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BIRTH CONTROL: Liberals’ hypocrisy is showing

Letter by George Terhaar, Enumclaw on March 7, 2012 at 5:04 pm with 38 Comments »
March 7, 2012 5:04 pm

The liberal Democrats/columnists/media rallied to the defense of the Georgetown University law student wanting to have her birth control financed. Their hypocrisy is blatant. They demand the government stay out of their bedrooms and wombs while at the same time demanding the government/insurance companies pay for their birth control and abortions.

You can’t have it both ways – unless you’re a liberal.

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  1. Speaking of hypocrisy, how does one judge the Republicans, who out of one side of their mouth claim to be for smaller, less-intrusive government while simultaneously proclaiming out of the other sides of their mouths that the government should care what goes on in peoples’ bedrooms across the country.

  2. Where’s the hypocrisy in a policy that the employee pays for, a doctor prescribes and the Rx dispenses? Isn’t that an infringement on confidentiality between doctor and patient?

  3. sandblower says:

    Nice try at redefining hypocrisy George. You conflate government interference with government assistance. Big difference, but we should not expect anything enlightened from the extreme right’s commentators.

  4. he’s the same guy holding the “keep your government hands off medicare” sign.

    also, funny how he thinks that insurance companies pay for our health care; while in reality we pay the insurance company for our healthcare. are insurance companies non-profit all of a sudden?

    this all disregards the foremost subject of a total misunderstanding of basic reproductive function (person-hood bills), and of women’s biological workings in general with the propaganda of the blatantly ignorant assertion that a birth control pill = a deviant sexual act.

    oh and the fact that federal laws were specifically put in place to prevent government funds from being spent on abortion.

    all of this adds up to another misinformed fox “news” viewer who spouts off with ignorant drivel ad nauseum.

    i just am curious as to why they are not attacking vasectomy? is vasectomy not PERMANENT birth control?

    oh that’s right; the conservatives have a war on women, not men.

  5. ehill, you lost me. How is it that Republicans are advocating the government get involved in what you do in your bedroom?

  6. “How is it that Republicans are advocating the government get involved in what you do in your bedroom?”

    They want to make birth control harder to get and gay marriage impossible to get.

  7. George,
    The crux of the question is the blatant stupidity of the conservacons who keep claiming that women want free birth control and abortions.

    As Jeliee points out, individuals pay for the own health care plans.

    The new rules require that those plans that offer drug coverage must include birth control pills in the covered drugs and that the pills have no charges other than what is charged for the other drugs.

    Abortions were not and are not part of the plan. That is just fodder for the conservacon zombie base.

  8. The Republicans do have some crazy views about sex. I am surprised no one has yet mentioned the recent law passed in Virginia that was originally intended to require women undergo transvaginal ultrasound examinations before they would be allowed to have a legal abortion.

    Fortunately for Virginia’s women, the Republican Governor was ultimately convinced (or coerced) to take out the absolute requirement for a transvaginal ultrasound, allowing women to reject it in favor of a non-invasive ultrasound procedure. I guess you could call the The McDonnell Compromise.

    It looks like the Limbaugh uproar completely drew away all the attention from Virginia so their Republican governor was able to sign that bill into law.

    ehill observed that out of one side of their mouthes the Republicans claim to want a smaller. less intrusive government. How “less intrusive” can government get when it attempts to invasively probe a woman’s vagina before it will allow her to get a legal abortion?

    If you haven’t heard about this, you should really read this article by CBS. Then somebody can explain to me why this is the right, or “The Right” thing to do.

    March 7, 2012 5:47 PM

    Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnell signs Virginia ultrasound bill

    “Amid continued protests from Democrats, Republican Governor Bob McDonnell on Wednesday signed into law a controversial bill requiring Virginia women to undergo an ultrasound procedure prior to having an abortion.”

    “The bill sparked national debate this month over a provision that would have required many women to undergo transvaginal ultrasounds, which opponents decried as medically unnecessary and physically invasive.”

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57392796-503544/virginia-gov-bob-mcdonnell-signs-virginia-ultrasound-bill/

  9. bobcat1a says:

    George, maybe you should do yourself a favor and go on the internet and read Ms Fluke’s testimony before you rant. You do yourself a grave disservice and compound the injustice aimed at a compassionate young woman. Shame, sir!

  10. Objective says:

    Way to Go George!!!! That is definietly worth a beer, coffee, or whatever you prefer, maybe even both if you like.

