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GINGRICH: ‘American Exceptionalism’ twists truth

Letter by Alfred K. LaMotte, Steilacoom on Dec. 12, 2011 at 1:55 pm with 147 Comments »
December 13, 2011 11:37 am

In 1831, Alexis de Tocqueville wrote, “America is not good because it is great, America is great because it is good.”

The Newt Gingrich creed of “American Exceptionalism” twists this truth, making American greatness an entitlement. Gingrich assumes that, as God’s chosen people, our manifest destiny is world dominion.

But the self-insulating arrogance of this creed only makes us mediocre, isolating us from global dialog. Inferior schools, collapsing infrastructure, exhausted soldiers, corporate serfdom, a growing gap between rich and poor, and a vulture economy that thrives on debt instead of creating real jobs or products, all belie imperial failure rather than greatness.

Paralyzed by political corruption and insatiable consumerism, ours is the fate of all puffed-up oligarchies that live beyond their means on the sweat of Third World labor.

But this isn’t the apocalypse. It’s only the collapse of empire, making way for a wiser, leaner lifestyle.

We are called not to restore our own exceptionalism, but to restore exceptional rivers, forests, soil and skies. Not to rebuild corporate military power, but to rebuild community, and the covenant of care between our rich and poor. Not to conquer the planet, but to walk gently as guests of this land, trusting the sustainable wealth of the local and the small.

What is the greatest country? Earth. Who are the greatest people? Human beings. When Americans replace a sense of superiority with a celebration of one world family, we will be more joyful, more relaxed, and not so fat.

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  1. truthbusterguy says:

    Mr. Gingrich has done more for “American Exceptionalism” by accident than obummer has done on purpose.

    As astounding as it sounds, the demise of American exceptionalism is being scripted and choreographed by none other than our nation’s president. The current administration is deliberately and systematically working to destroy the clearly-defined and historic safeguards against tyranny in our nation. Indeed our own President has in years past said that the Constitution is problematic in how it constrains government, says what the government must not do, and how it does not describe “what the federal government must do on your behalf.”

    He is building a limp wristed entitled society that will soon be dependant on government for EVERYTHING. Can’t you see how he is destroying our spirit. Just last night he was excited that UE would be at 8% before his re-election. He can only lower standards so he can meet them, like in our schools.

  2. The much ballyhooed Keystone XL project turns out to be not the jobs creator that Repubs have been claiming.

    TransCanada’s vice president for pipelines, Robert Jones, told CNN a few weeks ago, that it would create hundreds of permanent jobs.

    Cornell University’s Global Labor Institute did its own evaluation, concluding that the project would employ between 2,500 and 4,650 construction workers. “Most jobs created will be temporary and non-local,” the institute concluded in its report, appropriately titled, “Pipe Dreams?”

    Local hires hover below 15 percent, the institute calculated, based on data provide by TransCanada, as much of this work requires special skills and the workers capable of performing sophisticated pipeline tasks would likely be brought in from outside the region.

    “KXL will not be a major source of U.S. jobs, nor will it play any substantial role at all in putting Americans back to work,” the Cornell report states.
    http://www.ilr.cornell.edu/globallaborinstitute/research/upload/GLI_KeystoneXL_Reportpdf.pdf

    A more optimistic analysis from the State Department concludes that the project would, at best, create 6,000 temporary jobs, of which perhaps 900 would be local hires.
    http://www.keystonepipeline-xl.state.gov/clientsite/keystonexl.nsf/16_KXL_FEIS_Sec_3.10_Socioeconomics.pdf?OpenFileResource

  3. bb – what is your point? This is a privately funded project (mostly?). The cost per job is not borrowed money. The jobs employs Americans. A project by definition is temporary.

    Where do you think all those road crews come from. They hire local, need more? Expand out to the county, need more? Expand out to the region, need more? Expand out to the state…. on and on until you get the people with the skill set you need.

    Dude, we’re nitpicking an actual relatively shovel ready project?

  4. aislander says:

    F.Lamo tries to use a concept created by progressives back in the early 20th Century to attempt to tar a moderate conservative. Conservatives at the time didn’t buy it.

    America has not been exceptional because of some metaphysical gift it has received, but by the very real gift it has given to us Americans: freedom.

    When we lose that–and we have lost a LOT–we will be as feckless as the French…

  5. T-B-G,
    If America is exceptional,
    Than American workers must also be exceptional,
    But American Corporations and Businesses would rather use foreign labor to create exceptionally high profits on which they pay exceptionally low or no US taxes.

    It was the previous administration that deliberately and systematically destroyed many of our basic against tyranny (thank unitary president) and referred to the Constitution as a hindrance.

    Qq – the ‘project’ to rebuild New Orleans was conducted by private companies (at taxpayers expense) who brought in cheap foreign workers rather than hire local workers.

    Seems you are still wearing blinders.

  6. sandblower says:

    Excellent letter Mr. LaMotte. The unthinking wingnuts will not like a reasoned evaluation of what is true. The French enjoy freedoms and equalities that surpase ours if one cares to measure beyond allowing someone to carry a gun on the street.
    The Right’s claim of exceptionalism is directly connected to their belief that we do not need to behave as a nation, that we can do as we please and the rest of the world be dammed. That certainly was Shrub’s view and Cheney’s and Krauthammer’s to mention three. There are more, but I try to be polite to my keyboard by not fouling the keys as I hit the letters in a proper sequence to list their names.

  7. concernedtacoma7 says:

    “and the covenant of care between our rich and poor”.

    What covenant? The rich pay their taxes. Charity is up to the individual, not the government.

    And why is the left anti-American? We are the nation that ended slavery, we are the nation the world turns to in any emergency. We freed Europe twice. We have a lot to be proud of as a nation, but the professorial left would have you believe we are all evil.

    We would not be communicating on computers and over the internet without the freedoms and entrapanurial spirit fostered by our capitalist society.

    And while society is flattening, we are no where near flat. And why would we want to be? Why lose national identity? That is a utopian dream of the left, but an extreme view with no benefits.

  8. I surely thought the right-wing faction on this blog would immediately pick apart paragraph 6 where Alfred writes; “We are called not to restore our own exceptionalism, but to restore exceptional rivers, forests, soil and skies.” I was expecting to see severe criticism of Alfred’s liberal leaning eco-friendly message.

    When Alfred wrote in the same paragraph, in fact the very next line; “Not to rebuild corporate military power, but to rebuild community, and the covenant of care between our rich and poor.” I was sure the right-wing faction would bust a gut rebuking such a presumed “covenant”. Is he, or is he not justifying Obamacare in that phrase?

    And Alfred writes:

    “What is the greatest country? Earth.” I had to ask: What? Earth is not a country Alfred.

    “Who are the greatest people? Human beings.” Again I asked: What! Um, yah, because human beings are the only people Alfred.

    “When Americans replace a sense of superiority with a celebration of one world family, we will be more joyful, more relaxed, and not so fat.” Right! Because once we are a global family, and American workers are making the same wages as Chinese workers, then we’ll all be a lot skinnier, except of course for the 1%ers, who will still be the Fat Cats!

    But, really the thing that I think has thrown off all the righties is the reference in the beginning to Newt Gingrich. And that always has me puzzled. I wonder every time I see Gingrich in the news how in the world he has become so popular among the righties. He is a liar, a cheater, a fraud, he was sanctioned by congress, virtually kicked out of Washington D.C., and this is who the righties want to be their candidate for president. Well, I guess the old saying is true, “It takes one to know one.” which is perhaps why they feel such a kinship with Newt. Either they are just like him, or they want to be.

    I am not a Democrat, and I am certainly not a Republican, but personally I hope Newt Gingrich does get the Republican nomination, because President Obama will have no trouble at all kicking his butt back out of D.C. hopefully for the last time.

