While I was highly annoyed by the people who yelled at Rick Santorum during his speech in Tacoma (TNT, 2-14), I was just as annoyed with the roving gangs of tea partiers who used the same tactics in 2010 with Democratic candidates.
It just goes to prove that extremists on both sides can be equally blind, forgetful, intolerant and impolite.
The only thing missing was the professional wrestling chant of “USA USA USA USA”
http://beforeitsnews.com/story/1751/721/Sarah_Palin,_CPAC_Crowd_Drown_Out_Heckler_with_Chants_of_USA,_USA_Video_2_11_12.html
Yes, both sides can be rude…but, I don’t believe it’s equal…the left can be much nastier…and there are many videos to prove it!!
I don’t recall too many Tea Party members actually interrupting public events like Liberals do. I guess if you don’t have facts on your side, make them up.
MM…. what is wrong with that video? I liked it.
That was a good video…
Please show dozens of Dem speeches where Tea Party reps acted like class-less, anti-democratic clowns. Waiting for the links, Kard. Not just one, but a number somewhere close to that of progressive liberals. Thanks!
How about when the teabagger in Massachusetts called Elizabeth Warren a “fascist whore”? Saw it on the 6 o’clock news.
The teabaggers shouldn’t be saying things like that to the future POTS. 2016
“Please show [stupid number deleted] Dem speeches where Tea Party reps acted like class-less, anti-democratic clowns. … Not just one, but a number …”
It’s really sad when some people are so dishonest that they lie and pretend that things didn’t happen which everyone knows did happen, like the Teabagger staged interruptions of Democratic Congresspersons Town Hall Meetings in 2009.
The Teabaggers were specifically sent on missions to purposely disrupt those town halls using a variety of different tactics, and they were successful, and they were reported in all the news media including FOX News. It is a well known and documented FACT!
Here is just one (1) article with two (2) videos that cites seven (7) separate class-less anti-democratic Teabagger clown attacks against Democratic Congresspersons.
“Teabaggers Try To Shout Down Health Care Reform At Town Halls
By Rachel Slajda – August 3, 2009, 12:05PM”
1. a town hall in Philadelphia with Sen. Arlen Specter (D-PA)
2. protesters followed Rep. Lloyd Doggett (D-TX)
3. Rep. Tim Bishop (D-NY) has suspended town hall meetings after screaming protesters
4. crowd erupted into thunderous applause after a soldier demanded an apology from Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-MO)
5. Dan Maffei (D-NY) held a town hall meeting that devolved into a shouting match
6. Rep. Patrick Murphy (D-PA) showed up to a restaurant, where he was supposed to hold one-on-one meetings with constituents, to find 150 angry people
7. A group shouted the Pledge of Allegiance at Sen. Carl Levin (D-MI)
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/08/teabaggers-try-to-shout-down-health-care-reform-at-town-halls.php
I don’t recall too many Tea Party members actually interrupting public events like Liberals do. I guess if you don’t have facts on your side, make them up.
MM…. what is wrong with that video? I liked it.
They don’t forget. They are purposefully, conveniently ignorant.
As to the video I posted, consider the brain trust that the “USA” chant came from – professional wrestling, when the “villian” is an arabic looking character. It was started long before 9/11/01 They also chanted it when a stupid looking character carrying a 2×4 was in the ring.
Yeah – wonderful stuff. Your public figures (Palin isn’t an elected official) need to act like the WWE.
Then there are the less public “interupters” – voice mails left for Patty Murray and Brian Baird threatening their lives.
http://www.bing.com/search?q=Teabaggers+2009+town+hall+meetings&src=IE-SearchBox&FORM=IE8SRC
Have fun and educate yourselves. You obviously were asleep in 2009
And let’s not forget Congressman Joe Wilson yelling at President Obama during a speech to Congress.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/10/congressman-yells-lie-obama-speech/
Let us all remember Tea Party means terrorist. Those harassing Santorum were good democrat citizens.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2010/01/alito-mouths-not-true-at-obama.html
Maybe the Democrats should chant “USA USA”
dear Sabre and concerned,
Do you need a hose to help get that egg off your face? lol
Game. Set Match.
