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OBAMA: President leads from the center

Letter by Fred LaMotte, Steilacoom on Jan. 9, 2012 at 1:18 pm with 82 Comments »
January 9, 2012 1:18 pm

President Obama is a Rorschach ink blot: We see what we want to see, regardless of the facts.

When the right sees Obama, it sees a socialist who is weak on defense and an economic failure. When the left sees him, it sees a corporatist and a warmonger. These attitudes tell less about the president than they tell about the way our ideology distorts our vision.

Obama is neither left nor right. He is a pragmatic centrist who navigates partnerships between the public and private sectors. He uses advanced military technology to reduce both the number of troops we deploy and
civilians we kill, while still protecting us from terrorist leaders.

The facts are: Since the depths of the Bush economic collapse in 2009, Barack Obama’s policies have created a slow but continuous rise in virtually every key economic indicator, 22 months of growth in private sector jobs, a middle-class tax cut and a reduction of our military deployment in the Middle East.

As a liberal, I too am disappointed that the president did not fulfill my personal agenda for world peace and global transformation. I am shocked, shocked to discover that he is not a pacifist. But when I get over my progressive hissy-fit, I will vote for him.

America, at its best, has always been governed from the center, and guided by the middle way.

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  1. aislander says:

    I am not certain that the President “leads” at all, but to the extent that he does, it is from where Flamo and his ilk would like the “center” to be placed…

  2. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Nice propoganda piece.

    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/8-5-unemployment-why-2011s-150105842.html

    Slowest recovery since WWII. Changing the unemployment standards to make the situation look better than it is. Nice policy.

    Glad to see America is all about your personal agenda. The rest of us see huge govt, huge debts and defecits, failed Keynesian policies, union giveaways, Obamacare rammed through against the will of the public, Chicago politics, violations of the Constitution, Fast and Furious, a failed ‘green’ agenda, and the list keeps going.

    He is more of the same. Failed Dem policies bent on keeping voters stuck on the govt teet.

    But he speaks great!

  3. A321196 says:

    I’m really looking forward to the Republicans gaining the White House and Senate in November. Let the Republican (AKA: conservative mentality) rules for eight years. Let them lead the country. Let them seek no compromise. Let them reduce taxes more and more. Let them cut social safety nets. Let them transform medicare and medicaid. Let them implement Chain COLA. Let them do anyway with child labor laws. Let them do any with any restrictions of development of natural resources.

    If the Republicans fail I’m sure the Republicans will blame their inability to transform American back to the 18th century on democratic principles.

  4. Fred, what have you been smoking? Or, maybe your letter is a joke, must be because all of your facts are off base.
    Concernedtacoma7 – great post except the part that O is a great speaker. Have you ever heard him without a telepromter? It is disgusting, all ummm’s and huh’s. He is so bad that although he is the worst president ever (in my opinion), I really do feed sorry for him.

  5. “Flamo and his ilk” — name-calling again. What a surprise.

  6. muckibr says:

    Same things being said about President Obama today, as he attempts to correct the disaster brought down on us during the Bush administration, are the same kinds of things said about FDR as he orchestrated the recovery from the Hoover administration. The main thing FDR had going in his favor, as the second comment pointed out, was the positive economic affect to the US of WWII.

    In president Obama’s case the positive economic affects of war profiteering were destroyed by the way the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq were totally bungled by the Bush Admin. Yet, in spite of that negative legacy, President Obama is getting positive changes made.

    FOUR MORE YEARS FOUR MORE YEARS! Vote OBAMA!!! (Because honestly, have you seen the bozos the Republicans are offering so far?)

  7. “Slowest recovery since WWII.” — LOL – given the fact that this is also the worst economic downturn since WWII, the recovery seems about on pace with previous downturns.

    The recession of 1960-61 lasted ten months (April 1960 – Feb 61). The GDP went down 1.6%. Unemployment went up from 5% to 7%, and didn’t drop back down close to where it started until July 62, A YEAR AND A HALF after the recession officially ended.