  9. Oh, and truth…guy, who wrote: “He is building a limp wristed entitled society…”

    Your homophobia is showing truthy…guy!

  10. truthbusterguy says:

    muckibr,

    If I was a homophobe I would have called them limp wristed, red diaper doper, pinko commie, pencil neck, coward, liberal loving dems.

    And, don’t forget to say Merry Christmas.

  11. took14theteam says:

    So bB, were BHO’s “shovel ready jobs” permanent?

  12. SwordofPerseus says:

    Truthy-guy;

    Sadly it seems that you are missing the point of Mr. LaMotte’s letter entirely. The idea of “American Exceptionalism”(not really a word, just the quote) is not to be envied, it is a mythical ideal, held by the deeply misguided, prejudiced and ignorant. The US now is a once great empire in the death throws of decline. That doesn’t mean that it can’t be a nice place to live again sometime. Very soon I hope. Still waiting for change, occupy is the seed, the changes will come and grow. We all need to work together and realize that BIG business is not the problem, monopolies must be dissolved, permanently. Too much wealth in the hands of too few people leads to social and economic ruin. This idea of entitlement to unlimited sums of wealth need to be eradicated from human thought. It is an anathema to democracy and a free society.

  13. SwordofPerseus says:

    EDIT

    READ: …BIG business is the problem.

  14. Concerned;
    The US outlawed slavery 1865, Cuba in 1880, China in 1910, and in Mauritania in 1981 (last country to do so).

    The income divide in the US is at an all time high

    Please do some research before posting nonsense.

    T-b-g “ If I were” – six insults, 5 of which are asexual, and one that proves your homophobia.

  15. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    bB, while I agree Flamotte’s regurgitated leftist drivel is not worth a response, I was nevertheless wondering how long you have been waiting to spring your Keystone slam.

    Non-sequitur much?

    And who the heck thought/ thinks the jobs that are being “ballyhooed” would all be permanent?

    Geez, bB, I know you were alive during the Alaska Pipeline construction. That project involved 28,000 workers at its peak, and a total of 70,000 people worked on at least a portion of the line. Are you really so ignorant of construction as to believe those were all permanent jobs? Do you expect we are/ should be?

    Wowzers.

  16. sandblower says:

    The absolute best part of the Kestone XL pileline deal has to be the announcement today that Canada will opt out, according to their option, of the Kyoto Accords. There is no way they can meet their CO2 requirements and still develop their tar sands. God, I love it when things come together.
    Now we have only to wait for informed Canadian citizens to speak. Mr. Premier, you are out of here.

  17. vox – just got that info….didn’t wait at all to post it.

    The information that I posted wasn’t my conclusions it was from the TransCanada VP of pipelines, Columbia University’s Global Labor Institute and the State Dept.

    And yes qq – jobs are jobs, even if they are few and temporary but…..wasn’t that the central thrust of the right’s criticism of any positive spin about jobs from Obama? And yet many on the Right are claiming that, if Obama really wanted to fix the jobs situation, he would have approved KXL in spite of the myriad of problems associated with it?

    And….could you enlighten me how a project that requires the Federal Government to declare eminent domain from the North to the South borders of our country is a “private” operation?

  18. bb – there are multiple things about the pipeline that are positive…

    Jobs – it provided a source of jobs that are relatively well paying to a fairly large region of the country. Some are permanent, some are temporary. That is the nature of project work and people actually do fine by that sort of work.

    Debt – these jobs are not financed by government debt, the stimulus was. There is a cost that is expected to be covered by the revenues from the pipeline not on the backs of taxpayers.

    Energy Independence – we kinda like Canada and they kinda like us. The oil comes from a ‘friendly’ country. Not quite wind turbines nor solar but better than blood oil from the Middle East.

    Problems – there are always problems, there are always risk. At some point leaders grow a set, make a decision and monitor for issues moving on.

    Eminent domain – is an administrative issue. Local governments themselves are competing for a piece of that pipeline through parts of their counties so that they can get a piece of the revenue pie. The local, state and federal government need not put in a whole bunch of money INTO this part of the process. It is a ‘private operation’. OK, eminent domain, sign here and we are done. A permit here and there and they are done.

  19. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    And the thread drift continues.

    blower sez:

    “The absolute best part of the Kestone XL pileline deal has to be the announcement today that Canada will opt out, according to their option, of the Kyoto Accords.“

    LMAO!

    Yeah, nice little theory, blower, too bad you made it up yourself. The reasons cited for Canada being the first (of many to come) to opt out of Kyoto sound, not surprisingly, identical to the reasons given by the US and Australia, for not participating in the first place, to wit:

    (CNN) – For Canada, the cost of either meeting its commitments under the Kyoto Protocol, or failing to do so, was too much to bear.

    On Monday, the country became the first signatory of the landmark climate treaty to back out of the deal, citing the huge potential cost of legally binding commitments.

    Confirming the move, environment minister Peter Kent said to meet its obligations under the accord dramatic action would need to be taken to reduce greenhouse-gas emissions.

    Kent accused the former Liberal government of being “incompetent” for signing the accord and failing to meet its targets. As a result, he said, the current Conservative government, which took office in 2006, now faces “radical and irresponsible” choices if it is to avoid the $14 billion in international penalties he said it must pay for failing to meet those targets as a signatory to the accord.

    Kent said to comply with Kyoto, Canada would have to take every single vehicle off its roads.

    “Every car, truck, ATV, tractor, ambulance, police car,” he elaborated in a media briefing, before giving another equally unpalatable option of closing down the country’s entire farming and agricultural sector and cutting heat to every home, building and factory.

    If the country failed to do so, Kent said taxpayers would have to give $14 billion to other countries (equivalent to $1,600 per Canadian family) “with no impact on emissions or the environment.”

    In other words, the Kyoto Accords are nothing less than a quasi-legal, economy-wrecking disguise for wealth redistribution on a global scale, with the ultimate aim of returning industrialized countries to pre-industrial age, backward agrarian societies.

    The Canadian citizens were the first to “speak”… in 2006. And even the Campaigner-in-Chief is not quite so stupid as to fall for this charade… or its replacement.

    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=113868225

    So, following your… logic, Mr. President, you are out of here… right?

  20. qq – one HUGE problem that seems to be overlooked is the fact that oil sands are the dirtiest, most expensive to refine source of oil there is.

    OK…costs are a private concern….except, of course, when the US government is subsidizing oil.

    But the environmental impact isn’t a private concern.

  21. “Mr. Gingrich has done more for “American Exceptionalism” by accident than obummer has done on purpose.”

    Yeah, his $300,000 fine for accidental ethics violations and his accidental affair with an aide are things that the current President has been able to avoid.

    Quite exceptional.

  22. And yes….I own it….KXL is a tangent. I was looking for the thread where someone posted a tangent about KXL criticizing Obama’s jobs efforts because the Pipeline was postponed. I wanted to post this as a fact-based response to that bogus claim.

    But, it was early and I didn’t want to waste that much time trying to find it. Figured the mention to Gingrich in the letter was enough of an admittedly tenuous link for me to mention it.

  23. bb – it appears to me that no matter what the issue is with the pipeline that fault will be found for it not to move forward.

    Thank you for admitting to thread theft… ;)

    To get back on subject… kinda… I thank GOD, the big man in the sky, that this kind of thinking was not allowed to impede the birth of this, the greatest most exceptional nation of God’s green earth.

    Close enough…

  24. LarryFine says:

    Thread drift indeed… sometimes he gets hold of a little factoid and can’t wait to post it on the appropriate thread.

  25. It is one thing to shine a light on things that need to be fixed in this country. There are many. It’s quite another to make a statement like this one made by the letter-writer who cannot hide his contempt for his homeland.

    ‘Paralyzed by political corruption and insatiable consumerism, ours is the fate of all puffed-up oligarchies that live beyond their means on the sweat of Third World labor.’