  11. Sonofwashington says:

    And if the Ayatollah Rick Santorum becomes president, he will institute sharia-like laws to ensure that every man and woman are properly monitored for fornication and related activities that threaten the society that Mr. Santorum deems pure and proper. That includes prohibition of contraceptives, sex limited to procreation, and most certainly, no oral sex. Naturally, homosexual conduct will be severly punished through the kind of jurisprudence America enjoyed during the Salem witch trials. But gosh, won’t America be the better for it?

  12. rooster_02 says:

    That is one stupid letter

  13. “It all comes down to sex. … Woodstock is the great American orgy. … One thing I will talk about, that no president has talked about before, is the dangers of contraception in this country. It’s not OK.”
    — Republican presidential candidate Rick Santorum

  14. The liberal Democrats/columnists/media rallied to the defense of the Georgetown University law student wanting to have her birth control financed.

    Wrong on all counts.

    Ms. Fluke testified about a friend who needs B.C. pills for medical reasons.

    Limbaugh attacked her 57 separate times, calling her a slut, a prostitute, and demanding that she share video of her sexual activity on the internet. Multiple “conservative” commentators jumping in on the bashing and distortion on what Fluke actually stated.

    I have no reason to defend Fluke. I do have reasons to point out how disgusting the behavior of Limbaugh, other media personalities, and ditto-heads like the letter writer are.

  15. Spiderweb says:

    “And as they continued to ask him, he stood up and said to them, “Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her.”
    John 8:7

    I wonder why these conservative “Christians” don’t follow their own creed?

    What was that about hypocrisy George?

  16. beerboy? If it is said enough, then it will be believed. Mukibr? You and I agree on your point. Its amazing that the Virginia Law slipped through without a mention in the news. I guess since they reluctantly took the probe out and replaced it with the other ultrasound, its not salacious enough.

  17. Frankenchrist says:

    Republicans are kept awake at night by the thought that someone, somewhere is having sex and enjoying it.

  18. The only problem I have with birth control is that more liberal women don’t use it.

  19. sevenstrokeroll says:

    This topic is ridiculous and the GOP stance is embarrassing, pathetic and trite. Yeah they want smaller government…small enough to go up into others body cavities with ultra-sounds.

    Heres what will happen if you GOPers don’t grow up: 4 more years of Obama! But hey, at least he acts like an adult!

  20. LornaDoone says:

    What this issue represents is how stupid conservatives are and how willing their are to follow a story and not do one iota of research on the facts. I’m waiting for Sarah Palin to weigh in on birth control. That will be the icing on the cake.

  21. Scottc51 says:

    “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.” -First Amendment.
    Good dialogue folks. Here’s the language that you are all playing with. Seems like less goverment in these issues is the theme of this provision of the constitution. Name calling each other just excites baser instincts, doesn’t persuade.

  22. LornaDoone says:

    Scott – can you explain how giving a religion the right to tell my insurance company which drugs they approve is providing me freedom? I need a goverment when a huge, wealth religious entity starts thinking that my medical needs is their business

  23. mucki – the bill still appears to require the medically unnecessary trans-vaginal probing in most circumstances. it says that if the abdominal imaging cannot determine the exact age of the fetus (which it generally cannot), then the trans-vaginal probe will still be required. if the women chooses not to get the second (trans-vaginal probe) ultrasound, after getting the forced abdominal ultrasound; then they are not legally eligible for an abortion procedure in the state of virginia.

    http://www.publicbroadcasting.net/wned/news.newsmain/article/0/0/1910932/US/Virginia.Governor.signs.controversial.abortion.bill

  24. Sonofwashington says:

    Hypocrisy?? Liberals believe that an enlightened democracy would recognize that access to health care is a right of every citizen
    and it should be the responsibility of our government to implement universal health care. That does not mean that employers or churches should be able to decide who gets what coverage for what items.

    President Obama has provide a loophole so that churches can deny insurance coverage for contraception for persons employed by the church itself. However, this should not apply to church-operated facilities (such as hospitals) that serve the public and hire persons who do are not affiliated with the church.

    BTW, if we had universal health care, there would be no need to debate this.

  25. Interesting . . . One person commenting understands this is a constitutional issue. Most other diverge into ignorant chatter.

