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Letter by Lyle Laws, Puyallup on March 2, 2012 at 12:49 pm with 84 Comments »
March 2, 2012 12:49 pm

If anyone doubts that much of the TV news we receive on a daily basis is skewed far to the left, I would to point to the two most-watched cable news networks as an example.

I confess to being a Republican and a sports and news junkie, and although I watch Fox News more than CNN, I have always respected Wolf Blitzer. And who could ever forget the melodic sound of James Earl Jones’ voice when he said, “This is CNN”? But in general CNN leans far more to the left than Fox News does to the right. So what is my proof?

Liberals are always talking about free speech. Well, a number of the daily contributors on Fox News are liberals who are allowed to speak their minds freely:  Geraldo Rivera, Juan Williams, Alan Colmes, Bob Beckle, Kristen Powers, et al.

Who are the regular daily conservative contributors on CNN?

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  1. tomwa007 says:

    And CNN would never cover the GOP debate or races at all?

    They at least cover the story without personal opinion where Fox is not news but opinion by their correspondents.

  2. Theefrinker says:

    Wait, so what is your proof?

  3. old_benjamin says:

    Juan Williams usedd to be on PBS, but he got fired–too conservative.

    Pat Bucahannan used to be on MSNBC, but he got fired–same reason.

  4. Joe Scarborough is on MSNBC.

  5. Fox has court permission to lie because becasue they are entertainment and not news.

  6. old_benjamin says:

    So what’s CNN’s excuse?

  7. fanciladi says:

    Wonderfully said!

    The proof of this letter is in the watching of both channels…with an open mind. It’s obvious the difference in agenda. Fox is fair and balanced!

    Joe Scarborough has even changed to fit in more with MSNBC agenda…or, in other words, maybe to keep his job there!

  8. This is so typical of how Fox works. Michelle Malkin makes a ridiculous claim like this, and people who have no clue repeat it ad nauseum until someone thinks there is a grain of truth.

    Rivera is an avowed conservative who mainly attacks liberals. He is a registered Republican and announced that he voted for George Bush twice. No liberal would say that. He is moderate on immigration reform, and backs the reforms developed by George Bush and Republican conservatives, which makes him a “liberal” to those on the far-right fringe.

    Juan Williams is also a self-described conservative. When NPR let him go, Fox claimed it was because he was a conservative.

    Alan Colmes is best a joke, but he espouses mainstream and moderate views, along the line of the pre-2000 John McCain, so that makes him a moderate in real America, a liberal when he was on Fox. He claims he is a moderate, and he has never appeared before a progressive audience, is not considered a liberal by those who do, and he says he gets his news from the Washington Times and NY Post, two conservative rags. I wasn’t aware that he still had any regular presence on Fox. I don’t miss his buffoonery.

    Bob Beckle is the latest so-called liberal on Fox who gets paid to clown around so Fox can make fun of him and then generalize his stupidity and lack of detail to all liberals. Beckle says things that no true progressive or liberal would ever say so that it can get in the daily Fox newscast as a liberal “admission of guilt”. He recently said that it was true that liberals had purposely made blacks dependent on welfare so they would always vote Democratic. Just who in their right mind can believe he isn’t a Fox plant, just like clown Colmes was.

    Kirsten Powers may be left-leaning on most issues. She agrees with Hannity too many times for me to take her seriously, however, but in her writing she does take some liberal positions. She just doesn’t ever get to actually voice them very much and certainly not without interruptions during the arguments where Fox commenters try to out yell each other that passes for discourse.

    At least on MSNBC, the conservative guests get to have their complete say without people talking over them.

  9. fanciladi says:

    tuddo…you opinion of conservative is way off in my opinion…those you mentioned are definitely liberals..in my opinion!

  10. concernedtacoma7 says:

    According to tuddo if you don’t spew DNC talking points 100% of the time you are a conservative. Pathetic to attack and label these libs because they speak ther own opinions.

  11. tuddo, “At least on MSNBC, the conservative guests get to have their complete say without people talking over them.”

    That is on MOST MSNBC shows, with the exception of Hardball with Chris Matthews.

