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DEBT: National political system is broken

Letter by Harvey Bell, Tacoma on Nov. 22, 2011 at 11:04 am with 61 Comments »
November 22, 2011 11:04 am

The national political system is failing. We need decisions from Congress, not political stances. The Democrats and Republicans are contributing to the current ruination of our economy by adhering to party politics.

Congress and the individual members need to focus on what they can do to benefit our country. Instead, Congress’ accomplishment this month is to declare pizza a vegetable.

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  1. President Obama, with his relentless negative personal attacks on conservatives, has made normal political discourse virtually impossible. His followers get whipped up into such a hateful frenzy that even otherwise intelligent people get caught up in the hatred. Look at Robinson’s column today, read the headline, and that’s where we’re at in America. The narrative, fully supported by the TNT, is that conservatives are stupid, and are in the way of any “progress”. Never mind that Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid is not even allowing many House bills to even be debated, let alone voted on. Never mind that the leftist wing of the Democrat Party relies on inner city riff raff and voter fraud for their election victories, the middle class conservatives out here in the suburbs are the stupid ones.

    There is a well known photo of Obama teach Saul Alinsky, standing next to a blackboard. For those not familiar with Alinsky, read “Rules for Radicals”. For these leftists, they’re not interested in negotiating, they’re not interested in compromise, or working with people of other political philosophies, they’re only interested in their way, and they see their agenda as a war against conservatives. This is why politics are where they are. It’s become very chic to blame both parties, because leftists know that the majority of media sites will then pound on conservatives as being the major roadblock to getting anything done.

    Remember, conservatives, these people truly are not interested in compromise, and it’s time to point out these radical anti-American leftists for what they are. Obama and his ilk would gladly cause the destruction of the USA to achieve their goal. Don’t doubt it.

  2. There is a certain amount of irony in the statement “President Obama, with his relentless negative personal attacks on conservatives” that then goes on a relentless attack of Barack Obama, complete with the Alinsky reference which is about as dependable as the reference to all OWS supporters as “unbathed hippies”

    Remember “Kenya”, “birth certificate”, “bare arms”, “touched the Queen”, “flag lapel pin” and a repetitive, incantatory recital of “socialist”, “Maoist”, “Fascist”, “Communist” and the likes.

    While I’ll admit that President Obama is playing hardball – finally – at least it’s about policy, legislation and the lack thereof.

    I’m heading to my bomb shelter now because I know that the Soviet Union is going to attack sooner or later. Michele Bachmann said so.

  3. Nice try homes, but cherry picking comments from obscure or unknown sources isn’t exactly the same as coming from the president, or high ranking members of congress, or virtually every prog commentator / writer. FAIL

  4. sandblower says:

    “…..relentless personal attacks on conservatives…..” Care to give us examples that even approach those coming from the extreme right?

  5. Care to give us examples of relentless personal attacks coming from mainstream sources on the extreme right?

  6. I’ll assume you are directing that to me, since we are the only two that have commented. I’m not sure what “homes” is.

    Are you claiming that all of the above comments made limitless times over a course of close to four years were all “obscure and unknown sources”? If so, I’m going to suggest your computer is broken. Donald Trump, for openers, the former leader of the Republican primary race for President is the primary source of the “birth certificate” foolishness, along with Orly Taitz, who never saw a media camera she didn’t like.

    I’d go further, because if you take into consideration the other issues, expecially the ones concerning Mrs Obama, then I could practically list the entire Republican Congressional representation.

    Sorry, you look silly.

  7. My guess is that this is what you are seeking:

    Holmes – Gangster slang. What you would call a good friend, a stranger, or even mockery against an adversary.

  8. Relentless attacks from the mainstream media on the extreme right?

    Interesting question. Who is the “mainstream media” and who is “the extreme right”?

    Since Fox has such huge cume numbers, according to their promo, I’d say they are mainstream. To my knowledge, they’ve never attacked the right at all. Now if the “extreme right” is a militia group intended on killing police, Fox may have addressed that, I’m not really sure.

  9. Dave98373 says:

    Harvey- I agree with you that the system is broken. But we as voters are also to blame. Too many voters elect (and re-elect) career politicians based on personal political ideology, not on performance. Until voters wake up and look at candidates beyond party lines we will continue to face gridlock.