    The recession of 1969-1970 lasted 11 months (Dec 69 – Nov 70). GDP went down by a scant 0.6%. Unemployment went up from 3.5% to 6.1%, and NEVER dropped back down to where it started. The closest it came was 4.6% in October 73, THREE YEARS after the recession officially ended.

    The recession of 1973-75 lasted 16 months (Nov 73 – Mar 75). The GDP declined by 3.2%. Unemployment went up from 4.8% to 9%, and never dropped back down to where it started. The closest it came was 5.6% in May 79, FOUR YEARS after the recession officially ended.

    The recession of 1980 lasted 6 months (Jan 80 – July 80). The GDP dropped by 2.2%. Unemployment went up from 6.3% to 7.8%, but didn’t drop back down to where it started until August 87, SEVEN YEARS after the recession officially ended.

    The early 1980’s recession lasted 16 months (July 81 – November 82). The GDP dropped 2.7%. Unemployment went up from 7.2% to 10.8%, and didn’t drop back down to where it started until July 84, TWO YEARS AND FOUR MONTHS after the recession officially ended.

    The early 1990’s recession lasted 8 months (July 90 – March 91). The GDP dropped a meager 0.3%. Unemployment rose from 5.7% to 6.8%. But it kept on rising even after the recession officially ended, peaking at 7.8% in June 92. It didn’t drop back down to where it started until October 94, THREE AND A HALF YEARS after the recession officially ended.

    The early 2000’s recession (AKA lasted 8 months (March 2001 – November 01). The GDP dropped 0.3%. Unemployment rose from 4.0% to 5.5%. But, like the preceding recession, it kept on rising after the recession was officially over, peaking at 6.3% in June 03. It didn’t drop back down close to where it started until December 06, MORE THAN FIVE YEARS after the recession officially ended.

    This latest recession lasted eighteen months (December 07 – June 09). The GDP dropped 4.1%. Unemployment rose from 5% to 9.5%, but, like the preceding two recessions, it kept on rising, peaking out at 10.1% in October 09. So far, it’s dropped back to 8.5%, but it’s only been two and a half years since the recession officially ended.

    This recession is worse than any of the others in the last 50 years, so the recovery should be expected to take longer.

    List of US recessions: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_recessions_in_the_United_States

    Unemployment rate: http://www.miseryindex.us/urbymonth.asp

  8. keepinitreal says:

    LOL! Obama an “ink blot” ??? Seriously Fred?

    Obama is left of center. His friends, mentors, associates are left of center. His policies are left of center.

    Perhaps if he’d release his college transcripts, grades, and papers we’d have a reason to believe otherwise.

    http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_were_Barack_Obama's_grades_in_college

  9. So-called “Obamacare” is very similar to another health care proposal from a few decades ago. From Richard Nixon. That Nixon was sure a left-winger, wasn’t he!

  10. menopaws says:

    Why should our President have to release his college transcripts to anyone???? Just like the previous President refused to release the papers on his DUI—remember that? Let me guess about this blog—it is written by a crowd of people who need to take their shoes off to count to 20…………This President has put up with more crap from the “loser class” of our society than anyone should have to. No one talks about the “loser” class–but we need to. They barely made it through high school; if they served in the military, it was for the minimum time and without distinction. they change jobs like some people change socks……..and, their failures in life are ALWAYS somebody else’s fault. Why bother to prove anything to that crowd?
    Our President is an impressive….and far more patient man than he should be…..And given the bloody mess he was handed by those Republican “patriots”, he’s done a better job than his predecessor ever dreamed of. This “socialist” saved the American car industry and all those jobs, kept the banks afloat, killed Bin Laden, passed health care reform (get over it—our country’s health care is just awful) and got rid of “don’t Ask, don’t Tell”………..Not bad for somebody who is “inept”………..Good letter, good man and those who hate him aren’t smart enough to mask either their jealousy or their racism…….

  11. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Keep- he friends and advisors (and wife according to the new book) are left of the left.

    He outsourced Obamacare to Pelosi and the far left.

    Ehill- you could have saved all that typing and just clicked on my link. The 8.5% unemployment stat is total BS. If the labor pool number was the same as pre-recession (where could all those people have gone?), we would be well above 10%.