    On Hardball, Chris Matthews talks over everyone. The man cannot shut his mouth, even after he has asked his GUEST a question. The poor guest, who can be a Democrat or a Republican, it really doesn’t matter, usually gets talked over by Matthews before he or she is able to get a complete thought spoken aloud.

    I DO NOT believe FOX NEWS is in any way shape or form “Fair and Balanced” as they lean so far to the right that my TV tilts when I turn to that channel. Same as with MSNBC, but not so prominent of a tilt. But, the fact remains, Chris Matthews is totally UNBALANCED! That guy is a loon!

  12. Fox News real slogan: Unfair and Biased

  13. ReadNLearn says:

    Statistically, too few folks watch CNN for it to matter.

  14. Theefrinker says:

    All news is entertainment.

  15. concerned, Rivera, Williams and Colmes admit they are not liberals, so I am not labeling them anything, I went with their own analysis. The only one of them with liberal views is Powers. That’s how you get to be a liberal, by having liberal views, not by having Lyle Laws and other extreme rightists say you are.

    60%-70% of America would be liberals if you went by what Fox claims are liberal viewpoints. Take the current discussion over contraception.

    If only liberals support the requirement for contraception in health insurance policies, as the far right claims, for example, then I guess 65% of Americans are liberal, even though only about 20% claim to be.

    I think this letter writer and Fox forget that the huge bulk of Americans are moderate, and that is where I think most of the commenters cited in this letter fall.

    CNN really doesn’t have any true liberals commenting. Most of the commenters voice a mainstream moderate position.

  16. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Tuddo, where I think your analysis is off is the extreme shifts in both parties. These guys are libs, but not as extreme as post-2008 liberal movement. They all support OWS, big govt, etc.

    Geraldo is not that liberal, I would place him leaning right.

    The current BC debate is about free stuff vs firm religious principles. No surprise most people polled want more ‘free’ stuff. 50.5% of America pays for those free federal goodies, and it appears some of them are ignorant.

  17. concernedtacoma7 says:

    I take back that last line. Insurance pays, not the Feds. Either way it is paid for by someone, and those costs are passed on.

    Off topic, but addressing an earlier post.

  18. lylelaws says:

    tuddo,

    If you are not aware that Alan Colmes is a daily contributor on Fox you must not ever change channels from CNN and MSNBC long enough to make an honest judgment.

    I honestly find it hard to believe that you would even attempt to portray Juan Williams and Geraldo Rivera as conservatives. Are you kidding me?

  19. If conservatives don’t accept them and liberals obviously accept them as liberals, whats that actually make them, Plants!

  20. That should be “liberals obviously DON’T accept them”

  21. lyle, as I said, Fox News went to ground when NPR let Juan Williams go, saying he was the only true conservative on NPR.

    Two blowhards who take themselves far too seriously and don’t even provide any entertainment value are Alan Colmes and Chris Matthews. so I don’t even know what time either of them are on TV or if they still are on TV. CNN is too tired to bother with, MSNBC provides substantial documentation and back up facts and analysis, Fox has the best hard news and the most laughable commentaries, so I tend to watch those two the most.

  22. Marc Lamont Hill of Columbia University is a contributor on Fox News. If he too is a Conservative, I am Nancy Pelosi.

  23. bobcat1a says:

    Please tell me which network asks viewers to sign up for a political group’s rallies (Tea Party). It ain’t CNN.
    Tell me which employees of any other network speak at political rallies like Sean Hannity. There ain’t any.
    And if you deny that both of those are true, you better stop zoning out when you watch Fox.

  24. concernedtacoma7 says:

    BC1, in the interest of true debate and conversation please show me where a news network asks viewers to sign up for tea party rally. I admittedly watch a lot of Fox, and have not seen that. Thanks in advance.

  25. Apparently Lyle was disappointed by the rather tepid response to his last letter (last time I looked he got 21 responses) so he goes to the old tried and true FOX “fair and balanced” against the “liberal biased networks” to amp up his bait……It appears that these letters are nothing more than trolling for responses.

    I see no reason to rehash this stupid claim.

  26. please show me where a news network asks viewers to sign up for tea party rally.

    On February 11, 2009 Fox Business Network personality Dave Ramsey appeared on Fox and Friends, waving tea bags and saying “It’s time for a Tea Party.”

    Let the name-calling and insults continue.