    While I’m not an “America, Love It or Leave It” type normally, I would suggest that the body of Mr. L’s work makes a compelling case for him to pack his bags and head for, let’s say maybe Norway or Sweden. I think he’d be very happy there, although something tells me he’d soon find sometthing over which to wax dour and hopeless there too. To lament, w/arrogance, appears to be his calling.

  26. sandblower says:

    The Myth of American Exceptionalism is an excuse used by the extreme right when they misbehave. It is also the title of an article found here for your reading enjoyment and cerebral enlightenment.
    http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/10/11/the_myth_of_american_exceptionalism

  27. Pacman33 says:

    fRed LaMotte says with a Russian accent ~ “What is the greatest country? Earth. … a celebration of one world family, we will be more joyful, more relaxed, and not so fat.”

    Not so fat? …. Or do you mean starving? …. And Communist?
    You know, the standard door prizes following a “Revolution” that begins with psychological collapse of capitalism, contrived and force fed class war and a front of vile attacks bent on breaking the spirits of the future, boorish proletariat.

    But the self-insulating arrogance of the creed of world socialism in advocating a “one world” revolution of global scale is the realistic and historic imperial failure. Further, it is the United State’s Exceptional uniqueness to the gaggle of dreary and bankrupt Socialist European nations the left wishes to model the US after, that makes their destructive abuses to this nation so infuriating. Unfortunately for the US, the Progres-unists won’t rest until the whole world suffers ‘equally’.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_revolution

    “Workers of the world forgive me”
    ~ Anonymous Graffiti in Bucharest

  28. Alfred sez: “When Americans replace a sense of superiority with a celebration of one world family, we will be more joyful, more relaxed, and not so fat.”

    Absolutely! And isn’t that exactly what the so-called “job creators” want? Because once we are a global family, and American workers are making the same wages as Chinese workers, then we’ll all be a lot skinnier, except of course for the 1%ers, who will still be the Fat Cats!

  29. Men’sHealth News, July 11. 2011: Can’t decide if you trust your new coworker? Take a long look at his face. If it’s narrow, that could mean he’s honest, but if it’s wide, he’s more likely to be a dirty liar, according to a new study from the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee.

    Obviously then, based on this scientific study: President Obama is honest and Newtron Gingrinch is a “dirty liar.” Case closed!

  30. LarryFine complaining about a thread drift is like Bill O’Reilly complaining about the War on Christmas(Christianity) with a loofa in each hand.

    “who cannot hide his contempt for his homeland.”

    Where is the “Alinksy Accusation” when we need it? I love the term “homeland”. It’s so….well, you know.

  31. Since we are talking about Gingrich and “exceptionalism”, I wonder why he is the exception to his rule about people associated with Fannie Mae should be in prison?

    Exceptional exception.

  32. Not at all RW – what specific crime di Newt commit? I got the pink handcuffs ready. Once you provide a valid charge I will be more than happy to cuff him up and do the pert walk…

    Let me know…

    orrr… are you just pontificating?

  33. LarryFine says:

    Hey RW_nos… just a simple observation. Not sure how you see a complaint… then again…

  34. Pre 9/11 Americans had a Country. Europeans had Homelands. Let the Europeans have their Homelands, I’ll stand by My Country.

    Newt’s lies about his association with Fannie Mae:
    1. He attempted to cover it up.
    2. He claimed he only made $60,000.
    3. He claimed he was hired as an historian.
    4. He claimed he never worked as a lobbyist.

  35. RW – Pontificating it is…

    You made the claim above, I specifically asked what ‘valid charge’ and you still provide pontification…

    Newt is not a criminal, otherwise he could not run for President. No crime committed just a lot of BS accusations, implications, etc…

  36. A more appropriate view of your country is one akin to how a father looks to his son. He may be proud of his son, but does not let his son rest on his laurels. A father will always keep a concerned eye on his son to ensure he walks the straight line. Father will celebrate his son, but won’t hesitate to critique and discipline him.

    At the moment (and long before Obama, btw) our country is no where near the top in low infant mortality, life expectancy, overall health, access to health care, academic performance, state of national infrastructure… list goes on and on. I suppose we have more oversees military bases than anyone else, if that makes anyone feel better. Oh – someone mentioned slavery – we are not the country who stopped slavery. England, France, Germany, Spain and countless others whooped us good on being the first, and by a long shot. We are great, but we are also flawed.

  37. The letter is nonsense. When I have time, I’ll read the comments but they don’t look real promising at first glance.

  38. Soundlife says:

    It’s hard to imagine a mind as simple, as empty, as deluded as poor Alfred’s.
    Perhaps he should find his way to Pakistan’s Northwest Frontier and lead the Jihadists in singing Kumbaya.
    Rather, his type will lead their lives hear under the protection of their betters, constantly babbling about their own smug superiority as the “earth’s” protector.

  39. Soundlife says:

    And to avoid any confusion, I despise Newt, and could not imagine a scenerio under which I would vote for him.
    Big government progressives are dangerous to our nation, regardless of their party stripe

  40. “Newt is not a criminal, otherwise he could not run for President. No crime committed just a lot of BS accusations, implications, etc…”

    A $300,000 fine and removal from the Speaker of the House was just BS?

    Eighty-four ethics charges were filed against Speaker Gingrich during his term. After extensive investigation and negotiation by the House Ethics Committee, Gingrich was sanctioned US$300,000 by a 395-28 House vote. The first time in history a speaker was disciplined for ethical wrongdoing.

    Now take a close look at that vote. Even the GOP acknowledged Newt’s wrong doings.

    Obama has been called a criminal for doing nothing wrong or illegal and Newt is supported after being removed as Speaker. Only in America.

  41. Interesting how the GOP and TEA Party Conservatives are cranking up the “kumbaya” and “pacification” message again, about progressives and, in particular, Obama.

    I wonder how Osama Bin Laden and 20 other former Al Queda leaders feel about Obama’s “kumbaya”?

    Considering the military, under the direction of Barack Obama accomplished what could not be done from March 2003 to January 2009, under the previous “leadership”, I’d suggest that the Conservatives find a different drum to bang. Obama will make them look more ridiculous than usual if they continue on this message road.

  42. What is Newt Gingrich GUILTY of?

    Well, not only is Newt Gingrich GUILTY of being a Serial Adulterer, but Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul says Newt Gingrich guilty of ‘serial hypocrisy’

    (VIDEO) >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWKTOCP45zY

    Even Rush Limbaugh has problems with Newt Gingrich!

  43. concernedtacoma7 says:

    What did BHO do for the military in Iraq, except say go home? And he did not say that for the Soldiers, but for far-left. Victory over the insurgency was won due to W’s surge, one of the few successful counter-insurgencies in modern times.

    Nice re-write of history.

    Yes, BHO pulled the trigger on UBL after a nap to think it over. Does that make up for a failed stimulus, high unemployment, out of control spending, a divided nation, obamacare, etc… Nope.

  44. Right! After W’s surge, which came after W’s lies that put our troops into Iraq in the first place, based on lies.

    W is personally responsible for more than 4,500 American soldiers DEATHS! That’s a fine leadership example for you!

  45. sandblower says:

    concerned’s comment takes the lead, RW, for continuing ridiculousness. The stimulus was a success as far as it was allowed to go by the republicans. Unemployment problems stem for the failed policies of the preceding President’s administration which led to the recession, and the divided nation is the direct result of Republicans’ outrageous emphasis on making the President a one term guy. And he criticizes healthcare for all because he is typical of the extreme right whose mantra is always stingy, mean and nasty.

  46. rw – he was absolved of all charges. it was on page 20-something in the New York Times…

    Do you not realize that Pakistan just kicked us out of their country and said they will shoot down any drones over their nation…

    Yep, we got em… I was impressed… until the political spin began as well as administration… well… lying according to the Seals that were there.