    Slowest and worst recovery since WWII. Fact. Obama’s policies have slowed the recovery. Fact. Business does not like BHO or his policies. Fact. Businesses makes decisions based on long term predictability (taxes, costs, etc) and the partisan attitude by our current ‘leader’ has only made the business environment worse (Obamacare, taxes, etc.).

    The attack on energy is an attack on business. The higher costs due to energy, labor, and thousands of regulation push manufacturing overseas. The only thing helping America is the great, skilled labor force. The govt is the only thing holding us back.

  12. Publico says:

    First is was the birth certificate, now it’s his transcripts. What a bunch of idiotic BS! Considering the source, of course, it becomes no surprise.
    It’s almost as bad as the Pope bashing gays again in today’s news. How in the world does he call himself a Christian?
    So many people not thinking—so much about which to think…..even just a little…….please.

  13. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Menopause describes #OWS, calls everyone stupid/racist, then refuses to use the ‘enter’ key. HA! Who plays the blame game more than the Dems and BHO? Harry refuses to pass anything, BHO jets off to Hawaii while promising to give away our secrets and weapons, and the Republicans get the blame. Nice try.

    Put up with crap? Like all of America with BHO’s job-killing policies?

    Keep your head in the sand and pull that ‘D’ lever at every opportunity. It has served America and Washington State so well!

  14. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Not even a global warming rant, Pub? You can do better than that, or are you sick of defending failed policies?

  15. “out sourced to Pelosi”
    What was the President suppose to do,?

    Demand Congress pass his agenda with out debate?

    Once again the right wing show the lack of understanding of how our
    govenment was ment to work.

  16. menopaws says:

    concernedtacoma—get your meds checked….Your rants don’t make much sense……..what weapons was he selling off in Hawaii—ask Boeing how happy they were with his trip—he sold a lot of Dreamliners/////but, hey, don’t let facts trip up your rants…………..We have always supplied the Saudi’s with planes—Bush did it too……Really—check those meds.

  17. muckibr says:

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    The comment posted above on JAN. 9, 2012 AT 3:15 PM bears no resemblance whatsoever to Fact or Truth.

    If it were actual FACT or TRUTH it would have some attribution in the form of a researchable document or web link that one could use to verify the data.

    As it is simply the unfounded opinion of it’s remiss author, it may be completely ignored.

  18. concernedtacoma7 says:

    That was a fast and furious plug. I’ll try and keep it more direct next time.

    And what’s up with enter key? If your computer broken or are you mentally lazy?

  19. muckibr says:

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    The comment posted above on JAN. 9, 2012 AT 3:21 PM bears no resemblance whatsoever to Fact or Truth.

    If it were actual FACT or TRUTH it would have some attribution in the form of a researchable document or web link that one could use to verify the data.

    As it is simply the unfounded opinion of it’s remiss author, it may be completely ignored.

  20. The only thing this letter illustrates is the author’s ability to arbitrarily place a marker on “the center.”

    If you want more of Obama and his crew, vote for him. As for me, I’m looking for some “hope and change.”

  21. concernedtacoma7 says:

    “Demand Congress pass….” Didn’t he do just that with stimulus/jobs failure in a joint session?

    When Obamacare passed, he did not have to demand. He had Pelosi and Reid to do his grunt work. Now they lost the majority and he may have to compromise!!! Nope, he will just ignore the Constitution, like he did with the recent appointments.

  22. keepinitreal says:

    Well, menopaws (livinlarger?), releasing college transcripts has been precedent for sometime.
    DUI should be public record (nice deflection tho honey).
    As I said, IF he would release the transcripts, perhaps he could convince esomeone he “leads from the center”… but he won’t, and he doesn’t.

  23. ManuelMartini says:

    Obama will share his college transcripts, which have nothing to do with his presidency, about the time that Mitt Romney shares his tax statement, which has a lot to do with his desired presidency.

    What a person thought in college is no example of his or her actions today. Sarah Palin is the perfect example of that. She once appeared smart enough to get a diploma after 6 years or so.

    The problem with “the center” is that the right is so far removed from center that they have lost the concept of what center really is.