  27. Vox, we cite the same poll, actually. The 44% supporters are the people in the CNN poll who said they were against the Obama plan when it was not presented in any detail. Republican responders overwhelmingly said they did not support it when it was presented this way as the Obama plan.

    The 65% supporters are the people who think insurance companies should be required to provide contraception services in basic insurance (59% saying all employers, even religious employers should have to) when the plan was described in detail in the poll. What the poll says is that a large majority of people actually support the policy, but partisan politics makes them say they don’t support it if Obama’s name is put with it. The same was found with the health care reform bill.

    And, you make my point for me about people being conservative. Many people, including some who I cited, consider themselves to be conservative. (I am a fiscal conservative and social moderate, btw).

    The people Fox and this letter writer say are liberal may not be far-right extreme conservatives, but they certainly aren’t speaking the liberal talking points or philosophy. On Fox, and apparently to this writer, if you aren’t on the extreme end of conservatism, then you are a liberal. I even heard a ridiculous claim the other day by a Fox commenter that George Bush was really a liberal on most issues.

    People who know me on these threads know that I always have factual backup for anything I write.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/15/us/politics/poll-finds-support-for-contraception-policy-and-gay-couples.html?_r=1

  28. http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200904130006

    Fox News’ Hemmer: “Can’t get to a tea party? Fox Nation hosts a virtual tea party.”

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/07/fox-news-hosts-join-right_n_183957.html

    In talking about the four tea party rallies Fox commentators were hosting, Glen Beck says, “if you can’t make the one in San Antonio (where he was hosting) ….just get out and let your face be seen.”

    concerned, actually, I don’t have a problem with Fox touting the tea party rallies as much as I do as their then claiming they weren’t media-organized events paid for by the Koch brothers and attended by people bussed all over to make the gatherings look much bigger. There was nothing grass roots about them.

  29. Okay, it’s very obvious here. Republican/conservatives believe Fox News is Fair & Balanced like their slogan says. Democrats/liberals believe that MSNBC is more fair and balanced than Fox. Both are wrong.

    Fox News obviously leans far Right, while MSNBC is equally as obvious being Far Left.

    CNN is somewhere in the middle between the two.

    And that’s the way it is…. March third, two thousand and twelve!

  30. muckibr, do you see anyone saying MSNBC is “fair and balanced”?

    MSNBC’s slogan, “Lean Forward’ tells us where they think they are, in the “Progressive” camp. Progressives think they are left of center, taking their philosophy from the progressive movement of last century, but not liberal in the classic use of the term, and certainly not in the Fox, “anything that goes against hard-right conservatism is liberal” use of the term.

  31. tuddo, Nope! I don’t recall seeing or hearing anyone saying that MSNBC is “fair and balanced,” though I know that Rachel Maddow does try to be fair. She keeps asking Republicans/conservatives to come on her show and present their point of view, but few ever do. Obviously somebody thinks she is too far to the Left to be fair to them.

    I never really got the MSNBC “lean forward” slogan, but I suppose one could presume that by leaning forward one is making “progress” towards something rather than regressing from something, therefore MSNBC is progressive.

    But, “Lean Forward” is just a slogan like “Fair and Balanced”. Neither is a statement of fact for either network. They are just catchy slogans, for advertising purposes.

    I still stand by my assessment that MSNBC is somewhere on the Left, and Fox on the Right, with CNN floating around between the two extremes somewhere in the middle.

    I also maintain that Chris Matthews is a very rude person to the guests he has on his show! I cannot understand why anyone would ever want to be on Hardball in the first place since Matthews almost always talks over everyone before they even have a chance to answer his questions.

    Okay?

  32. lylelaws says:

    BeerBoy,

    Since I take an insult from you as a comliment, I will respond to your statement about my last letter only getting 21 responses.

    The letter pointed out that public employee unions are on the verge of bankrupting all levels of government, and that although roughly half of people pay no federal income taxes, they receive far more than half of the benefits. I also pointed out that the top 5% of the much maligned rich people pay nearly 60% of all federal income taxes, so I was pleased that there were few responses, because very few people took exception to what I was pointing out.

    By the way, BeerBoy, do you ever submit letters or comments using your real name or do you just prefer to hide in the weeds and take potshots at those who do?