Thanks muckiber, ehill and Manuel!
scooter – the saddest part of the issue is that the information was right in front of their collective noses. It’s call “the internets”
By the way, muckibr, ehill and I are all “Kardy”. That’s why we all knew the answer
HAHAHA! I love when the idiot right is called out. They are willfully ignorant…spoon fed info from beck and bachmann and limbaugh. They never get that about libs…we often get our info from more than one source!
Manuel – I think right wingers think the “inter-tubes” is mostly lib witchcraft used to obfuscate and mislead the faithful.
Can I be “kardy” too? Or at least a “kardy”? The name seems to create massive amounts of fear and loathing in our conservative friends here on this site. Scooter sounds so much more benign. (Unless you read education and union articles then I am a union thug and plant!)
scooter – consider yourself a “Kardy”
When I was in middle school, a teacher was always on us about ending a sentence with a preposition – “where are you going at?”.
So we added a comma – “where are you going, at?” – thus everyone was named “at”.
Let’s all call each other “Kardy”
Talk to you later, Kardy
So…would it be rude to ask if the individual mandate in Obamacare is a new tax?
Obama’s lawyers are arguing before the Supreme Court that it IS a tax, while his budget director is maintaining at the same time before Congress that it ISN’T a tax…
…and OUR subject is rudeness, so we remain “on topic.”
scooter6139, You are welcome. I am always happy to post truth and facts on these blogs, in order to counter falsehoods. It is a fact that the Teabaggers made carefully planned attacks upon Democratic congresspersons during their Town Hall Meetings and other speaking engagements.
Now, as to a related comment posted in response to yours at 8:52 AM, regarding the 9:02 AM post above, I would like to make a few things clear.
1. I am not in any way associated or supportive of ManuelMartini. As should be crystal clear to anyone who followed the comments on the Obama Admin/Birth Control issues should know.
2. I am not kardnos. I have never been kardnos. I have never even seen a comment that was actually posted under the alt kardnos.
Although, I have recently come to believe that ManuelMartini might well be, as some have suspected, the reincarnation of kardnos. I am very sure he formerly commented under the alt X6, and prior to that as RW98512.
In January, when the alt ManuelMartini first appeared on these blogs, he made the claim that he had been reading these blogs for a few months before deciding to post his first comment.
However, just recently he made this very curious comment on another topic:
ManuelMartini
FEB. 13, 2012 AT 12:21 PM
“this titfortat reminds me of the old days of “Kardy” and “Saduj”.”
Read more here: http://blog.thenewstribune.com/letters/2012/02/09/pre-occupy-drug-test/#storylink=cpy
My question is: How could he, ManuelMartini, be reminded of “the old days of “Kardy” and “Saduj”.” unless he was around during those days? I don’t know when those days were, because I only started posting comments in November 2011, and I have been given the impression by others that kardnos was long gone before then, but still very much remembered.
And, who is “Saduj”? This is the first time I have ever seen anyone mention that name.
Therefore, I have renewed suspicions that ManuelMartini may indeed be the reincarnation of kardnos, as others here have long suspected.
3. Regardless as to whether he is kardnos or not, I speak for myself here on these blogs and no one else. Mine is an Independent voice. I post comments under the name muckibr, and that is all. I do not always agree with ManuelMartini or anyone else for that matter. Again, that can be verified if you care to review comments I made in opposition to ManuelMartini (aka kardnos), beerBoy or others during the Obama Admin/Birth Control topic.
Now…
Back to SANTORUM.
Uh….muckibr….still haven’t gotten over getting schooled about the Catholic Church and their offering of birth control programs for employees in Washington State, huh? (we’ll leave abortion out for the moment)
Since your sense of humor is broken, I’ll submit the following:
As to my reflection of “Kardy” and “Saduj”….regardless of how long YOU have been posting, the News Tribune comment’s have been here for a long, long time. I know. I read them for months before ever commenting. It’s been a real hilarious reading experience. Thanks for adding to the laughter with your last post.
