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GOP: Party at odds with most Americans

Letter by Mark L. Litchman, Olympia on Jan. 18, 2012 at 12:36 pm with 210 Comments »
January 18, 2012 12:36 pm

Like apple pie, most Americans accept the following laws as American:

Social Security
40-hour work week
Child labor laws
Fair Housing (FHA)
Civil Rights
Public Education
Public Works
No teaching of religion in public schools

When these laws were introduced, the GOP opposed all of them. Is this the party you favor and want to join/support? Why?

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  1. tree_guy says:

    Most Americans would agree that the following things were bad:

    World War I
    World War II
    The Korean War
    The War in Vietnam

    When American was entered into these conflicts a Democrat was in the White House.

    Is this a party you want to join/support?

  2. aislander says:

    Congressional Republicans voted for the 1964 Civil Rights Act in greater proportion than did Democrats, and the act would not have passed without their support, in spite of the fact that Congress was then controlled by Democrats.

    The act itself was first proposed by the Eisenhower administration.

    Mark L. Litchman is a liar.

  3. aislander says:

    I would like to see citations for the allegation that Republicans opposed public education and public infrastructure (opposing WPA, etc. is not the same thing)…

    As for the other allegations, they are complex and cannot be addressed with slogans, as Litchman tries to do…

  4. ManuelMartini says:

    “Congressional Republicans voted for the 1964 Civil Rights Act in greater proportion than did Democrats, and the act would not have passed without their support, in spite of the fact that Congress was then controlled by Democrats.”

    And when the DIXIEcrats (aka Southern Democrats) didn’t like the outcome of civil rights they became__________ (fill in the blank with a word starting with “R” and ending with “n”)

    It’s not a lie when you just edit the truth.

  5. Woodrow Wilson (D) tried to keep America out of World War I, and succeeded in postponing U.S. entry into the war for almost three years.

    As regards WW-II, the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor. FDR (D) didn’t really have much of a choice did he? (Rumor has it that most of the Japanese at that time were Imperialist Republicans.)

    The attacks by North Korea on South Korea were seen as a proxy effort by China and the USSR to extend the influence of communist states. The United Nations condemned the invasion, the U.S. and other U.N. members sent forces to assist the South. Truman (D) did not send U.S. troops in alone, they were part of a U.N. Coalition Force.

    And, as regards Vietnam, President Eisenhower (R) sent the first U.S. Military advisers to Viet Nam to establish the Military Assistance and Advisory Group – Vietnam (MAAGV) which soon became the Military Assistance Command Vietnam (MACV)

    Yah, I got no problem with what any of these guys did, except for maybe Eisenhower (R).

  6. sandblower says:

    tree-guy obviously does not want to support democracy when he takes democratic presidents to task for supporting the wars he mentions. We could argue that Vietnam was a mistake, but the other three would be fairly difficult. Where are you tree-guy?

  7. Fibonacci says:

    Tree_Guy
    Pretty lame response. A Democrat was IN the White House when these wars started versus Republikans Child Labor, Oublic Education, Social Security (and they STILL hate it)and so on, and you think the average citizen would think the Democrats are worse? Yes, the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor, but of course, if a REPUBLIKAN had been in the White House they would have refrained right? Weak weak thinking.

  8. Fibonacci says:

    OK OK, I can’t type. That would be Republikans AGAINST Child Labor, Public Education . . .

  9. aislander says:

    So…the Dixiecrats didn’t like the outcome (passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964), so they joined the party that made passage possible?

    They were opposed to enforcement of civil rights laws, so they joined the party of the administration that used the National Guard to enforce Brown v Board of Education?

    Bit of a stretch…

  10. P.S. I am not a Democrat, as I have said before on these blogs. But, seems to me like Democratic Presidents have done quite a good job at defending America and preserving democracy.

  11. sandblower says:

    Just wait until Republicans learn about the President’s decision on the XL pipeline if you want to see some crazy responses similar to the one’s being posted by those on the extreme right on this page. On January 3, 2012 53% of Americans supported the pipeline. All that means is that 53% of Americans were misguided to one extent or another. That’s all.
    Most Americans will come to learn that the decision was sound just like the decisions listed in Mr. Litchman’s letter. The exceptions will be those on the far extreme right whose vision of what is best for this country and the world is far too narrow.

  12. I noticed none of the Republican supporters debated the facts Mark wrote. But instead brought what might be considered faults of the other party. Although going into WWII is hard to debate. I mean really we were attacked. At least we went after the country that attacked us then and not a country that didn’t I.E. Iraq. Every Republican Senator voted against the Rebuild America Act that would have rebuilt our infrastructure and added living wage jobs. They have always opposed the Fed’s participation in Public Education. Two of the five Republican candidates favor eliminating the Dept. of Education.

    As for Eisenhower, he would be considered a Democrat now days. With quotes like this he would be. Too bad the Republicans of then are all but gone. Here is his quote “Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes you can do these things. Among them are H. L. Hunt (you possibly know his background), a few other Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or business man from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid.”

    Letter to Edgar Newton Eisenhower, his brother (8 November 1954)

  13. ManuelMartini says:

    By 1952, southern Democrats had concluded that they could exercise more influence through the Democratic Party and therefore returned to the fold. They remained in the Democratic fold, restive, until the candidacy of Republican conservative Barry Goldwater liberated them in 1964 by refreshing some of the Dixiecrat ideologies and therefore accelerated the transition from a solid South for the Democrats to one for the Republicans. Strom Thurmond switched to the Republican Party that year and remained there until his death in December 2003.

    These history lessons always get in the way of the myth spinners.

  14. tree_guy says:

    Well, if the Democrats want to take credit for the 40 hour workweek, social security and many other “beneficial” programs, then they will also have to take credit for the many unintended consequences of these programs. Government interference in the marketplace has resulted in the outsourcing of millions of “American” jobs to foreign locations.

    I wonder how many unemployed Americans are enjoying their 40 hour workweek?

  15. aislander- You need to take a history lesson. Back in the 1950’s and 1960’s the Republican Party was vastly different than it is now. You need to research the members of Congress who were in office back then. The Republican Party included liberals as far to the left as Senator Javits of New York, who ran on both the Republican and Liberal parties in New York State.

    When President Johnson promoted the civil rights laws’ passage, the southern Democrats abandoned the Democratic Party and hijacked the Republican Party. It was to do since there was really not opposition to any of those Congressmen. If you were alive and watched the news and read you’d know how the parties’ positions changed over the years. The Republican Party of today does not support any of the programs and positions of the party of the 1950’s and 1960’s.

  16. ManuelMartini says:

    ” Government interference in the marketplace has resulted in the outsourcing of millions of “American” jobs to foreign locations.
    I wonder how many unemployed Americans are enjoying their 40 hour workweek?”

    Now THERE is a patriot for you. The justification for outsourcing jobs is Americans are paid TOO WELL.

    Funny how the profiteers love the money that Americans spend on their product manufactured overseas, but complain about the wages paid to the same people that are their market.

    How many of those 10 cents/hour laborers in Viet Nam are purchasing goods sold in America?

  17. ManuelMartini says:

    If certain people had it their way, the unemployed Americans due to outsourcing, wouldn’t be paid their unemployment insurance benefits either.

  18. tree_guy says:

    “The justification for outsourcing jobs is Americans are paid TOO WELL.” Kardini

    Read more here: http://blog.thenewstribune.com/letters/2012/01/18/choosing-a-presidential-candidate/#comments#storylink=cpy

    I’ll give you an economics primer. Corporations exist to create profit for their shareholders. Shareholders elect boards of directors who study the market for their products. They generally choose production and pricing which will maximize profit. This profit is passed through to the stockholders who pay income taxes or capital gains taxes which support many wonderful programs like the 99 weeks of unemployment. They are under no obligation to produce in the US. However, you have the unfettered right to set up your own production facility and pay people as much as you want. America is the land of opportunity. What are you doing to employ your fellow Americans? Or is that someone elses job?