  33. muckibr, I was responding to your statement”: “Democrats/liberals believe that MSNBC is more fair and balanced than Fox.” I always thought liberals viewed MSNBC TV commentators as trying to counterpoint Fox, not aim to be fair and balanced.

    I am an independent, and I think that commentators on MSNBC are able to back up their comments more often with facts than commentators on Fox and present a wider range of information than Fox. That is not necessarily being “fair and balanced”.

    MSNBC website news is better than Fox’s website news, but Fox’s telecast news is among the top in the nation in terms of information and presentation.

    Fox just reports too often on trumped up stories created by Fox staff themselves and interviews their own commenters too often instead of the actual newsmakers. That, however, is a sorry trend with all the news networks.

    Fox commentation is balanced like a see-saw is balanced with a chubby kid on one end and a skinny kid sitting in the middle; kinda like \ .

  34. pantomancer says:

    The latter Lyle.

  35. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    Vox, we cite the same poll, actually.

    Uhmm… no, we don’t.

    The 44% supporters are the people in the CNN poll who said they were against the Obama plan when it was not presented in any detail.

    Uhmm… no they didn’t.

    http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2012/images/02/16/rel2g.pdf

    Republican responders overwhelmingly said they did not support it when it was presented this way as the Obama plan.

    Where? Where did they say this?????

    You see, tuddo, I could go point-by-point with you posts, if I were so inclined, and virtually every claim you are presenting as statement of fact is, in fact, total unsupported BS – your opinion, only. You make wild a$$ claims but provide no links… other than the phony media matters, the admittedly biased huffpo, and the un-admittedly leftist new york mimes – and even they don’t support the reckless assertions you’re making here.

    And when I provide a link to a poll by an organization (CNN) of whom you approve, you make up your own interpretation of the data, and try to spin some NY(past)Times poll as proof.

    At best, you could say that what we have here are two separate polls, taken two days apart, showing completely different results – likely a result of different sampling policy (e.g. the NYT/ CBS poll is notorious for sampling more democrats) and phrasing. I’ll take poll results from most any other poll over the NYT/ CBS poll.

    So let’s send it to the PEW Research poll (taken 2/14/12 – same day as NYT/ CBS):

    http://www.people-press.org/2012/02/14/public-divided-over-birth-control-insurance-mandate/

    Given that both CNN and PEW (both reliably left of center) produced the same results, looks like the 44% favorability result wins.

    In fact, the NYT/ CBS poll you cite is the one that has been the most impugned for their biased line of questions – not CNN or PEW.

    And what about your other claims? You zero in on the only point for which the tiniest sliver of an argument could be made on you behalf (polls), and ignore my previous post’s requests for citations to back up your bizarre claims.

    I think we can guess why that is.

  36. vox, you didn’t even read the CNN article that you first linked to, did you. It says what I said, but I said we used the same “poll’ when I meant ‘article”. Please reread the CNN article for content. Or maybe you did read it and saw that it substantiated my comment, so you then changed the link so you could make up an attack and not look so ridiculous.

    Here is one quote from the article you first linked to, before you changed it:

    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/02/16/cnn-poll-half-oppose-obama-birth-control-insurance-plan/?iref=storysearch

    “Recent CBS and Fox polls indicate support for the new policy, using questions that describe the new policy in some detail. But in the CNN poll, when asked their opinion of the Obama policy with no details spelled out, support was much less and a large partisan divide emerged”.

    There is more in the article which substantiates my post. I guess you would malign the Fox poll, too, that shows a 61% approval, even before Obama’s compromise, just because you disagree with it.

    http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/2012/02/10/fox-news-poll-shows-big-majority-in-favor-of-obama-contraception-rule-even-before-compromise/

    Talk about ad hoc arguments in the rest of your rebuttal. You can’t substantiate anything so you attack the cites, even though the sources I cited have the Fox videos for all to see. Fox itself is the source, so you make yourself look like a blathering idiot with those who actually go to my cites. Typical.

  37. Pacman33 says:

    “People who know me on these threads know that I always have factual backup for anything I write.”

    BS. You just say that so much that you actually have yourself fooled.