    Obama can talk a good game and provide good talking points for you but stratch the surface and it all falls apart.

  47. took14theteam says:

    The stim-u-less was a slush fund to pay back the union doners and the democrat donors, nothing more. Other than to mortgage my children and their children’s future earnings.

  48. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Blow- Dems had the trifecta, House/Senate/WH. Nice try passing the buck. Typical lib. No responsibility.

    Stingy? OK, I do not even see that as an insult. Be an adult please. Tossing around money borrowed from China is stupid and has done nothing for our country but put us in debt to people who are not our friends.

    I am anything but extreme. You love to use that term for anyone who disagrees with the progressives.

  49. >> concerned… If you’re going to rewrite history, then don’t forget to write out the part about W using lies and unfounded fears of non-existent WMDs to commit U.S. troops into Iraq in a pre-emptive strike in the first place. Then you can write about the W “surge” you are so proud of.

    But don’t forget to write about the fact that W is personally responsible for over 4,500 U.S. service-members DEATHS, not to mention the 10s of thousands more indigenous personnel who were killed in that blood bath, all thanks to your hero W.

  50. sandblower says:

    concerned always forgets the 60 vote majority requirement in the Senate. It’s called shallow thinking.

  51. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    And Canada bowed out of the Kyoto Redistribution Mandates because the Keystone Pipeline/ tars sands development would push them out of compliance, LMFAO!

    Truly, blower has earned a seat at the exclusive TNT looney left square table.

  52. bobcat1a says:

    “my concern is not whether God is on our side; my greatest concern is to be on God’s side” -A Lincoln
    “American Exceptionalism” is all about being on God’s side (whether you believe in a literal God or not). That means we should remember that “thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.” The love of money is the root of all evil. If a child anywhere goes to bed hungry while you dine on caviar and champagne (figuratively), you have sinned, not against some God but against your own humanity.

  53. BTW concerned… If you’re going to rewrite history, then don’t forget to write out the part about W using lies and unfounded fears of non-existent WMDs to commit U.S. troops into Iraq in a pre-emptive strike in the first place. Then you can write about the W “surge” you are so proud of.

    But don’t forget to write about the fact that W is personally responsible for over 4,500 U.S. service-members DEATHS, not to mention the 10s of thousands more indigenous personnel who were killed in that blood bath, all thanks to your hero W.

  54. Concerned –
    BushBaby’s surge was not a success, and will go down in history as one of his worse mistakes – right up there with WMD.

    In the first two years of Obama’s President, the do-nothing Rcons in the Senate filibustered more bills than had been blocked prior to 2007.

    Vox – So Canada bowed out of the Kyoto Accords because tar sand development would push compliance up? HO HO HO.

  55. Pacman33 says:

    xring erroneously blathered ~ “surge was not a success”

    “I think that the surge has succeeded in ways that nobody anticipated, It’s succeeded beyond our wildest dreams.”
    ~Barack Obama~

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/04/barack-obama-on-the-oreil_n_124056.html

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26550764/ns/politics-decision_08/t/iraqi-surge-exceeded-expectations-obama-says/#.Tug3-rJFvyo

    Does lying get you off or something? Is there some kind of rush in it?

    With MSLSD and the Huffblow being quite left-leaning. You would’ve had to be getting info from an pretty radical source if you weren’t lying.

    That would explain your absurd excuse for the do-nothing supermajority that had a hard enough time with getting Dem votes with legislation so leftist it had to be printed on red paper. If the Dems couldn’t sucker their own into socialism why would a filibuster be relevant or expectations of R’s signing on be realistic?

  56. “Exceptionalism” is that like Gingrich getting millions for being a “historian” for Freddie Mac and then turning around and criticizing the Dems’ involvement with the mortgage backer?

    Or, is it more like making speeches about why a blue dress is grounds for removing a sitting president and then cheating on your wife.

    Or….there are just too many to list.

  57. One more time… the blue dress was not the issue, lying about the episode that lead to the blue dress was.

    If Bubba had just said “yeah, I did it’ the impeachment would never had happened.

    You can make a case for ‘high crimes’ for lying. It is real hard to make a case for ‘high crimes’ for getting a piece of strange. That’s between you and the Mrs.

  58. Newt is not a criminal if and only if taking bribes is not a criminal action.
    What’s more he is un-ethical

    P33 – Chop and Paste much? Had you read more that the headlines of your articles you would have discovered “beyond our wildest dreams” referred ONLY to the reduction in violence and not to the more important political political reconciliation and Iraqi self-sufficiency it was required.

    The surge may have temporarily reduced violence but failed to achieve any of the stated political progress that the surge was supposed achieve.

    http://www.docudharma.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=7876

    http://discuss.epluribusmedia.net/since_when_did_the_surge_succeed

    Basic rule of insurgents: When faced with super forces avoid contact. Or as one insurgent leader said:
    “They sent out a squad and it disappeared.
    They sent out a platoon and we ambushed it.
    They sent out a company and we sniped at it.
    They sent out a battalion, and we left it alone.”

    You may now go set in the corner and wear the point hat that matches your head.

  59. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    Oh no, bB, please go on.

    I would particularly like to see the link to the speech “about why a blue dress is grounds for removing a sitting president”. More interesting would be the sequencing of “and then cheating on your wife’, considering the House impeachment proceedings took place at roughly the same time former Speaker Gingrich and his then-wife Marianne were separated and subsequently divorced.

    So would the National Enquirer.

    But here, let me help (I have access to left wing blog posts too):

    – He bounced 22 checks at the House Bank
    – He was accused of using taxpayer equipment to write a book in 1984 (no violation proven)
    – There was the appearance of impropriety in the 1995, 4.5 million book deal with Harper Collins and its owner, Rupert Murdoch (no violation proven)
    – There was the accusation of illegal use of GOPAC non-profit/ tax exempt status to support himself and other conservative candidates (again, no violations proven)
    – And then there are the Nancy Sleazosi… implications…

    Am I missing anything?

  60. I hope Newt Gingrich does get the Republican nomination for president. That will be an absolute guarantee of four more years for The Obama Administration to fix what The Bush Administration and Republican Party have ruined in this country and around the world.

    Go Newt Go!

    Newt’s only “exceptionalism” is that he thinks he is above the laws or ordinary Americans. He thinks that the rules apply to everyone else EXCEPT him. He believes he is better than everyone else, including the very conservatives and Republicans who currently support him. He looks down his nose at everyone, not just the lefties, but also the righties.

    Go Newt Go!

    Because I already know that The President is the assured candidate for the Democratic Party, when the Primary Election is held here in Washington state I will most probably vote for Newt Gingrich to get the Republican nomination, because I truly believe that President Obama can more easily beat Newt than either Romney or Paul.

    Go Newt Go!

  61. I want to thank Fred Lamotte for this forum. Because of his letter the Conservatives are actually having to talk about a Republican candidate for President

  62. Am I missing anything?

    There are a whole slew of hubristic quotes from the Newt. And then there is that shutting down of Government in a petulant rage because he felt snubbed by where his seat assignment was on Airforce One….

    I gotta tell ya….if I were a Ron Paul supporter I would be feeling pretty happy right now.

  63. Thank you, Alfred. Instead of the constant navel gazing and chest pounding, you make a thoughtful statement on what it is to be human. December being the pinnacle of gluttonous consumerism, this letter is timely. Real priorities mean we house the over 60’000 veterans that live on the street instead of threatening to bomb yet more countries. Any government and society should truly serve to the benefit of its people before raining devastation down on nations half a world away. How much good can you do with a trillion dollars? We know exactly how much devastation we get for it.

  64. qq… wrote: “One more time… the blue dress was not the issue, lying about the episode that lead to the blue dress was.”