    As to “Obamacare” (which I doubt that a Republican even knows the real name of the legislation), when polled about specific issues of health care reform, US citizens are highly supportive. Only when the polling is deceptive and uses the right wing euphamism, does the polling head towards negative results.

  24. muckibr says:

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    The comment posted above on JAN. 9, 2012 AT 7:21 PM bears no resemblance whatsoever to Fact or Truth.

    “releasing college transcripts has been precedent for sometime.”

    If it were actual FACT or TRUTH it would have included some attribution in the form of a researchable document(s) or web link(s) that one could use to verify the data.

    As it is simply the unfounded opinion of it’s remiss author, it may be completely ignored.

  25. ManuelMartini says:

    Pardon me if I don’t take the Washington Times too seriously:

    “The Washington Times was founded in 1982 by News World Communications, an international media conglomerate associated with the Unification Church which also owns newspapers in South Korea, Japan, and South America, as well as the news agency United Press International.[1] Bo Hi Pak, the chief aide of church founder and leader Sun Myung Moon, was the founding president and the founding chairman of the board.[2] Moon asked Richard L. Rubenstein, a rabbi and college professor who had written on the Holocaust, to serve on the board of directors.[3]

    At the time of founding of the Times Washington had only one major newspaper, the Washington Post. Massimo Introvigne, in his 2000 book The Unification Church, said that the Post had been “the most anti-Unificationist paper in the United States.”[4] In 2002, at an event held to celebrate the Times’ 20th anniversary, Moon said: “The Washington Times is responsible to let the American people know about God” and “The Washington Times will become the instrument in spreading the truth about God to the world.”

  26. hansgruber says:

    I cannot agree with the writer, Obama is on pace to borrow more than twice than GW and on track to borrow more than 43 previous President combined!

    Obama is the most liberal President EVER.

  27. muckibr says:

    From the letter: “These attitudes tell less about the president than they tell about the way our ideology distorts our vision.”

    And we have seen, quite a lot of ideologically distorted visions have been revealed here on these threads haven’t they!

    Like, this garbage about President Obama releasing or not releasing his college transcripts.

    The Right-Wing Nut-Bags who keep bringing this one up aren’t interested at all in Barack Obama’s college grades. They’re only interested in confirming that he’s not American. They claim the transcripts will prove he’s really Indonesian, and that he was registered in Occidental College (CA) under the name Barry Soetero.

    That’s the line of conspiracy crap they are on a tear about now, since the Birth Certificate issue has been totally debunked. (This may be the next thing “The Donald” goes after if he decides to run as an Independent for president. He completely embarrassed himself with the Birther thing!)

    News for you guys! SNOPES.COM says (and has thoroughly documented) all that junk about Barry Soetero is FALSE!!

    Barack Obama attended Occidental College in 1979-1981 under the name,

    (Are you ready for this? Hold onto your tinfoil hats!)

    …………………………………. Barack Obama!!!

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/occidental.asp

    So, what new ideologically distorted vision do you Right-Wing Nut-Jobs want to come up with now?

    Here’s one for you…

    United States Senator John McCain, former candidate for president, was NOT born in the United States! And that, my friends is a FACT!!! Look it up.

  28. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Yes, McCain was born in Panama, and it went through legal review before he was nominated to run for the republicans. What was your point? Are you done playing games with childish posts (i.e. WARNING)?

    In case you forgot, W was bashed nonstop for his grades. BHO is a mystery, yet praised as a genius. No achievements prior to office.

    You and Mr Tini are deflecting and bringing up the birther issue. American or not, he is terrible. The world hates us even more, we hate our countrymen more, we are deeper in hole fiscally, and he ‘needs’ four more years to do what? Why does he deserve your support? Do the nation a favor and stay home. Keep your sexist pals (nice Palin plug above like she has something to do with this) at the house with you.

  29. “If you want more of Obama and his crew, vote for him. As for me, I’m looking for some hope and change.”

    You got your hope and change in the 2010 election. Congressional approval rating is around 12%. How’s that hope and change doing for ya?