We’ll not allow you to be in the KardyKlub. You have no sense of humor.
:::makes note to throw away muckibr’s “KardyKlub” namebadge::::
Of course they all say “Kardy” so maybe we can recycle them.
::::shuts off drama switch:::::
I wonder why muckibr denies so astringently…oh, nevermind.
“would it be rude to ask if the individual mandate in Obamacare is a new tax?”
Why don’t you ask the arch-conservative Heritage Foundation, since the individual mandate was their idea?
http://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/2011/10/20/how-a-conservative-think-tank-invented-the-individual-mandate/
ehillkardy – Isn’t it facinating how the Republicans championed the individual mandate in the past, but when Obama brings it up, they oppose it?
Do we see a trend?
A great website and info on individual mandate:
http://healthcarereform.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=004182
Attending OPEN town halls and expressing an opinion (with support from the crowd) is NOT the same as hiring protesters to storm conservative events.
And no, I will not click on a link with ‘teabaggers’ in it. Ironic that the left is up in arms over gay marriage then uses a homosexual reference in a negative light
“Attending OPEN town halls and expressing an opinion (with support from the crowd) is NOT the same as hiring protesters to storm conservative events.”
… such as interrupting the President of the United States giving a speech in Congress.
“I will not click on a link with ‘teabaggers’ in it.”
As if to say: If I close my eyes all the bad stuff will just go away!
Open your eyes con7, and just realize the truth that the term came from the movement itself. They called themselves Teabaggers, until someone pointed out to them that it wasn’t the best term to use.
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The evolution of the word ‘tea bagger’
Tea Party activists are outraged by the revelation that Obama once used the term “tea baggers” to describe them. But the coinage wasn’t always considered an insult…
http://theweek.com/article/index/202620/the-evolution-of-the-word-tea-bagger
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Who First used the term ‘TEABAGGER’?
THURSDAY, JANUARY 21, 2010
The modern day Teabaggers has its start with Wall Street reporter Rick Santelli
http://realworldpolitics.blogspot.com/2010/01/who-first-used-term-teabagger.html
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Keith Olbermann Reminds the Teabaggers that They Coined Their Own Name
January 19, 2010
Olbermann said, “It is as useful to remind them anew of how the term originated and with whom. A TV news report aired last March 14 in which a correspondent described the original protest act, ‘take a teabag, put it in an envelope, and mail it to the White House.’ He added, ‘reteaparty.com has a headline Teabag the Fools in D.C. on tax day.’ Thus the verb to teabag was invented by the teabaggers themselves, and the correspondent who put it on TV was a Griff Jenkins of Fox News. Send your complaints to him.”
http://www.politicususa.com/en/olbermann-teabagger
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Now, as far as the Term “Santorum” goes, somebody actually went to some lengths to redefine that. Just Google it and see what results you get besides the candidate himself.
There is no egg on my face. You are talking about apples and oranges. When have any Conservative activists stormed into a Democratic event trying to disrupt it? You would think at least MSNBC would cover that if it ever happend.
Not allowing somebody to speak because they disagree with them is a Democrat/Liberal/Progressive tactic.
I like how concerned has stuck his fingers in his ears and is mumbling “I can’t hear you! I can’t hear you!”
Concerned, where do you get your (mis)information?
How is scheduling a political event next to a site known to be in use by protestors somehow equivalent to the protestors “storming” the event?
Sabre16 – Ignoring reality does not make it go away. Google is your friend. I suggest you use it.
Sabre16 “When have any Conservative activists stormed into a Democratic event trying to disrupt it?”
Obama Interrupted By Heckler At Coakley Event in Boston
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yxs1u-QOCrQ
Obama Speech Is Interrupted by Gay Marriage Supporters
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/24/nyregion/obama-speech-interrupted-by-gay-marriage-supporters.html?_r=1
Obama’s Speech at Boxer Event Interrupted By ‘Don’t ask, don’t Tell’ Opponents
http://laist.com/2010/04/20/obamas_speech_at_boxer_event_interr.php
Next question!
scooterKardy!!