    If the blue dress was NOT one of the issues, then why was it taken by the FBI as EVIDENCE and tested to determine the DNA source?

    And, why do you focus on only ‘high crimes’ when the articles of impeachment clearly state “high crimes and misdemeanors”.

    But, in spite of all your disinformation, this topic is about Gingrich, not Clinton. Bill Clinton is old news. We’re talking about Newt now qq… Try to keep up.

    Let’s stick to the high crimes and misdemeanors of Newt Gingrich, as there are quite a few accusations throughout his political career. (Seriously, let’s focus on Newt to help President Obama’s opposition research effort, okay?)

  65. Pacman33 says:

    TheSlag slurred ~
    “How much good can you do with a trillion dollars? We know exactly how much devastation we get for it.”

    – Obamacare ?
    – Stimu-less Bill ?

    “Thank you, Alfred …. you make a thoughtful statement on what it is to be human”

    I beg to differ. What fRed has deposited is nothing more than an example of left’s anti-American neurosis, guilt, and self-loathing.

    How sorry and pathetic is a man who attacks another mans pride in anything, yet another man’s pride in his nation?
    Progressives use a strategy of divide and conquer. They use hate and envy to trigger class, race, age and sex divisions in society. The Left uses those divisions to create a crisis and an excuse for their programs to expand governmental control, only increasing the chance of government intrusion and meddling to incite another crisis to sustain the cycle. It is done regardless of the damage done to the country they hate.

    When an individual is as shameless, devious and corrupt as the average leftist, their conscience makes it difficult to feel pride in anything, including themselves; who they are, where they’re from. This is why the left is unable to see “American Exceptionalism” isn’t a myth manufactured by conservatives with pride in their country the leftists despise. It is a Vision followed by a set of principled actions that made us the envy of the world. It is the Motivation within individuals around the world, from nations leftists wish the U.S. to emulate, who wish to come here.

    The left believes it is a myth because pride itself is a myth to the left.

  66. And what exactly does that have to do with Newt, Blaine?

    I’m certain that the American military can handle your action. Take a trip to Fort Lewis with your gun and see what the guards at the gate have to say.

  67. Yacman said – “How sorry and pathetic is a man who attacks another mans pride in anything, yet another man’s pride in his nation?”

    Yet, daily, the Right Wing loonies attack Obama’s pride in America.

  68. I’d really ask you all to read the post by Pacman33 and then you decide who is using hate speech to trigger divisions.

    He starts out with “TheSlag slurred” and follows that up by referring to Alfred as fRed.

    As I have often maintained on these blogs, name-calling is one of the most childish and immature things a person can do on these blogs. Name-calling adds nothing whatsoever to the quality of the debate. Name-calling simply reflects badly back upon the name-caller and distracts from the rest of the comment that may or may not have any worthwhile content.

    In this case the message by Pacman33 is completely devoid of any useful content. It is simply anti-left extreme right-winger rabid accusations that can never be proven. It’s a complete waste of time to bother reading, except as it can be used to define Pacman33 himself, as are most of Pacman33s diatribes.

    Pacman33 is simply exhibiting bitter hateful Extremism, which has nothing whatsoever to do with American Exceptionalism.

  69. The left believes it is a myth because pride itself is a myth to the left.

    ??????????????

    Not sure how that statement was meant to be an insult. Or how it was meant to mean anything.

  70. sorry for my “yacman” typo, muckibr.

    Although, you must admit, it was danged near Freudian

  71. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Muck- “But, in spite of all your disinformation, this topic is about Gingrich, not Clinton. Bill Clinton is old news”

    Yet Bush is brought up everyday on this forum. Where is your outrage?

    And please answer the following question- Why does the left have no pride? Not in self or country. Why?

  72. I know what you mean RW…, I’ve made typos from time to time that were somewhat Freudian.

    With regard to Blaine, I wondered when the “Right to Bear Arms” was elevated to a “God-given right”. I thought it was simply a 2nd Amendment Right. And he worships “ground”. And who is trying to impose communism? For such a short comment Blaine has packed it full of hate-speech for sure!

    beerBoy, To tell you the truth, it’s often hard to find any coherent message in what Pacman33 writes. Seems to be a lot of mindless rambling most of the time.

  73. concern… I was not outraged about the reference to Clinton. Simply making a point that this topic is about Gingrich. I don’t care if someone wants to bash Bush, as long as they make it relevant to the topic.

    Regarding your question: No, I don’t feel compelled to answer it, because the question itself is nonsense. And, I do not represent the left. I’m an Independent centrist. Your questions is stupid on the face of it because it draws a stereotype of all people, and not all people from the left think the same way. From my experience, most of the left leaning Americans I know have a lot of self pride and pride in their country as well. Your question is just stupid.

  74. “And please answer the following question- Why does the left have no pride?”

    Please answer my question – “does the Right have no ears or eyes?”

    A caller on a radio show jumped all over the host for his “hatred” of Conservatives, totally denying the hatred by Limbaugh, Hannity, et al.

    A later caller quoted Glenn Beck about choking the life out of Michael Moore.

    The sad part is that the Conservatives pretend that those things aren’t being said.

    Oh I left out the fun part – the first caller was bounced off the air for use of profanity. No hatred there, huh?

    The Left could stand at attention, saluting the flag, singing the national anthem every hour on the hour and the Right would say “when are you going to show some pride?”

  75. I could care less if the Right Wingees bring up Clinton. It’s a great entree to Newt’s philandering and ethics violations.

    Clinton isn’t running for office in 2012, thus anything said does no damage. Newt, on the other hand…….

  76. concernedtacoma7 says:

    The thread drifted to the integrity of politicians. Calling out Clinton falls under your reasoning for calling out Bush. Hypocrite.

    And you can lie to the yourself and the board, but you have consistantly posted inline with the far left/progressive crowd. You might be closer to the center here in the Puget Sound, but way off of the traditional definition of center.

    “name-calling is one of the most childish and immature things a person can do on these blogs. Name-calling adds nothing whatsoever to the quality of the debate. Name-calling simply reflects badly back upon the name-caller and distracts from the rest of the comment that may or may not have any worthwhile content.”

    Indirectly calling me “stupid” twice in one post. Acting tough from behind a key board with contradicting yourself.

    There are numerous polls that show the right is more patriotic, hence more pride in America. The left is blaming their individual financial situations on someone else (or some evil conspiracy of rich corporations), hence no pride in themselves or their abilities.

    Continue to spew your rhetoric, it simply turns off the real ‘center’. Support OWS and placing 4 year olds on active railroad tracks. That really draws in the center.

  77. concernedtacoma7 says:

    “Oh I left out the fun part – the first caller was bounced off the air for use of profanity. No hatred there, huh?”

    Are you serious with this? The caller could not debate without violating broadcasting rules?

    “The Left could stand at attention, saluting the flag, singing the national anthem every hour on the hour and the Right would say “when are you going to show some pride?” ”

    But they don’t. They support those that attack the Pledge and do not raise the flag as often as self-identified republicans. If they did, our Nation’s differences would be much smaller in scale and we would not be so divided.

  78. If they did, our Nation’s differences would be much smaller in scale and we would not be so divided.

    There’s the old baseless assertion that the Republicans salute the flag more than the Democrats. yadda yadda, blah blah

    I’m old enough to remember when Jose Feliciano and Jimi Hendrix were castigated by the Right for their interpretations of the Anthem. Hendrix was a US Military veteran.

    The Right will always make up phoney issues to further their fascist based patriotism.

    If the Left did as I posted, the Right would say they were purposefully doing it wrong because they were socialists.

  79. “Calling out Clinton falls under your reasoning for calling out Bush”

    Beg to differ. The issue taken with Bush is far more important to the American people than a dalliance with an aide in the Oval Office. Clinton’s philandering would have cost the American people nothing, had the Republicans not used it as a political leverage. Irag, however, cost us billions of dollars and thousands of lives.