  30. We live in a country with defit spending, and an acquired debt of 15 trillion dollars. We’re fighting our way out of the worst recession in 80 years, and high unemployment remains. Our enemies are hunting for our necks and bird flue is resurging. We live in a polluted, heat-soaked earth with diminishing resources and a surging population.

    Meanwhile, the crowd with a 12% approval rating, fiddles over the President’s birth certificate and his college transcript.

  31. “Slowest and worst recovery since WWII. Fact. Obama’s policies have slowed the recovery. Fact. Business does not like BHO or his policies. Fact.”

    Ahhh, another zealot who confuses his opinions with facts.

  32. MadTaxpayer says:

    OMG! They walk amoung us! And breed!

  33. “I cannot agree with the writer, Obama is on pace to borrow more than twice than GW and on track to borrow more than 43 previous President combined!”

    So, when we have a Republican congress and a Democrat for president, as currently, deficit spending becomes the fault of the president. But when we have a Democratic congress and a Republican president, as in the last 6 years of GWB, I kept hearing that deficit spending was the fault of congress.

    Funny how ideological visions work.

  34. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Republicans have passed budgets that Harry ignores.

    Republicans only lead 1/2 of Congress. Nice rhetoric and deception.

    Sorry if dems can’t push through terrible, expensive, partisan agendas against the will of the people anymore. Odd, if Obamacare is so good, why did Pelosi’s district and the unions bail on it?

  35. Pacman33 says:

    Funny how circus’s lack of vision, or complete blindness, works to make her appear confused and uninformed.

    “, as currently”

    If you had the slightest idea of what direction to stumble in the hopes of finding a clue, you would recognize how ignorant it looks to consider a year and a half of an R. House along with a D. Senate and President as an opportunity to do anything.

    What is funny, is to have legitimate control of spending by congress, majorities in the House and Senate are necessary. The Democrats could have balanced the budget in the thirty years they had control of both the House of Representatives and also the Senate. But it wasn’t until Republicans took control of the congress that the budget got balanced. I tip my hat to Clinton for his acquiescence to the Republican congress and in Welfare Reform.

    In contrast, 0bama had Dem majorities in both body’s. Including a filibuster proof majority in the Senate for 1 1/2 years.
    Balanced Budget? -> Nope, the other direction. After achieving the Presidential Record for most campaign contributions from Wall Street in history, 0bama wanted more records. Record deficit spending. Record expansion of Gov into private sector. Record labor union kick-back (ARRA). Record corruption.

    http://my.firedoglake.com/fflambeau/2010/04/27/a-list-of-goldman-sachs-people-in-the-obama-government-names-attached-to-the-giant-squids-tentacles/

    Oh, and as for “, as currently”, It is definitely not a lack of effort by the Republicans. Pesky Dem obstructionists blocked another balanced budget amendment 1 month ago ….. Same as they did the month before that ….. Same as they did 2 times before that …

    http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/12/14/balanced-budget-amendments-fall-short-in-the-senate/

  36. Another stupid thread based upon definitions of words – this time the word is “center”, which is confounded by the definition of “left” and “right”.

    As someone who believes that he can be properly labeled as holding views that are from the Left – I certainly don’t see Obama’s policies as being “left of center” and I am a bit skeptical about him being “center”

    But then, I’m old enough to remember when Richard Nixon was considered to be “right of center” and now he has been redefined as “left of center”.

  37. blakeshouse says:

    As usual Flamotte makes Stalin and Mao look like Reagan conservatives. Has to be some excellent MMJ to even consider posting this drivel. Course if he kept his mouth shut people could only think he is an idiot rather than, as is evidenced, has removed any and all doubt!!

  38. “it wasn’t until Republicans took control of the congress that the budget got balanced.”

    Funny how Pacman’s lack of vision, or complete blindness, works to make him appear confused and uninformed.

    Pacman apparently doesn’t know that the budgets as introduced to Congress by the President (i.e., before the GOP touched them) are available online, or that the budgets as passed by Congress are also available.

    And, most importantly, Pacman apparently doesn’t know that the budgets as passed by those fiscally conservative Republicans CONTAIN MORE SPENDING THAN THE PRESIDENT REQUESTED.