Did you get your official KardyKlub ID badge?
Attending OPEN town halls and expressing an opinion (with support from the crowd) is NOT the same as hiring protesters to storm conservative events.
It seems that the Santorum event was in a public building without restricted access. “Hiring protestors”???? Concerned is making stuff up now.
“How is scheduling a political event next to a site known to be in use by protestors somehow equivalent to the protestors “storming” the event?”
Not to mention “hiring protestors”, eh, beerBoyKardy?
I’m not sure that you would want to be a member of KardyKlub, but there are no dues and the only requirement for membership is to say that you wouldn’t join a club that would want you as a member.
the only requirement for membership is to say that you wouldn’t join a club that would want you as a member.
What are you….some sort of Marxist?
LOL
Amen, brother.
Kard (and there is only one of you, thankfully), I was obviously speaking about crazy lib protesting as a whole, not just this incident.
Check your sarcasm and try to keep up.
I see that you have annoyed most of the usual posters to the point where they left. Sorry, but I will stick around to point out your hatred, bigotry, and all around ignorance.
::::looking around for the Drama Queen’s tiara::::::
Nice to see that LF never left.
So…is it a tax or isn’t it? The obamunists can’t seem to identify the penalty for our not doing what we’re told, like good little subjects, as a tax or as a penalty. What would Il Douche Che do? Someone play Hail to the Thief…
…or was that rude?
Oh ManuelKARDNOSMartini, we all know that LF did leave, but he came back as kpntrl, amjm, and many other alts, JUST LIKE YOU HAVE with all the various alts you have coined on these blogs. You are the exact Liberal mirror image of LF. The big difference is, you have probably created more alts than LF ever did, by at least a factor of 3 to 1.
So, go ahead and create your Kooky Kardy Klub, and by it you will clearly identify the kind of people who will blindly follow a person who keeps getting kicked-off these blogs and has to create new identities to sneak back on time and time again.
While I may still disagree with some of the folks I mentioned in my prior comment, and others I forgot to mention like sozo and took14theteam, I will be sure to show them much more respect henceforth, because they have remained here under their original names without changes.
And, I will also say, of Rick Santorum that even if conservatives have pulled the same kind of stunts on liberal candidates, which they have, it would be a better country and better world if we all showed each other common respect and honesty, and let folks have their say without trying to shout them down or engage in personal attacks. Until that happens, then at least on forums like these, eventually the rules will catch up with you, won’t the Kardy?
“it would be a better country and better world if we all showed each other common respect and honesty”
::::dripping with irony:::::
So…is it a tax or isn’t it? The obamunists can’t seem to identify the penalty for our not doing what we’re told, like good little subjects, as a tax or as a penalty. What would Il Douche Che do? Someone play Hail to the Thief…
…or was that rude?
Are we post-cocktail hour?
There is nothing on this thread or letter about “tax”. Attack, muckibr! I think ailander is OFF TOPIC!!!
Meanwhile, I think the tiara was sold on ebay.
Someone has been talking to himself long enough that he believes what he tells himself.
Next on “As the Thread Turns”…..
“took14theteam, I will be sure to show them much more respect henceforth, because they have remained here under their original names without changes.”
HAHAHAHAHAHA…..
“Took14″ was invented after being banned for using profanity directed at another participant under the previous moniker, thus “took one for the team”.
Yeah…much more respect. LOL Then there are the people who use someone’s personal name for phoney email addresses to register….
You’re a gem, Sherlock. Not too good at getting shown where the cow ate the cabbage, but I’ll give you a D for effort
I don’t know if I mentioned, but Santorum’s ploy about the government messing with freedom of religion is a false issue.
The Catholic Church owns Providence Hospital, who provides birth control and abortion services via Group Health Cooperative – one of the health care choices offer to employees.
As anyone can see, the whole faux outrage last week was nothing short of a campaign ploy for Santorum, Bohner and others who have commented.