  19. ManuelMartini says:

    “I’ll give you an economics primer. Corporations exist to create profit for their shareholders.”

    I’ll give you one. When there are no people left to sell to, because there is no employment, the shareholders have nothing, as there are no sales to be made. Ask a realtor how much they are enjoying people taking pay cuts right now.

    Only the truly ignorant would hunt a species to extinction and the same would be said about those who remove their market from their ability to sell, in the name of “higher profits”.

    By the way, your “kardy” obsession is showing. That must make you the same person as “Vox”, “LF” “Took”, “Aislander”, et al

  20. ManuelMartini says:

    “They are under no obligation to produce in the US. However, you have the unfettered right to set up your own production facility and pay people as much as you want.”

    I might suggest that you install a snow plow on the front of your vehicle so that the government employees you seek to eliminate don’t have to plow the streets today to keep you from complaining about your comforts and services.

    When you become your own road crew, emergency crew, firefighters, police and so forth, I’ll start a company. Meanwhile, your tired old rhetoric is getting rather old.

    I wonder what the rental rates would be of commercial real estate if there were no improvements – roads, utilities, emergency response….

    People could save tons of money on rents, thus sell their products for less and still profit and then the people that don’t have jobs because of outsourcing can still afford to buy things.

    Yep. Like that guy in New York says “the rent is too damned high”

  21. ManuelMartini says:

    Oh…and with that snow plow – provide services for your clients.

    A new profit source!

  22. taxedenoughintacoma says:

    Who let an Olympia liberal kool-aid drinker have ink here?

    Your fired!

  23. yabetchya says:

    Oh…and with that snow plow – provide services for your clients.
    A new profit source!

    Actually, my husband is doing that right now. Plowing the neighbors drives and back roads. Not asking for a penny.
    But, I bet if the county and city guys who do the plowing found out, he probably would get fined or something, you know taking away a union job…for free even !

  24. aislander says:

    Services that benefit everyone are not the same as transfers to specific groups or individuals, therefore many government services (police, fire, street maintenance, etc.) are not socialistic.

    It is a red herring to bring those up as being things that conservatives oppose…

    Beyond which, the Federal government is not generally responsible for local services, and that argument is usually brought up to attempt to counter calls for cuts in FEDERAL spending…

  25. ManuelMartini says:

    “Your fired!”

    My what?

  26. ManuelMartini says:

    “Actually, my husband is doing that right now. Plowing the neighbors drives and back roads. Not asking for a penny.”

    I’d love to see how that translates to hundreds and thousands of miles of roadways to keep our economy and services out of gridlock. Hubby might get tired of filling up the truck at $3.59 a gallon and decide that his time is worth something.

  27. ManuelMartini says:

    “Beyond which, the Federal government is not generally responsible for local services, and that argument is usually brought up to attempt to counter calls for cuts in FEDERAL spending… ”

    Ah yes, change the goal posts from state to federal. OK, I’ll play.

    Who is going to administrate and pay for all those defense toys, without a government and a revenue source? Who is going to manage the lands and keep them from being pillaged by the private entity that has the most immediate funding? Do I need to continue?

  28. aislander says:

    “Back in the 1950′s and 1960′s the Republican Party was vastly different than it is now…”

    The same could be said of the Democrats. Scoop Jackson and JFK were staunch anticommunists, and stood for strong national defense, while many of today’s congressional Dems make pilgrimages to Havana and support the Sandinistas in Nicaragua. JFK was a tax cutter who reduced the top marginal rate (you know, the rate the “one percent” pays) while most contemporary Dems haven’t met a tax increase they would oppose.

    JFK was a “one percenter,” too…

  29. aislander says:

    So…which came first: the economy or the government?

    I maintain that the government could not exist without an economy to pillage, but the economy would still exist without the government.

    I am not saying the we don’t need government to make society safe and to promote commerce, but we have gone far beyond THAT point. We need to turn this around and fast.

    Government needs to be limited in what it can do and it needs to take far less out of the economy that supports it…

  30. sandblower says:

    “Government needs to be limited in what it can do and it needs to take far less out of the economy that supports it…”
    Like staying out of a woman’s private affairs and somehow exist on taxes that are at a 60 year low point?

  31. ManuelMartini says:

    How can you continue to make “government” the scapegoat for both sides of the equation – lack of service and cost of funding?

    “Scoop Jackson and JFK were staunch anticommunists”

    Yeah? Based on the economic principles of communism or based on the “threat” of war?

    JFK’s dealings with communism had to do with the Big Red Scare of the USSR and nuclear firepower.

    What I’d love to see is who the conservatives claim among the Democrats that they will say do not oppose communism today. Let the namecalling begin!

  32. aislander says:

    The “economic principles of communism” being arrant nonsense, it would have to be that other thingy…

  33. aislander says:

    Taxes are at a sixty-year low (as a percentage of GDP, I presume you mean, since rates are NOT at a sixty-year low. Hey! Doesn’t that show that rates and revenues are two quite unrelated things?) because the economy is in such straits. When economic activity declines, revenues decline…

  34. aislander
    JAN. 18, 2012 AT 12:53 PM
    “I would like to see citations for the allegation that ”

    aislander, you have NO RIGHT to ask others to provide citations for their facts, as YOU NEVER PROVIDE CITATIONS for your own.

  35. if you like gov’t in your bedroom,
    gov’t in your doctors office,
    war on drugs,
    islamophobia,
    homophobia,
    bigotry,
    trickle-down economics,
    war-mongering,
    voter disenfranchisement,
    entitlement vilification….
    vote republican

  36. Bottom line: Dems won’t change; Republicans same; they have not learned what my kids are learning in grade school…Compromise!

  37. aislander DEFLECTS with, “I maintain that the government could not exist without an economy to pillage, but the economy would still exist without the government.”

    Maintain that aislander, of course you could be correct, EXCEPT that with this attitude we would probably all be speaking German and throwing our right hand up with a Sieg Heil salute.

    But hey, YOU GOT ANY PROOF! References? Attributions? Anything that can lend any credibility to your silly comments?

  38. concernedtacoma7 says:

    “gov’t in your doctors office” Obamacare put patients out of the doctor’s office.

    “voter disenfranchisement” The evil ID laws that dems claim minorities are incapable of getting? Overt racism.

    “trickle-down economics” Largest expansion economic expansion in our history.

    “entitlement vilification” Welfare reform? Ending the freeloading??

    “bigotry” Old argument. False. Default argument when facts get in the way.

    “islamophobia” being honest about terrorism? Not hiding behind political correctness.

  39. ManuelMartini says:

    “gov’t in your doctors office” Obamacare put patients out of the doctor’s office.”

    False statement.

    The health care reform legislation made health care insurance available to millions of people who didn’t have it before.

  40. ManuelMartini says:

    “The “economic principles of communism” being arrant nonsense, it would have to be that other thingy…”

    Since communism is a economic principle, it is evident that aislander is in way over this head and is no turning to deflection.

  41. aislander says:

    Communism is framed as an economic theory, the principles of which ARE arrant nonsense. It is useful to some, however, as a Sorelian myth that can be used to move the credulous to action…

  42. took14theteam says:

    Wow, this thread was easy to to read. Look at the “monikers” and skim on past the comments, cause BTDT.

    The snow must have kept those Thurston Co. (old) peeps inside longer than Normal…

  43. took14theteam says:

    That goes for the letter writer too. Must have been snow bound because that letter should not have made the light of day.

    Or to use the words of Publico/Blower

    You Sir are wrong.

  44. taxedenoughintacoma says:

    I hope voters don’t forget that it was every democrat in 2011 that cut the school budgets to the bone. Every GOP member in the legislature voted NO. Dems for kids? Ask Kilmer and Seaquist why they cut schools in the Peninsula District by over $$$2.4 Million but voted to fund social programs for the undocuments illegals in this state.