    Myth. Busted.

  39. “0bama had Dem majorities in both body’s. Including a filibuster proof majority in the Senate for 1 1/2 years.
    Balanced Budget? -> Nope, the other direction.””

    Shame on Obama and the Dems. They spent money just like the GOP did when THEY controlled the White House and both houses of Congress.

  40. “the Presidential Record for most campaign contributions from Wall Street”

    Obama took no money – zero, zilch, zed, nada – from ANY Wall Street corporation or PAC.

    Myth. Busted.

  41. aislander says:

    I just heard that the biggest fear that Americans have is that Obama will be re-elected. Thirty-three percent of those surveyed by US News and World Report cited that possibility as being the most frightening thing they could imagine.

    Only half that percentage cited the possibility he wouldn’t be re-elected as THEIR biggest fear…

  42. menopaws says:

    When my husband and I opened our business, we set up a SEP plan……It is a pension plan for the self-employed…..and we invested in the stock market. Over the years, we have used the same broker…and in the Bush-Gore campaign, he surprised me by talking politics at a meeting at his office. I just assumed he was a Republican, and he said he used to be—until he took his training and learned something fascinating. Historically, he told me, the market ALWAYS does better when the Democrats are in the White House……Even though Republicans spin it differently–he said if you actually study the market—Democrats have the best record for investors………So, save the slings and arrows—go learn something…….I checked it out…and my broker is right………So, those of you who want to get your pocket picked for the second time….by the same guys who put our economy on the brink of meltdown—go ahead….the market is projected to increase by 20% this year…..and it won’t be because of anything the “Baggers” did in Congress–they just got our credit downgraded. Our pension plan is MAKING money and I don’t want to let those bozos flush it again….wise up people!!!! This adminstration is doing something right–maybe not fast enough—but I’ll take my 20% over what happened under Bush.

  43. aislander says:

    “Obama took no money – zero, zilch, zed, nada – from ANY Wall Street corporation or PAC.”

    …and I’ll bet he didn’t accept ANYTHING from individuals who work for, say, Goldman Sachs, et al.

    Hey, was that a flying pig?!

  44. Source: The Synovate eNation Internet poll was conducted December 29-January 2 among a national sample of 1,000 households by global market research firm Synovate.

    http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2012/01/09/poll-americans-2-1-fear-obamas-reelection

    Well, if you want to believe that the opinions of a thousand people speak for an entire nation of over THREE HUNDRED MILLION people, be my guest.

    I think Synovate eNation could have found a thousand people whose greatest fear is alien invasion from the Antares Nebula.

  45. aislander says:

    Yep. The only positive correlation attributed to Democrat “stimulus” programs is an increase in the stock market. menopaws is right about that.

    But, of course, if you correct for inflation (calculated properly), the “increase” really doesn’t happen…

  46. “and I’ll bet he didn’t accept ANYTHING from individuals who work for, say, Goldman Sachs, et al.”

    Did I say that? No. Nice strawman.

  47. aislander says:

    From the Synovate (now Ipsos) website:

    “United States: Ipsos #1: Ipsos ties with CNN/ORC as the most accurate in the election cycle. The Final Result of the 2008 US Presidential election for the popular vote was 52.6 Democrat, 46.1 Republican (and 1.3 Independent). The Ipsos poll with our media partners, The McClatchy Company, was 53% Democrat and 46% Republican – remarkable accuracy!”

  48. aislander says:

    …and nice cherry-picking!

  49. ManuelMartini says:

    If a pencil pusher for Goldman Sachs donates $5 to a campaign, equating it to a major donation from the company is just plain silly

  50. “if you correct for inflation (calculated properly), the “increase” really doesn’t happen”

    Once again, bovine byproduct.

    When the stimulus went into effect in 1Q 2009, the stock market closed at 6,626.94. It closed yesterday at 12,392.69. That’s an increase of 87%.

    And no matter how you calculate inflation, it hasn’t been anywhere near that amount.

    Myth. Busted.

  51. “I just heard that the biggest fear that Americans have is that Obama will be re-elected. Thirty-three percent of those surveyed by US News and World Report cited that possibility as being the most frightening thing they could imagine.”