Now, some folks are not handling this information too well – kinda touchy – and it was shared on TV tonight that people have reported other Catholic Hospitals that have similar arrangments for employees in other parts of the United States. I’m sure we’ll hear more about this as time goes on.
“Updated: February 10, 2012, 11:03 AM
Catholic bishops in New York say their dioceses won’t abide by a new federal regulation requiring Catholic hospitals, charities and schools to provide birth control coverage in their health insurance plans.
But many Catholic institutions in New York — and in more than two dozen other states — already are complying with similar state mandates.
New York began requiring prescription contraception coverage in 2002, over the objections of Catholic groups, which sued and lost in the state’s highest court.
In Western New York, that means prominent Catholic institutions such as Baker Victory Services, Catholic Charities of Buffalo and St. Bonaventure University have been providing prescription birth control coverage for employees for nearly a decade.”
http://www.buffalonews.com/city/article727121.ece
OUCH! That hurts! Santorum followers might want to note that he is pulling the wool over their eyes.
ManuelKARDNOSMartina wrote, ““Took14″ was invented after being banned …”
Well! There you go again ManuelKARDNOSMartini, you just keep digging yourself in deeper.
took14theteam has been on these blogs at least since he posted a comment under that same name on OCT. 27, 2011 AT 4:47 PM
Read more here: http://blog.thenewstribune.com/letters/2011/10/25/re-our-view-october-23-2001/#storylink=cpy
But, you, as KARDNOS, were kicked off the blogs sometime around October 24th, so what alt were you using when took14theteam was supposedly banned and created his new name?
Which proves yet again that ManuelMartini is an alt, because ManuelMartini did not exist until January 2012, so you could not have known took14theteam was banned for bad language, because the monitor would have deleted that comment before Manuel… had a chance to read it even during that time you say you were just reading and not posting. Pants of fire?
You just keep revealing yourself as KARDNOS the more you comment.
Now BACK TO THE TOPIC!!!!
SANTORUM! Can we all give the guy a chance to give a speech?
::::shaking head:::::
Now, if I really was Mr. MultipleMoniker (or Ms. for that matter) do I HAVE to be “kardnos”, other than to satisfy your need to vent your anger for making you look silly on an issue?
Maybe I was another moniker on October 27th. Maybe I was 15 monikers on October 27th. For that matter…did I have a moniker on October 27th???? Monikers are not required for reading.
Muuuuuahahahahaha….only the Shadow knows for sure.
The subject is SANTORUM and I have submitted that SANTORUM LIES during his speeches (as he did the other night in Tacoma) when he says that Obama and the government is trying to make the Catholic Hospitals do something they allegedly oppose. THEY DON’T. They already provide birth control as part of employee health care. THUS….SANTORUM and The Catholic Church are both misleading people. SANTORUM, who this thread is about, IS MISLEADING PEOPLE DURING SPEECHES, just like the one that this thread is about.
NOW BACK TO THE TOPIC….oh..wait…we’re already there.
Since I mentioned this, as part of the topic concerning Rick Santorum, who propogates the lie that the government is taking away church rights and since it is a part of this thread to talk about Rick Santorum….
Did I mention my proof that Catholic Hospitals have been providing birth control for up to 10 years in certain areas, thus the whole outrage over mandatory birth control was a faux issue to gain traction for SANTORUM?
Santorum spoke, again, in Fargo, North Dakota. Tonight. Live on TV. I guess he gets plenty of chances to speak.
Now BACK TO THE TOPIC.
By the way, I loved your link to the I-1183 issue. That was one of my favorite stories to discuss during the election cycle.
ManuelMartini says:
Feb. 15, 2012 at 10:21 pm
I guess I did.
Get it…Martini liked talking about liquor stores?
hahahahsnorthahahasnorthahaha
I thought the subject was rudeness…and I was right.
aislander – no, the subject was First Amendment rights. At least that’s what it was in 2009 when TEA Party activists shouted down Congressional representatives at Town Hall Meetings. Now, we could call that “rude” if you’d like….
Then add to the list the speaking out by Congresspersons at Presidential speeches, Supreme Court Justices, etc.
Republicans are not the only ones that can manipulate the information.