  10. yabetchya says:

    RW98512… like to bring up Orly Taitz, sounds very familiar. Maybe it is because of the zip code. One must be down wind of the other.

  11. RW: “Holmes – Gangster slang. What you would call a good friend, a stranger, or even mockery against an adversary.”

    Now, that’s what you get when you look up “gangster slang” in a redneck dictionary. :)

    Wanna be my “homey”? Are would you rather be my “Holmesy”? Haha, yer killin me, man! It comes from “home”, as in, “yer my home boy”, not from the name, like Sherlock Holmes.

    Know your enemy, man, and don’t step out like a cabbage. :)

  12. Okay RW, let’s have some examples of Fox News’ relentless personal attacks on liberals.

  13. lanq, according to the Urban Dictionary Online (a place for slang colloquialisms) the “l” is silent

  14. From “newshounds” –

    “Hannity’s feigned disbelief about “Why didn’t they just show it and get it over with” instead of “drag(ging) it on forever” is even more disingenuous. Or else inexcusably ignorant. If Hannity didn’t know that President Obama’s birth certificate had been produced, carefully examined and authenticated by two different professional fact-checking organizations – in 2008, when the issue first became prominent – he should resign immediately.”

    I suppose you could say that Hannity isn’t Fox, but that would be equally silly.

  15. I think sandblower asked you a question, lanq.

  16. jjohnson67 says:

    Ianq is either really ignorant (now before you get your feathers all up, the definition of ignorant is “uneducated”. No other definition is intended)or he’s a plant by the TNT just to stir things up.

    No one with half a brain could really believe the stuff he’s posting.

  17. sandblower says:

    jjohnson67, you nailed it!

  18. scooter6139 says:

    My personal favorite is the new poll from Fairleigh Dickinson University that concludes “Sunday morning news shows do the most to help people learn about current events, while some outlets, especially Fox News, lead people to be even less informed than those who say they don’t watch any news at all.” http://publicmind.fdu.edu/2011/knowless/

    Got to love it. Watch Fox News and you are more uninformed than those who don’t watch any type of news program at all. Just by reading some posts on this board make this point even more obvious.

  19. I do have reservations about those that use “holmes (aka homes)” or “dude” when discussing political philosophies.

    I could just imagine the outrage if Barack Obama said “holmes, those dudes on the right side of my chill zone are harshin’ my vibe”. The Harvard grad would probably require a teleprompter to lower his dialog level to that grade.

  20. LarryFine says:

    Well one thing is for sure… they sure could dish it but now that their fella is on the receiving end they are a bunch of “whine makers” … in a kard_nick sorta way.
    LOL… he pretty much needs a prompter everytime he speaks. Have you heard him off the prompter?

  21. SadujTogracse says:

    Meanwhile Michelle Obama is trying to rally votes at NASCAR events now! LOL, sorry Michelle you will have to go to an OWS event if you want to scoop up some low information voters for your husband!

  22. Michelle Obama went to the Nascar race because it was known that she would be boo’ed. It’s a given. Now she/they think that they can point out how those ignorant rednecks, you know, the same people that they scorn and mock as clinging to their guns and bibles, are racist in addition to stupid. It’s all calculated, friends.

  23. lanq – according to Fox, who might be suspect in their accuracy:

    HOMESTEAD, Fla – First Lady Michelle Obama and Jill Biden received a mixed welcome to NASCAR’s season-ending Ford 400 Sunday, where they served as grand marshals to help raise awareness for their “Joining Forces” initiative, which supports military families.

    Scattered boos could be heard from the crowd as Obama and Biden were introduced and invited to give the traditional command, “Gentlemen, start your engines.”

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/11/20/michelle-obama-and-jill-biden-get-mixed-welcome-at-nascar-season-finale/#ixzz1eTqVzdqt

    If you are correct in your claim that “it’s all calculated”, is NASCAR a part of a liberal conspiracy to take Barack Obama and ultimately Saul Alinsky’s socialist message to millions of racing fans? I seriously doubt that Mrs Obama and Biden, just walked in on the event and took over. Guesses are that they were invited.