  45. GHTaxPayer says:

    Democrats are the party of Food Stamps, Runaway Deficits and Cutting School Funding.
    Republicans are the party of Balanced Budgets, Lower Taxes and Private Sector Jobs.

    Only an idiot(liberal) would vote Democrat.

  46. sandblower says:

    “The broadest measure of the tax rate is total federal revenues divided by the gross domestic product.

    By this measure, federal taxes are at their lowest level in more than 60 years.”
    That’s what I meant. Raise the rates on those most able to pay and the disparity goes away for the most part.

  47. ManuelMartini says:

    Theory – Principle.

    Rhetoric roulette is on!

  48. ManuelMartini says:

    GHTaxpayer is surrounded by idiots. Washington State majority and the majority of the Presidential votes in 2008.

    I wonder if a ticket to Mississippi would be a nice gift for someone who has suffer so much.

    Of course, there is also the possibility that the observation is strictly reflective.

    I remember how well the Republicans balanced the budget from 2001 through 2006 when they held all three houses (and the Supremes). It seems to me that was the time when “runaway deficit” really took off. All that war fun, and no money to pay for it.

    Lower taxes? Yep. Even if you can’t pay the bills, you lower taxes, at least on the rich.

    Private sector jobs. Hmmm….it seems that those provide a great talking point, but despite tax cuts for 10 years, the job creators can’t create doodly squat.

  49. tommy98466 says:

    You know ManualMartini…if a private company ran that snow plow there would be many more of them out there doing the same work for less money. All of the streets would be plowed instead of just those that run in front of the liberal politicians homes and public offices. You are some pathetic liberal cheerleader.

  50. ManuelMartini says:

    took14 – and let me guess. Muckibr and I are the same person – “Kardy”, right?

    Glad to see that you’re not obsessed with the same old, same old.

  51. aislander
    JAN. 18, 2012 AT 6:03 PM
    I am living rent-free in my stalker’s head…

    Only a very juvenile mind could make such an off topic comment as this.

  52. “the Dixiecrats didn’t like the outcome (passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964), so they joined the party that made passage possible?”

    No, they joined the party that courted them with its southern strategy.

    aislander is a liar.

  53. “I wonder how many unemployed Americans are enjoying their 40 hour workweek?”

    Unemployment would be MUCH lower if only we could go back to the 72 hour work week at 50 cents an hour. LOL

  54. “Who let an Olympia liberal kool-aid drinker have ink here?”

    When you can’t refute the message, call people names.

  55. “many of today’s congressional Dems make pilgrimages to Havana and support the Sandinistas in Nicaragua.”

    Unlike wrong-wing God Ronald Reagan, who sold arms to the Ayatollahs in order to fund his own pet terrorists in Latin America, and who called the Taliban “the moral equivalent of our founding fathers”.

    Pardon me, but your extreme hypocrisy is showing.

  56. ““gov’t in your doctors office” Obamacare put patients out of the doctor’s office.” == ROFLMAO, you wrong-wingers need to get your stories straight. The biggest wrong-wing complaint is that covering more people will lead to an INCREASE in the the patient count. Thanks for such a great laugh!

  57. ManuelMartini says:

    oh wait. ehill and muckibr are me. Sorry ehill, I overlooked you. It was probably your kardy suit.

  58. ManuelMartini says:

    “You know ManualMartini…if a private company ran that snow plow there would be many more of them out there doing the same work for less money. All of the streets would be plowed instead of just those that run in front of the liberal politicians homes and public offices. You are some pathetic liberal cheerleader.”

    Tommy must have missed the brigade of snow plows on I-5 North today when I ran to the bank and store. I don’t think any of the liberal policians live on I-5.

    What is stopping the ‘private sector’ snow plows from cranking up the old motor and hanging out their shingle saying “snow plow for hire”?

    Nothing other than the smarts to do it.

    They could make as much money as they’d like…but…but…but…

  59. Gingrich: Blacks Should Demand Paychecks Not Food Stamps

    Republican presidential candidate Newt Gingrich said Thursday he is willing to go before the NAACP and urge blacks to demand paychecks, not food stamps.

    http://nation.foxnews.com/newt-gingrich/2012/01/06/newt-african-american-community-should-demand-pay-checks-and-not-be-satisfied-food-stamps

  60. ManuelMartini says:

    Yeah, muckibr, old Newt should have stuck to talking about his half million dollar line of credit at Tiffany’s. It would get him in less trouble.

    What about the white people with food stamps?

  61. aislander says:

    No “rhetoric,” MM. Communism makes no sense as an economic model. How much more clearly can I put it? It fails to provide anything for anyone unfortunate to be imprisoned under it…

  62. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Funny, Kerry’s money was not an issue. How about the left’s hero, JFK. Billionaire!!! 1%!!!! He must of hated/abused the poor. He didn’t even earn it.

    So Newt buys jewelry. Who cares? Why is that a bad thing? BHO made millions on fiction novels. 1%er!!!! Hasn’t spend his own money in so long he joked that his credit card may not work. With his love of spending money, very odd. Guess he only likes to spend the 47%er’s money.

    For the record I do not like Newt, but go after him on substance, not a BS race card or failed marriages. Jobs are better than food stamps. True statement.

  63. concernedtacoma7 says:

    “Tommy must have missed the brigade of snow plows on I-5 North”

    brigade? PS is famous for terrible snow removal. No salt (thanks eco-wackos). Few plows. Stops all commerce. In 2008 Fedex stop delivering in Seattle for days. It is embarrassing and another failure of our local, county, and state govt.

  64. concernedtacoma7 says:

    In response to the Obamacare replies, there are less people insured today than 2 years ago. There are less people privately insured.

    So yes, he is keeping people out of the doctor’s office.

  65. concernedtacoma7 says:

    To clarify less privately insured and in gross (pub and private) insured personnel.

    Sorry for the multiple posts. Very kard-like of me.

  66. When Did the GOP Lose Touch With Reality?

    by Republican insider, David Frum

    http://nymag.com/news/politics/conservatives-david-frum-2011-11/

  67. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Why does anyone still support BHO and want 4 more years of this economy and a country divided?

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/01/now_we_know_who_was_right_about_obama.html

    “his leadership as toxically divisive to our country.”

  68. harleyrider1 says:

    I am an American. I am a Marine. I am not a registered member of any political party. I’d like to think I look at each candidate, read their history of how people should be treated; their history of compromise (it’s necessary); if they believe in a balanced budget; and if they put our Country first and party second.

    Everyone should be heard. Everyone should contribute, and then we should act perhaps not always in what’s best for us, but what is best for the Country.

    Both parties have had leaders that have done their best; no man sets out to fail. Yet, there comes a period in history where it is best to stop and rebuild. Now is the time. I urge all of us to look at the individuals we vote in this year. Vote for the person, not the party.

  69. “Why does anyone still support BHO and want 4 more years of this economy and a country divided?”

    Have you been watching any of the circus that is made up of the Republican candidates this year?

    The GOP Candidates have have lost touch with reality as written by David Frum, and are completely out of touch with America. As harleyrider says, “look at the individuals.” Those guys are nuts! With the possible exception of Ron Paul, who the GOP will never allow to be their candidate!

  70. ManuelMartini says:

    concernedtacoma7 –

    yes, brigade. There were at least 10 snow plows working in sync on I-5 between milepost 99 and 104, where there was a serious icing and rut problem

    Of course, you’d have to have been there to know. I was. You weren’t. This demonstrates what takes place on these forums constantly – conservatives blowing their mouths with no support data.

    On the “BHO economy yadda” comment – Why would Obama’s relection sustain the poor economy for four more years? Are the conservatives telling us what we already know….that there is a false control going on to make Obama look bad and if business doesn’t get “their man”, they’ll continue to strangle the country?

  71. ManuelMartini says:

    “Funny, Kerry’s money was not an issue.”

    The conservative certainly complained about it. Those people who say that capitalism is good.

  72. ManuelMartini says:

    “To clarify less privately insured and in gross (pub and private) insured personnel.”

