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PROTESTS: Gerson dismisses movement’s root causes

Letter by Don D. Johnson, University Place on Nov. 10, 2011 at 11:44 am with 26 Comments »
November 10, 2011 12:41 pm

Re: “Radicalism discredits Occupy movement’s message” (Michael Gerson column, 11-8).

Gerson’s criticism of the Occupy movement is a flagrant and sustained case of the classic ad hominem logical fallacy. He paints the protesters as a ragtag menagerie of hooligans/ideological misfits and thereby dismisses their message and the problems that have spawned it without addressing either.

I sympathize with the movement because I want my country back – back from those who have inordinate power and who profit excessively while the majority of Americans fall further and further behind, back to the traditional American values of equal opportunity, reward for hard work and equity in our shared struggle for the common good.

 

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  1. blakeshouse says:

    Plenty of socialist countries out their that would welcome you with open arms. Just don’t expect AMERICANS to do much more than show you the door after we help you pack comrade

  2. old_benjamin says:

    Herman Cain rose from humble beginnings to become the CEO of a successful national corporation. Thus, he is a threat to the leftist narrative: that malevolent forces in America are arrayed against the common man, especially the black common man. The protestors have two choices: bitch and moan and blame “the system” or do what Cain did, get an education, work hard, and reap the rewards offered in this country as in no other. It’much easier to gripe than it is to work. Thus, the protest movement. The one percent is not the successful. It’s the whiners who expect the government to be their mama. We need only look to Greece, Spain, Ireland and Portugal to see where the nanny state leads. Preferably, take a look at Herman Cain and see where he wants to lead. He’s the quintessential American success story.

  3. SwordofPerseus says:

    Dear Blake,

    What would you say about person in the US who makes billions of dollars a year and only pays 0.4% taxes on that income? Fair or not?

    http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2011/05/tax_man.html

    How about a person who pays no income tax on $5.1 billion in income, but get this, receives a $3.1 billion in tax benefits (read refund)?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/25/business/economy/25tax.html?pagewanted=all

    Just for comparison the last time I payed my taxes it was about 13% in adjusted gross income of less than $43,000, not counting all the taxes like sales, excise, etc…

    That is just one example of why you are clueless as to what the occupy movement is really about.

    I could continue with more but I don’t have time to school everyone, Read the links for yourself.

    Ben; I won’t even bother with your ignorant comments.

  4. stumpy567 says:

    Hey Sword,
    These are Corporations not people. How do you think they were able to pay lower taxes?
    If you want to place blame look no further than government.
    Many of the loopholes that allowed them to pay less are “Green” Tax credits. I don’t mean money here either. Why do you think Warren Buffet’s holding company has so many shares of G.E. ?
    But wait, He was complaining that he did’nt pay enough in taxes.

  5. stumpy567 says:

    Don,

    Lets penalize those who prosper.
    It will, no doubt, inspire those who have less to have more.
    Make sense? Of course not.

  6. o_b

    The reason why I reject Herman Cain is that his ideas are simplistic and simple-minded. He does not demonstrate that he has any real understanding of economics.

    Furthermore, his response to the sexual harassment charges changed about every 15 minutes until he, and his supporters latched onto his petulant “End of story” response followed by the pathetic attempt to call this a racist attack. He is definitely not the guy I want in charge during the Cuban Missile Crisis.

    That has nothing to do with race. He has no elective office experience. As a former president of the board of a regional Fed – he is part of the problem, not the solution. And he does not display the temperment to deal with crises.

  7. harleyrider1 says:

    Why would the “leaders” of this movement deposit their payroll of $20,000 into Wells Fargo one day and lead the minions to deface the bank and intimidate customers?

    Makes one wonder what is really behind this so called I hate banks protest?

    http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/55914-hypocritic-occupy-oakland-deposits-20000-in-wells-fargo-bank

    http://www.thedailyeconomist.com/2011/10/some-protesters-being-paid-to-attend.html

  8. old_benjamin says:

    I didn’t present Herman Cain as a viable presidential candidate, only as an example of what one who comes from humble origins can do in this country. Whatever his character failings may be, he made money. Isn’t that what all the ruckus is about?