  38. concernedtacoma7 says:

    “idiot…cites”. We all make a typo or two, but this is a good one.

  39. How could anyone mistake fox news as ‘fair and balanced’?

    In the past few years alone they have been busted numerous times for out right lies, fabrications and showing the wrong videos and photos to back up the lies they just made up!

    To say fox is ‘fair and balanced’ is to say the drug addict rush limblow is a liberal!

  40. Study after study after study has proven that fox viewers are un-informed, ill-informed and out of touch with reality.

    When presented with clear cut facts fox viewers refused to accept the truth and stuck with the lies they had received from fox.

    Amazing really.

  41. Here is a little test,
    If you agree with everything you see and hear on your ‘news’ channel, you’re not getting ‘news’, you’re getting propaganda.

    Getting what you want to hear and what you agree with isn’t ‘news’ folks, it’s that simple.

  42. “I could go point-by-point with you posts, if I were so inclined, and virtually every claim you are presenting as statement of fact is, in fact, total unsupported BS”

    And yet, you never actually do so. So what does that make this claim?

  43. I watch Fox, MSNBC and CNN for entertainment purposes only. When I want REAL NEWS I watch The Daily Show and The Colbert Report.

  44. MaryEllen2 says:

    MSNBC is the factual debunking of FOX. Thus they are not fair and balanced, according to FOX devotees

  45. No one doubts that much of the TV news we receive on a daily basis is skewed far to your left. What does that say about you Lyle?

  46. concerned, “cite” as a noun is very common; the OED takes it back to 1957 by a usage in the Atlantic. I do make typos, but this was not one of them. Attack me for something that doesn’t make you look uninformed in the process.

  47. Sonofwashington says:

    Even if the so-called “liberals” on FOX were legitimate voices of the left, the Murdoch\Ailes network would not even come close to meeting its now-comical tag line of “Fair and Balanced”. No “liberal” has their own venue comparable to Hannity or O’Reilly and the air time given to liberal voices is vastly outweighed by opposing voices. Even when these “liberals” do appear it’s almost always when they are outnumbered and often in a venue where they can be browbeaten and ridiculed by the so-called “conservatives”. (I use “conservative” in quotes because they are far less conservative than they are pro-corporate interests and they use “conservatism” as a legitmizing label for political purposes.)

    But why would a national TV network so willfully and blatantly violate its “vision statement” of “Fair and Balanced”? Quite simply, because in the vast majority of cases, they can not win a fair and honest debate. Quite obviously, if they could win the “conservative” (pro-corporate) debate in such a manner, they would assiduosly hew to their stated standard. They can’t, so they don’t.

  48. “The letter pointed out that public employee unions are on the verge of bankrupting all levels of government”

    That alone is a false statement, which I’m sure came from fox.

  49. lylelaws says:

    afret,

    While I appreciate the fact that you “feel sorry” for me, it really isn’t necessary.

    As for citing the date and time when anyone on Fox News said anything nice about President Obama, I don’t record everthing that is said when I watch cable news shows. Do you?

    I think most Americans know what is fair and balanced and that is why Bill O’reilly, (the man liberals love to hate) has had the number one show on cable news for the last 11 years in a row.

  50. Sonofwashington says:

    With regard to President Obama, it should be fairly obvious to any reasonable observer that FOX’s talking heads can barely get any “good news” about the President (let alone the combined words “President Obama”) to pass their lips, but they sure don’t mind talking endlessly about any hint of bad news.

    And I have to laugh at this constant claim that O’Reilly’s popularity has any correlation with being “Fair and Balanced”. His popularity is largley due to a hard-core audience of conservatives who like what he says, especially when we rants about the President (if he uses that word) and “pin-headed, extreme liberals”. Lots of red meat that keep them frothing at the mouth for more.

    But the real fallacy is the continuing claims of some kind of correlation between popularity and truth. There is none. And if there were, then the major broadcast stations would far outweigh cable news for “truthiness” because cable news has only a fraction of the viewers. Besides that, cable news is all about profits, ratings, and PR, not the pursuit of honest jounalism. So they indulge in hype, rampant speculation, rumored conspiracies, scandal and Hollywood rumors to pull in audiences. It’s too costly and too much hard work to provide in-depth reporting or honest news analysis that much of their audience finds boring, or worse, contrary to their entrenched beliefs.