    There is no public insurance other than medicare and medicaid

  73. menopaws says:

    Tough time to be a Republican……..Lowest unemployment numbers in FOUR years released today…….Stock market soaring…….Obama has now gone from being a “socialist” to a “crony capitalist”—–cracks me up……A bunch of losers on the House floor arguing about cutting funds to “Big Bird”………Here is their problem—they can whine and complain all they want—but they are being abandoned by their own base…….Solid Republicans who are truly fed up with them……..I know a few of those people and they all tell me they are downright angry and ashamed of what has happened to their party………They moved toooo far to the right and look more like the Taliban than Republicans……..Social issues don’t win elections—people do NOT like government intruding into their bedrooms or family decisions……..And, this balanced budget amendment crap is more smoke and mirrors–meant to distract from their incompetence at governing anything……..Watching Newt and his “racist code ” speeches is just shameful……Romney upsets them because he’s Mormon—but an adulterer. or a liar, or a TV star capitalist all represent their “dreams”………Really pretty pathetic to most thinking people.

  74. “Why does anyone still support BHO and want 4 more years of this economy”

    The stock market is up.
    The GDP is up.
    Unemployment is down.

  75. “Few plows. Stops all commerce. In 2008 Fedex stop delivering in Seattle for days. It is embarrassing and another failure of our local, county, and state govt.”

    LOL – so one of the wrong-wingers who thinks government is too big wants government to get bigger and buy more plows. How embarrassing for you.

  76. “In response to the Obamacare replies, there are less people insured today than 2 years ago. There are less people privately insured.”

    And that, of course, has NOTHING to do with the recession causing people being laid off from jobs that have health care coverage. Move along, nothing to see here.

  77. pantomancer says:

    This is a real spectator sport.

    I’ve read Mark’s letters before. Unfortunately he tends to be a little hyperbolic. It’s unfortunate because it makes having a real discussion difficult.

  78. No “rhetoric,” MM. Communism makes no sense as an economic model. How much more clearly can I put it? It fails to provide anything for anyone unfortunate to be imprisoned under it…

    The Soviet Union and its satellites are gone. “Communist” China is capitalist now. Cuba is softening under Fidel’s brother. That leads only North Korea as a hard core communist country.

    Why do you persist to fight against past demons?

  79. “That leaves only NK….” not “leads”

  80. brigade? PS is famous for terrible snow removal. No salt (thanks eco-wackos). Few plows. Stops all commerce. In 2008 Fedex stop delivering in Seattle for days. It is embarrassing and another failure of our local, county, and state govt.

    So…government waste and bad budgeting a huge issue to you – except on those rare snow storms that don’t happen every year and you are inconvenienced.

    btw – around Lake Tahoe they used to extensively use salt, which killed the trees, which led to fires, which led to loss of private property……damn eco-wackos trying to save private citizens from loss.

  81. With all of the GOP attacks on Romney’s wealth you gotta wonder just who is really the Party of class warfare….

  82. How soon you all forget. JFK made a deal with LBJ to put him on the ticket as Vice=President in exchange for “Johnson to deliver the South.”

  83. Olemeg, I doubt anyone forgot that. That’s just the way politics at that level works. LBJ was still a Democrat. It might have been different if say: McCain (R) had made Lieberman (D) his VP running mate like he really wanted to, instead of Palin (R).

  84. alindasue says:

    To restate GHTaxpayer’s words:
    Only an idiot (or a extremely lazy person) would vote [fill in your favorite political party here].

    After wading through 83 comments of whose party is worse than whose, I have come to the conclusion that the problem is not the parties themselves, but the people who are hung up on voting for or against them. This is exactly the same attitude that has given us a nearly do-nothing gridlocked congress these last two years.

    Political parties are great for people with similar ideals to come together for shared fundraising purposes, but that’s where it should end. Once a person is elected into office, his or her job is to work representing and serving our country and the people of the district he or she represents. Period.

    Our job as voters is to look at the pool of candidates and issues and vote for the individuals and issues that best serve our needs and the needs of our communities. To narrow our focus and research down to such petty details like who belongs to what party and voting strictly along party lines just because that party is “best” or “worse” is just plain laziness that does a disservice to our country and our fellow citizens.

    We don’t need the party against party gridlock in our forums and we certainly don’t need it in this country. Stand back; look at all the candidates; then decide which INDIVIDUALS will best serve the people of our country.

  85. philichi says:

    Gridlock is great. Look what happens without it. $800 billion stimulus package, Obama care, and every other silly left wing idea.

    I pray for gridlock!

  86. alindasue says:

    philichi,

    Are you saying that only “left wing ideas” are capable of getting through when our legislators work together in session discussing issues rather than quibbling partisan politics?

    I highly doubt that.

  87. Then you must be praying to the Three Stooges of Gridlock: McConnell, Boehner and Cantor.

    Good grief! No wonder The Left are called Progressives, because the Right is clearly Regressive!

  88. aislander says:

    alindasue: It’s very easy for a politician to vote to spend other people’s money. It is very easy to promise MORE! MORE! MORE!, but difficult, in the face of interest groups, to cut specific programs and transfer payments.

    So, yes, left-wing ideas are much more capable of “getting through” Congress…

  89. aislander says:

    beerBoy: The question of communism arose because one the lefties on the forum objected to a casual aspersion I cast at that monstrosity. He actually thought it was a valid economic theory! Imagine that!

  90. BlaineCGarver says:

    Mark L.L. is in no way factual. The ‘Crats are running this next race on Class, and Racial warfare…..don’t buy into it. (ie; Civil Rights NEEDED Republician votes to pass way back when)

  91. concernedtacoma7 says:

    If unemployment was counted the same way it was in 2008, we would have over 10%. BHO changed the definition and the suckers are buying it.

    Perhaps there was some genius in giving people 2 years of unemployment. After sitting on their collective butts for so long they no longer have the motivation to go seek employment. Great plan to get dems elected, terrible for our economy and future.

  92. you bunch of smart people…. gov’t in your doctors office is a reference womens’ health care.
    to the christian counselors that states are forcing people to see.
    states want into your doctors office and are requiring doctors to read from a script regardless of patient need. forcing medically unnecessary procedures on women before they can be helped. requiring ultra sounds and 72 hour waits for patients in need.
    oh and your candidates want to outlaw birth control.
    and your rights cease if you arent attracted to whom they prefer you to be. a removal of rights based upon my perfectly legal and normal bedroom activities?
    that’s big gov’t in my doctors office. and my bedroom.
    big government republicans…

  93. aislander says:

    It seems to me, jellee, that Obamacare puts “big government” in doctors’ offices…

  94. and on a different topic… what ever happened to job training?
    you dont want people to sit on their tush and get paid unemployment benefits (which are earned through taxes and previous employment; and unlike welfare which is for the children and not the parents)? make them go to job training.
    my dad got started in his business because of job training in the ’70s while on unemployment.
    why has this stopped?
    if you are training, you are in the habit of getting up and being proactive (for newt).
    if you are training, you will then be more attractive to potential employers.
    if we are training the least skilled among us, then we as a whole are better equipped to contribute to, and take advantage of, the world economy.

  95. aislander — there is no such thing as “obamacare”
    health care reform, however, provides access to the doctors office to millions and millions of people.
    the cost went up 1% last year. while paying for millions of people.
    dems simply allow patients a way to get into the doctors office.

  96. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Cost went up with less people going to the doctor (insured people).

    Dems allow patients a way to go to the doctor’s office without paying their ‘fair share’.

  97. aislander says:

    jellee writes: “…there is no such thing as “obamacare…”

    I fervently hope that will be the case after the 2013 Congress…

  98. alindasue says:

    If you guys can’t even go a full half hour without degenerating into partisan bickering, how can you expect those that represent you to.

    It’s no wonder nothing seems to get done in congress…

  99. MarksonofDarwin says:

    Obamacare, health care reform….potato, potahto.