  80. aislander says:

    Disagreeing with liberals is “hate speech.” According to liberals…

    That accusation is just another method lefties use to marginalize and discredit (without refuting) their opponents.

    I’d say “classic Alinsky,” but I learned recently that alluding to Alinsky is…hate speech.

  81. Describing the action of choking Michael Moore to death is “disagreeing” with liberals….according to conservatives.

    As I mentioned a few days back, I didn’t know who Alinsky was until the conservatives started using his name in reference to Obama and then everyone else the disagree with.

    Has anyone else noticed how the conservatives have moved this thread from the subject of Newt Gingrich, the leading Republican candidate for president?

  82. RW… If you ever need any examples of hate speech all you need to do is tune into Rush Limbaugh or Glen Beck for about a half hour at the most. You will get plenty of hate speech from that, I guarantee you!

  83. “Has anyone else noticed how the conservatives have moved this thread from the subject of Newt Gingrich, the leading Republican candidate for president?”

    Come the first week in November I will be asked to choose a candidate for President.

    You can rest assured that when I vote Newt Gingrich, I do so because even with all the baggage he brings with him to the White House, he will still be a better choice moving forward then Obama.

    It may not speak will for Newt but you gotta ask, how bad are you at your job if you can’t beat someone like a Newt Gingrich?

    I thought the same with John Kerry. You guys hated Bush, you had him on the ropes and you still couldn’t beat him in 2004. Bush was bad in your eyes. How do you think John Kerry feels losing to Bush in 2004?

    My guy may suck… but your guy sucks way more… sad, pitiful even for this country how we choose our leaders.

  84. Interesting how someone with 84 counts of ethics violations can be considered superior to our sitting president with no ethics violations.

    There is nothing wrong with President Obama unless you are a Republican.

  85. Bush was bad – try Bush lied to get us into a war.

    Kerry didn’t win because……Ohio. Florida 2000 revisited.

  86. “It may not speak will for Newt but you gotta ask, how bad are you at your job if you can’t beat someone like a Newt Gingrich?”

    The present national poll shows Obama at 51%, Gingrich at 40%.

    Of course, the Republicans can win with those numbers. See 2004 and 2000.

  87. You haven’t been paying very close attention to the polls have you qq…?

    Latest polls show that if it were Obama vs. Gingrich, Obama WINS easily.

    However, if its Obama vs. Romney, it’s almost a dead heat.

    Hell! Even Ron Paul has as good a chance against Obama as Gingrich does.

    USA Today/Gallup
    Obama 47 Romney 46
    Obama 50 Gingrich 44

    NBC News/WSJ
    Obama 47 Romney 45
    Obama 51 Gingrich 40
    Obama 50 Paul 37

    Rasmussen
    Obama 49 Gingrich 39

    Reuters/Ipsos
    Obama 48 Romney 40
    Obama 51 Gingrich 38

    AP/Gfk
    Obama 47 Romney 46
    Obama 51 Gingrich 42

    PPP
    Obama 48 Romney 42
    Obama 50 Gingrich 43
    Obama 48 Paul 40

    I REALLY DO HOPE Newt Gingrich does get the Republican nomination, because as I have said before, Obama will then be guaranteed another four years to fix what Bush and the Republicans have broken in this country.

  88. concernedtacoma7 says:

    There is nothing wrong with President Obama unless you are a Republican.”

    Or you live and work under his economic principles. Or, you are unemployed. Or you own a small business. Or, you pay for your own healthcare and are watching premiums skyrocket. Or you respect the principles of small govt staying out of our lives. Or you dislike our Nation divided. Or you are an Iraqi abandoned by him. Or you thought he would close Gitmo. Or you work in the energy sector.

    You like him if you live off the teet, with no vision of him bankrupting America. You like him if you want social change, which the principles that made us great are thrown out the window.

  89. LarryFine says:

    “If you ever need any examples of hate speech…(bla bla-yadda yadda) ,I guarantee you”

    How can you “guarantee” anything without even one example? The b.s eminating from you guys in the last few days is definately indicative… you’re good at the ol’ strawman brawl tho… and wallpapering.

  90. boy oh boy that set you guys off on a tear to defend your man in the Casa de Blanca. Only one poll counts and that one is on November 2012… until then we are all just jawboning.

    you are a little worried aren’t you guys? Considering the record Obama has to defend, I would be too.

  91. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    Actually, muck could have saved a lot of wall space here, by either not posting outdated polls without links, or just focusing like a laser beam on one big one:

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/story/2011-12-12/2012-election-swing-states-poll/51844930/1

    In swing states, Obama trails former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney among registered voters by 5 points, 43% vs. 48%, and former House speaker Newt Gingrich by 3, 45% vs. 48%.

    So you see, muck, nationwide polling is a bit deceiving. As every informed person knows, the swing states decide the election.

    HTH

    Now shall we talk about the independent vote?

  92. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    Her are some more bad numbers for ya’, muck:

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1111/68269.html#ixzz1gaCPUnFg

    The president’s job approval rating is at 44 percent, with a dangerously high 51 percent disapproval. Of those who disapprove, 41 percent say they feel strongly. Worse, in a sample of the 19 states that could swing to either party next year, Obama’s job approval fell to 40 percent and his disapproval increased to 57 percent. These numbers are on par with Obama’s standing on the eve of last year’s Democratic shellacking in the midterm elections.

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1111/68269.html#ixzz1gaCPUnFg

    Didya’ catch that last line, muck?

  93. Glenn Beck has called the supporters of Gingrich racists!

    “So if you’ve got a big government progressive or a big government progressive in Obama, one in Newt Gingrich, one in Obama, ask yourself this Tea Party: Is it about Obama’s race? Because that’s what it appears to be to me. If you’re against him but you’re for this guy, it must be about race. It’s the policies that matter.”

    Collected quotes from the Newt:
    http://www.truth-out.org/sites/default/files/cartoon121411.jpg

  94. bb – didn’t you and I have a little tiff about Glenn Beck… twice. I am sure you will correct me if memory fails but I believe he was the scourge of the earth, a liar, a bomb-thrower, a piece of human feces… you provided a link to all of Glenn Becks ‘lies’…

    but today Glenn is telling the ‘truth’

    Why do you dig these holes for yourself? It is fun throwing a little dirt on you, :)

    ps – blast from the past… is what Glenn Beck saying a ‘fact’ or an ‘opinion’?

  95. beerBoy, But, was Glenn Beck crying when he said that?

    Nobody with a functioning brain pays any attention to Glenn Beck anyway, do they? I

    I really do want Gingrich to win the Republican nomination. President Obama would beat Gingrich worse than he trounced good old McCain. The latest poll numbers clearly indicate Gingrich is a loser against President Obama by double digits.

    Go Newt Go!

  96. qq – didn’t say Beck was telling the truth (though a broken clock is accurate twice a day) – just posted what he said.

    I actually don’t agree with his statement. While there are some whose hatred of Obama is based in race, I think that support for Gingrich has more to do with right-wing loathing of Northeastern states and fear of Mormons and a desperate realization that Ron Paul (who is too Libertarian) and Jon Huntsman (who is too sane) are the only alternatives who haven’t self-imploded remaining.

  97. It is interesting that the Tea Party – of which Ron Paul is considered a major and important figure – isn’t fully embracing Ron Paul.

  98. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    Nobody with a functioning brain pays any attention to Glenn Beck anyway…

    So much for sanity, ’eh bB?

  99. beerBoy, looks like Vox is criticizing you for a comment I wrote. Sorry about that. But, as I have written a number of times on these blogs, some people could use a remedial reading comprehension course to help them out.