    In September 2003, two years after the fact, nearly 70% of Americans believed that Saddam was personally involved in the 9/11 attacks. Must be some of the same people.

  52. aislander says:

    Inflation is a lagging indicator. Like most dynamic processes, it doesn’t lend itself to lefty oversimplifications…

    Corporate political contributions are limited, but numerous corporate employees, contributing far more than “$5″ each (more like $2500) is a standard way of getting around the limitations…

  53. aislander says:

    “Must be some of the same people.”

    …and yet it IS a heart-warming stat, is it not?

  54. aislander says:

    That should have read “…heartwarming…”

  55. aislander says:

    From Bloomberg: “Goldman Sachs bankers are also the number one contributors to the Barack Obama presidential campaign, giving $691,930 to his campaign in this cycle [2008], according to the records.”

  56. menopaws says:

    So—I don’t work for Goldman Sachs—we have a SEP from when we were self-employed and a current 401K—-and we are making money……..so whine about Wall Street—but when they were NOT regulated, they almost flushed this economy down the toilet……..guess which President passed the bill to regulate them? Huh—how long do you want to play stupid……..Obama did not make this mess—he’s done a better job than anyone expected……..And, the stimulus, according to most economists wasn’t big enough—but, we all remember why that was–little filibuster in the Senate by those economic genuises, the Republicans……Give me a break—quit spinning and look at some facts…….87% increase and that doesn’t factor in inflation????/Huh????? Being wrong is tough—show some courage and just admit your Fox News spin is faulty………..I think Goldman contributes just because they are glad to still HAVE a business………But, hey—don’t let those Koch brothers or Grover be outdown in who they can buy………..

  57. “Inflation is a lagging indicator. Like most dynamic processes, it doesn’t lend itself to lefty oversimplifications”

    LOL – think anyone noticed that you tried to change the subject after I proved your wrong-wing oversimplification to be wrong?

  58. “From Bloomberg: “Goldman Sachs bankers are also the number one contributors to the Barack Obama presidential campaign, giving $691,930 to his campaign in this cycle [2008], according to the records.”

    Wow. Another venture down Strawman Alley.

  59. aislander, It doesn’t matter if Synovate eNation is now part of Ipsos, and linked to CNN/ORC, McClatchy, McDonalds, Burger King or Jack in the Box.

    A one thousand household poll is never ever going to be truly representative of a country of over 300,000,000 people. It doesn’t really matter how accurate they were in 2008. But, since you brought that up, I am sure their 2008 polling covered many many more people than just one thousand households.

    Nice cherry-pickin’ yourself. Now that you’ve pulled “cherry-picking” from you bag of routine and repetitive slams, can we soon expect you to use some of your other faves like: wallpaper, diversion, projection, and the big one – deflection?

    Why does it seem like you always have to tag-on some uncalled for snotty remark at the end of your comments? Why can’t you simply converse in a courteous manner like a normal person? Are you that so filled with anger that you just cannot control yourself? Or is it just that your arguments are so typically weak, that they need to be bolstered by rude comments?

  60. concernedtacoma7 says:

    So BHO’s stimulus only helped the stock market, home of the evil WS crowd and owned by the 1%. Real middle class warrior.

    Stock market does best when WH and Congress are diff parties.

  61. Aislander, you pretty much nailed it in your first one-line comment to this thread :). Anyone who thinks Obama is center has to be farrrrrrrrrrrrr-left leaning!!

  62. sorry, 3 line comment. Would hate to be “corrected” by you know who.

  63. “So BHO’s stimulus only helped the stock market”

    Apparently it did more than that because the GDP is up, the stock market is way up, and unemployment is down. Those are good things for our country.

  64. Mitt will have YOU all fired! And then he’ll hire his uncles and aunties and cousins from Mexico! AND he will legalize Polygamy. And re-invade Iraq (no wait, that was Perry). Mitt will bring back X-mass, too!! Luckily – we will be fine. Because Mitt will never make it. The pachyderms don’t even like him.