    What ever one calls it, it in no way gets people in to see a doctor.
    It doesn’t even give one person access to health insurance yet

    We had to pass it to see what’s in it, and now we have to wait until it actually kicks in to see how it works. (or not)

    In the meantime, millions of us have seen our insurance rates soar….

    Thanks fer nothin’…..

  100. aislander says:

    alindasue: I addressed your 11:51 AM question at 12:15 PM above. I’d be happy to discuss that with you…

  101. “BHO changed the [unemployment] definition”

    Bovine byproduct. Do you really just make this crap up and expect everyone to believe you? http://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm

  102. markson — where in the world did you get your “news”?
    i actually know numerous…like a ridiculous amount of people, droves in fact…who now are covered by their parents’ insurance as students and as result of the health care reform act.
    you are simply stating falsehoods.
    stop watching fox “news” and get a clue.

  103. aislander says:

    Fibonacci: It would be much more appropriate to put the “K” in Demokrat rather than Republican, regardless of to which evil you are trying to tie to.

    If you are thinking Ku Klux Klan, well that was populated by Demokrats…

    If you are doing a pseudo-German thing to elicit a Nazi vibe, the Nazis were a left-wing enterprise…

    I’m not a Republican, so I’m just pointing out these things in the interest of consistency.

  104. aislander. you are being either uninformed or you dont understand historical context.
    the southern dixie-crats turned to the republican party when they were opposing civil rights in 1964.
    they opposed civil rights (like ron paul, republican presidential candidate) and the righties, left the democratic party and fled to the republican party.
    nixon’s southern strategy made it stick.
    the party of strom thurmond and glenn beck.
    do people not understand the obvious difference, in the very definitions of conservative and progressive?

  105. Let’s face the facts folks. In the year 2012 the GOP is very little more than a three ring circus with all the clowns piling out of the tiny little car.

    As of tonight’s news it turns out that Mitt Romney DID NOT WIN the Iowa Caucus, but Rick Santorum did. Who cares?

    New news from Newt Gingrich’s former wife says Newt wanted an OPEN MARRIAGE so he could date his now current 3rd wife Calista, but wife #2 said “No way!” What a FAMILY VALUES kinda guy that Newt is!

  106. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Muck- JFK and Clinton were having affairs in the WH. Kerry, JFK, GW, were all very, very rich. Who cares? It is about who can lead the country out of this prolonged financial mess.

  107. MarksonofDarwin says:

    Oh how refreshing and new!
    Someone parroting the “never gets old” line about Fox news, while accusing someone else of parroting.

    Yes, the provision that parents can infantilize their already coddled “children” to the ripe age of 26. You’re closer to 30 at that age & seriously a bit long in the tooth to still be so dependent on your parents. That’s only part of the “reform” right? So Obamacare hasn’t kicked in yet. Thanks for bringing that up though. It’s the most ridiculous part of the legislation, and is part of the reason that the rest of us pay more for our insurance genius.

    You can rationalize it all you want….but it’s time to cut the apron strings. Time to man/woman up. Someone’s got to tell you, even if your parents won’t.

  108. concernedtacoma7 says:

    ehill, I will ignore your childish insult. Now, your link shows how they report UE today. Look up how it has changed recently, smart guy. I expect and apology and for you to acknowledge your comment was A)stupid B)partisan hatred.

  109. alindasue says:

    aislander said, “alindasue: I addressed your 11:51 AM question at 12:15 PM above. I’d be happy to discuss that with you…”

    I saw your reply at 11:51, and had you left it at the first paragraph, we might have an opening for an interesting conversation – until your implication in the second paragraph that only “left wing ideas” are able to get through congress in the face of special interest groups…

    You say at 4:32 p.m. that you are not a Republican. Personally, I don’t care what party you affiliate yourself with or whether it’s right wing, left wing, bird wing, or bat wing. It’s still the same divisive politics that are keeping anything from getting done in our legislatures.

    THAT is why I refuse to join any political party. When the general election comes, I will vote for the candidates that I feel are most capable of serving our state and country, regardless of political affiliation. Perhaps, if enough people do likewise, some things might actually be accomplished in the next four years.

  110. alindasue says:

    correction: aislander’s reply was at 12:15 not 11:51.

  111. ct7, I just DOUBLE-CHECKED the comments I have posted to this topic, and unless you can prove me wrong, I NEVER ONCE mentioned JFK, Clinton, Kerry or GW in any of my comments above. NOT ONCE! (What the heck are you carping about?)

    As far as your comment “who can lead the country out of this prolonged financial mess.” Yes, that is a very key qualification, that NONE of the Republican candidates can qualify for.

    The Republican candidates started as Snow White and the Seven Dwarves, and they are now, with Perry dropping out, whittled down to: Dumb, Dumber, Dumberer and Dumbest. Take your pick, but realize now, you’re in for four more years with President Obama. Deal with it!

  112. “your link shows how they report UE today. Look up how it has changed recently, smart guy. I expect and apology and for you to acknowledge your comment was A)stupid B)partisan hatred.”

    I have nothing to apologize for. And your post is a perfect example of both (A) and (B).

  113. ct7 writes:

    “ehill, I will ignore your childish insult.”

    and

    “I expect and apology …”

    Make up YOUR MIND, BEFORE YOU POST YOUR COMMENT!!!!

  114. Speaking of class warfare…….

    the reality is that America is more class-bound than other advanced nations. If you really want to achieve the American Dream, move to Denmark. A child born into the bottom fifth on the income scale in Denmark will almost certainly better his economic situation: only one quarter of those at the economic thin end stay there. The same is true of other Scandinavian countries.

    Britain, with its royals and its rituals, its titles and its toffee-nosed traditions, has always been the class system poster child for Americans (I’m looking at you, Lady Mary Crawley!). We’re hooked on the upstairs-downstairs exotica of Downton Abbey, yet Americans should know that people in the UK have a greater chance than we do of improving their financial circumstances – 42% of Americans never escape the lowest income bracket, compared to 30% of Brits.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2012/jan/17/want-to-get-ahead-move-to-denmark

    That’s right folks – there is more social mobility in Canada, the UK, Scandinavia and Western Europe than in the US. But wait, there’s more:

    American income inequality is becoming positively third world, with some of the richest US states having the largest populations of poor people. In California, 22% live in poverty. In Florida, it’s 20%. The citizens are getting restless. The Pew study also shows that two thirds of all Americans think social inequality is more damaging to the nation than racism.

    So yell “class war” “liberal” “socialist/marxist” all you want – Americans are fed up with the economic system as it currently is.

  115. concerned,

    The last change to the definition of unemployment was in 2010, when the Obama administration changed the method of counting long-term unemployment to include MORE PEOPLE.

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2010-12-28-1Ajobless28_ST_N.htm

    Now, who is it that should apologize?

  116. markson —
    so first you regurgitate the lies you lapped up without fact checking in your claim that “It (the health care reform act) doesn’t even give one person access to health insurance yet”.
    clearly an outright falsehood you are just echoing, easily disproven.
    so now you recoil and retreat to the tired old republican view of “let them die”, shown by your candidate ron paul and his followers.
    you are attacking the health insurance coverage of millions of fellow americans. because costs went up a whole 1% last year.
    millions of americans. 1% cost increase.
    you ignore reality in spewing your vile venom. then you attempt to show your superiority by claiming to be a parent who wants to “cut the apron strings” on large chunks of american society.
    nice to see you dont think students count any more. and people with pre-existing conditions. their lives arent worth a 1% cost increase in your view. nice to see that you obviously don’t know any of these people and cannot possibly relate.
    they just need to “man up” and be more like you though right? pfft

  117. oh, and i dont know why you are doing background checks on me to know how old i am.
    but you also claimed that i am too old to be depending on my parents.
    well, i havent lived with my parents since i was 18.
    and i have never in my life asked for a single dime. never borrowed a dime. never was loaned. never even took offered gifts of furniture.
    so get a life and quit stalking people you disagree with on comment boards.
    and stop making overtures about my father before you push “submit” next time.
    freak.

