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Letter by Russ Shue, Graham on Dec. 2, 2011 at 5:20 pm with 38 Comments »
December 2, 2011 5:20 pm

I am an Air Force retiree who committed 22 years to proudly serving our country.

Recently I heard that President Obama is removing troops from Iraq. This is good and should have been done a long time ago. One story that isn’t being told is how a lot of these soldiers, sailors and airmen are being “fired” once they return.

Granted, there are a lot of people who would like to get out of the military, but there are a lot who would really like to stay in and aren’t given an option.

I understand our unemployment rate has dropped to under 9 percent. Well, starting next year, I’m sure this rate will increase with these military personnel “hitting the streets” with no employment.

Let’s help these troops and tell Congress to stop hurting our economy.

By the way, I truly hope our military recruiters are no longer promising people a retirement.

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  1. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    I understand our unemployment rate has dropped to under 9 percent. Well, starting next year, I’m sure this rate will increase with these military personnel “hitting the streets” with no employment.

    They’ll have to push the “seasonal employees” aside for room.

    Geez, when will people realize that the unemployment rate always falls in October/ November due to retailers (etc.) putting on extra help for the holidays load? And then there’s the usual elephant in the room; those discouraged unemployed who have dropped off the radar screen.

    Make no mistake, I really hope these number actually are positive. My business absolutely depends on a recovery – sooner the better. It’s just that we have seen this same crap for three years now – pardon my skepticism.

  2. Not to mention the data they report is “New File” or “First Time Filers”. A reduction in this number would only mean the bleeding has slowed, I think there are still millions still unemployed and running out of UE benifits. Maybe the Government should bail out people by giving every currently employed person 50 or older a million dollars to retire now opening up jobs for the younger people.

  3. ItalianSpring says:

    Obomba’s “jobless recovery” continues……..

  4. RW98512 says:

    Unemployment will not go down. It’s too good of a campaign tool for the conservatives.

    Continue to outsource labor needs to other countries and point the finger at the president. Then, when you unseat him, come up with another excuse as to why there are no jobs. When in doubt, blame organized labor.

  5. vox–
    “Still, unemployment rates remained relatively unchanged in most states. The national seasonally-adjusted unemployment rate is 9.0 percent.
    Unemployment rates dipped in Alabama, Michigan and Minnesota by 0.5 percent, the largest percentage decline. Five states recorded slight unemployment rate increases.
    The western portion of the U.S. recorded the highest regional unemployment for the month at 10.3 percent. Nevada’s unemployment rate of 13.4 percent remains the highest in the nation.
    Unemployment rates are lowest in the northeast at 8.1 percent.”
    copy-pasted from governing.com 22nov11

  6. obviously this was before the new numbers that show 8.6% unemployment

  7. The unemployment rate dropped below 9.0% because 120,000 jobs were created AND 315,000 people stopped looking for work. The “work force” contracted in size.

  8. LarryFine says:

    LOL… “campaign tool”. Kooky how after 6 years of democrats talking down the economy, and then 2 years after they took both houses, and then 2 more years with democrats controlling both houses AND the executive branch… we find ourselves in this situation… still.

  9. BlaineCGarver says:

    If You People are counting less than a percent as some sort of major victory for The BoBo gubment, you’re really scratching around for spilt seed. In every way, this country is deeper in a morass of misery that started nearly three years ago….Ask yourself if you’re better off than four years ago, and act on it. The dang stock market started to drop even before BoBo was sworn in.

  10. Hmmm Funny what happens when the naive, unthinking, “vote for the cool guy” American voters stick their necks out too far and hire some unqualified, untested, slick socialist bozo to run this country because he talks a good line of BS!

    Car lots are full of characters like this guy (I just cant bear to refer to him as President!) …… I would have thought the public was smarter.

  11. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Rw- businesses ‘outsource’ jobs overseas because manufacturing in the US is expensive and difficult. Companies exist to make a profit. Blame the govt, then stop auto-pulling the ‘D’ lever.

    And explain how conservatives would drive up unemployment. Make it harder to produce? Add layers of bureaucracy and regulation? Add taxes? Somebody is working on all of that for them already.