“goodbye cruel blog” is always a temporary terminal disease.
I wonder if the real Tea Party – back in the 18th century – were “rude”.
Semantics is so fun.
I don’t get how adults can overlook rude and boorish behavior with the justification that the other side has done it. It’s really quite simple – you may not agree with the other sides opinion and you might have the right to shout your own opinion over the top of the speaker but that doesn’t mean that it’s appropriate for you to do so.
I, personally, find it abhorrent when either side does it and actually feel myself removing emotional, political, and financial support for a cause when they (or their supporters) engage in such behavior.
“the difference is choice vs mandate.”
The original proposal for individual mandates (I thought mandates were somehow related to the gay marriage thread, but that’s another story) came from the arch-conservative Heritage Foundation:
“[N]either the federal government nor any state requires all households to protect themselves from the potentially catastrophic costs of a serious accident or illness. Under the Heritage plan, there would be such a requirement”
http://healthcarereform.procon.org/sourcefiles/1989_assuring_affordable_health_care_for_all_americans.pdf
I pulled the mandate issue into the thread ehill. Since Santorum’s new toy is being used to beat up Obama and the Health Care Reform Act, I think it’s only fair to expose ALL of the information about the issue.
Santorum came whirling into town to inform the masses and got a facefull of “we don’t care what you have to say”.
I still say that the whole venue choice was all part of an attempt to get national news, to which he failed.
Rude or not, sometimes you get exactly what you deliver. Santorum is enjoying his 15 minutes of fame and should be thankful that there was even a news story about his visit, much less one that allows his base to froth at the mouth a little more.
Commoncents – verbal dispute in public is as old as this country is alive, if not older. It’s probably not the most conducive way to get a point across, and has a polarizing affect, but it’s part of what you get with freedom of speech.
I’ll prefer a little uncomfortable feeling versus being told I have nothing to say.
Just think. If every venue was controlled, people wouldn’t be able to spew their hatred for “Kard”.
No…the subject of the letter is “rudeness.” It’s in the headline.
The “big word” is “Santorum”.
I guess we are allowed to think for ourselves a bit.
aislander @ 11:04 PM
I thought the subject was rudeness…
ManuelKardini @ 11:18 PM
aislander – no, the subject was First Amendment rights
aislander @ 9:34 AM
No…the subject of the letter is “rudeness.” It’s in the headline.
ManuelKardini @ 9:51 AM
The “big word” is “Santorum”.
The “big word” is SANTORUM, followed by “Both sides can be RUDE”
“If every venue was controlled, people wouldn’t be able to spew their hatred for “Kard”.”
“Rude or not, sometimes you get exactly what you deliver.”
Great! LET’S “think for ourselves.” Those of you who wish to pursue the “Santorum” angle are free to do so. Just don’t tell everyone else what the topic “really” is…
Actually, Santorum got a face full of “we’re not going to allow anyone to hear what you have to say…”
Sorta like the opponents of previous generations of brown and black shirts got…
…and that’s not “rudeness:” it’s thuggery.
“Sorta like the opponents of previous generations of brown and black shirts got…”
Ahhh, another victim of Nazi Tourette’s Syndrome.
Sorta like the opponents of previous generations of brown and black shirts got…
….if you pretend that there is no difference between yelling during a speech and beating/killing your opponents
Extra points for trying to sneak a Godwin infraction past us…..And, lest we forget, the Nazis required known homosexuals to wear pink triangles in public, sent them to be “cured” of their homosexuality, before they opted for a final solution along with the Gypsies, Jews and “mental defectives”.
Explain again how a group protesting Santorum’s opposition to same-sex marriage is somehow akin to the Nazis……
That should have read: “…and that’s not ‘rudeness’: it’s thuggery.
beerBoy: Are you suggesting seriously that shouting down speakers as a matter of tactics is NOT fascistic?
These people were not yelling about anything that Santorum was saying or not saying, but for the sole purpose of drowning him out and disrupting the event…
As for the differences between shouting down opponents and beating and killing them…well, you believe in evolution, don’t you, beerBoy?