  118. aislander says:

    Wow! Overreact much?

  119. MarksonofDarwin says:

    No poo ai!

    Should I tell them that I quit reading after the first paragraph of the breathless tizzy fit of the first post, or will that send them completely over the edge?

    Good lord, some people take this waaaayy too seriously….

  120. Very odd indeed. :)

  121. Marks… Very glad you “quit reading after the first paragraph of the breathless tizzy fit of the first post,” by tree_guy. His attempt to blame all the four wars on Democrats was truly laughable. What a right-wing historical revisionist!!!

    But, you really should take a little time to read some of the comments from the people who aren’t as deluded as tree_guy and his right-wing revisionist pals. You might learn something!

    If all you ever read is stuff written by guys who think just as you do, well, thats kind of like intellectual incest or in-breeding isn’t it. You need to get out of the rut once in a while to add some fresh DNA to the mental gene-pool you know? Otherwise you become the mental equivalent of some of them tar inbreds in Arkansas.

    That’s why I am very glad to be a middle of the road Independent. I can read stuff from both sides and not get angry about any of it. However, lately I have to say the right-wingers on these threads really get worked-up and downright rude if you don’t think the same way they do. It can be really entertaining at times and just plain sad at others. And thats a non-biased assessment.

    Have a great day Marks!!!

  122. MarksonofDarwin says:

    MBR,

    Um, thanks?
    Both sides get worked up here. It’s the way it’s always been.
    You are no exception.
    Your backhanded “compliment” and self aggrandizing show you need to take a step back yourself.
    You’re welcome.

    Have a great day!!!

  123. Marks, Don’t know what you mean by “backhanded ‘compliment'”, because I was candidly sincere.

    Like I keep telling you guys on both sides, I just tell it like it is. I ain’t got no agenda.

    Don’t read stuff into my writing. Just read it for what it is. That’s the problem with communication this way. A lot of people only read into the comments what they want to read into them, and never take them for what they really are, or what they really mean. Read what I write, not what YOU THINK I wrote.

    Just a suggestion.

  124. MarksonofDarwin says:

    MBR,

    I see I was woefully wrong. I read your comment again, and clearly you are being an a-hole. I was wrong about the comment, and wrong about you.

    Sorry about that.

    Which “side” do you believe I’m on anyway?
    As an independent, you should be able to magically decipher everyone’s belief system in an instant.
    If you never read into other people’s comments, then you should nail this one down fast.
    .
    .
    Here’s a hint for you, genius….the worst form of communication is the written word. It is always subject to interpretation, and often causes misunderstandings. You’re wrong about me, but I now have your insufferable number.

  125. Just guessing Marks, but I’d have to say…. communist, or possibly fascist.

  126. MarksonofDarwin says:

    Hahaha!

    Now that’s funny!

    I’m glad you wrote that. I was beginning to think you were too tightly wound for a minute! Good one…

  127. Yah, I thought you’d get a kick out of that.

  128. Well, calling tree_guy “deluded” sure looks like namecalling.

    And as for this pile,
    “If all you ever read is stuff written by guys who think just as you do, well, thats kind of like intellectual incest or in-breeding isn’t it. You need to get out of the rut once in a while to add some fresh DNA to the mental gene-pool you know? Otherwise you become the mental equivalent of some of them tar inbreds in Arkansas.
    Pretty much speaks for itself.

  129. “deluded” is a description or an adjective. It is not a noun, and therefore cannot be a name.

    As for the rest, yes it does speak for itself, just as I intended it to. You got a problem with that?

  130. aislander says:

    I wonder what purpose is served by those longitudinally-bisected jackrabbits, since so many hares are split on this forum…

  131. LMAO, no kidding aislander.

  132. Yes, muckibr, I have a problem with what appears to be your pattern of not abiding by simple forum rules.
    You wouldn’t really claim the post you made about incest and such qualifies as “civil”, would you ?

  133. Yes, I would claim it as civil. If it weren’t, I suppose the monitors would delete it.

    In case it’s not clear to you, I used those words as figures of speech for the information gathering process some people seem to use, that limits them from getting any new information other than what already fits their narrowly defined filters.

    What’s the problem with that, unless you are reading something into it yourself. I cannot control what thoughts you conjure up in your own mind Speters.

    I can’t believe you have a problem with that comment.

    ROTFLMAO!!!

  134. yabetchya says:

    I agree with speters…about muckbir.

  135. yabetchya, Would you like me to go back through the threads and repost some of YOUR courteous and respectful comments?

    I can do it. I have access to them. Yes or no?

    If I don’t get a “No.” answer back from you, then I will assume you do want me to repost your Top Ten, okay?

  136. MarksonofDarwin says:

    MBR,

    I think you should list all of our sins before the world to be judged by the likes of you.

    Start with me!

    I’ll give you a head start if you like. Here goes:

    You are not nearly as widely read as you think you are. Your laziness makes you not only just as ignorant as those inbreds from Arkansas, but Kentucky and S. Carolina to boot. Your school marm scolding is laughable and puts you in the easily dismissed category of “can dish it out, but can’t take it”.
    Just giving you some advice on how lowly and deficient you really are.

    **oh wait**

    According to your definition, nothing I said falls in the category of name calling or offensive.
    Hmmm. Sure got your work cut out for you. I doubt anyone will come close to your insufferable boorishness.
    .
    .
    .
    Don’t get mad. Just calling it as I see it…just like you.
    I just LOVE these new rules.

  137. MarksonofDarwin says:

    Btw, I was going to just let all your a-holishness go until you actually started trying to defend it. We’ve all been there where we’ve crossed the line. but you’re actually proud of it. Says much about you, and now I’m not the only one who’s got your number.

    You’re some piece of work. No doubt you’re just a delight in person….

  138. yabetchya says:

    Yes, muckbir do it.
    Are you going to pull up the one where you said you loved me and I should be flattered? Where I responded to your sick mind and said no , not flattered but afraid of your sick stalking nature?

  139. yabetchya says:

    Msod, thank you. You said it best. He is a freak and his freaked that we all know is one.

    Put that one in your list of ….muck. but hey that is not an insult just an observation and opinion of many.

  140. yabetchya says:

    OMG, Mucky called the Clintons inbred !

  141. The foxes are guarding the henhouse muckibr, so no, they wouldn’t necessarily delete it.

    So you have “access”. Interesting, especially considering you are still able to post after the homophobic personal attacks you launched at several posters last month.

  142. aislander says:

    I’m trying to decide what it was that caused it to start ignoring me. When I isolate it, I’ll pass it along. You’re welcome…

  143. He’s got nothing yabetcha.

  144. yabetchya says:

    OOPS !!!!

  145. Wow, there sure are a lot of haters in here.

  146. Muckibr, you seem to be all show no go.

  147. took14theteam says:

    You should know, ehill….

  148. took14theteam says:

    After reading this when my power finally came back on, I realized that I missed nothing but the same old garbage.

    But I have to admit, I did get a guilty pleasure out of the exchanges that started the evening of the 20th.

    :-)

  149. SPeters, I posted my comment to confirm that you are in fact the reincarnation of LF, amjm, kpntrl. You have given yourself away, again.

  150. yabetchya says:

    muckibr says:
    Jan. 20, 2012 at 11:40 am

    If all you ever read is stuff written by guys who think just as you do, well, thats kind of like intellectual incest or in-breeding isn’t it.

    Well mucky, now there IS a subject you really know about,and pactice quite a bit on these forums ! Now that wasn’t an insult, just a informed opinion.

  151. What, praytell, are you talking about muckibr?

  152. took14theteam says:

    Muckibr has an obsession about who is who here….

    ;-)

  153. No took14theteam, I’m not obsessed at all. I was just curious to see if I could get SPeters to expose himself as the latest reincarnation of LF, amjm, kpntrl, and it worked! (Sure p-o’d yabetchya though. That was unintentional. Sorry yabetchya. Really!) I was sure if I mentioned something like “comment archives” he would reveal himself, and he sure did!