  12. beerBoy says:

    Newt’s solution is to repeal child-labor laws and then put adult janitors out of work….

  13. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    And 0bama’s solution is to dismantle the military while he continues wrecking the US economy in the “hope“ creating further government dependency, in order to hasten his dream of “change“ for America; creation of a third world Marxist socialist utopia. (This is sarcasm, mucky.)

    Hyperbole much today, bB? What is this, your nod to Kardy?

    At least you could use a smiley-face emoticon when you post something even you don’t believe.

  14. StrglngStdnt says:

    Thank the Tea Party Toddlers for this.

  15. RW98512 says:

    “Rw- businesses ‘outsource’ jobs overseas because manufacturing in the US is expensive and difficult.”

    Right. Because a Republican President along with a Republican house and senate made it inexpensive and handed businesses tax breaks for taking jobs overseas.

  16. RW98512 says:

    “And 0bama’s solution is to dismantle the military while he continues wrecking the US economy”

    It looks like Vox’s solution is to keep the tax money rolling at the military to keep them “employed”.

    Now who has the socialist solution? LOL

  17. larry5937 says:

    As a former combat veteran from a former war, I can tell you what will happen. Going to date myself here, but look back to the seventies. Troops come home, cut loose! Companies get tax breaks for hiring vets, Who are more disapplained and trained. The vets will be working where some others may not.

  18. RW98512 says:

    larry – as a Nam vet, you chould have been able to get the job back that you left.

  19. beerBoy says:

    Hyperbole much today, bB? What is this, your nod to Kardy?

    At least you could use a smiley-face emoticon when you post something even you don’t believe.

    A quick google search would save you a little egg on your smiley face:

    Eight days ago former House Speaker and GOP presidential candidate Newt Gingrich called child labor laws “stupid” and advocated firing school janitors and replacing them with children who would presumably work for lower wages. After those comments were made Gingrich took some criticism, and did not bring the issue up again until now. Today Gingrich once again brought up the subject, and backed off his previous proposal just a bit. Rather than making students full-fledged janitors Gingrich now proposes making them “assistant” janitors who would be relegated to minor duties like mopping the floors. Gingrich also said that students could be hired as clerical assistants and assistant librarians.

    Continue reading on Examiner.com Gingrich again proposes making children ‘assistant janitors’ at schools (Video) – National Political Buzz | Examiner.com http://www.examiner.com/political-buzz-in-national/gingrich-again-proposes-making-children-assistant-janitors-at-schools-video#ixzz1fbrPzXUi

  20. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Bb- please join the adults in this conversation. So he wants to reforms labor laws, to include apprentice and minimum wage regulations.

    That is a small part of his economic agenda, but gives you a fun talking point.

    I guess you prefer the current keynesian policies. They are working so well.

  21. NWflyfisher says:

    beerboy: You said “Newt’s solution is to repeal child-labor laws and then put adult janitors out of work….”

    Do you have a reference for that or is just more B.S. defamatory rhetoric from you?

  22. larry5937 says:

    RW, as a nam vet, for many of us the military was our first job.

  23. Fibonacci says:

    NWflyfisher
    Read the newpaper. Good old Newt was quoted as saying schools could save money by firing janitors and hiring students to clean the schools. Can’t blame bB for that one, it is all on Gingrich.

  24. beerBoy says:

    Do you have a reference for that

    Dec. 4, 2011 at 2:59 pm

    Try reading my post which quotes my reference and, if that isn’t enough, go to the link I provided.

    ct7 – where did you get your interpretation? Somewhere in “adult world”? Mind is cited and quoted
    former House Speaker and GOP presidential candidate Newt Gingrich called child labor laws “stupid” and advocated firing school janitors and replacing them with children who would presumably work for lower wages.
    Your line about adults reminds me of the Bush Administration claiming that they were adults while heaping scorn on the reality based community.

  25. beerBoy says:

    “Mine” not “mind”

  26. Real Kooky is the zombie base’s lack of knowledge on how things work in Congress, especially the senate.

    B-C-G – the Stock Market bombed before Obama was elected.