  51. “Bill O’reilly, (the man liberals love to hate) has had the number one show on cable news for the last 11 years in a row.”

    Which proves only one thing. The wrong wing needs to be told what to think. If O’Reilly, Limbo, and all the other hatemongers went off the air, two-thirds of the wrong-wing posters in here wouldn’t be able to think of anything to say.

  52. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    tuddo, first you continue to ignore my request for links/ citations to where Heraldo Rivera has ever described himself as an “avowed conservative” or a “registered Republican”, “announced that he voted for George Bush twice”, or that “he is moderate on immigration reform”. Would love to see a links quoting “Juan Williams is also a self-described conservative”, or where Alan Colmes “says he gets his news from the Washington Times and NY Post”, or just where “Rivera, Williams and Colmes admit they are not liberals”.

    Instead, you are seizing upon one poll out of three cited polls (actually we could go to the Rasmussen poll too – at least it would off-set the NYT/ CBS poll, politically speaking). And you are completely ignoring PEW, even going so far as to include a quote from the linked CNN article, but carefully leaving out the very next sentence, to wit:

    A recent Pew poll also suggests Americans are closely divided, and that poll may hold the key to the differences.

    The wording in the PEW poll was more specific than the others, and it produced results nearly identical to CNN.

    Or maybe you did read it and saw that it substantiated my comment, so you then changed the link so you could make up an attack and not look so ridiculous.

    Given the results were less than desirable for them, it certainly doesn’t surprise me that CNN felt the need to include a disclaimer in their article, linking their actual poll – which was the second link I provided. But there is no “substantiated” of anything in the piece. Since I had already linked the article, I simply decided to link the poll as well – for the navigation challenged among us – so that you could see poll questions and sampling data for yourself. No need for redundancy or conspiracy theories, tuddo.

    Tell you what, since it appears we have 5 polls with opposing data, lets let Rasmussen cancel-out NYT/ CBS, and CNN can cancel-out FOX – that leaves PEW and their 44% approval rating.

    Talk about ad hoc arguments in the rest of your rebuttal.

    Love to… if you could show me one.

    You can’t substantiate anything…

    Again with the dodge – this was about YOU substantiating your preposterous claims about FOX personalities (see above). I’m still waiting for that.

    so you attack the cites, even though the sources I cited have the Fox videos for all to see. Fox itself is the source…

    Nice try, but you didn’t link the FOX poll until AFTER my last post.

    C’mon tuds, link the National Enquirer article that breaks the news of how Rivera, Colmes, and Williams are really closet conservatives… and aliens… who have impregnated Michael Moore.

  53. “I think most Americans know what is fair and balanced and that is why Bill O’reilly, (the man liberals love to hate) has had the number one show on cable news for the last 11 years in a row.”

    How are rating an indication of ‘fair and balanced?’
    The only this proves is that fox require cable providers to carry fox news as their ONLY cable news channel in their basic cable package, they can’t carry ANY other cable news channel if they want fox entertainment in their line up on the basic package.

    In other words, every trailer park has only fox news and it’s forced on them.

  54. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Thanks Vox, but I like it when he tries to attack me. Proves he is A) a hypocrite, B) out of rhetoric to support a failed argument.

  55. lylelaws says:

    ehill,

    It is a sure sign that people don’t really have anything revelant to say when they resort to insults and name calling.

    Get a grip.

  56. pantomancer says:

    When was the last time George Stephanopoulos or one of his like minded counterparts raked Bill Maher over the coals?

    Hillary 2012!

  57. aislander says:

    There’s no doubt that Fox leans right in its opinion shows. So what?

    They try to air all sides in the news segments, which is, I suspect, what really ticks off the left…

  58. fanciladi says:

    I don’t care what you all think of FOX…I watch it…it reports happenings that aren’t reported by other News Media…

    After years and years watching the one-sided reporting, it’s nice to hear others reporting about people who think the way I do!

    It is Fair and Balanced…

  59. Sonofwashington says:

    fanciladi, you have summed it all up so well! FOX is “fair and balanced” in your eyes because it reports about people who think the way you do!