“Sorta like the opponents of previous generations of brown and black shirts got…”
WOW!!!!!!!!!
Anyone remember when Brian Baird said “brownshirts”??????
from “rightwingpundits”…
“It’s okay in the eyes of the media for left wing groups like MoveOn.org to compare President Bush to Hitler, for Nancy Pelosi, Al Gore and Brian Baird to associate anyone who disagrees with them to Hitler’s brown shirts; but let a right wing group or person compare the left with fascism or Nazism and all hell breaks loose.”
They even got “Al Gore” in the mix. LOL
Here is an example of when they REALLY went nuts, complete with the veteran, who suddenly rant for Congress (as if THAT wasn’t planned?)
http://www.freedomslighthouse.com/2009/08/disabled-marine-veteran-reminds-dem-rep.html
The rhetoric by the veteran is right from the GOP handbook.
“suddenly ran” not “rant”….although I may have been right the first time.
I wasn’t talking about people, I was characterizing behavior. BIG difference!
I think Baird was “characterizing behavior”
“Congressman Brian Baird didn’t pull punches. “What we’re seeing right now is close to Brown Shirt tactics,” the Washington Democrat told a newspaper reporter.”
Again. Facts are better than allegation.
MM,
You *were* right the first time.
ehillkardy – *smile*
Hey, when do I get my KardyKard ™?
I hear that next year’s convention will be held at CenturyLink in Seattle because we’ve outgrown Cheney. Is that true?
beerBoy: Are you suggesting seriously that shouting down speakers as a matter of tactics is NOT fascistic?
Nice try at a backtrack.
But seriously dude….have a little respect for words. They were loud and rude. For you to equate that to being fascistic is just absurd.
ManuelMartini – These folks have no desire for public debate nor were they trying to get any point across other than attempting to prevent Santorum from speaking. They don’t agree with his social platform (and neither do I) so they want to shout so loud that he can’t communicate it to others.
Tell me – if what they had to say was so important then why didn’t they say it outside of the venue? Are you going to tell me that the voices of protestors OUTSIDE wouldn’t be equally heard? Really?
The only people who are limiting free speech are the ones who are shouting and/or creating a large enough ruckus so that the message of the speaker is not being heard.
commoncents said, “…why didn’t they say it outside of the venue?”
The venue itself was outside.
Repeatedly shouting down speakers in multiple venues as a matter of tactics IS fascistic, beerBoy, which only lends weight to the fact that fascism is a left-wing creature…
“Repeatedly shouting down speakers in multiple venues as a matter of tactics IS fascistic”
No it isn’t – it’s rude. People of all political stripes do it. Good lord, how pathetic.
No we don’t, ehill. We either avoid venues where there are sure to be crowds of smelly lefties (i.e.: occupy dumps), or we listen respectfully until we discern that we are not being respected (i.e.: town hall meetings held by statist politicians).
We assuredly DO NOT seek out lefty events for the sole purpose of drowning out lefty speakers from bell to bell, as you guys do with OUR events…
The fascist black shirts and Nazi brown shirts, by the way, were not government employees, but rather “students,” union people, and assorted riff-raff, allegedly motivated by love for their fellow man, wanting only the best for him, which, by their lights, was an enormous, intrusive state.
Their m.o. was to disrupt meetings of their opponents, first by shouting, then by throwing things, and finally moving on to breaking their bones. You folks are mostly only in stage one, but I’m sure you’ll move on to bigger and better mayhem…
Tea partiers shouting down Congresspeople in town hall meetings. Republicans yelling at the President in the very halls of Congress. Tea partiers saying they want to hang a US Senator. None of that ever happened. I can’t honestly tell if you’re delusional or deliberately deceptive.
“Their m.o. was to disrupt meetings of their opponents, first by shouting, then by throwing things, and finally moving on to breaking their bones. You folks are mostly only in stage one, but I’m sure you’ll move on to bigger and better mayhem…”
Thanks for proving this to be true: In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response.
aislander – Wow, you have gone downhill on this fascist fascination. Trying to pathetically link some protestors to Nazi thugs and assassins is beyond belief. Do you actually believe this tripe? And then trying to throw out the tired but wrong bleat “fascist as left wing creatures”? Dude, I used to somewhat respect your arguments but this is simply absurd! Are you on medications?!