    Concerned –

    The first problem with making profits is that most American CEO’s only see in 90 day chucks, and are unable to look beyond the short term bottom line to do what will keep the companies profitable 10 or 20 years from now.

    The second problems is that the reagen/bush tax cuts is that it encourages profits leaving the company as personal income for CEO’s and as dividends for selected stock holders.

    “Reform labor laws” = Rpot real speak for lets return to laisser-faire / robber baron capitalism.

    PS: Labor department studies show that only about 3% of workers lost their jobs due to government regulation.

    Vox – deal in the truth much. I notice that the Rpot Clowns arelong on saying they will revitalize America but short on specifics –except to continue to cut taxes for big business and the rich.

    N-W-F – If you have not been following the Rpot debates/campaign blame yourself.

    So fire up your search engine and enter “repeal child labor laws” and “fire school janitors”.

  27. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Only 3%? That is acceptable? And a CEO’s main concern is profit.

    Bb- having a conversation about efficiency and labor laws is not a tragedy. What is a tragedy is the number of kids without jobs, not learning the life lessons of a first job until they are in their 20’s. Thank Nancy for jacking up min wage mid-recession.

  28. Wrong again Concerned – a CEO’s primary concern should be the long term overall good of their company.

  29. Newt’s sound machine has been busy mopping up his faux pas about child labor.

    I see he’s got some takers. Low hanging fruit.

  30. What is a tragedy is the number of kids without jobs, not learning the life lessons of a first job until they are in their 20′s

    I didn’t use the word “tragedy” but, since you mentioned it, I find it rather tragic that you seem to think that having children take adults’ jobs so that the children can learn how to work when they are adults (unless, of course, some children take their jobs) is a good thing.

    And, before you go there, I was delivering papers at age 6 to two blocks of a 6 block route that my 8 year old brother was given as a family “heirloom” from the elder siblings who had out-grown. Odd jobs included mowing lawns, shoveling snow, turning soil for neighbors’ garden plots. I detassled corn and was a car-hop/dish washer at age 14 and at age 16 took a job at a service station – I have worked since I was 6. I agree that children should work – but taking adult jobs away from adults so that we can reduce costs (which is exactly what Gingrich proposed) is child-abuse and destructive of the working class.

  31. What is tragic is the number of children living in poverty and/or homelessness because their parents can’t find work.

  32. beerBoy – on my list of “BTDT” –

    mowed lawns/garden work, picked beans, planted a 9 hole golf course, maintained same, sifted soil, tore down barn, lifeguard, painter’s apprentice.

    Today most of those jobs feed a family – poorly, but it’s an effort.

    Some of us are “BTDT”. Others are “NBANDFT”

  33. Oh, forgot the paper route

  34. note to the right side of the sandbox… when a lefty provides a search term such as “fire school janitors” be advised that articles are written using those exact words both in the article and in the metatags.

    Two things will happen, the search engines will find those specific articles and over time will move them up the results listings giving a false impression that the article is popular. It’s actually a spike caused by posters, trolls and the media to get you to use those exact terms. Don’t fall for it…

    Instead us the actual person and actual subject (not the perceived subject “repeal child labor laws) in question. The goal is to get to what the person actually said and the context in which it was said not a third person perception nor article treatment for the purpose of driving traffic and in turn money and influence to the site.

    just an FYI…

  35. Try “firing school janitors” and “Gingrich”

    Bingo!

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2016820922_newt22.html

    The search is only as good as the data input.

  36. only the Right Wing could turn research into a conspiracy.

  37. qq98411 says:

    no conspiracy… it is standard practice in marketing that is being adapted by all sides of the political spectrum to manipulate search engine algorithms to find their specific site.

    Second – your premise… ‘firing school janitors’ that is a characterization of the article writer. It does make for good, eye catching headlines and rhetorical summaries.

    Third – search terms, I can use my own to find the information I need as close to the source as possible.

    No conspiracy, just standard marketing techniques adapted to the political environment.

  38. RW98512 says:

    BOO!

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