    On another topic I mentioned the good advice you offered to another person, who has also posted here, where you recommend he take a breath and try to write something without getting all wrapped up in emotionalism. Again I say, good advice, but you do know what The Good Book says about “throwing pearls before swine.”

    I just have to wonder if the others who write here, who disagree with me so often, embrace the same sentiments as expressed by the overtly emotional guy. They must like what he writes, because I don’t often see them criticize emotional guy. I guess emotional guy is just saying out loud what they might be too timid to say.

    Oh well, it takes all kinds, doesn’t it?

  100. another steaming pile

    what is it with right-leaning posters and their use of excremental exclamations?

  101. pacman – it is a tactic. A term I’ve seen used is called the reasonable man.

    You know who the person is but they hide behind a veneer of reasonableness. Typically they start a post with reason, take a dump (we are on a theme here), and end with a reasonable statement or premise.

    The ‘dumps’ are typically in the form of questions, examples… along those lines so that They don’t take ownership of them.

    Sometime a question is used asked in a reasonable manner that is meant to set a person back, off balance. Kinda like ‘ We don’t want to hurt the poor do we?’ ‘We don’t want to kill puppies do we?’

    Also the use of allies, complimenting bb here is a tactic. Make bb an ally by seeming reasonable and offering support.

    Kinda like when you actually pretend to listen to a soon to be former friends hot girlfriend, knowing that if you play it right she in turn will ‘listen’ to you. ;)

  102. beerBoy, yet even more evidence that they are fixated upon excrement.

  103. “If you ever need any examples of hate speech…(bla bla-yadda yadda) ,I guarantee you”

    How can you “guarantee” anything without even one example? The b.s eminating from you guys in the last few days is definately indicative… you’re good at the ol’ strawman brawl tho… and wallpapering.

    I love how LarryFine takes part of my quote, part of muckibr’s quote and makes it quote, but attributes it to no one.

    Whirled Net Daily is looking for another editor. Their coverage of a news event in Dallas, that they created, didn’t “fly” so good. (pun intended)
    http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/12/worldnetdaily_runs_aerial_wheres_the_real_birth_ce.php

    Good luck on your resume, Larry

  104. Geez, qq…..All this time I thought I was just having fun on a newspaper forum.

    Thanks for telling me my true motives as a conspirator.

  105. Make bb an ally by seeming reasonable

    Alas qq…you have provided evidence to support a conclusion that I was trying not to come to about you – your attempts to come across as a reasonable person who was interested in an actual dialogue are, as I feared, just a façade.

    With MoD not spending much time here I guess there really aren’t any reasonable right wingers I can talk to……sigh ;-(

  106. aislander says:

    beerBoy writes: “…what is it with right-leaning posters and their use of excremental exclamations?”

    A passion for accuracy?

  107. RW… To a hammer,everything is a nail. To a sane person, a comment is just a comment.

  108. Imagining aislander’s toilet with a target painted on the bottom….”Bull’s Eye!”

  109. Please keep comments civil, short and to the point. ALL CAPS, spam, obscene, profane, abusive and off topic comments will be deleted. Repeat offenders will be blocked

  110. further imagining of aislander yelling out, “Bombs away!”

  111. beerBoy, I just want you to know I have no hidden agenda, strategy or tactics.

    I simply respond to the comments with honesty and forthrightness.

    And, sometimes I take the time to compliment you, RW…, tuddo, xring, alindasue, menopaws, harley… and others for good comments you folks make, because I think you must get tired of the constant barrage of unfounded criticism, snide remarks, name-calling and disinformation from the other side. I know I do.

    Go Newt Go! I hope Newt wins the Republican nomination, because President Obama will exceptionally kick his butt in the General Election.

  112. aislander says:

    beerBoy is wallowing in coprology with the enthusiasm of a good German. I thought we were speaking figuratively, but…

  113. beerBoy, Just want you to know I have no hidden agenda, strategy or tactics.

    I simply respond to the comments with honesty and forthrightness.

    And, sometimes I take the time to compliment you, RW…, tuddo, xring, alindasue, menopaws, harley… and others for good comments you folks make, because I think you must get tired of the constant barrage of unfounded criticism, snide remarks, name-calling and disinformation from the other side. I know I do.

    Go Newt Go! I hope Newt wins the Republican nomination, because President Obama will exceptionally kick his butt in the General Election.

  114. are you conforted bb, knowing that someone is ‘listening’ to you… ;)

  115. BlaineCGarver says:

    Mr. LaMotte’s letter sounded more like an emotionaly charged speech by the class prsident at graduation. There is a reason that The United States remains the World’s leader, and it’s not because we crawl around begging forgivness, although Obama certainly tried and continues that attitude… Don’t like it here? Move.

  116. “Don’t like it here? Move.”

    America… Love it, or leave it!

    But for cripes sake don’t stay and try to improve it, or fix what’s broken. Just accept it the way it is, or get out!

    Yah, that’s a good attitude! NOT!

  117. aislander – I’m just following your lead. Not sure how you got Good German from that – unless you are suggesting that the Freikorps were into potty humor.

  118. Over 100 comments later….

    “Mr. LaMotte’s letter sounded more like an emotionaly charged speech by the class prsident at graduation.”

  119. SwordofPerseus says:

    Blaine,

    World leader in what? Do you have a clue or are you just spouting your normal ignorant red neck non sense?? My bet’s on just spouting.

    BTW The letter writer is correct, you are wrong again Blaine, no changes there.

  120. aislander says:

    The humor of various nationalities, beerBoy, is closely associated with that with which they are most uptight. With Americans, it’s sex, but with Germans…

  121. Speaking of Newt Gingrich! If you have a chance to watch the re-airing of the Thursday night the 15th, The Daily Show with Jon Stewart on Comedy Central, you really should. (It will be replayed a few times during the day on Friday on channel 60 at 1:00 am, 9:00 am, 6:00 pm, or go to http://www.thedailyshow.com and see if they have made the Episode for the 15th available.)

    Jon has a segment where he shows clips of many high profile Republicans who do NOT want Newt Gingrich to win the nomination. Including Tom Coburn, John Sununu, Glenn Beck and many many more!

  122. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Someone is scared of a debate between Newt and BHO.

    Speak your motives plainly.

    The Daily Show is comedy, not news. And O
    odd that you cite Beck. If his opinion was anti-BHO, would you be using him as a source?

    You now established GB as a trusted source, according to Muck.

  123. yabetchya says:

    muckibr says:
    Dec. 14, 2011 at 1:43 pm
    I have often maintained on these blogs, name-calling is one of the most childish and immature things a person can do on these blogs.

    Well dear sir….. in your own words just a few reminders.

    “aislander is the one here with the Attention Deficit Disorder, and I really hope he has that looked into.”

    “could go on, but I don’t need to. The fact is that the right is far more INTOLERANT in every respect than the left, and anyone with a functional brain knows that.”

    one thing great about all of this, is the fact that ANYONE can just go to any and all threads to “see, read, copy and paste” your own very words…no matter who you are today.

  124. yabetcha, “Attention Deficit Disorder” is not a name, it is a trait or even a disease. Saying that someone may have ADD is shorthand for saying that “someone has difficulty focusing on the topic of discussion,” as the individual in question has proven time and time again.

    If I were to revert to “name-calling” I would have come up with some demeaning kind of name that might have invoked lack of focus or something along those lines, and just kept referring to that person by the made-up name, rather than his/her chosen screen name. But, I don’t stoop that low. I refer to people here by their screen name, or a shortened version such as yeb… which is not in the least derogatory.

    As far as intolerant people go, I think that the right-wing screeds on this blog alone prove my point thoroughly that right-leaning people here more often go off the deep-end in their nasty attacks than do the centrists of even the leftys combined.

    Haven’t seen your handle before on any of these blogs, so let me say “Welcome to the discussion!” I hope that you can maintain a bit more civility in your commentary than you have thus far displayed.