    You might be amazed to find out that other networks report happenings that aren’t reported by FOX; usually things that might undercut FOX’s blatant bias. But of course, you don’t want those kind of things encroaching on yours and FOX’s well-crafted “reality”.

  60. fanciladi says:

    Sonofwashington…and perhaps you could turn your wording around to fit the opposite way, too…it would be a good fit either way!

    “Beauty is in the eye of the beholder” and “in the ear of the listener”…makes sense to me… :)

  61. Lyle – You know people will watch a building burn down but that does not mean it is a good thing. But I think you get my point about O’Rielly. Do you do know Mr. O’Rielly recently misrepresented (or better yet lied) when he discussed Ms. Sandra Fluke’s testimony to congress. He presented an edited tape were it appeared that she was asking for contraception coverage for herself. What is worse he presented it as if she wanted the coverage so she could have sex without paying for the medication herself. When in fact she was testifying for others she knew at the university that needed contraceptives to treat disease. Lyle since you are so informed you do know that contraceptives are used for more than birth control, right? Ms. Fluke’s testimony covered the case of a fellow student who did not get the contraceptive medications she needed and could not afford it and in the end it became a life threatening condition and lost an ovary. I urge you to view Ms. Fluke’s entire testimony before congress at the link below and see for yourself how it was misrepresented by Mr. O’Reilly.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwWNh_4QAAk

    Also Lyle the offer still stands, can you name one instance were the daily Faux News commentators said anything good about president Obama? (Not the fools you listed) Keep in mind you must state a date and time or it does not count.

    I’ll even increase the offer; I’ll offer to buy you the beverage of your choice if you can provide recent evidence meeting the requirements of the challenge above.

  62. “There’s no doubt that Fox leans right in its opinion shows. So what?”

    And yet they call themselves “Fox News” and claim to be fair and balanced.

  63. Sonofwashington says:

    fanciladi ~ If you are saying that folks tend to gravitate to those programs that reinforce their view of the world, then I totally agree. So long as you realize that FOX is not even close to tag line of “Fair and Balanced” and that there is a whole of counter information to what they provide, then I don’t have a problem with it.

    On the other hand, if you are blinded by the notion that they are the only trustworthy source of news and political opinion but happy because they serve to reinforce your myopic world view, that is a problem only you can deal with.

  64. Lyle-If you and others like you want to believe that Fox News is fair and balanced and that all of the other news sources are biased, fine. But don’t expect rational people to agree with this delusion.

  65. menopaws says:

    CNN has David Frum on sometimes, also Mike Murphy who is a Republican strategist and also, a bright and funny man……….But, here is the real deal……….I think Wolf Blizter is the dumbest man on television and CNN is just awful now. I remember when it used to be a pure news channel and it was the go/to place for real hard news…..Now, they are trying to be Fox or MSNBC and it is just awful. I don’t like Fox and I don’t like MSNBC either. Left or right—I could care less. They are both just dreadful. Now, CNN has decided to go tabloid and it is just horrible……..I’ve gone back to the networks because I want the news—-I am not interested in Hannity’s spin, or Sharpton’s spin—they are both idiots……..I do think CNN, courtesy of Time Warner, is trying to be more like Fox…and doing it badly……Ted Turner must be laughing all the time now!!! Try Canadian Broadcasting—-if you want to really hear what the rest of the world is thinking and doing—they actually report world news—without shades of any politics………Aaron Brown, where are you???

  66. menopaws, good points, although I do watch the interviews I see on the networks you mentioned, if the host allows the interviewee to talk, but I avoid much of the host’s commentaries.

    I guess we understand why people who watch Jon Stewart are the most informed and people who watch Fox are less informed than people who watch no network news at all.

    http://www.people-press.org/2008/08/17/key-news-audiences-now-blend-online-and-traditional-sources/

  67. Geraldo Rivera in the New York Post: “As for me, a professed live-and let-live libertarian who has often voted for Republicans”

    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/item_e4oEjmcgVXpSwv88t4pF3I/1

  68. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Ah, the recycled ‘fox viewers are stupid’ argument.

    First off, I think you pasted the wrong link. Probably talking about 600 people from Jersey who were polled. OK, so Jersey is full of idiots.