    BTW, I know that you, took…, are not the same person as SPeters. You are far more intelligent than he is. That’s plainly obvious.

  154. January 21, 2012, Herman Cain (R) quote of the day, “Stay informed, because stupid people are ruining America!”

    If you’re not willing to change, or at the very least entertain the idea that you might possibly be convinced to alter your opinion ever so slightly on some issues, then you are incapable of learning and growing as a person.

    If all you ever do is accept only the information that conforms to your current views, and you block out all else, you have created for yourself a scotoma that will prevent you from ever becoming really any more intelligent or informed than you currently are.

    Unless you already have all the solutions to all the challenges in your life, then you’re really just setting yourself up for a great fall when you finally do realize at long last that you really aren’t perfect after all.

    You have to be able to learn to grow, and to do that you need to be willing to change, and that requires listening to what others have to say with an open mind.

  155. yabetchya says:

    mucky, all I did was say I agreeded with speters about you, then you went on a rant about me, and made a limpy threat about your “access”and how you were going to bring up my top ten. Still waiting.

  156. yaby.. it was ploy to catch Larry, and it worked. It’s not worth the effort to look at your old posts.

  157. yabetchya says:

    I call BS, are you sure speters wasn’t setting you up ? Maybe they just set the trap, and you fell right into it!

    You have bragged quite a few times about your “inside-info” and “access” that you have on few of the posters on here. THey got you to proclaim once again, how smart you really aren’t.

  158. yaby, for the last time, you are not worth the effort. But, for your info, Larry is the only one who has ever written about his “archives” of past posts. That’s how I was able to smoke him out. You’re just being a pain now. Go away.

  159. aislander says:

    MarksonofDarwin: I’ve always liked you, but I have now gained new respect…

  160. Yah Marks… because you fell for the same trap Larry did. Way to go!!!

  161. aislander says:

    Isn’t “setting traps”–real or imagined–for people the behavior of a troll? Just askin’…

  162. You would know, aislander.

  163. aislander says:

    Anybody..?

  164. aislander is asking for help. Can anyone help aislander? Or, are you all as helpless as he?

    Just like the GOP. You people don’t have a coherent message to offer – anyone!

  165. took14theteam says:

    Yes it is aislander.

    And it is interesting how muckibr has become the one dominant poster here now. Makes the majority of the comments, on here24/7. It does bring up bad memories….

    And thanks for that “compliment” @11:34, I guess.

  166. ROTFLMAO@U

  167. aislander says:

    took14theteam:

    I’m guessing a recent retirement; wife doesn’t want it underfoot; plenty of its own time to waste, so it wastes ours, too…

    But, as I say, it doesn’t waste much of my time, since I don’t read the long posts at all, and skim over the short ones. My name isn’t even mentioned much anymore, so my browser’s “find” function doesn’t land me where I don’t want to be…

  168. “And it is interesting how muckibr has become the one dominant poster here now.” Thank you for noticing took14theteam. It’s nice to know you are reading my comments.

    And here MarkyMarks was saying about me and my posts… “You are not nearly as widely read as you think you are.” MarksonofDarwin JAN. 20, 2012 AT 7:00 PM

    Wrong again MarkyMarks!

    Now come on you guys, LET’S GET BACK ON THE TOPIC.

    GOP: The party that couldn’t shoot straight!

  169. BACK ON TOPIC aislander!

  170. Hey MarkyMarks! I just did a search and found that aislander’s screen name appears 43 times in this thread. And guess what! muckibr also appears 43 times in this thread. But, now with this comment I’m ahead of aislander at 44! NOPE! Because I have mentioned aislander 3 times now in this comments he’s at 47! SO YOU WERE WRONG!!! Again.

    Now as far as what we are supposed to be discussing: With Gingrich winning in South Carolina tonight that just goes to prove that the GOP really doesn’t know who the heck they want as a candidate. Santorum won Iowa,and Romney won New Hampshire. No wonder the GOP is so out of touch and at odds with America!!!

  171. Sorry MarkyMarks, it was Tookybird who claimed I was the dominant poster. You guys look so much alike it’s hard to tell you apart.

    Anyway, aislander, aislander, aislander is mentioned more times than my screen name so you were tooky.

    The GOP really needs to get it’s act together and start connecting with the masses of Americans, because even though they have all the rich contributors, it still takes the votes of regular Americans to win the election. Right aislander?

  172. aislander says:

    took14theteam: I wouldn’t say “dominant” poster because of the connotations associated with that word.

    I would say “predominant” poster because of the number of keystrokes associated with that…er…well, you know.

    I don’t believe that it is necessary any longer to refer back to sum_nos since we are now afflicted with…er…well, you know.

    We have a new shorthand for the behavior formerly attributed to the NOS.

  173. Wowsers… someone is on another tangent.

    Speaking of tangents (“figuratively speaking”)he share similar patterns of a spousal abuser living in temporary harmony, interrupted by uncontrolled personal attacks, followed by pseudo apologies and flowers… and repeat cycle over and over.

    FYI, the current vernacular is “Living in his head rent-free.” LaughMY_AO

    :)

  174. aislander, is this what you guys call bantering back and forth with each other, like your banter here with tooky?

    aisl_nos and took_nos banter together.

    How does any of your previous message relate to GOP: Party at odds with most Americans?

    Perhaps we could have the TNT rename this topic as GAB: The nos_twins at odds with most other commenters.

    Got anything you’d like to relate to the actual topic her fellers?

  175. a recent retirement; wife doesn’t want it underfoot

    LMAO!

  176. LOL… uh, back on topic… back on topic.

  177. SPeters, does the S stand for Salt?

    Talk about OFF TOPIC! Have YOU (in any of your other alts or this one) ever been ON TOPIC?

    ROTFLMAO@U

    Let’s talk GOP and their disconnect with REAL AMERICANS? No matter who gets the leftovers in the Republican primary debacle, he’s going to get WOMPED by Obama, because REAL AMERICANS can see what creeps the GOPPERS are. Agreed?

  178. aislander says:

    You nailed it with the “spousal abuse” comparison, SPeters. My guess is that the actual spouse prefers that the recently-retired Voldemuck remain in front of his computer as much as possible so that SHE avoids the abuse to which we are now subjected…

  179. yabetchya says:

    Oh, I see the little dingle berry is hanging on by a muck. What a funny little gnome.
    He is screaming “BACK ON TOPIC aislander!” as the topic of the threads he posting on gets flushed out by the back end of his feeble tight a$$.
    I have noticed that he has to be the first and last on every topic…little OCD.
    The poor little imp resorts to his typical ingenuous,loutish,raucous performances.

  180. SPe_nos “a recent retirement; wife doesn’t want it underfoot”

    Ha! Ha!

    You guys are so wrong. I retired over 4 years ago at age 54. Had to. I have roughly the same amount Mitt is currently said to have, on paper at least, so there was little point in amassing more than that. In fact, when my accountant told me what I was worth I was floored!

    Just lately got a new computer, found these blogs and started having fun. I’m thinking about starting a new business, hiring trolls to skulk around blogs like these looking for you guys. Think it will work?

    P.S. Don’t believe what you read about Mitt’s net worth. He’s got a lot more than anyone will ever know about. Trust me!

  181. I have noticed, the more agitated the muck_nos gets, the less his alts post.

    Give me a K

  182. FYI, the current vernacular is “Living in his head rent-free.” :)

  183. yabetchya says:

    K !

  184. … and now for the nos_back pedaling.

  185. Hey there yab_nos!!! You are OFF TOPIC.

    In case you forgot the topic here is GOP: Party at odds with most Americans.

    The GOP sure screwed-up in Iowa, NH and SC didn’t they?

  186. MarksonofDarwin says:

    Bwa_hahahahahhahahahaha!
    *breath*
    Hahahahahahaha!
    .
    .
    .
    Oh, and thanks ai. I’ve always had a tremendous amount of respect for you as well, even when we don’t agree…

  187. aislander says:

    Someone brought up the name of MarksonofDarwin, SPeters, so THAT must be the topic right now.