    Wait. You are on to something. It WAS planned. NASCAR, who is in the pocket of the Republican flavor of the week (Newt?”) planned to have Mrs Obama and Biden booed to demonstrate to Americans that everyone watches NASCAR and the entire country hates the VP’s wife and the First Lady.

    Then again, it could be the same group of yokels that booed a war veteran.

  24. lanq – I think your first post was more credible than your thoughts on the First Lady. We’ll see what the other commenters think.

  25. SadujTogracse says:

    Yep, it’s sad that many on the left felt the need to boo and say all those negative things about John McCain.

    Yeah, the real reason Michelle was there was for a military initiative (eyeroll). “RW” must be one of those who thinks Gregoire’s proposed “temporary” tax increase will really only be temporary!

  26. RW, neither Nascar nor Fox Sports is going to say no. Think, don’t react.

  27. lanq – so NASCAR and Fox Sports are in on the conspiracy?

    Maybe NASCAR would be wise to say “Mrs. Obama, we think there will be a disgraceful response to your presense and we want to avoid controversy”. Oh wait. I get it, so you think that Obama’s campaign would take that to the people and the people would think it’s a bad thing for NASCAR to worry about disgraceful behavior at one of their events. The only solution is for NASCAR fans to act with a modicum amount of decorum when the President’s wife is among them. They just can’t win, can they?

    Brilliant move by the President’s re-election committee, because NASCAR fans acted predictably boorish. They should have included the gay military veteran to really get the house revved up.

    I’m certain that this whole incident had nothing to do with poor manners and the right amount of alcohol.

  28. SadujTogracse says:

    Funny how some get their panties in a wad over a few people booing. Happens to any high profile person at any number of events. What’s curious is why the media focuses on this non-issue so much.

  29. Saduj, no worries about the nascar thing, RW knows what it is, and wants to divert the discussion to the minutia of a leftist political play.

    There are a few things that cannot be disputed:

    1) Obama taught Alinsky radicalism to leftist activists

    2) Alinsky’s teachings instructs radical activists to divert and attack the integrity of their opponents rather than engage in honest discussion

    3) Alinsky’s own words, “A People’s Organization is dedicated to an eternal war”, and, “War is not an intellectual debate, and in the war against social evils there are no rules of fair play”

    We can therefore deduce with one hundred percent reliability that Obama is a radical leftist who is not interested in compromise, and will lie and happily engage in dishonest character assassination to achieve his goals. Just look at virtually every prominent Republican, whom his minions and most news media label as stupid. Even earlier in this thread, some guy announced that I was ignorant, simply for pointing out Obama’s link to Alinsky radicalism. Pathetic.

    But this is how these people think. They don’t care for honest debate or even the truth. Any means of achieving their agenda of leftist anti-capitalism is fair play, and they think nothing of lying. Know who they are, and don’t give them the benefit of the doubt. They will not afford you the same courtesy.

  30. took14theteam says:

    Hey Ralph Waldo, say Hi to Kard and his wife/booking agent NickDix. ;-)

    Keep it up and the only people you will be responding to here is yourself.

  31. Lang – to borrow a phrase from the movie “Little Big Man” you are a perfect inverse barometer of the truth.

    When you were in school did a teacher teach Communism to you?
    Was that teacher a Communist?

    Alinsky’s theory is widely used by conservatives and others of all political leanings.

    The only party that won’t compromise is the Rpots who are willing to destroy our country if it helps them make Obama a one term President.

  32. x, the modern radical left embraces Alinsky’s teachings, have since the 1970’s, to a degree more so than conservatives that the comparison is ridiculous, at best. Also, show me where I brought up communism. Sorry bub, epic FAIL.

  33. took14theteam says:

    It seems to me the Dasses are trying to destroy the country to make BHO a 2 term president.

    Buck up and admit you guys elected a loser with no leadership skills. Or someone purposely acting that way to further his agenda. Either way, America is losing.

  34. Lanq – the perfect inverse barometer says “radical left embraces Alinsky’s teachings more than conservatives” which means the Conservatives use AT much more than the left/progressives.

    I used communism as an example. Which went sailed over your head.