    But- http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/jun/20/jon-stewart/jon-stewart-says-those-who-watch-fox-news-are-most/

  69. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Oh no! Jerry has voted for Republicans! Proves he does not blindly pull the D lever and votes with his head.

    You should follow his lead.

  70. CT7 – By today’s standards Eisenhower would be a liberal.

    Velmak – many liberals are willing to appear on Fox, and a few conservatives appear on MSMBC, but most conservatives would rather appear on Fox where they do not have to handle hardball questions.
    And the mighty Vox strikes out yet again.

    CT7 – when I watch Fox I seldom if ever fall sleep.

    Muck – the Lean Forward tagline embraces MSNBC’s progressive political identity and clearly implies FOX is leaning backwards.

    Lyle – your last letter was a total falsehood.

    Ehill – some who watch FOX follow the rule of know thy enemy.

    To all – for true fair and balanced news try:

    http://www.aljazeera.com/

  71. “has voted for Republicans!” — so much for the claim that he’s a liberal.

  72. “OK, so Jersey is full of idiots.”

    Which explains why they have a Republican governor, doesn’t it?

  73. Xring writes, “Muck – the Lean Forward tagline embraces MSNBC’s progressive political identity and clearly implies FOX is leaning backwards.”

    I know that Xring! That’s kind of exactly what I wrote and posted on this blog on 3/3 @ 10:36 AM

    “I never really got the MSNBC “lean forward” slogan, but I suppose one could presume that by leaning forward one is making “progress” towards something rather than regressing from something, therefore MSNBC is progressive.”

    And that’s basically what it says in this article:
    http://theweek.com/article/index/207856/msnbcs-new-slogan-what-does-it-even-mean

    Along with what I also wrote on 3/3 @ 10:36 AM:

    “But, “Lean Forward” is just a slogan like “Fair and Balanced”. Neither is a statement of fact for either network. They are just catchy slogans, for advertising purposes.”

    Although I kind of miss seeing good ol’ Keith Olbermann and his “Worst Person of the World” feature.

  74. yearofthewoman says:

    liberal and conservative are a state of mind

  75. fanciladi says:

    SonofWashington…it seems to be your problem…not mine.

    When a person watches their choice of news venue, that’s what they choose for many different reasons. I don’t ‘plan’ on trashing other’s choices even though I disagree with them. I don’t agree with them for reasons I understand and I have learned and still am learning not to share with some because they trash my opinion/reasons no matter how important they are to me. I’m still learning not to share…that’s life.

    Seems people enjoy this type of reply and they ‘think’ it makes their opinion more valid by trashing…that’s what they ‘think’…oh, well, as I said before, that’s life! :) We are all different!

  76. “It seems that, if you can’t win the argument, FLAG the messenger.

    Poltroon…”

    ——-

    LOL – I guess it escaped your attention that several of my posts were removed as well, Mr. Addlepate.

  77. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    Good thing the board nanny took pity on you without any prompting on YOUR part…

    LOL, BTDT.

  78. “Sorry–my mistake. I jumped to that conclusion because your rump had been so thoroughly handed to you, but I guess you were okay with having your shame remain available for viewing. Good thing the board nanny took pity on you without any prompting on YOUR part…”

    I see. You think that removing YOUR posts is bad, but removing other posts is good.

  79. Still waiting for all that proof you suppoedly have, Voxie.

  80. I didn’t expect you to document anything. You never do. As you yourself said, “You make wild a$$ claims but provide no links.”

    One more thing. I don’t flag your posts. I want EVERYONE to see every hateful comment you make.

  81. “. I said it was a good thing for you that my posts were pulled down.”

    LOL – sure it was.

  82. A PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT:

    Kardy is back and he’s wearing a dress!

    I don’t know about any of the rest of you, because I am NOT the blog monitor, and I haven’t appointed myself to anything, but I do NOT intend to respond to any comments posted by Kardy’s new monikers, which are: PatGreen, yearofthewoman and MaryEllen2. There may be more, but I am going to completely ignore those. The rest of you can deal with him, er HER however you want to. Just remember, anyone who will constantly LIE about who they are will lie about anything and everything else. He, er SHE has proven that much time and time again on these blogs.

  83. pantomancer says:

    Too funny.

  84. I know! Hilarious!!!

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