of the left when it comes to vulgarity and arrogance from various pundits and so-called comics.”

    But you ignore your own hypocrisy and that of the right wing.
    Can you explain that?

  129. Hypocrites abound and are of no particular party affiliation. I have not been hypocritical. I’ve been candid. You, IMO, Kluwer are in a fighting posture and hear everything through a filter of bias and anger. I have no desire to engage with someone who assumes such a posture.

  130. “I have not been hypocritical.”

    If you believe that soso then you clearly do not know the meaning of the
    word.

    “You, IMO, Kluwer are in a fighting posture and hear everything through a filter of bias and anger.”

    Nothing could be further from the truth, I unlike some, do not filter anything which is why I can hear your clear hypocrisy and lies while you can’t. (or at least you won’t admit to them because that is the hard part)
    I fear nothing, least of all you and your weak willed words.

    “I have no desire to engage with someone who assumes such a posture.”

    I’ll bet you don’t, most conservatives run from the truth because it makes them think, it makes them aware of their own bias and the fact that do in fact fall for lies and propaganda. Cons don’t like to be taken outside their bubble and they choose more often then not to run from anything or anyone that may shatter the little cocoon they build around themselves.
    Enjoy your little world soso.

  131. “As for Cheney’s remark, it was off the Senate floor and was directed at Patrick Leahy for heaven’s sake! Cheney could easily prove grave provocation

    So if someone was to tell you in here to do to yourself what Cheney said, it would ALSO be off the Senate floor, and given the number of insults you’ve hurled, people could “easily prove grave provocation”.

    Pardon me, but your usual double standard is showing. Time to get out your thesaurus again.

  132. Cheney could easily prove grave provocation

    “Tough guy” Cheney is afraid to go into Canada…..
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2114234/Dick-Cheney-cancels-trip-Canada-security-concerns-following-contentious-trip-year.html

  133. Hypocrisy is when you say one thing and do another. There is nothing hypocritical in my referring to you as a klueless child, kluwer, especially given the obvious measure of accuracy in my remark. Further, there is nothing vulgar or crude in my assessment, though it is mean-spirited for which I feel some shame. I am not proud of myself when I engage in this sort of nonsense, so let me be the first to officially end this dialogue.

  134. I see that the liberal censors are busy deleting comments from those of us they deem too be a threat to there comfort zone. That’s alright, you can delete my words from this rag but you can’t change my opinion and the opinion of the majority of Americans. Go for it you bunch of gutter rats.

  135. Speaking of comedians, the best one I’ve found on t.v. lately is on MSNBC. He doesn’t know he’s funny, he actually thinks he’s brilliant. It goes something like this, “uh uh uh uh uh, dem repuplikans ain’t got no smarts, dey alla time lyin and cheatin and dey all hates uh uh uh uh wimen, dat’s waz rong wid dos peoples, but dats alright, we gotem’ did time”. Can anyone guess who it is?

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