  65. concernedtacoma7 says:

    And BHO will hire everybody, and give you the rich guy’s cash!

  66. At least he is no Newt :) or Mitt :)

  67. “And BHO will hire everybody, and give you the rich guy’s cash!”

    Now you’re getting with the program!!!

    President Obama is working to create new jobs in America, and the rich guys “Job Creators” will pay the newly employed workers some of their cash to work at those jobs, and EVERYONE WILL BENEFIT from that.

    Congratulations concerned…, you are finally getting it!

  68. aislander says:

    …and I thought he said he wanted to lead from the rear (which sounds like it should be on one of those other threads…

  69. keepinitreal says:

    LOL aislander.

  70. “…and I thought he said he wanted to lead from the rear (which sounds like it should be on one of those other threads…”

    Why is it that you seem to be fascinatwd with peoples’ rears?

  71. From Bloomberg: “Goldman Sachs bankers are also the number one contributors to the Barack Obama presidential campaign, giving $691,930 to his campaign in this cycle [2008], according to the records.”

    You cite this as a (I think legitimate) criticism of Obama’s loyalties yet you continue to claim that Obama is some far left, socialist/marxist…

    So that means you think that Goldman Sachs is a commie front operation?

  72. aislander says:

    You are operating on the misapprehension that Wall Street types are free-market capitalists, beerBoy. The big Wall Street boys do much better under a heavily-regulated quasi-partnership with government.

    That situation is much more predictable and they know whom to influence and how. Corporatism, I think it’s called…

    Besides, haven’t you many times said the same thing?

  73. aislander – “free market” is a theory. It doesn’t exist anywhere except in books and in the minds of the worshippers at the Altar of the Invisible Hand. And, with the natural tendency of capitalists to strive to create monopolies, it never will.

  74. It looks like the Republicans are dead set upon nominating the guy with no core values as the one to run against Obama.

    Oh joy….my choices are Mittens and O’bama – neither of whom I would buy a used car from…..

  75. aislander says:

    John D. Rockefeller had half the private wealth in America when he was at his peak–a “robber baron,” doncha know? Do you know what happened to the price of gasoline when, for practical purposes, he controlled that market?

    He was not without competitors though (mainly because the Federal government wasn’t in a position to eliminate them as it later did with certain industries), so gasoline became cheaper and cheaper.

    Rockefeller knew that, if he raised prices, he would be undercut by a hungrier competitor. THAT was the free market at work.

    I trust that more than “politics…”

  76. President Obama leads from The White House, and will likely continue to do so for another term.

  77. SCORPION says:

    So you are one of the 16%…

    “In our New Year’s poll, when asked what news event they fear most about 2012, Americans by a margin of two-to-one said Obama’s reelection. Only 16 percent said they fear the Democrat won’t win a second term, while 33 percent said they fear four more years.”

  78. Rockefeller was a Nazi sympathizer and the US used its military in the Mideast to benefit Standard Oil…..not sure why aislander would cite him to support his belief in the Invisible Hand’s beneficence.

    http://coat.ncf.ca/our_magazine/links/53/rockefeller.html

  79. President Obama is twice the man and the keader that Bush-1 and Bush-2 are combined!

    Obama = Bush-1 + Bush-1 + Bush-2 + Bush-2

    President Obama is more of a leader than all of the current and former 2012 Republican candidates are combined. That includes Bachmann-Snow White and all the 7 Dwarves, including ex-candidate Cain.

    BTW, does anyone realize that Herman Cain’s “999” plan is simply “666” upside down?

  80. aislander says:

    We were discussing economics and the market, were we not, beerBoy?

    …and that “Mideast” thing: was that before or after John D. was no longer a factor and Standard oil had been broken up?

    Besides, no one said anything about beneficence; merely outcomes…

  81. beerBoy, very interesting article that you linked.

    John Davison Rockefeller (1839-1937), the world’s first billionaire, was America’s most generous philanthropist, fascist financier and Nazi collaborator.

    At the very end it also links Rockefeller to the Bush family!

    vvvveeeerrrryyyy eeeennteresting!

    So happy the Bush’s are out and President Obama is in The White House now.

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