  9. Preferably, take a look at Herman Cain and see where he wants to lead. He’s the quintessential American success story.

    Bill Clinton rose from humble origins….funny how that quintessential American success story so often leads to abuses of power for sexual gratification….

  10. old_benjamin says:

    Sword, you need to see your local blade sharpener. Your edge is decidedly dull, as is your wit.

  11. old_benjamin says:

    Only those who have power can abuse it. The average schlump who hits on someone has no power and is less likely to be accused of harassment. We hear about the failings of the celebrity–the average guy not so much.

  12. concernedtacoma7 says:

    BB- you state he has no experience with the economy then write “As a former president of the board of a regional Fed”. Ummm….

    So BHO has economic experience? Yes, but look at the results over the last 3 years! And of course he zero experience, leadership, economic, political, before taking office. You voted for him in 2008 to prove you were not a racist, vote for someone else in 2012 to prove you are not an idiot.

    For the record I do not like Cain, but jumping on the sexual harrassment bandwagon is pathetic.

  13. concernedtacoma7 says:

    Sword- pull your head out the sand (or your tent) and do some research before you copy and paste a one liner from a partisan rag.

    Look at total taxes paid by XOM. At the end of the day it does not really matter what you call it or where it falls on their tax documents, they pay a ton of taxes (and as an industry, the second highest average rate).

    http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/01/27/corporate-taxes-more-winners-and-losers/

  14. Stumpy,
    Thanks to the activist Supreme Court, under the leadership of Chief Jester Roberts, have declared corporations are persons.
    Most loopholes and tax cuts are not “Green Tax Credits”.

    Harley,
    I wonder who is so stupid as to believe the tripe contained in the articles.

  15. old_benjamin says:

    xring, corporations have been persons for a long time. The Supremes did nothing to change that. The facts are only a few keysrokes away. Go for it.

  16. xring – you are off by two centuries. you need the work, go forth and google.

  17. xring – again with the wrong info. dude, get some help…

    The recent Supreme Court case made no determination. That was done centuries ago… you might even say twice. This was an affirmation, no declaration was made.

    Loopholes and Tax Cuts – xring what is a Tax Credit? Is it not a return of the taxes paid for engaging in an IRS approved endevour? It also appears one has to jump through a hoop or two to get a tax credit, does one not?

  18. BB- you state he has no experience with the economy then write “As a former president of the board of a regional Fed”. Ummm….

    No….what I wrote was:
    “He does not demonstrate that he has any real understanding of economics.”

    Experience doesn’t necessarily lead to real understanding – look at the current FED chair.

  19. concernedtacoma7 says:

    And what understanding does BHO have? Whatever Krugman tells him?

  20. Never said Obama was a prize.

  21. concernedtacoma7 says:

    So, in terms of economic achievement, Perry, Cain, Romney, or BHO?

  22. none of the above

  23. Old-ben and xx98 – corporations were afforded the same legal protections as people in such areas as contracts and torts,stock holders could not be sued or otherwise held accountable for the actions of the corporations,; and corportions were not allowed to make donations directly to canidates.

    A tax credit is a reduction in the amount of tax owed and may on occasion result in a tax return.
    Sometimes jumping loopholes are required. Other times it is a simple as hiring some one or buy certain equipment.

    bB – unless and until there is a viable third party candidate, I’m sticking with Obama.
    If for no other reason to keep Perry, Cain, Romney, or any other teap otter out.

  24. LarryFine says:

    What “message” Don ?

  25. xring – again have a supervisor check your work before posting… we already know what a corporation is… it appears you still don’t, get some help.

    Again we know what a tax credit is…

    maybe this board is not for you… have you considered… Detroit maybe…

  26. teap otter

    Actually googled that – now I get it.

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