    Now I know, SPeters, that you haven’t been on this forum for very long, but I have a strong sense that you have been auditing it for a while as a guest, doncha know, so you must remember MoD when she posted here more often than she now does.

    EVERYBODY liked MoD (just ask beerBoy) because of her fairness, her sunny nature, her even keel. Even though I didn’t always agree with everything she wrote, we never found ourselves insulting one another, and I think that was true of just about everyone here. Even AmandaDaniel, if that name rings a bell, never elicited a nasty word from MoD, nor did AD have one for her–probably the only one on the forum of whom AD didn’t have something salty to say.

    Which brings us to MoD’s comments up-thread. Knowing what I do of MoD, it must have been something execrable to cause her to express herself in that way, and knowing what I do of the subject of those comments–well they were appropriate, if somewhat understated.

    Way to go, MarksonofDarwin!

    That was a positively Voldemuckian number of keystrokes. I apologize for the length, if not the tenor, of this post…

  188. aislander says:

    That’s an interesting coincidence, MoD! You were posting the above while I was writing my paean to you…

  189. yabetchya says:

    muck, You of ALL PEOPLE bring up “off topic” ? What a back stroke. You,the specialist, most abusive in instigating, inaugurateing the off topic remarks. You are pathetic !

  190. No kidding, the n_off_topic all of a sudden wants to get back on topic.

  191. yabetchya says:

    I wonder when ehill and manuel are going to come in and rescue your snail trail muck.

  192. MarksonofDarwin says:

    What a nice way for this thread to finish out its death throes!

    Thanks for the nice words ai, even though I don’t deserve half of them.
    Like you, and many others, I don’t see this site as a release for pent up rage, but rather as a way to read a variety of opinions and maybe a new point of view. It’s also fun to express my opinions and have them challenged, but not disparaged. Too many across the internet feel the need to squash anything contrary to their own world view, rather than counter it with a reasoned argument.

    There’s nothing more disappointing however, than discovering that the person who you thought might be an intelligent sounding board for an opposing point of view, turns out to be another run of the mill, dime a dozen, raging, internet troll.

  193. yabetchya says:

    I do believe this explains muckbir.
    “No one is as angry as the person who is wrong.”
    |
    -Proverb

  194. yabya-nos, you got me all wrong, as usual. I am not angry at all. As a matter of fact, I am having fun with this blog in particular.

    If you would have noticed, you would see that I have gone out of my way to be respectful of all who I first encounter. I spend a good deal of time crafting thoughtful comments to enhance the discussions. Then some doorknob comes in and makes a snotty ignorant remark, and sometimes I let the first one pass, and sometimes even the second or possibly even the third. But, I have only so much patience with people who are here to play games instead of discuss issues, so I only dish back what has been first dished to me.

    Turns out that the kind of people I challenge can’t take what they dish out, so they get really angry, like you, and post comments with obscene words in them, like you did, and then I report them to the monitors, like I have you. Eventually it will catch up to you. I hope. Because I live in hope that the TNT monitors are fair and follow through on their obligations to uphold the rules.

    To wit, that comments are to be kept: “civil, short and to the point. ALL CAPS, spam, obscene, profane, abusive and off topic comments will be deleted. Repeat offenders will be blocked.”

    Now, if Marksofwhatever… was really the person she or he says he is in that self-aggrandizing post above, he or she would know what I write here is truth. Initially I have shown respect and courtesy to all, I say ALL, who have shown respect and courtesy to me. Flip me some of your crap, and you may just get it flipped back at you. That’s my rule. Simple. Honest.

    BACK ON TOPIC NOW…

    Now, all that I wrote above could apply to the TOPIC of this blog as well, because I truly believe that if the GOP would show respect and consideration to Americans, as well as each other in the recent presidential primaries and debates, then Americans would have a lot more respect for them than they do now. I’m sure they can’t see it, but they are destroying themselves and their chances for the General Election. President Obama should probably win in a landslide this time, no matter which one of the remaining four survives the Republican Primaries.

    I would like to stick exclusively to the topic of this blog at all times, but it’s not alway within my control to do that. Go ahead and take it off topic again if you like. Post some more obscene comments, and I will be happy to report you to the monitors again. Thanks for reading this.

  195. MarksonofDarwin says:

    Oh gawd….

  196. aislander says:

    It’s like expecting a chimp to blush because it throws feces. The chimp just doesn’t care…

  197. MarksonofDarwin says:

    It’s kinda cute when they learn new words though, don’t ya think? Probably had to look them up though, so that takes some of the credit away.

    He’s a grown man? He should be embarrassed, but he’ll barrel on…please stop for your own sake….

  198. P.S. The king, or is it queen, of the alts (SPe_nos, a.k.a., LF, amJm, kpntrl, and who knows how many more) wrote this: “I have noticed, the more agitated the muck_nos gets, the less his alts post.”

    I’ll say it again for the slow learners here. I have no other alts. I post my comments under muckibr. Believe it or not! But ask yourself, how stupid would you have to be in order to believe a comment like that from someone you know for sure has operated under several different alts? Pretty stupid huh!

    GOP: Party at odds with most Americans…. any more comments on that?

  199. aislander says:

    Besides, MoD, didn’t the topic-god make YOU the topic? I thought we were “on topic…”

  200. MarksonofDarwin says:

    Oh how wonderful!
    As it turns out, that’s my favorite topic!
    Haha!

  201. aislander says:

    Ben Jonson once wrote “speak that I may see thee,” muck, so don’t try to justify yourself to me. You’ve spoken. Plenty. I see you for what you are…

  202. The full quote is:

    “Language most shows a man: Speak, that I may see thee. It springs out of the most retired and inmost parts of us, and is the image of the parent of it, the mind. No glass renders a man’s form or likeness so true as his speech. Nay, it is likened to a man; and as we consider feature and composition in a man, so words in language; in the greatness, aptness, sound structure, and harmony of it.”

    — Ben Johnson, 1640 (posthumous)

    aislander, do you even have a clue as to what Jonson was trying to say, or was this another selection from your “quote/word of the day calendar” that you randomly insert into your comments on these blogs in a failed attempt to make yourself seem to be an intellectual?

    What Jonson was trying to express is that the language we use in our speech and writing reveals to others, who have the knowledge and ability to see, the thoughts we try to share, the beliefs we try to live by, the faults and doubts we have in ourselves that we attempt to conceal, and the real place from which we come from inside of us, from our soul.

    As we develop the habits we use in our efforts to communicate, through speech and writing, we do so in a way that will make us feel confident in the feeling that we are expressing ourselves in a way all, or at least most, can understand.

    Ultimately Jonson was describing how one develops the ability to talk and pray to God, through the skills we learn and use in speaking to our fellow man. So that we can express to God how truly deserving we are of the final reward in Heaven, and hope that He agrees.

    Basically Jonson was saying: tell it like it is, from the heart. That’s how I write, in my own words, not those I borrow from others, or inserted from “word of the day” calendars.

    Understand this aislander…

    I have NEVER tried to justify myself to you. You are NOT worth it!

    Furthermore, from all that I have read here on these blogs of comments you have written, you come off as a fake.

  203. Pacman33 says:

    “You guys are so wrong. I retired over 4 years ago at age 54″

    I got $50 on Retired Postal Worker.

    Is there really another explanation?

  204. Talk about “self aggrandizing”… mirror, mirror time _nos.

    Pathetic.

  205. LOL Pac .

  206. aislander says:

    So…the post of Jan. 21, 2012 at 10:49 pm wasn’t a justification? Kooky…

  207. LMAO

  208. aislander says:

    THAT explains some of the “gone postal” comments!

  209. took14theteam says:

    So ManuelMartini must be without power, or maybe he has been “retired” at “54”.

    ;-)

  210. There are pockets in Olympia without power still.

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