    “Epic Fail” = Lang got hosted on his own petard.

    Took14 – you are even more wrong than Lang.

  35. lanq, congratulations. You have gone in a complete circle and back.

  36. Sorry, RW, while I understand your philosophy better than you do, and understand why you say what you say, dishonesty can’t be forgiven, and so I don’t forgive your lies.

    And back to earlier in this section, where you mentioned the “irony” in my reference to relentless personal attacks by the left, inferring that this occurs more so from the right, complete with typical straw men whines about communism and birth certificates.. An obvious diversion, but I asked you then, show me from where in the mainstream right do we get relentless personal attacks. You failed.

    Now how about Obama’s former paster, Reverent Jeremiah Wright. The man is an anti-American racist far left radical, preaching black liberation theology, more a Marxist political philosophy pushing “social justice” than a religion. Obama & clan sat in his church for years listening to this hateful esohbee. Why do you think that is? Also, isn’t it cool that Wright is now retired to a country club mansion in an exclusive community, courtesy of the suckers that dumped money in his dish? Obama described him as a mentor. Go figure. :)

  37. NickDixson says:

    Alinsky. Wright. Where’s Ayers?

    The Republicans are back to the same old same old.

    Probably need to invoke a few more “dirty hippies” to really make a point.

  38. NickDixson says:

    quick, someone haul out the birth certificate issue.

  39. nd: “Alinsky. Wright. Where’s Ayers?

    The Republicans are back to the same old same old.”

    And the thought of Obama’s past actually being used in this election cycle just scares the living —- out of the progs. By the way, what do you suppose are in his college writings that he doesn’t want you to see? I’ll bet you the Clinton’s know. :)

  40. nd: “quick, someone haul out the birth certificate issue.”

    Quick, someone throw out a red herring! Quick, someone divert attention! Stop it homes, yer killin’ me!

    (That would be “holmes” for my holmes boy, RW. He’s my holmesy, you know ) haha!

  41. LarryFine says:

    Nick with an “s”… LMAO…

    “We’ll see what the other commenters think.” LMAO again… ohhhh the irony. The pattern is complete… and it’s still wallpaper.

  42. NickDixson says:

    Went fishing, caught some herring – Alinsky, Wright

    Divert attention – no credible GOP candidate can lead the pack for more than a week – divert attention – recycling Newt as long as the rubes will buy the BS about “historian” – divert attention.

  43. took14theteam says:

    Shouldn’t you be booking a gig, wife/booking agent?

    I hope when I am old I have better things to do than this and wait for the Obama death panels.

  44. took14theteam says:

    You know, I really am surprised the KARDNOS name lasted as long as it did.

  45. sandblower says:

    Someone who knows nothing about Black history can easily disparage Rev. Wright. Someone who does know about Black history and still disparages Rev. Wright is dishonest.
    Is that you lang?

  46. lanq – do you remember the old fable about Brer Rabbit?

    “Whatever you do, don’t throw me in that briar patch”

    How did the demonization of Obama work in 2008? Landslide.

  47. So, Sandblow, following your logic, anyone who knows anything about white history should not disparage the Aryan Nation? Stop is cuz, yer killin’ me! Oh, and your comment has thus been rated: EPIC FAIL.

    Oh, and did you mean that Obama’s dishonest? He dumped Wright like last night’s bong water, didn’t he? With friends like that, you don’t need enemies, do you? But then, leftists take pride in not living by any standard of conduct, it’s what make rule # 4 so effective, no? :)

  48. bobcat1a says:

    “Instead, Congress’ accomplishment this month is to declare pizza a vegetable.”

    Well Harvey, that is an outright LIE. Your inner Fox is showing.

  49. Hey bob, that’s exactly what they did. Of course, we all know that they were talking about tomato paste, but the tomato paste classification is all about the pizza, now isn’t it? Sort of like how leftist liars have created this notion of “death panels”, perhaps? Using far, far weaker arguments, of course.

  50. bobcat1a says:

    Why not say tomato paste if that’s what you mean. Was Harvey trying to hide his meaning or just stir up righteously ignorant anger? And is there a problem with tomato paste being a vegetable? That’s what it is and it compares favorably nutritionally with other vegetables.
    You seem to forget that “death panels” was a RIGHTIST notion, or are you calling Sarah Palin a leftist?