  125. yabetchya says:

    Give me a break Muck…. I have been on here for years, and yet you say you have no idea who Kardnos is.
    I also hope that you can maintain a bit more civility in your commentary than you have thus far displayed.

  126. You now established GB as a trusted source, according to Muck.

    Where, exactly, did muckibr cite Beck as a “trusted source”? What I see is a list of Republicans who have come out against Gingrich.

    I trust Coburn, Beck, Sununnu, et al when they say they don’t want Gingrich but that doesn’t equate to me accepting them as “trusted sources”. Any rational read of the post by muckibr leads one to come to that same conclusion about what he wrote.

  127. Thank you beerBoy! I really could not have written that explanation any better than if I had written it myself. But, since concern… is on my TBI list I wouldn’t have replied to him/her anyway.

    (Oh damn! Now somebody is going to claim that you and I are the same person using two different screen names. I apologize to you beerBoy, if that happens. They’ll probably accuse us both of being kardnos too!)

    Glenn Beck is not a “trusted source”. Glenn Beck is simply one of many many many Republicans who dislike Newt Gingrich as much as a lot of other non-Republicans do. That’s all I, or Jon Stewart for that matter, was saying.

    As to Jon Stewart! Lay off the criticism of Jon Stewart. He is well known to have more credibility and intelligence than the entire Rupert Murdoch empire, including Fox News!

  128. As to yabetcha…

    Honest to God, I DO NOT ever recall seeing your screen name on any posts since I started making comments here. I swear it on the stack of my six Bibles!

    I still am amazed at how paranoid some of you people are about this kardnos person. He or she must have really put you people in your places.

    I wish he or she would come back so I could see how good he/she really is. But I promise you, I am not, nor have I ever been – kardnos.

    Oh, wait a minute, I re-read your post yabetcha… Are YOU saying that YOU ARE KARDNOS? It sure looks that way, based on what you wrote:

    “…. I have been on here for years, and yet you say you have no idea who Kardnos is.”

    THE MYSTERY IS SOLVED, yabetcha is kardnos!!!

    YABETCHA is KARDNOS!!!

  129. aislander says:

    The only resemblance I see, mucki, between you and the late, VERY unlamented–but thoroughly lamentable–KARD is your common tendency toward serial lengthy posts: wallpaper, if you will.

    Your writing styles seem quite different, and unless KARD is much more talented than I think he is, I don’t think he could change gears so completely.

    The timing of your appearance and the character of your comments does remind me of a member who called herself LuckyCharm–not due to any stylistic similarity: there isn’t one–because of how well you both represent the Democrat electoral strategy prevalent at the time of your prominence here.

    Lucky was all brightness and energy, a perfect exemplar of the “hope and change” persona of the ’08 election. She stayed around through the push for Obamacare and then disappeared except for a couple of desultory re-appearances.

    The strategy for this cycle will be quite different. It will be nasty and personal, with the emphasis on discrediting and marginalizing any Obama opponent, while shamelessly stirring populist fervor. Welcome to the forum…

  130. yabetchya says:

    Me? kardnos,,, nope for one thing I did not ride the short bus to school, have a mentally disabled wife, drinking problem nor beat my children.I was never a porta potty concierge or a news paper delivery boy.
    One thing for sure is that the snail trail you are leaving on these threads sure says a whole lot about you.

  131. “Give me a break Muck…. I have been on here for years, and yet you say you have no idea who Kardnos is”

    Aside from paranoia, yabetcha has no idea who kardnos is.

  132. RW… are you sure? Because his/her comment is so close to an admission that he/she is kardnos, I just don’t see how one could interpret it any other way.

    yabetchya wrote: “…. I have been on here for years, and yet you say you have no idea who Kardnos is.”

    That’s almost like yabetchya just saying, “I am kardnos!”

    Or, are you saying yabetchya may be trying to take credit for kardnos’ previous works?

  133. aislander says:

    The whole deal with KARD was that he was unpleasant, off-point, wordy in the extreme, prone to using bold caps, and, when he lost an argument, would declare victory and show up in another thread. His propensity to post serially, combined with the enormous comments meant that any given thread was likely to be half KARD. He was such a distraction that a lot of people are just now beginning to get over him.

    Good thing there’s no one like that around now…

  134. I kinda miss when if you criticized the Big ‘O’ he would call you the “R” word. Half the post… between him, the cheerleaders and me, man did we blow a thread up…

    My apologies to you aislander for any stress thay may have caused you.

    Not to worry the election train is just getting warmed up and we will be turning over so many rocks looking for opposition treasure.

    To have him touch my life as he did… I am Tebowin’ right now in thanks.

  135. Sounds like a self description, aislander

  136. “He was such a distraction that a lot of people are just now beginning to get over him.”

    If this thread is any indication, a lot of people aren’t over kardnos.

    Amazing how people have no responsibility for their own behavior. kardnos is like the character Reminiscent of “The Family Circle”:

    In April 1975, Keane introduced an invisible gremlin named “Not Me,” who watches while the children try to shift blame for a misdeed by saying, “Not me.” Additional gremlins named “Ida Know” (in September 1975), “Nobody,” “O. Yeah!,” and “Just B. Cause” were introduced in later years.

  137. RW… The kardnos paranoia is surely evident on this and a bunch of other topics as you say. Some of these people were obviously clearly and severely traumatized by kardnos.

    I was really hoping we had found him in yabetchya. Given the way yab… worded that comment it seemed like he/she was clearly admitting to being kardnos.

    Well, back to the topic. What was it again? Oh yah!

    VOTE FOR NEWT!!!

  138. aislander says:

    No apologies required, qq. When I recognized it for what it was, it became just white noise (Oh no! Is that racist?)

  139. took14theteam says:

    LPH from Olympia, (banned from the paper down there) is a broken man. Goatee doesn’t quite fit with the hat. Muck… you should hang with him some time. You have a lot more in common than you realize….

    Did you ever sign up for the _______blog like he asked you to? I pop in every now and then, and I only see KARDNOS and some Anonymous loser posting stupid crap and trashing the Olympian. Muck… would fit right in…

  140. yabetchya says:

    “Give me a break Muck…. I have been on here for years, and yet you say you have no idea who Kardnos is”

    Aside from paranoia, yabetcha has no idea who kardnos is.

    Oh you, snail trail you. You just couldn’t lay low, could you. You are such a crafty lil person who has the mind of a Toy and the brain of sumone who lives in the world of the cricket.

    Only in your mind would you think that some one would pretend to be you. Sick, that is what it is.
    Oh, and by the way, that was not name calling. Going to cry now ?

    I noticed that your comments have been deleted…while calling me the LOOSER .. Kards… signed, the one an only yabetchya :)

  141. aislander says:

    Good to see you again, yabetchya…

  142. good to see the screen name again…

  143. beerBoy, did you get that last line, in caps no less

    “LOOSER” as opposed to TIGHTER. What the heck does that mean?

    He’s LOOSER than a loose wing-nut?

    LOOSE as a goose on a moose? Huh?

    What a LOSER!

  144. I remember referring to certain girls in high school as loose…perhaps “The Looser” is a reference to an overabundant promiscuity with facts?

  145. beerBoy, that was great! I literally laughed out loud when I read your “loose girl, loose facts” analogy. Brilliant!

  146. menopaws says:

    Newt’s premise is based on his perception of himself……..Newt excudes narcissism every time he talks……. he is in love with the sound of his own voice and just goes grander with that in his “vision” of America…….That vision includes Newt, like my young grandson, slaying dragons and a hero to all who behold him………Really????? Trust me, it’s all about HIM……..Even my grandson knows the difference between fantasy and reality—Newt and company don”t………

  147. menopaws, very nicely done, but may I try to boil it down just a bit?

    Gingrich is a dufas!

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