The fascist black shirts and Nazi brown shirts, by the way, were not government employees, but rather “students,” union people, and assorted riff-raff, allegedly motivated by love for their fellow man, wanting only the best for him, which, by their lights, was an enormous, intrusive state.
Nice reinvention of history…..somehow you left the Freikorps out of your list.
Seriously overreaching….how, in the world, do you expect anyone to take your claim that Occupy is a paramilitary organization?
Italy’s use of the Arditi, an elite shock troop not that dissimilar to the later German Freikorps, was a severe and important influence on Fascism. The Arditi were nationalistic soldiers who were specifically trained for violence and who wore black shirt uniforms and fezzes. In the political chaos of post-war Italy, in November 1918 the Arditi formed the ‘Associazione fra gli Arditi d’Italia’ , which alarmingly by 1919 had over 20,000 members.
http://smnmcshannon.hubpages.com/hub/World-One-War-The-Rise-of-Fascism
The People’s Army (Volkssturm) Sauerland has its historical roots in the formation of “Freikorps Sauerland” in the 1920′s. The “Free Corps” (Freikorps) was a military force of World War I veterans who served to quell uprisings in Germany following the Nation’s defeat in 1918. Units were formed throughout Germany in an effort keep order in a country deprived of international support and reeling from heavy unemployment. The beginnings of the Freikorps eventually lead to the militarization of the National Socialist Party in the early 1920′s leading to the creation of the Storm Troopers (Sturmabteilung-SA) or “brown shirts” as they were often called.
http://hjandvolksturm.devhub.com/blog/473086-freikorps-sauerland-volkssturm/
Seriously aislander….the stuff you believe ::::::::shaking his head:::::::
ManuelMartini
Feb. 15, 2012 at 10:05 pm
Yeah…much more respect. LOL Then there are the people who use someone’s personal name for phoney email addresses to register….
Please tell me Larry P Hill how you would know that ? Is the TNT giving out personal information about posters on here or are you the hacker that you told us about that you had to warn the TNT about?
It is interesting how you have said that you have an IN with the TNT.
I say BEWARE other posters on here, MMHill, just might be stalking you and the TNT is allowing him to.
beerBoy: The so-called black shirts–the squadristi–who supported Mussolini wore their black turtlenecks in emulation of the troops you describe, and were Fascist-party faithful, NOT necessarily government employees, and, since they were agitating against the existing order, were certainly not doing so with the approval of the government. This is not to say that former soldiers (“assorted riff-raff”)were not involved, but they certainly weren’t the only ones. And after all, OWS is happily spotlighting alleged Iraq, Afghanistan, and Vietnam vets in its midst.
The Fascists were revolutionaries before they ran things in Italy…
Nice near miss!
And ehill: I merely said I thought the tactics of lefty protesters were fascistic. Your comments on that caused that avenue to be further traveled–which I don’t deny being happy to do!
Damnit!
Did they close this time?
Abject apologies…
Go to the blackboard and write one hundred times:
I will close the italics command.
I will close the italics command.
I will close the italics command.
I will close the italics command.
I will close the italics command.
I think I discovered the problem, but, since the html commands disappear, I’m not completely certain.
I touch-type and I think I sometimes transpose the slash and the “i” inside the brackets. I WILL pay particular attention to doing that in future…
…or, perhaps, NOT doing that…
I sometimes miss the second shift command so it reads </i.
And then post without proof-reading.
“I merely said I thought the tactics of lefty protesters were fascistic.”
The latest trend from the real fascists is to accuse the left of being fascists.
We never accused anyone involved in the current debate of being fascists–that’s what lefties do, which is ironic since fascism is a creature of the left.
We merely observed that certain tactics are similar to tactics used by the Italian socialists of the early twentieth century, but if the shoe fits…