  51. Harvey – excellent post. Note the screams from the tidy righties.

    Lang – the inverse barometer.
    Hopefully the right is stupid enough to try to use Obama’s past in the upcoming election.

    Tomato paste (like ketchup) are GOP vegetables – both were proposed by Republican controlled House of Representatives.

    Took14 – ‘Obama death panels’ are alive and well, working full time in the FEMA reeducation camps in Area 51, where the camps are patrolled by black helicopters using alien technology.

  52. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    And is there a problem with tomato paste being a vegetable?

    Well, yes… given its main ingredient and namesake is a fruit.


    That’s what it is and it compares favorably nutritionally with other vegetables.


  53. Vox_clamantis_in_deserto says:

    Got to love it. Watch Fox News and you are more uninformed than those who don’t watch any type of news program at all.

    Funny how you neglected to mention their similar findings for msnbc.

    … when respondents were asked whether the Occupy Wall Street protesters were predominantly Democrats or Republicans… MSNBC… viewers performed below average, but MSNBC viewers ranked lowest on that question. They were 11 percent more likely than people who didn’t follow the news to misidentify the protesters as Republicans… LMAO!!!

    Hey, I can play that game too!

  54. the3rdpigshouse says:

    If the marxist/socialist “OH-Bummer” is reelected, I predict the revolution to reinstall the founding documents and rid ourselves of the socialist democrats will commence within 2 years!

  55. commoncents says:

    Not sure why people blame the left for Obama getting elected. The Republicans have only themselves to blame. There were plenty of people like myself that considered McCain a better candidate than Obama and would have voted that way except for his choice as a VP running mate. Had he been 10 years younger I would have considered her the Dan Quayle replique and not have thought twice about voting for him.

  56. cc: “.. would have voted that way except for his choice as a VP running mate”

    Please. You couldn’t accept Palin, and infer that you voted for Obama because of that. You’re either trying to sound like a centrist, but aren’t and are lying, or you’re really, really, ignorant. We knew more about Palin within hours of McCain’s announcement than we still know about Obama. You’re saying you’re willing to accept a complete unknown, rather than risk McCain dropping dead, even though you liked him better. Save it for your gullible friends.

  57. To really figure out if a tomato is a fruit or vegetable, you need to know what makes a fruit a fruit, and a vegetable a vegetable. The big question to ask is, DOES IT HAVE SEEDS? If the answer is yes, then technically, (botanically) you have a FRUIT. This, of course, makes your tomato a fruit. It also makes cucumbers, squash, green beans and walnuts all fruits as well. Along with the fruit from a plant or tree, we can often eat the leaves (lettuce,) stems (celery,) roots (carrots,) and flowers (broccoli.) Many of these other parts of the plant are typically referred to as VEGETABLES. Now don’t go looking for tomatoes next to the oranges in your grocery stores; fruits like tomatoes and green beans are usually (alas, incorrectly) referred to as “vegetables” in most grocery stores and cookbooks.


    Now we have the botanical along with the Oxford dictionary. Maybe we can get back to the subject of the forum.

  58. “We knew more about Palin within hours of McCain’s announcement than we still know about Obama.”

    Possibly the key reason why Palin wasn’t a palatable candidate. I could be the only one thinking this, but parading your pregnant teen daughter around the American stage isn’t a way of telling voters your life is in order and you are ready to take on the highest office in the land. Later came the exposure of Palin in the debates.

  59. RW: “Possibly the key reason why Palin wasn’t a palatable candidate”

    Wow, who’d have thunk that RW doesn’t think Palin was a palatable candidate??

    Now, do you purport to speak for conservatives, or independents leaning to the right? Are you saying that, had she been “palatable” to you, you would have considered voting for McCain? If so, you’re lying, since there are no conservatives “palatable” to left wing radicals such as yourself, and if not, (which is the case here) why did you even bother to comment, why bother to pretend that there are reasons other than your hatred of conservatives driving your opinion of Palin?

  60. took14theteam says:


  61. LarryFine says:

    What a joke TNT.

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