    The government mandates a religious institution provide something directly in opposition to a basic belief. In other words, the government demands the Catholic Church change a basic principal of their religion to accommodate the government.

    Please refer to clause one and two of Scottc51’s post or take the time to google the 1st amendment to the constitution of the United States of America.

  26. The only problem I have with birth control is that more liberal women don’t use it.

    That isn’t the reason why you can’t get lucky with them….

  27. Another conservative letter of ranting and raving about government intrusions into sex lives. As already pointed out the woman was testifying about a woman who lost her ovaries because she could not longer afford the cost of her prescription medications for her disease. Birth control pills or the active medical component are used for many medical purposes. Rush and other right wingers jumped to bias hateful conclusions thinking she is spending $3K a year on birth control. The idiots did not read or listen to the testimony.

    I suspect George would rant and rave for the other side if one of his female relatives was denied birth control pills for a disease because Pope Rick I objected to them. After all, while treating the disease she would not be able to become present. God forbid this planet were to have one less child among the billions already here!

    For all of you who think intercourse is only for procreation leave your women alone if you are finished adding to the world’s population.

  28. old_benjamin says:

    Lorna, can you explain how giving the govenrment the right to tell my church which drugs it must provide is providing me freedom?

    I need a First Amendment when a huge secular government starts thinking that my church’s religious freedom is it’s business.

  29. Scott – Go tell to the Mormons who were forced to give up one of their religious beliefs in order to be allowed into the Union.

    The 1st Amendment gives individuals the right to PRACTICE their religion; it does not give anyone the right to impose their beliefs on others.

    Nanook & old_ben – do try to keep up – the religious institutions agreed to allow private insurance plans (paid for by individual employees) to offer birth control pills which are often used to treat medical conditions unrelated to contraception.

  30. sandblower says:

    nanook, your evaluation of what is happening is wrong, though I know it fits what you would like it to be, just like all the others who cannot get their minds around a simple issue.

  31. LornaDoone says:

    Old_benjamin:

    When did the government start providing contraceptives? I thought that insurance companies were doing that, if and when a religious employer wasn’t sticking their nose where it doesn’t belong.

  32. LornaDoone says:

    “Interesting . . . One person commenting understands this is a constitutional issue. Most other diverge into ignorant chatter.”

    Well, nanook that’s your take from a rather narrow perspective that claims religious freedom for only the Catholic Church.

    The First Amendment protects individual religious freedom also.

    Possibly the ignorance here is your lack of understanding of a constitutional amendment

  33. Jellee? SO … that begs the question, where is the lawfully required p*nis probe requirement for Viagra?

  34. Frida wrote above: Mukibr? You and I agree on your point.

    Yes, we do Frida, and I am glad to see that. I am sure there are other issues we can agree on as well, once we can establish a common base of respect and understanding with each other. I hope so anyway.

    However, I have to ask one question. about another question I asked on a different topic that you haven’t answered yet.

    The current question I have for you is this: Do you mind or even prefer to have the person we all know as Kardnos (currently hiding under the alt LornaDoone) answer questions directed to you, for you? Because that is what Kardy did on the other topic.

    The question I asked on the other topic, which is also about Birth Control, was this:

    Frida wrote: “My religion says that I have the right to have an insurance that I pay for, provide the medicine that is prescribed to me by my physician, to be covered by my policy.”

    Frida, I am not making any kind of judgement here, no snide remark, or criticism or anything at all like that. I am just very curious, and so would like to respectfully ask you to tell us: What is Your Religion?

    Thanks in advance for your honest answer to my question.

    Read more here: http://blog.thenewstribune.com/letters/2012/03/06/birth-control/#comment-207664#storylink=cpy

    Frida, please feel free to answer both questions above, either one, or none as you prefer. Just know that I am not trying to start a fight here, just trying to get to understand you a little better, that’s all. Really.

    Take care!

  35. “The government mandates a religious institution provide something directly in opposition to a basic belief.”

    No they don’t. They mandate that the insurance companies provide contraception coverage at no cost as part of wellness coverage.

  36. “iving the govenrment the right to tell my church which drugs it must provide”

    Your church is providing drugs? Really?

  37. Insurance companies owned and paid for by Catholics. I know this is too complicated for a simple minded sheeple to understand, but those insurance companies would not exist were it not for the Catholic church. If you happen to “choose” to work in a church sponsored institution and they don’t provide you with “right” to birth control, quit your job and go elsewhere.

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